From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #111 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, July 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 111 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni are you out there? [catman ] The upcoming Joni tribute album [Jason Long ] Stormy Weather - CD [MP123A321@aol.com] STAS - vinyl..more geeky info [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark, & Joan The Bitch [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@] Re: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark, & Joan The Bitch [Ginamu@aol.com] Autobiography [davidc ] Re: Toronto, Central Park, Names [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark, & Larry Fights Back [Jason Maloney ] blue [MHart16164@aol.com] Live at the Second Fret [Frances Liccione ] Re: Live at the Second Fret ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] response to fawning. [Ladygrammy@aol.com] Shipping to Europe; the agelessness of music ["Catherine McKay" ] STAS vinyl variations [Martin Giles ] Re: Clouds lyrics question ["P. Henry" ] Joni's Standards [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] NPR Joni For Tape Trees ["P. Henry" ] Re: UK Joni Party? [pyramus ] Joni's Jazz [Wally Breese ] Re: Joni's Standards [Jerry Notaro ] Today in Joni History - July 10 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - July 9 [Today in Joni History ] Joni's Jazz again [Wally Breese ] Re: UK Joni Party? [Jason Maloney ] Re: Joni's Jazz [TerryM2442@aol.com] Painting with Words & Music [Heather Galli ] Re: Painting with Words & Music [Jason Maloney ] Re: UK Joni Party? [catman ] Re: Joni's Jazz ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:44:36 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni are you out there? Dear Joan-that was very well(and politely!) put! Besides far worse than smoking is living right on top of that fault! IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Jenny, > Do I tell you how to live your life? > At least not intentionally. > So let me enjoy mine however I want. > > Love, > Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 04:23:14 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: The upcoming Joni tribute album It seems like it's been a while since anything has been said about the tribute album that Reprise was going to be releasing. Has anyone heard anything further about it, such as a potential release date? This project has been in the works for so long now that I'm really surprised it hasn't already seen the light of day. If anyone's heard any news on the album, could you please post it to the list? Thanks, Jase NP: PJ Harvey, _To Bring You My Love_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:22:10 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Stormy Weather - CD A recent post by Michael....... << For those of you who do not want to pay $19 for the Stormy Weather CD everyone who asked me for the address and phone # of the wonderful lady at ATT who supplied me mine, has received their copies. >> Michael, This cd is still on of my list of favorites and I play it regularly. You are doing a great service to the list. After losing nearly 12 different bids on this cd, someone out of the blue ( if it was a jmdler...thanks) contacted me and gave me a phone # to call for a free one. I indeed got mine for free three days later. To all that haven't heard it, you won't be dissappointed. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:58:20 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: STAS - vinyl..more geeky info Thanks to all the responders to my call for vinyl info. Here is the stats on my STAS: Stock copy has a W7 Reprise label and W7 logo on cover......trail off info (matrix #) Part 1: T 30753 RS6293A - 1B Part 2: T 30754 RS6293B - 1B I am currently compiling info about U.S. vinyl releases by Joni. This is limited to her first venture on the Reprise label. Both LP and 45's - promo and stock. The LP info is pretty basic. The 45 list is more complete info than any U.S. price guides, and I will gladly send a e-mail copy to anyone. If this interests you or you have info to add, contact me. take care, Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:13:04 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark, & Joan The Bitch Michael sics the dogs: <> Michael, just recently I got a copy of an interview Joni did with Tony Hale in London to promote DED. Like all her interviews, this one is very insightful. She plays "Three Great Stimulants" on acoustic and it's really nice (similar to the unplugged version on the NPR Tape Tree version). She also plays "Impossible Dreamer" on solo piano and it's also much nicer than on the record. I think Klein is to blame more than Dolby. Joni was so smitten with him at this point that she let him take much more control than he should have had. He wrote the music for a couple of the tracks on the record, he solicited Thomas Dolby, he wanted to experiment with voice manipulations, sampling, all that electronic goop that just doesn't ring true on a Joni record. I'm also guessing that it was his idea to get all the "guests" that appear on Joni's 80's work in an attempt to make her more marketable (Lionel Ritchie, Billy Idol, Willie Nelson). Heck, he probably talked her into getting that bad "curly perm"! It seems to me that the songs that "work" on DED are the ones she wrote that feature a minimum of studio "wizardry". (No offense to those synthesizer fans out there, you know who you are...:~D) Another neat feature of this interview is that they talk about the piano in Paprika Plains and Tony asks her to play some of those chord figures. Joni hesitates, then starts this impromptu piano chording and you can almost feel her composing process at work as she re-creates the piano part of Paprika Plains. These 90 or so seconds are probably the closest I'll ever get to hearing PP live... Bob, anxiously awaiting for the "DED Demos" to hear these songs before they were enhanced... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:41:06 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark, & Joan The Bitch In a message dated 7/9/99 8:23:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com writes: > Heck, he probably talked her into getting that > bad "curly perm" I've always disliked that curly do of hers and I would relish an opportunity to pin (no pun intended) the blame on someone else for it but I don't think we can blame poor Larry for *that* little transgression. She had those raving curls during the Shadows and Light tour also. 7/8/99 11:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlhall01@snet.net writes: << Does anyone else in this room secretly hope that Joni is one of us in disguise, just pretending to be an everyday person? >> Yikes! I sure hope not! Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:56:23 +0100 From: davidc Subject: Autobiography Hello all, I'm new to the list, so forgive me if the subject of a Joni autobiography has already been covered. An autobiography was listed as available on Amazon and Barnes & Noble as recently as last Monday. I placed an order and was told it is now not available. Has Joni actually written one? If she has, when will it be published? David Clancy London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:05:03 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Toronto, Central Park, Names Bounced Message wrote: > Glad to hear from all who attended the concert in Central Park. It must > have been really fun to watch Joni being an audience member rather than on > stage. I was sad to hear that she didn't participate in the encore, but > that's our Joan for ya. Just to make it clear, she was very, very gracious about it all. She was practically pushed to the microphone and y'all know how she is about being rehearsed and everything being perfect (it's called professional.) She did some great improvising and scatting. She remarked, "Can't I do a standard?" Come on, Joni. Help Me IS a standard. Jerry np: JM - Sydney, Australia (1983, I think) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark, & Larry Fights Back - --- Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com wrote: > I think Klein is to blame more than > Dolby. Joni was so smitten with him at this point that she let him take much more control than he should have had he wanted to experiment with voice manipulations, sampling, all that > electronic goop to get all those "guests" probably talked her into getting that bad "curly perm"! Oh this is really just too much! Now I'm not only the sleazy electronic robot boyfriend, I'm a bad hairdresser to boot! So once again, I'm forced to try and cry the thunder and set the record straight. Okay, first of all, Joni's like a kid in a candy store, and when she saw the Fairlight CMI, she just went nuts! I mean she sampled her CAT into the thing for crying out loud! I assure you she needed no help from me in getting hooked on the synth -- it just so happened that Tom Dolby was one of the only guys around at the time who had figured out the damned thing. Believe me, I tried to get Peter Gabriel and/or Trevor Horn to do the programming, but they weren't available. Second -- goop? electronic goop? I'd really appreciate it if you'd use the proper terminology ... "sound reinforcement." Say what you will, but this had been sorely lacking on Joni's albums up to that point. If you want "goop", listen to that horrendous Prophet 5 fuzzing about on "Shadows and Light" on HOSL ... or that plinkety-plink hammer dulcimer nonsense on "Blue", christ, to this day that's nails on the chalkboard in my ears. We were going for texture on DED -- okay? Texture, and that's as varied a commodity on Joni albums as anything else, so what's to be typical? You want typical, go buy a Jewel CD -- you'll probably like it, I turned the project down. As for the guest appearances, I had just about as much to do with that as I did the keyboard work. Pure and simple, Joni takes in strays ... and when word of the project got out, people just started dropping in. Well she couldn't let them leave since they were so close by ... she's said this herself many times. If I could control who stopped by and when, I'd be something more than a bass player and producer, now wouldn't I? As for the bad perm -- I cannot tell a lie. It's not what I wanted, but I did send her to Vidal Sasoon -- what can I say, he came highly recommended. Even I make mistakes. Thanks for your time and attention. Larry Klein (alias Don Rowe) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:17:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Autobiography David, another UK newbie, says: <> Welcome, David! The UK picks up another member! Last I heard here that book was scheduled for release sometime in December 99...I think... Bob in South Carolina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:14:52 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Barking Mad? Michael wrote : > While I love certain songs on here like Three Great > Stimulants and Ethiopia. This album has always disturbed me > from the perspective of her guitar playing. It is non existent. > She is not even credited as a guitar player (not that Landau is > a slouch I love him, but it is sorely lacking here playing) and > I wonder why she doesn't play o this record. A few of the piano > tracks on the record sound like her, but for the most part it > sounds like she is a side man on her own project Uh-oh....time to call in the pro-DED gang again ;-) Don??? DON?????? > Could this have been the EVIL Thomas Dolby's influence or her > lack of drive for the project. The "EVIL" Thomas D?..... hahaha I like that, even though I am a great admirer of his work - both as a producer and occasional recording artist. I would agree that of all her albums, DED and CMIARS are the ones where Joni is perhaps not as "centre-stage" in the creative process or the finished article. As Bob has pointed out, there was most likely an attempt by either (or all of) Geffen, Klein and maybe even Joni herself (who knows?) to increase her "marketability" via more contemporary (at the time) production and "special guest appearances". It was the mid-80s, after all, and pretty much all her peers (or those still close enough to the mainstream, at least) were doing the same to some extent (Landing On Water, anyone?). Although I would happily concede that Hejira and HOSL are superior albums, there will always be a case for DED's qualities to be brought kicking and screaming into the spotlight. It's a record firmly rooted in the 80s, sure - but then to a "child of the eighties" like myself, Blue or Court & Spark are, you know, just sooo 70s..... ;-) I think a lot of the problems Joni fans who discovered and treasured her earlier work at the time (or soon after the fact) have with DED is due to the huge sonic (and lyrical) chasm between it and the 60s/70s albums. 1985 was MTV, brash commercialisation, Live Aid, Synth Pop and all that other good stuff we all try to forget to remember :-) The defining record that year (also due to the "ground-breaking" video) was probably Money For Nothing by Dire Straits. Beefy, chunky keyboards, technologically-enhanced drums and guitars, MTV-referencing lyrics, and the all-important SGA (special guest appearance) by Sting. All it lacked was Phil Collins producing :-) Anyhow, what I'm trying to say is that in the grand context of things DED might have surprised/alienated many of Joni's long-term admirers, but if put alongside the likes of Don Henley's Building The Perfect Beast, Neil Young's aforementioned Landing On Water, and a myriad of other releases from the period (Starship, Jackson Browne, Robert Plant), it certainly emerges the most favourably IMO. DED - and Good Friends in particular - was my Joni baptism, and for that reason the album will always be as special to me as STAS, Blue or Hejira are to some of you good folk on here. Even so, I too would be very intruiged to hear how the songs originally sounded with just Joni and no "interior decorating" :-) A thought occurred to me the other day, which resurfaced as I wrote this. I was listening to The Bridge I Burned, one of the "new" tracks on Elvis Costello's 1997 compilation of his Warner years - "Extreme Honey". It completely blew me away, with its use of modern "trip-hoppy" beats, fragmented chords and disjointed-but-tuneful melodies. It just sounded so fresh allied to Costello's distinctive vocals, a voice which I'd grown accustomed to hearing in other suroundings. The sense of "This is bloody incredible! Why didn't he do this before!" was overwhelming. Which brings me to my last point.... :-) STAS, LOTC etc, were very much of their time...superior and more lasting, admittedly. The same for Blue, C&S, FTR....think of the finest examples from the period of that style, and those might well spring to mind. Indeed, you could work through Joni's entire output up to and including DED in this way. The Costello track instantly led to me wondering why Joni has shown no sign of embracing the same kind of ingredients into her current work. That's not to say she has a DUTY to, or even that her latest music is poorer as a result. She has an innate sense of rhythm and structure, both with sound and words, that would surely lend itself very favourably to what is the "contemporary" style right now. Personally, the idea of such a combination between Joni and current technology/production/song construction, is endlessly appealing. However, I suppose the prospect of it happening are slim in the extreme, now that she appears to have found her own happy niche. Perhaps after she has "freed" herself through the expression of covering a selection of standards? "Dream on, dreamer..." :-) Woof Woof! ;-) Jason. > I'd have to say this record > comes in dead last on my list (which means nothing cause seeing > how I bought it again, I will probably listen to it more and > discover something wonderful). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:20:11 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark, & Larry Fights Back > Oh this is really just too much! Now I'm not only the > sleazy electronic robot boyfriend, I'm a bad > hairdresser to boot! So once again, I'm forced to try > and cry the thunder and set the record straight. > Thanks for your time and attention. > > Larry Klein > (alias Don Rowe) ROTFLMAO!!!! Oh Don...this is absolutely PRICELESS!!! :-)))) I just knew you wouldn't take this one lying down! I laughed so hard, how do you come up with this stuff? JMDL Hall Of Fame status for this, or it's a C90 of electronic goop for the lot of you! ;o) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:12:24 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni are you out there? Not at all. > In a message dated 7/8/99 11:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jlhall01@snet.net writes: > > << Does anyone else in this room secretly hope that Joni is one of us in > disguise, just pretending to be an everyday person? I do. And I hope > that she gets this message...PLEASE QUIT SMOKING!!!!It is bad for your > beautiful voice and it will remove you from us early, and as you can > see, we CANNOT live without you, Joni! > Love, > Jenny- >> ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:22:11 EDT From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: blue Last night after an incredibly tough day at the office, I went home and listened to Blue. "My Old Man" and the sweet chords of her piano resounded right down to my soul. I miss the piano from Joni's menu. I still love the menu, but GOD that piano sounded good. Michele ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 99 08:31:44 PDT From: Frances Liccione Subject: Live at the Second Fret I am so excited! Tomorrow I am going to pick up my double CD of live Joni Mitchell '66-'68. This CD is a 34 track collection of her performance(s) at the Second Fret in Philadelphia. Some of the songs are "Eastern Rain, Brandy Eyes, Mr. Blue, Born To Take The Highway, Little Green, The Gallery, Sisotowbell Lane, Marcy, Carnival In Kennorra, Come To The Sunshine, and more. Has anyone ever heard of this performance and/or these songs? I am so curious I'm bursting! I will play it (many times, I'm sure) over the weekend and give my feedback Monday morning! Frances ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:47:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Live at the Second Fret They are all part of an early tape tree courtesy of simon. Jerry On 9 Jul 1999, Frances Liccione wrote: > I am so excited! Tomorrow I am going to pick up my double CD of live Joni > Mitchell '66-'68. This CD is a 34 track collection of her performance(s) at > the Second Fret in Philadelphia. Some of the songs are "Eastern Rain, Brandy > Eyes, Mr. Blue, Born To Take The Highway, Little Green, The Gallery, > Sisotowbell Lane, Marcy, Carnival In Kennorra, Come To The Sunshine, and more. > Has anyone ever heard of this performance and/or these songs? I am so > curious I'm bursting! I will play it (many times, I'm sure) over the weekend > and give my feedback Monday morning! > > Frances > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:47:21 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Steeleye Stan (VLJC) I join with all the others who have praised Steeleye Span. They're certainly a significant part of why I play the music I do. Maddie Pryor's Carnival Band recordings are great, too. A Cajun version of "Angels We Have Heard on High"? - Killer! Another big Steeleye fan (and Joni fan, of course) was Stan Rogers, whose friends called him (amongst other things!) Steeleye Stan. There is a hilarious parody of Stan's "Barrett's Privateers" called "Garnet's Home-made Beer" by Ian Robb in which Steeleye Stan makes an appearance: (excerpt) Now Steeleye Stan was a frightening man, (How I wish I'd never tried it now!) He was eight foot tall and four foot wide, Said "Pass the jug or I'll tan your hide!" CHORUS God damn them all! I was told, This beer was worth it's weight in gold, We'd feel no pain, shed no tears. But it's a foolish man who shows no fear, At the last of Garnet's Home made beer... Stan took one sip and pitched on his side, (How I wish I'd never tried it now!) Garnet was smashed with a gut full of dregs, And his breathe set fire to both me legs... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:05:30 EDT From: Ladygrammy@aol.com Subject: response to fawning. I was blown away by the response I received to my first posting. Thank you so much for your welcome. I love the discussions that I witness about Joni's songs. I wonder what she would say if she knew people dive in there so deeply. I bet she wrote the songs out of a sheer desire to create a place for her intense feelings about life and music. I would love to know more about all of these festivals that seem to be happening where you all gather. Also if there is music that can be bought that is not released in record stores bring on the info so that I may share in the music. To answer some of the questions, I have worked with 15 grammy winners. I am getting my songs cut alot but have not won the coveted grammy yet but I know that I will cause I never give up! Looking forward to hearing more about all of you. By the way does anyone know if Joni is aware of this group? Take care. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:35:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Shipping to Europe; the agelessness of music To all those in Europe, it appears that CD Now ships to Europe and that they do, in fact, have a distribution centre in Europe. i was unable, in my brief trip through their site, to determine whether they will also ship to Australia and so on, but definitely they do ship to a lot of countries in Europe (as well as to Canada and the US) They have a whole lot of things that I thought were out of print. I know it's difficult here in Canada to get a lot of things you can get in the US which probably relates to the fact that our population is only one-tenth of the US's and therefore it's assumed the audience is not there. Hence my allegiance to web-shopping for such things. And yes - they do have Steeleye Span and Maddy Prior (including the Christmas one). I do believe they have everything because I've checked for the availability of things I thought were long gone and lo and behold - dey gots 'em! To Bob who was raised on Oscar and Hammerstein, the lyrics of some of those songs are just so great. Here's one from the Sound of Music that I don't think was in the movie (unless I fell asleep at that point!). This is sung by Captain von Trapp, his at-that-time fiancee who, for the purposes of this exercise shall be called Elsa, since I don't remember her real name, as well as Uncle Max (or whatever the other fella's name was). (My Dad had a lot of O&H stuff too, most of which were the original broadway casts, not the movie bunch.: Here's the intro to the song, sung by Elsa and Max as they try to convince Der Kapitan to join the Nazis: (Max & Elsa) >You dear, attractive, dewy-eyed idealist, >Today you have to learn to be a realist. >You may be set on doing deeds of derring-do >But, up against a shark, what can a herring do? >Be wise. Compromise. >Compromise and be wise. >Let them think you're on their side. Be non-committal. (Captain vT) >I will not bow my head to the men I despise (Max & Elsa) >You don't have to bow your head. >Just stoop a little. Jaysus, they don't write them like that anymore! Also, Bob, your comments that >it's dangerous to try and find a dividing line or cutoff... You're darn right. Music is ageless and timeless. A good tune is a good tune, and good lyrics live on. As a kid, I thought I'd never be caught dead listening to Benny Goodman and Ella Fitzgerald, and yet, there they are in my collection, along with Joni and jazz and classical and especially a whole bunch of classical guitar. To Marcel deste (On Furry"), bravo! Very well done. I guffawed greatly while enjoying your wisdom. Jeez, guys, let's not over-analyze here. To paraphrase Sigmund Freud (I think it was he): "Sometimes a song is just a song." I agree that Joni's lyrics are most often deep and can be read on a multitude of levels (and that's why we love her so!!!) but if you've ever written any kind of poetry, and I bet a lot of you have, I don't think the great poets necessarily sit there plotting what adjective they're going to use so some psycho-linguist can analyze every word to death (Did anyone ever take French and have to do "analyse de texte", something the French seem to do more than the English? Holy jeez, talk about sucking the life out of a thing! After a class of that, I was ready to jump off a bridge!) Don't take me too seriously, eh? this is just my opinion. The fact that it happens to be the only opinion that counts (Bwa-ha-ha!!!) needn't enter into the equation. To resume the K-Mart, Walmart thread, and perhaps, again, because as a Canadian, we have only 1/10 the population of the US, I've always found these stores to be singularly bereft of anything outside the Top 10 and a whole bunch of Country and western (not that there's anything wrong with that, but they're often of the "Greatest Hits" variety or cheap ripoff versions.) Try CDNow. Now. (No, I don't work for them.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:49:02 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: Shipping to Europe; the agelessness of music <<>> That is the truth, my dear. I've always found that strange. I grew up in Maine, and thought that was unique to there, but have since learned that its the same all over...peculiar. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 18:07:52 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: UK Joni party Kryss wrote.. Yep. Include me in! We need to find out how many we are and where. I'm in Sudbury, Middlesex, don't mind travelling though.... Sounds great. Who's up for it? Kryss=1 Me=2......... Martin. (Normally mlg@ukonline.co.uk, except for this week). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:43:34 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: STAS vinyl variations It's not only the state of the source tapes and the manufacturing that can affect the sound, but crucially, what happened in the cut. One option is to cut the tape 'flat', i.e. to make no alterations in the sound of the tape. Alternatively, a cutting engineer may be able to improve the overall sound in a number of ways. (If he's not very good, he can make things worse.) Then, there is the way that the cutting lathe is set up for the cut. The 'pitch' of the groove spiral can be adjusted from course to fine, and this makes a difference to how much space the music takes up on the record, leaving more, or less 'run-out' at the end. As the playback quality of a record gets markedly worse as you approach the center of the disc, it sometimes makes sense to keep the pitch fine, and so avoid the center as much as possible. In order to bunch the music up however, it may be necessary to make some compromise to the sound of the music, for instance turn the volume of the cut down, or narrow the stereo image, or 'roll off' some of the bass frequencies, or a combination of these. The cutting engineer has to weigh up all the pros and cons to arrive at the best solution. Two different cutting engineers, two different solutions. Hence the different look and sound or your two versions of STAS for instance. By the way, I'm not a nerd, (really), I'm a cutting engineer! Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:17:44 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Clouds lyrics question From: CaTGirl627@aol.com >In the songbook *Joni Mitchell Complete Vol. 1* it says.....Braiding fall flowers and leaves in my hair. AND, In the songbook * The Music of Joni Mitchell* from 1969, it says: Braiding fall flowers and leaves in my hair...> btw, does anyone else wonder if there even *are* such things as 'fall flowers'?!?!? pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:24:36 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Joni's Standards Jerry <> I don't want to come off like a JMDL-cop or anything, but I've always considered a "Standard" to be a song that's been recorded by lots of different folks over a number of years. "My Funny Valentine", "Somewhere Over The Rainbow", "Yesterday" would be standards. Who else has recorded Help Me? Great tune, but Joni's only Standards in my book are "Circle Game", "Big Yellow Taxi"(maybe), "Both Sides Now"(for sure). Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:10:48 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: NPR Joni For Tape Trees Pat wrote: >"I didn't think of this until just now but if the 585 people on this list all went out and scoured their local NPR outlets, between us we might be able to come up with quite a bit of non-commercial, live Joni Mitchell just perfect for a tape tree!"> and then Michael responded: >Pat- I am on it in New Orleans and will report back to the list. How should we inquire about the programs specifically? Where does World Cafe originate?> gee mike, I aplologize for not replying until now... I only get the digest and I'm so far behind right now due to moving and such, don't know if I'll ever catch up. I didn't even see this post until just now! npr local radio here carries world cafe every afternoon and the only thing I know of it's origin point is the URL I included..: http://www.xpn.org/sections/world_cafe.html the world of fundraising is an odd thing compared to the commercially oriented world we're all used to... if you walk into the local npr station dressed rather nicely and project an attitude of positive support for their 'cause', they might just hand you a stack of cd's... another approach might be to make an appointment with the station manager and hope he's a Joni fan and inform him about jmdl and Wally's site and especially the tape trees and just be bluntly honest with him that through mutual contribution he might single handedly up the listenership by a few hundred and at the same time spread the good things npr has done with Joni in the past to some very appreciative people... be creative... it would really be worth it to lock down every 60 minute or so interview/live jam of Joni they've ever had! I've already tried the centralized approach and came up empty handed, as I said, but then I'm nobody... perhaps if les and wally approached them... or if wally could get some help from Joni's 'people', in fact *they* may even have these performances on file! I don't know, but when I think of the laid back format of world cafe... talk for a while... play a song live... play another... probably 6/7 over the last 9 years... what a collection that would be! *S* pat NP: FTR http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:05:34 +0100 From: pyramus Subject: Re: UK Joni Party? Krys wrote: <> - Hi Krys, it was me. Just a random thought really. << I just wondered, if this came to fruition, where it might be held? Somewhere central (Woodstock near Oxford maybe!)>> - Great idea. Count me in wherever it is. << Maybe things are getting a bit late for arranging a Jonifest this Summer.>> - Possibly. We are now getting into holiday season. << I am far from being the most knowledgeable or long-standing Joni fan, but her music means so much to me and I am sure it would be wonderful for a bunch of us to get together and, who knows, develop some good friendships as well as have fun! >> - Well said. I think we should open this meeting up to any euro JMDLers as well, people like Winfried in Germany and Tube in Rome. Even if they can't make it, it would be nice to invite them. Maybe it's a bit late for this year to have a big event. Perhaps planning for next year would give people more scope to arrange their time (and finances). Having said that, there is no reason why we shouldn't all have an informal get-together in the near future, even if it is only for a few hours. Perhaps a day out in London, Oxford or wherever. That's just my thoughts. I would be glad to hear what others reckon. Kevin NP - Empty Chairs - Don Mclean. "Although you said you'd go, until you did I never thought you would." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 99 11:22:38 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Joni's Jazz Hi everybody, I've received a few e-mail messages with addendums to the "Joni's Jazz" concert two weeks ago: the first is from the event's creator and producer, Danny Kapilian, the next from band member and arranger, Jerome Harris, and the third is from a fan who got to speak to Joni after the event. Enjoy! Later, Wally - ------- Wally, An unbelievable night in every way. Your reporter was accurate. The rains stopped only minutes before showtime, pushing me to chainsmoke so intensely I'm sure I was keeping pace with Joni herself. Absolutely everything not only went according to the original vision, but far exceeded it. The very fact that the show ended up being played TO Joni was beyond anything I could have imagined. And the gig was, with the quirks inherent in a huge, complex live gig, flawless. I've never been so high from a successful project before, and I can't imagine topping this, but I will. I wish you'd been there. Thanks for all of your support. I hope all of the JMDL'ers had the night of their lives. Best Wishes, Danny Kapilian - -------------- Wally: Here's some small addenda re: Patrick Leader's excellent report (and your site's other notes) on last Thursday's "Joni's Jazz" concert in Manhattan's Central Park : - --Several artists and bandmembers originally slated to perform couldn't make it. Cellist Jane Scarpantoni and percussionist Don Alias each had serious work conflicts; Holly Cole was to have sung "Raised On Robbery" and "Blue Motel Room", but developed laryngitis; also, stormy weather interfered with her flights from Canada for rehearsal (backing vocalist Sheryl Wheeler took on "Raised On Robbery"; Erin Hamilton filled in on "Blue Motel Room". - --The little wind instrument Doug Weiselman played on "Amelia" (and on "Furry Sings The Blues", if I remember correctly) is known as an "Eb clarinet" (pitched a perfect fourth higher than the standard Bb clarinet), not "soprano clarinet". Finally, a few personal observations. I'll mention the on-and-off heavy rain all that afternoon, which created an emotional roller-coaster ride for performers and crew after all the hard preparatory work ("will we play today or go to the rain-date? Will we have a crowd?"); the presence of an ample, enthusiastic, umbrella-equipped audience was heartening. There were some amusingly irrelevant introductory remarks from New York City's Parks Commissioner, and it being Canada Day) some wittier comments from Canada's Consul-General. Finally, from my perspective as guitarist and preparer of most of the written music for the rhythm section, the feeling of electricity onstage was palpable throughout the entire concert, as the uniqueness and scope of the event unfurled (and the riskiness--due to the production's many logistical and scheduling challenges, we never had actually run the entire show! It was dress rehearsal, debut and final performance all at once). When else would we get to delve so deeply into such a chunk of Joni's work? When else would we work with such a wide variety of artists (Chaka Khan, Eric Anderson, Jane Siberry sharing the same stage, singing one artist's material)? When else would any of us get to play (in several senses) *for* Joni Mitchell? As a song not performed that night says, "Impossible...impossible dreamer"; sometimes the impossible occurs. Much, much praise and thanks to the featured artists, my bandmates, and to musical director Vernon Reid and producer Danny Kapilian for envisioning, conceiving and manifesting this event--and, of course, to Joni Mitchell, bringer of music "of heart and mind" that dwells at the core of so many of us. Jerome Harris - -------------- Hey Wally, it's me again. The concert was a mixed bag. My hair did curl, but for different reasons (Jane Siberry). It really had a homeboy 'street' kind of feel to it. Toshi Reagon was unbelievable, as was Chaka (more on her later). I was right up front and Joni was in view the whole time; just a member of the audience. The band was great. ; But all this pales to what happened after. I waited by the stage exit (this was all outdoors) to see if I could say Hi when she left. I started talking to the guard and after about 20 minutes he said I could go back if I wanted to. I said Huh! He said oh sure. So, I did. There was obviously a party going on. The first people I saw were Duncan Sheik and Chaka. I slid onto a corner picnic table and looked around. Joni was up on a sort of porch (there were two trailers for the buildings) sitting at a table under an awning with some people (the everpresent ciggy). I waited, had a beer and people began to leave. After awhile it was only about 15 people and the crew. I looked over and Joni was sitting there all alone; could you imagine. Allright, now or never. I got up walked over and introduced myself. I mentioned the website and she said Oh yeah have a seat. AHHHHHH! Well the deal is I sat with her for the next hour and just talked and talked. She mentioned the site and I said you said hello (I'm sure you don't mind) and she genuinely wanted to know how you are doing. We talked about how great the site is; she obviously is very appreciative. I then brought up the fact that I heard she is going to be a grandmother again. She gave me this look and half screamed it happened! Apparently that day. No wonder she was in such a good mood. I talked about some of her lyrics; got into a discussion about Picasso, had some munchies, then Chaka came by and sat down across from me and said Joni lets go, I found a great club (she's an original and the one who really did justice to the songs). Well I walked her out to the car, (just the two of us) gave her a hug and said goodbye. The thing is, is that even when we were walking out she was only focused on me (or so it seems in my overloaded mind). She never let the conversation go dead. She was interested in everything I said and I was interested in everything she said. It really was like sitting down with an old friend. She even remembered we had met outside David Letterman last year and had had a conversation. Oh well, I'm still absorbing the whole thing (was I dreaming?). Arghh! I think not. Just wanted to let you know. I hope your feeling okay. Be well. Chris D. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:21:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's Standards Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > I don't want to come off like a JMDL-cop or anything, but I've > always considered a "Standard" to be a song that's been > recorded by lots of different folks over a number of > years. "My Funny Valentine", "Somewhere Over The > Rainbow", "Yesterday" would be standards. Who else has > recorded Help Me? Great tune, but Joni's only Standards > in my book are "Circle Game", "Big Yellow Taxi"(maybe), > "Both Sides Now"(for sure). It is a standard in her repertoire, and her biggest selling single. And for most who are unfamiliar with her music it is most identified with her even though recorded over 26 years ago. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:10:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 10 1983: Joni performs at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:06:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 9 1983: Joni performs at the Palace Theater in Columbus, Ohio - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 99 11:50:53 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Joni's Jazz again Hello, I forgot to mention in my previous post that I've put up scans of the programs from "Joni's Jazz," along with the written addendums, on the JM.COM newspage. Have a look: http://www.jonimitchell.com/upcoming2.html Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:59:01 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: UK Joni Party? Hi Kevin, Krys, Martin et al..... I'm in Berkshire, and would love to meet up with some of you folks before the summer is through. I've only ever been to Oxford once (a couple of months back), and I occasionally make it into central london. My only provison is that it's somwhere with easy access for possible wheelchair, or else plenty of seats and no stairs :-) So, what'll it be then? Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:52:54 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz Wally, Wow, what a bonus. Thanks for sharing those fab letters. My one question is: What did Joni say about Picasso? Where's this guy, Chris..I gotta find him. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:07:28 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Painting with Words & Music I got my Painting With Words & Music video today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Heather (I'll catch up sooner or later :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:19:22 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Painting with Words & Music Heather Galli wrote: > > I got my Painting With Words & Music video today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Heather (I'll catch up sooner or later :-) Oh, don't worry about that....I just discovered Hejira for the first time earlier this year ;-) BTW, you're in for such a treat! I couldn't wait to watch mine when I got it earlier this year. Wonderful, simply wonderful...and that's just the setting :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:17:33 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: UK Joni Party? I'd be very happy to have people over at my house in March, Cambridgeshire. There is a train station here for anyone that doesn't drive. Have hifi and all joni's stuff on cd. For those petrified of cats, they can be shut away and dogs can be penned. Large 18ftx11ft ktichen. Week day or weekend not a problem. colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:45:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz Terry wrote: > Wow, what a bonus. Thanks for sharing those fab letters. My one question is: > What did Joni say about Picasso? Where's this guy, Chris..I gotta find > him. I'm with Terry on every point! Where do we find him/her for more debriefing? ;-) Also wanted to share that Patrick's excellent report was cross-posted to the CSN list. It doesn't appear that anyone on that list attended the concert, but it has seemed to spur several great personal recollections of Joni's Miles of Aisles concert at Wembley in 1974! Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #111 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?