From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #109 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 8 1999 Volume 01 : Number 109 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: vh1 Vote (SJC) ["Lisa Peakes" ] Tube back from holiday in USA (Some JC) ["Tube" ] Re: Song to a Seagull [Ashara@aol.com] Some Lost Goodies [James Leahy ] I fell in with some jimdlers... [lisa durfee ] Re: Furry Sings the Blues (long) [Jerry Notaro ] Newbie [JaneneO@mji.com] Re: Joni's Jazz [Heather Galli ] Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote [Steve Dulson ] Re: Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote [Don Rowe ] Re: setlists [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] B. Mitchell Reed [Steve Dulson ] Furry Sings the Blues [Steve Dulson ] Re: Furry Sings the Blues (even longer!) [Don Rowe ] JC only people? ["Mark Domyancich" ] Re: JC only people? [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Newbie [Jason Maloney ] Re: JC only people? ["Mark Domyancich" ] RE: Newbie [JaneneO@mji.com] Re: B. Mitchell Reed ["Kakki" ] Re: B. Mitchell Reed [Steve Dulson ] Stormy Weather CDs [Randy Remote ] Re: Some Lost Goodies [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Re: Song to a Seagull [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: joni dress-ups [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jazz ["Lisa Peakes" ] Re: vh1 Vote [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Camels? [Ginamu@aol.com] RE: Furry Sings the Blues ["patrick leader" ] Re: Stormy Weather CDs and the generation gap [Phyliss Ward ] JJ photos [Deb Messling ] Re: Stormy Weather CDs and the generation gap (LJC) [Deb Messling ] Re: Amelia ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Amelia ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: STAS - vinyl variations [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: STAS - vinyl variations ["Kakki" ] Re: Amelia [CaTGirl627@aol.com] joy askew/summerstage (VLJC) [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 04:46:21 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: Re: vh1 Vote (SJC) << Be sure to vote for JM at VH1.com, 100 greatest women of rock. they also have some info on Joni>> This was fun! The Joni segment has tons o' links - surprising ones - the word "overambitious" (describing some of Joni's projects) has a link to a website about Napoleon - the word "materialism" (in regard to a song on "Blue") has a link to PBS and their definition of the life-crippling disease "affluenza" - what a fresh website - lots of fun and some mental stimulation, too. And I cast my vote for Joni, of course! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:41:28 +0200 From: "Tube" Subject: Tube back from holiday in USA (Some JC) >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:14:41 -0300 >From: "Wally Kairuz" >Subject: baked big apple njc >Is it true that today's temperature in ny was 110?!?!? >wallyk Well hi guys - Coincidentally I just got to back to Rome a couple of days ago after a long holiday in your wonderful US of A. I'd been a couple of times before (to Manhattan) in previous years, but on this occasion we only spent a day in NYC before traveling to upstate New York, where it was A LOT cooler by all accounts. So this was almost my first time exploring 'real' America, and not just the City. Interesting to note that you can walk into an everyday shop like KMart or Walmart and buy a brand new shotgun for $119, which is, like, nothing. To raise an old chestnut, no wonder you guys have gun problems. My brother in law who we stayed with goes out and always leaves the house door unlocked though - He says everyone does - trespassers are simply shot aparantly, so nobody bothers with break-ins. Anyway, enough of that - We did it to death a few weeks ago, right? I would have bought Taming The Tiger, as your American CD's are so cheap compared with European prices (like half the price!). Unfortunately I have to report that KMart in Sidney NY carried not one single Joni Mitchell CD. Pretty disgusting huh? So I had to content myself with 'Experience Hendrix (The best of...)' No worries though - When I was eleven years old back in '69, 'Voodoo Chile' absolutely blew my mind, but I didn't have a record player then - So it's taken me exactly 30 years to finally get around to owning my own hallowed copy of this record, along with nineteen other bitchin' tracks. Let me tell you, the wait was worth it though! And the best part of my holiday in America? - Simply watching and listening to the non-stop freight train blasting through the village of Sidney ten times a day - It sounds just like the one on Pet Sounds, which always makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up on end (in a nice sense). One day, I layed in wait at the railway crossing for an hour to photograph it in glorious black and white, a la O. Winston Link. Hope it comes out okay, but you never know with photos do you? - Even when you have an hour to set up the shot for a once-only chance at it. (I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to photos but not so much of a perfectionist that I was gonna wait ANOTHER hour in the baking midday heat for another crack at it when the next train came through - One hour of waiting was quite enough thank-you-very-much: Heck, I WAS supposed to be on holiday after all!) It was fun though, although not a very Joni-oriented pursuit, I'll admit. Oh and the other thing that blew my mind was the typical streets that seemed to come straight out of Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks. For a Brit raised on imported US TV shows, it was all very surreal. I always kept a sharp look-out for severed ears on the grass behind the white picket fences, or drunken, murderous screams thinly masked by the hissing of summer lawns. Just for kicks, on returning to NYC at end of our stay upstate I also walked into a police station in Brooklyn just to see if it was anything like NYPD Blue or Hill Street Blues - And it was!! Oh yeah, almost forgot - My brother in law (who we stayed with) has an old Yellow Cab he bought second-hand as a private vehicle. He works funny hours too, so many times, late at night I'd hear the screen door slam and a big yellow taxi would take away my wife's sister's old man. Also while I was there I (rather unsucessfully) attempted a custom spray job on an old school bus my brother in law had recently bought. I was rushed for time to finish it before flying back to Rome, so found myself working late into the night on it, working by the street-lights out the front of the house. Wouldn't you know it, I found myself singing 'Underneath the Streetlight' as I worked! Love, Tube ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:35:52 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Mark, my long lost twin, said of Song to a Seagull: << It speaks to a part of my soul that has stayed intact and pure during the 20 some odd years that have intervened since I first heard it. >> THANK YOU, Mark for saying this! I feel the exact same way, but it was over "30" years ago when I first heard this album. I sometimes get sad when people on the list talk about Joni's early work with distaste, not because I am not tolerant of what they have to say, but because her early work is so much part of my heart and soul, and one of the reasons my connection to music and singing is so strong. I feel that with this single sentence, someone really understands how I feel. THEN.....Mark says: <> My "OTHER" absolutely FAVORITE group!!!! I also discovered them in the late 60's, and was listening to this FANTASTIC group while everyone else was listening to The Stones, The Beatles, Jimi Hendricks, etc. I would be "constantly" be asked, "WHAT" are you LISTENING TO??????" Then I would tell them, and the reply was ALWAYS, "Oh, you mean Steely Dan!!!" "No, I mean S-T-E-E-L-E-Y-E S-P-A-N!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I have their complete discography, which is extensive, and love it all! Hugs, Ashara {Who now can't decide whether to go put on STAS or Hark the Village Wait!} decisions.....decisions.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 07:51:43 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Some Lost Goodies There are a few Joni appearances that recall seeing/hearing when they were first broadcast, but I've never seen them on anyone's collection list. Item #1: I believe Joni was on the Dick Cavett Show in early 1968. I recall she sang That Song about the Midway. Does anyone recall seeing this? Or was I just dreaming? Item #2: Joni was interviewed by Malka on the CBC in the summer of 1979 to promote the Mingus project. The program lasted two hours and consisted of conversation plus tracks from Joni's albums. I recall hearing Joni saying that on Mingus she could play guitar better than any man! My attempts to track this down faltered when CBC told me that Malka owned the copyright to the show and the CBC couldn't make me a copy. Did any of you (older) Canadian fans tape this when it was first aired? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:28:21 -0400 From: lisa durfee Subject: I fell in with some jimdlers... Hi friends yet another liså (durfee) here coming out of lurkdome to say what an amazing time I had at the JonisJazz show last week. Big Thanks to Danny Kapilian for putting the event together with so much love and dedication; and getting the gods to hold off the rains for all us lucky ones. All the great details of the show have been scooped here already; I just wanted to say that Meeting so many of you (Patrick Jerry Brian Barbara Michael Steve etc etc) was really special to me, not to mention seeing Joni sing live for the first time in almost 25 years. Probably Like many of you, I spent all of the 80s and early 90s convinced I was the only person left buying Jonis records. I knew I had to be wrong, but before finding this list I just had never met anyone who's passion for her music came close to, or actually surpassed my own. Most of you fall into that category, and I love keeping company with you, even if it's mostly in cyberspace, and even if I'm just lurking. "A strange boy is weaving a course of grace and havoc on a yellow surfboard, through midnight sidewalk traffic"- Jane Siberrys alternate lyrics on "Strange Boy" Last week... liså D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:55:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Furry Sings the Blues (long) Bolvangar@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > If I might jump in with an (almost) completely new topic here (though > there *were* some posts about this song not long ago): > One reason for its incomplete success I think is that Joni does not > entirely locate herself in relation to the song's story and framework. It > seems that the descriptions and images are Joni's, but she states them in an > oddly abstract third-person way -- not much of the song is in the first > person -- there is an issue of "voice" in the song. It's (arguably) not > exactly explained what she's doing there, or why she's there, or what her > feelings about the destruction of old Beale Street are. It part of our goddess's duality. All of her songs are so deeply personal for her, whether experienced or felt. At the same time she wants to universalize the lyrical content to not be Joni's but the listener's. In her many interviews she both relates her personal experiences which are the seed of the lyric, but then distances herself from the personal interpretation. Most of the time it works and succeeds to a point which raises her work to high art. Sometimes it doesn't . But that's just part of the human endeavor, I guess. Jerry np - Parade (yes, still. It's brilliant) ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jul 99 06:58:15 PDT From: Frances Liccione Subject: Joni's Jazz Hello there! I am new to this mailing list; I just subscribed about a week or two ago. This is my first post to you all. I would first like to introduce myself. My name is Frances and I have been a loyal and devoted fan of Joni Mitchell for many, many years. I have gotten so much enjoyment from Wally's website, and also from reading all of these posts. I discovered the website a couple of years ago, but only discovered the mailing list recently. What a wonderful idea. Anyway, I would just like to describe a little bit about Joni's Jazz, if I may. Since I had my place in line at about 5:45 p.m., (gates were to open at 6:30) I basically had my choice of seats. Naturally, I sat smack dab in the middle of the first row! Incidentally, it was the row that Joni was escorted through during the intermission. There was only about a foot of room, so as she squeezed by me, I said, "Hi Joni!" She was so warm and did pause to shake my hand, as she graciously did with the other "first row-ers". In a very bubbly voice she said, "We're having such a great time here tonight, huh? We're sure keeping the rain at bay!" What a moment for me. She is such a lovely person. The entire night was completely indescribable. It certainly had the hair on the back of my neck raised for the entire evening, just as it was intended. There is not enough room for me to give the proper and deserved praise to all of the many great talents on that stage. I would simply have to say that the evening was just magical...when it was over I walked up fifth avenue toward my bus like a deer caught in the headlights. I was just glazed over and goofy looking, but contented and satisfied in the deepest part of my heart. At the risk of running on, I will post more at another time. Thanks to all of you for sharing. It's lovely to have this "forum". Frances ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:05:10 -0400 From: JaneneO@mji.com Subject: Newbie Hello, everyone. I am a brand new member of this list and have been following Joni's music since I was a little girl. She has inspired me musically all my life. That said, the first digest that I just received is just loaded with information. I have been contemplating joining for two years since I've been on-line but if I can express this correctly, some things are often just sacred enough that to me that I like to keep them to myself. I am into musicology in all aspects but strangely enough, Joni is not an artist I like to comment on or discuss, at least not until now. I guess it may be because her music has meant something so personal to me that I don't really talk about it. This is rare because I talk all the time! lol I was at the Joni's Jazz show last Thursday and for the first time, I was surrounded by Joni fans. It was really bizarre, in a cool way. I was at the Day In The Garden concert and shooting pictures for the company I work for and it was the first time I'd ever seen Joni live. (I'm only 28 and live in NY, no Joni for over a decade!!) I stood in the pit in front of her and pinched myself several times as I snapped away. There were lots of fans that came out to see Joni that day, including many great folks from the JMDL (Susan & I actually cried!) but Thursday was a celebration that sparked me to talk to other people about their feelings on Joni & her music. It was the first time I've seen so many people together that were so happy to be celebrating Joni Mitchell! Well, thanks for reading and I will try to digest the digests as they come. Oh, and to EVIAN, I really like Bruce Hornsby... Peace...Janene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:19:46 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz Hi there, Frances! Welcome aboard! <> > >Anyway, I would just like to describe a little bit about Joni's Jazz, if I >may. Since I had my place in line at about 5:45 p.m., (gates were to open at >6:30) I basically had my choice of seats. Naturally, I sat smack dab in the >middle of the first row! Incidentally, it was the row that Joni was escorted >through during the intermission. There was only about a foot of room, so as >she squeezed by me, I said, "Hi Joni!" She was so warm and did pause to shake >my hand, as she graciously did with the other "first row-ers". In a very >bubbly voice she said, "We're having such a great time here tonight, huh? >We're sure keeping the rain at bay!" What a moment for me. She is such a >lovely person. Don't you dare wash that hand! ;-) What a wonderful experience! >At the risk of running on, I will post more at another time. YES! Please do! Thanks to all of >you for sharing. It's lovely to have this "forum". > Glad to have you here. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:39:57 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote Being the obsessive kind of guy I am, the recurring debate over whether Rolling Stone called "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" the worst *album* or worst *title* of the year prompted me to go look. My one car garage contains (in addition to two Austin- Healey Sprites - they're small) my almost complete collection of RS from about '70 to about '90, when I gave up in disgust. I spent a happy couple of hours digging through them on Saturday. Joni was all over RS in '75 and '76, with tours, the Rolling Thunder shows, the Last Waltz and both Hissing and Hejira being released. Lots of interesting reviews and mentions in "Random Notes." Anyway, RS 2/12/76 page 12: Worst Album Title: Boos for Joni Mitchell's The Hissing of Summer Lawns. There it is. Hmmmm, I thought, this is probably already on Wally's site somewhere? Well, it was fun looking through the old stuff, anyway. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Rolling Stone "Worst" Quote Finally! Closure at last, courtesy of the elegantly obsessive Mr. Dulson. > Anyway, RS 2/12/76 page 12: > > Worst Album Title: Boos for Joni Mitchell's The > Hissing of > Summer Lawns. Of course, now we have to find something else JC to argue about ... but that shouldn't take too long! ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:04:38 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: setlists In a message dated 7/6/99 8:50:20 PM Central Daylight Time, jpelerin@aei.ca writes: ><< I'm new to this list and I need help.I >have several Joni's shows on tape and I'm >looking for the setlists.Where can I find >such information. >> Welcome to the list. I hope you have lots of patience. I've been waiting for just such a resource for over two years now. It has been said that it is "in the works", so sit back and wait and eventually this valuable resource should appear, and hopefully within the near future. :) gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:19:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: B. Mitchell Reed Kakki wrote: >B. Mitchell Reed in particular, who'd met her and was championing her He was doing a lot more than championing her, according to the gossip columnists of the time! :) Oh, and about that night last May, right after you handed her Clouds I handed her Hejira and was rewarded with a big smile. Guess we know who'll be getting an invite up to the house first! :) Best, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:52:36 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Furry Sings the Blues David wrote: >One reason for its incomplete success I think is that Joni does not >entirely locate herself in relation to the song's story and framework. >... I think there's a distance in "Furry" ... a distance rooted in Joni's >own >distance from what she is describing. Her location, her role in the >story and >in telling the story (two different issues), are (until the >last verse) Well, yes, but in that last verse she does let us know what she's doing there, her point of view, her role in the story. I always think of "Furry" as "Son of For Free", Joni contrasting her fame and affluence with under-appreciated musicians who might be just as good, if not better, than her. In my garage digging this weekend, I came across a RS review of her 2/20/76 show at Nasau Coliseum, which contained: "Of the new material she presented, the most striking was "Blues for Furry." Written for and about Memphis bluesman Furry Lewis, the song represents a further examination of the relationship between guilt and pop stardom." >On another note.....it's been observed that as her lyric-writing >style became more conversational (starting around _Blue_), she began cramming >more and more syllables into the lines of verse ...it all makes the song >very >dense, and not in a good way. Hmmmm...doesn't bother me. >And I think that there's an odd tension or instability between the >music, which is relatively down-tempo and loose and with a slow harmonic >rhythm (i.e., less frequent chord changes), and this rapid-fire lyric >overload, with its barrage of images, that for me doesn't work; it's like the >lyrics and music are pulling in two different directions. I think the tension is deliberate. It helps emphasize the mutual discomfort of Joni and Lewis during a visit that was obviously not much fun for either one of them. It's also, I think, a nod to the edginess of the "double-barrelled murder" neighborhood that Beale had become at the time. Thanks for the thoughtful post, David. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Furry Sings the Blues (even longer!) I knew it! No sooner is the Rolling Stone HOSL question answered but my favorite all-time JM song is illuminated in a less-than-favorable light. So if you'll allow me a few moments of quiet meditation to channel the ghosts of the dark town society ... - --- Bolvangar@aol.com wrote: > One reason for its incomplete success I think is > that Joni does not > entirely locate herself in relation to the song's > story and framework. To me, this is satisfactorily addressed when Joni admits to WC Handy that "I'm not familiar with what you play/But I get such strong impressions of your heyday." FSTB is just that, and impressionistic canvas, conveying feelings borne not of familiarity, but detached observation. In many ways, this is what sets the song apart from "Free Man In Paris", and as Steve Dulson observed "Real Good For Free." The themes of these songs are echoed, but in a darker way. Which is how I look at the lines of the last verse ... "Why should I expect > that old guy to give it to me true?"; "While our > limo is shining on his > shanty street/old Furry sings the blues..." -- these > lines sum up her > "outsider" status. > that distance, despite Joni's > awareness of it, creates a really > basic problem for the song because it makes her > unable to bring old Beale > Street completely to life enough For me, if there is a more evocative couplet anywhere than "Ghosts of the dark town society/Come right out of the bricks at me/Like it's a Saturday night/They're in their fi-i-i-nery/Dancin' it up and makin' deals" ... I'm not sure what it would be. In the short story "The Painted Bird", Tennessee Williams addresses the reader: "From here the story takes a turn which may be highly disagreeable to some readers, that is, if any of them hoped it was to avoid the fantastic." FSTB does not flinch from the fantastic, much as Williams' classic mythical tale, and this for me is what sets it apart as one of Joni's most magical gems, of 'Hejira' or any other album. Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:16:57 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: JC only people? Hey everyone- Are any other onlyJoni subscribers getting NJC mail? NP-Grateful Dead-Cassidy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:41:14 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: JC only people? Yes, but none marked NJC if that's what you mean. Sometimes people just forget to put it in the subject line. It's no big deal to me. Mark Domyancich wrote: > Hey everyone- > > Are any other onlyJoni subscribers getting NJC mail? > > NP-Grateful Dead-Cassidy - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:16:26 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Newbie Another one! :-) Welcome Janeane......I can only imagine what a thrill and joy it was to see Joni in concert. Glad you have found a good home to share your admiration. :-) Oh, and here's another BH fan....well, only the first 3 albums really...does that still count? Scenes from the southside and The way it is are both wonderful pieces of work....excellent taste both of you! :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:13:52 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Re: JC only people? I've gotten a few messages with NJC in their subject line... - ---------- >From: Phyliss Ward >To: Mark Domyancich >Cc: joni@smoe.org, les@jmdl.com >Subject: Re: JC only people? >Date: Wed, Jul 7, 1999, 1:41 PM > > Yes, but none marked NJC if that's what you mean. Sometimes people just > forget to put it in the subject line. It's no big deal to me. > > Mark Domyancich wrote: > >> Hey everyone- >> >> Are any other onlyJoni subscribers getting NJC mail? >> >> NP-Grateful Dead-Cassidy > > -- > Phyliss > pward@lightspeed.net > http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:18:11 -0400 From: JaneneO@mji.com Subject: RE: Newbie Jason, thanks for the welcome. You are very kind. <> Yes, it was quite a thrill to see Joni in concert. I was very overwhelmed, to say the least. I endured a few comments from my jaded colleagues about how "she's only a person"...blah blah blah. Well, it means a great deal to me when I can be in the presence of someone I greatly admire, especially when she was playing her songs, with a fantastic backing band to boot! It was a great weekend on Yasgur's Farm in Bethel. Hopefully you can see her soon as well. Take care. Peace, Janene - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:49:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: B. Mitchell Reed Steve wrote: > Kakki wrote: > > >B. Mitchell Reed in particular, who'd met her and was championing her > > He was doing a lot more than championing her, according to the gossip > columnists of the time! :) Ooo, I did not know that! Maybe Wally B can get an interview with him, too ;-) (Seriously, I think Reed could be a great source of stories of Joni's early start-up years in L.A.) Also, I never cease to be amazed at your unending collection of musicabilia. Regarding the 20 years of Rolling Stone's carefully preserved in your garage, I have one word to say to you: EBAY!!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:38:56 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: B. Mitchell Reed >Ooo, I did not know that! Maybe Wally B can get an interview with him, too >;-) (Seriously, I think Reed could be a great source of stories of Joni's >early start-up years in L.A.) Sadly, he died in the late '70s. I could probably find an obit in Rolling Stone... :) >Also, I never cease to be amazed at your unending collection of musicabilia. >Regarding the 20 years of Rolling Stone's carefully preserved in your >garage, I have one word to say to you: > >EBAY!!! I've been thinking about that seriously. There are so many major, in-depth articles about Jackson, CSN&Y, all the biggies, as well as stuff on the obscure people. Ads, photos, reviews. What do people think these are worth?? This is NOT an offer to sell, but, for example, how about the 7/26/79 issue, Joni on the cover, interview by Cameron Crowe (it's on Les's site). What would that be worth to a Joni fan? No, I'm hanging on to it, honest, but I want to get a rough idea of what I should ask, should I start unloading them. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:16:52 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Stormy Weather CDs I have happened upon someone with a stash of "Stormy Weather" CDs for sale. He has 12 of them, new in shrinkwrap, for $19 ea. including shipping in US. I just ordered mine, haven't recieved it yet. I'm passing this on to the listers as a favor, no spam, as I am recieving nothing from it. He seems like a nice guy, though I have never done biz with him. You can contact him directly, it seems like it takes him a couple days to respond: "Tom" cityfair@att.net Please order only one so others can get a crack at it. FYI: "Stormy Weather" is a compilation album with one track by Joni (the title track). It is a live recording of Don Henley's benifit concert and features S. Crow, S. Nicks, P. Cole and others covering standards with a real orchestra backing. Joni's song appears on Tape Tree #8. The CD was a free giveaway from AT&T, and is already showing up on eBay as a rarity. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:42:49 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Some Lost Goodies Jim wonders: <> No dream - this really happened and exists on the JMDL video tape trees - not sure which one, but I saw the Cavett clip just a couple weeks ago with Mr. and Mrs. Catgirl... It's evident that Mr. Cavett was in awe of her talents even then... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:14:03 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull In a message dated 7/6/1999 5:39:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << When some of us were off to the first night of the tapings, we thought of bringing some items to be autographed on the off-chance we'd get to meet her. My first choice was to take my STAS vinyl album but I didn't want to be hauling around something so large and unwieldy, so I threw the Clouds CD in my purse at the last minute. We did get to meet her after the show and I was almost embarrassed to present it to her, worried that she'd think I had not evolved too far. She even kind of smirked a little at it. O.K. so it wasn't Hejira ;-) but those early songs are so in my blood, I could not leave them behind if I wanted to. Kakki >> Oh I agree! STAS , LOTC, and Clouds are simply beautiful!! The songs take me away to a far off land. They are some of the most gorgeous songs I have eve heard! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:18:07 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: joni dress-ups In a message dated 7/6/1999 8:32:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: << Thanks Catgirl and others who've responded to my dress-up post! Got the cruddy old nylon string guitar to take....think I can do the clothes thing...as for the hair...mine being long and dark, dark brown...think the wig is a MUST. I was thinking about joni's hair, looking at some pics of her, she never really did the dye thing did she?? she's always been beautifully blonde (moi so jealous ;) Anyway...I'll let you know how I go. Ange Sydney >> Just dont for get the CIGARETTES!! Catgirl...anyone know which brand she smokes??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:24:52 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz < my hand, as she graciously did with the other "first row-ers". In a very > bubbly voice she said, "We're having such a great time here tonight, huh? > We're sure keeping the rain at bay!" What a moment for me. She is such a > lovely person. > > The entire night was completely indescribable.......when it was over I walked up fifth avenue toward my > bus like a deer caught in the headlights. I was just glazed over and goofy > looking, but contented and satisfied in the deepest part of my heart.>> Thanks, Frances, I love glimpses like this! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:19:17 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: vh1 Vote In a message dated 7/6/1999 9:02:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Johnwe2@AOL.com writes: << Be sure to vote for JM at VH1.com, 100 greatest women of rock. they also have some info on Joni >> How do we vote? Cat... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:28:27 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Camels? In a message dated 7/7/99 6:20:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: > Just dont for get the CIGARETTES!! > Catgirl...anyone know which brand she smokes??? I don't think Joni's smoking Camels these days but didn't I read an interview or article not too long ago where she talks about saving packages of Camel Lights to redeem for a set of camel lights? You know, little plastic camels all in a row on a string, to hang on the patio? I remembering chuckling at how down-to-earth this made her appear. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:29:09 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Furry Sings the Blues hey david, i'm glad you started a discussion about this song, which i love dearly. i think joni's point of view is very clear, as steve has described it, somewhat embarrassed to be a rich white woman presuming to judge this blues legend, and yet judging anyway, weighing the beauty and the imperfection. steve wrote: >I always >think of "Furry" as "Son of For Free", Joni contrasting her fame >and affluence with under-appreciated musicians an excellent insight, and this theme does run through her music and words. in an earlier discussion of 'the boho dance', i believe it was suggested that she was mocking the hypocrisy of the stance (as the book does). i don't think so, i think she's just saying that the costume never fit her. not condemning others, just observing herself. 'but even on the scuffle, the cleaners crease was in my jeans'. sometime between hissing and night ride home, she spoke about the difficulty of writing to connect with a large audience because of her affluence. 'i'm a wealthy la homeowner, etc." i wish i could dig up the quote. i think in the context of 'hejira' which is awfully universal, it was brave to point out, 'i am different from you' and brilliant to weave it into the context of 'furry'. about the music: david: >>And I think that there's an odd tension or instability between the >>music, which is relatively down-tempo and loose and with a slow harmonic >>rhythm (i.e., less frequent chord changes), and this rapid-fire lyric >>overload, with its barrage of images, that for me doesn't work; >it's like the >>lyrics and music are pulling in two different directions. then steve>I think the tension is deliberate. i agree with steve on this, too. also, i think the contrast between slow harmonic rhythm and rapid-fire lyric overload is a good working definition of the whole album, more than any she's ever done and i think for many, appreciation for hejira is proportional to appreciation for that method of song construction. you wrote >the music (the chord changes) is dense, too, though in a different way from the lyrics - -- kind of murky. Some of the chord changes in the other songs, by contrast, each sound fresh and clear and give the song direction -- 'amelia' where every chord change has a kind of wonder for me that is just practically luminous. well, i think there's a subjective taste here, i know more than one jmdler who finds amelia boring (not that i do, but it is very sparse). personally, i find the chord changes on refuge and song for sharon to be, oh, i don't know, murky, less than perfect. refuge sounds too obviously like the last song on an album, and not in the best sense. and song for sharon just suffers for coming after hejira, where each interval has a wonder that still puts me in a trance, after all these years. i like refuge and sharon; they maintain the unbelievable standard of wordsmithing on that album but the music leaves me a little cold. patrick, heading out to catch a bite than expecting to come back for a listen to hejira (except, i have to finish a tape for a jmdler!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:45:24 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Stormy Weather CDs and the generation gap Thanks Randy! I will give my plug for this incredible CD. I thought I was just getting mine for the Joni cut but I fell in love with the whole thing. My sister was visiting recently and she loved it too so I'm going to get a copy for her, hopefully from this guy. Some interesting notes about my older sister. She is the same age as Joni and her name is Roberta Joy (as in close to Roberta Joan). She was never into the same music as I and I just saw her as a different generation since she is significantly older(12 years). But just recently it dawned on me that she and Joni are the same age and that made me wonder a little about the timing. I know she was into Johnny Mathis and early rock and roll. I used to play her 45's and dance around. I particularly remember "Chantilly Lace" She obviously loves the old standards which is what attracted her to Stormy Weather. So I guess my question is...What is the cutoff or dividing age for people who were into "rock" or "hippie" music ala Joni etc.? I also find it interesting that her 25 year old daughter and my 21 year old daughter-in-law to be both love Joni and have her CD's. So the generation gap thing doesn't apply anymore. Comments? Randy Remote wrote: > I have happened upon someone with a stash of "Stormy Weather" > CDs for sale. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:58:39 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: I fell in with some jimdlers... I fell in with some jmdlers and wow, was I surprised, they were all so witty, had joni mitchell eyes I fell in with some jmdlers and marched along the road I though looking for a child of God but this was what I was told: when you fall in with some jmdlers you are hanging with the best; no matter where we walk each year we're destined for Ashara's annual Joni Fest. with apologies to every poet who every lived, and don't get mad at Lisa because she inspired this doggerel... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:05:23 -0500 From: "Mark Domyancich" Subject: Re: Camels? She smokes American Spirits, which are organic and don't contain any crap that's found in other cigarettes. They're very nice. ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| - ---------- >From: Ginamu@aol.com >To: CaTGirl627@aol.com, Joni@smoe.org >Subject: Camels? >Date: Wed, Jul 7, 1999, 5:28 PM > > In a message dated 7/7/99 6:20:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: > >> Just dont for get the CIGARETTES!! >> Catgirl...anyone know which brand she smokes??? > > > I don't think Joni's smoking Camels these days but didn't I read an interview > or article not too long ago where she talks about saving packages of Camel > Lights to redeem for a set of camel lights? You know, little plastic camels > all in a row on a string, to hang on the patio? I remembering chuckling at > how down-to-earth this made her appear. > > Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:29:16 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: JJ photos In case folks don't check Wally's site as obsessively as I do, he's put up (under NEWS) the lovely photo of Joni that ran in the NY Times last week. There is also a nice shot courtesy of new JMDLer Lisa Durfee. Thanks Lisa! for your photo and your great first post. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:38:51 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Stormy Weather CDs and the generation gap (LJC) I'm not going to generalize just from my family, but my brother, 53, was the first sibling to be **reliably** into "rock" and "hippie" music. The eldest, who would have been 59 this August, had a mad passion for Julius LaRosa and Mary Martin, later developed a taste for the early 60s folk stuff (Kingston Trio, Joan Baez) and much later, thanks to her baby sister, she developed a taste for Joni. And BTW, I like Mary Martin, too. Phyllis said: >I know she was into Johnny >Mathis and early rock and roll. I used to play her 45's and dance >around. I particularly remember "Chantilly Lace" She obviously loves >the old standards which is what attracted her to Stormy Weather. So I >guess my question is...What is the cutoff or dividing age for people who >were into "rock" or "hippie" music ala Joni etc.? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:05:36 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Amelia I happen to love "Amelia" but still haven't quite "gotten it". I understand (I think) that she's comparing her obsessive love of music to Amelia Eirhart's obsession with flying. I get that she has accepted the jeers of those who don't appreciate her and persevered anyway (like Amelia)BUT WHAT WAS THE FALSE ALARM????Maybe I'm totally wrong and this song is about men...Amelia had just about as much luck in that dept as Joni. I LOVE the line "And looking down on everything, I crashed into his arms" which does make me kind of think this is about men. Can anyone help me? (I'm not as deep as some of you in here-sorry for my ignorance everyone, but I've only been actually trying to figure her lyrics out for a couple of years or so) - -Jenny CT np Furry sings the Blues ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:19:08 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Amelia I get that she has accepted the > jeers of those who don't appreciate her and persevered anyway (like > Amelia)BUT WHAT WAS THE FALSE ALARM???? Specifically I think the song is about a breakup. More generally I think it is about searching for something - love, happiness, fulfillment, glory - and being ultimately frustrated by wrong turns & dead ends. Are the six jet planes really the hexagram of the heavens, some kind of sign pointing the way to fulfillment? No, they're just a false alarm. Is the drone of those flying engines calling you to find what you seek by wandering from place to place? Nope. Just another false alarm. Will leaving your present circumstances and travelling to those places people have gone to & are telling you to go to bring you the happiness you want? No, it's just another false alarm. Will the arms you crashed into when the overwhelming feeling you felt when you looked down on everything keep you safe and make you happy? Guess again. Another false alarm. Is there some answer in fulfilling that dream to fly? Not for Amelia. She was swallowed by the sky or the sea. No answer there, just another false alarm. Finally the dreams of 747's over geometric farms are just a symptom of your wanderlust and don't really mean anything. They're all just dreams, dreams & false alarms. Just one take. I'm sure you'll get many more! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:13:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Amelia Mark! What an incredibly enlightening interpretation! I always had a very intuitive approach to this song -- which I love to distraction -- but now I feel I understand it so much more deeply. Thanks for the input. WallyK >Just one take. I'm sure you'll get many more! > >Mark in Seattle > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:38:37 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: STAS - vinyl variations In a message dated 7/7/1999 1:19:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << The one I originally bought in the 60s has the following exactly engraved in the run-out: (Side One) 30753RS629A - 1H and (Side Two) 30754RS6293B - 1G The mint one that sounds so incredible has the following: (Side One) RS6293 30754-4 and (Side Two) T BS6293(30753)-3 I know this is kind of nerdy but I would really appreciate any more information if anyone knows. Thanks, Kakki >> Very interesting Kakki! I have the same record of your mint one. It has the exact same number on it. HOWEVER, I also have a Japanese Import that I bought in 1977 with this number on it.... side 1 P-8099R1 side 2 P-8099R2 Interestly enough when I look at both records side by side, the colors are much more vibrant on the Jap pressing then on the American. As well, where the seagulls make out the words on the cover, the jap im-port is missing more then the american pressing. I have her first 4 albums on Japanese pressing. The sound is amazing! I like them so myuch I think I will put them on CD and then them away for safe keeping. Does anybody even know what the numbers mean? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:40:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: STAS - vinyl variations Catgirl wrote: > Very interesting Kakki! I have the same record of your mint one. It has the > exact same number on it. Joni minutiae synchronicity! > Interestly enough when I look at both records side by side, the colors are > much more vibrant on the Jap pressing then on the American. On my original album cover the colors all have a blue-greenish cast, but on the mint copy, the colors are all orange-ish yellow and the seagulls are more obvious. I don't quite know what the engraved numbers mean but hopefully will find out. Gee, this makes me think we need to come up with yet another group project - A Compendium of Joni Album Pressings ;-) Kakki, once a nerd, always a nerd ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:50:13 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Amelia In a message dated 7/7/1999 9:24:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << d by the sky or the sea. No answer there, just another false alarm. Finally the dreams of 747's over geometric farms are just a symptom of your wanderlust and don't really mean anything. They're all just dreams, dreams & false alarms. Just one take. I'm sure you'll get many more! Mark in Seattle >> Great Take and I think I will keep it! Thanks Mark! Cat.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:57:42 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: joy askew/summerstage (VLJC) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 22:54:24 -0400 From: BarBearUh i know i'm a bit behind the band wagon on the summerstage thing, but i think patrick filled you in pretty well. all i can say is CHAKA! i saw her open for prince this year, but just hearing her do one joni cover was better than her entire show w/prince. she is such a professional and her covers were simply stupendous! the band's version of 'jungle line' was also tremendous (i liked it better than joni's version) and joy was terrific throughout. which brings me to the main reason i'm decloaking now. i know i emailed a few people on the jmdl about joy's website as a way of getting info about her upcoming show. she hasn't updated her site in quite sometime, so i wanted to forward the info she just emailed me - "The next show is something special - at Joe's Pub (Public Theatre) on August 3rd" [NYC]. BTW, she also mentioned how the show was one of the most special moments of her life and she seemed to think it was for joni, too. barbara np: HOSL ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #109 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?