From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #98 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 29 1999 Volume 01 : Number 098 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A Joni-Only Weekend ;-) ["Kakki" ] Re: Clouds lyrics question [Howard Wright ] Joni Visualisation [pyramus ] Re: Joni's _____ [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Gr8ful Dave's post [Ginamu@aol.com] re: Joni's 'thing' ["raymond" ] Re: Joni Visualisation [Jason Maloney ] Re: Joni Visualisation [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Eric Taylor's Post [Lisa Molin ] Re: Eric Taylor's Post ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: clouds [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: clouds (now Hejira) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: clouds (now Hejira) [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: NPR Joni For Tape Trees [Randy Remote ] Victor's Jonatha post - [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Eric Taylor's Post [catman ] Re: NPR Joni For Tape Trees ["Lisa Peakes" ] NPR + [Michael Paz ] An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? [Marksa973@aol.com] Re: Joni's 'thing' ["Helen M. Adcock" ] The internet vs. the record companies [Michael Paz ] Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? [Deb Messling ] painting with words... video ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: Joni's THING [luvart@snet.net] Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Recipe that should have made the book....D'oh!!! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? [Susan Chaloner ] [none] [Bounced Message ] New Kid on the Block [Bounced Message ] joni LP differences ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: joni LP differences [CaTGirl627@aol.com] SO True! (VLJC) [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:49:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: A Joni-Only Weekend ;-) I had the pleasure of hosting Leslie and Steve Mixon here over the weekend. Leslie gifted me with beautiful large, black & white photo she took of Joni and B.B. King in 1980 in Berkeley (soon to be added to my ever-growing Wall of Joni). Steve re-strung my old mandolin and it must have been glad to be revived because he made the most incredibly beautiful music pour out of it! They played their latest demo CD for me and I was incredibly impressed. Leslie is just a natural-born singer and does a spectacular version of "Comes Love". We had a nice time of soaking up Joni and music and also getting together with the Dulsons and Lindsay Moon at the dear Les Deux Cafes. (Lindsay and Leslie pointed out actresses Christine Ricci with entourage, and Alfre Woodard.) Then it was back to my place for Joni talk, videos, music and a wonderful live performance by the Mixons and the Dulsons on mandolin, dulcimer and drum. We also scoured the used book stores and record shops of Melrose and Hollywood Blvd. and Leslie has a tremendous knack for picking out the jewels and amazing finds. Today we stopped in at McCabe's Guitar Shop and picked up some songbooks. I found the Chalkmark songbook for only $15.00 (take that eBay!) McCabe's is filled with every kind of musical instrument you can think of. There is a small hallway section stocked with dulcimers, and wouldn't you know it, but we spotted three photos of Joni circa 1980s in that section, one with a very handsome Eric Andersen! Another great getting together and I feel so privileged to constantly be exposed to so many multi-talented listmembers here - it's always very inspiring. Thanks, you all! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:01:57 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: Clouds lyrics question From: CaTGirl627@aol.com >In the songbook *Joni Mitchell Complete Vol. 1* it says.....Braiding fall >flowers and leaves in my hair. AND, In the songbook * The Music of Joni >Mitchell* from 1969, it says: Braiding fall flowers and leaves in my >hair...So for the last 22 years of life I beleaved these words to be >true. HOWEVER, on closer inspections (actually listening to the CD real >close) I have discovered to my disbeleif that the words are *wildflowers*. Songbooks are not the best source for accurate lyrics. In quite a lot of cases, it seems that the songbook lyrics are written out by the transcriber listening to the songs (rather than the correct lyrics being supplied on paper or file - that would be too easy right?!?) - so no wonder there are odd lines that appear! >In the book *Joni Mitchell: The Complete Poems and Lyrics it says" >Braiding *wildflowers* and leaves in my hair. This is what I hear too and I'm pretty sure this is the correct line. But, unfortunately, not all the lyrics from this book are correct. Many of the misprints from the original album covers/sleeves ended up in the lyrics book. Wally's site is, I believe, the most accurate source of all Joni's lyrics (it has "wild flowers" too for this line). Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:19:15 +0100 From: pyramus Subject: Joni Visualisation Hello to everyone on the list. First time posting from a long time lurker in the U.K. I've loved Joni's music for a long time now and have almost all the albums on CD. Just Mingus to go. I used to have Mingus on vinyl but it was 'borrowed'(along with some of my other albums) by my younger brother when he left home a few years ago :-) I've read with great interest and admiration many of the posts by other Jimdlers on what Joni's music means to them personally. Isn't it great how a few songs can touch the heart so forcefully ? I have many favourites, 'Otis & Marlena', 'Marcie' and 'Turbulent Indigo' just off the top of my head. I tend to gravitate towards the songs that tell a kind of story and try to visualise the images in my head; create a sort of 'image video' if you like. For instance I visualise 'Turbulent Indigo' as animated images of Vincent's and Joni's paintings flowing together and telling the story. 'Marcie' tends to be black and white photographs chronicling the life of a lonely woman. In 'Yvette in English' I see an English / American businessman having an "affaire du coeur" with a French madamoiselle. I view the story of their nervous meeting on the Rive Gauche as a film by Godard. Listening to Joni's music like this can really send you somewhere wonderful. Does anybody else visualise the songs like this? There aren't many artists I can do this to because the lyrics just aren't up to it. Elvis Costello is probably the nearest to Joni for erudite lyrics (IMO) but Joni's songs have so much colour, which is probably a good subject for another thread.. Keep well Kevin NP: Eddie Reader- 'Joke (I'm laughing)'- "D'you hear the one about the one you're now without." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Joni's _____ The following is an open letter to Eric. It contains ADULT language so if you are easily offended, leave now. Dear Eric, I was not going to respond to your post at first, but it has been eating at me like a beaver going down on a long log. Jus twhat were you thinking? I cun't believe you would use such a word in the subject line. Now we all have to trim it from our responses or the more sensitive among us will be muffed, I mean miffed. When I first saw it, I was so shocked that I took a dive from my chair. As my head went down, my face caught the desk's corner and opened a nice gash below my lips. It was then i realized your post was in bad taste. You can do better. I'm sure you're a smart gy,no? In the future dooshow more taste and try to be a more cunninglinguist. Explicitly yours, gdave (with tongue firmly in cheeks) PS: I heard Joni is putting out a new box-set next year. I bet I'm not the only one who can hardly wait to get his hands on Joni's box. NP: Hot Tuna - "What's that smell like fish, oh baby" - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:32:09 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Gr8ful Dave's post Eric's post was an error in judgment but gr8ful Dave, I found your so-called humor disparaging, offensive and yes, sexist. If you had showcased the most belittling and racist terms you could think of and called it "humor", there would be an outcry on the list and you would be labeled a racist and a bigot but because it is directed at women, you perhaps thought everyone would let it go. I will not let it go. I was hurt, offended and discouraged by your thoughtlessness. So much so, that I can't even go on a rant about it. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:24:27 -0700 From: "raymond" Subject: re: Joni's 'thing' Terry writes: < Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation pyramus wrote: > > Hello to everyone on the list. First time posting from a long time > > lurker in the U.K. I've loved Joni's music for a long time now and > > have almost all the albums on CD. Just Mingus to go. I used to have > > Mingus on vinyl but it was 'borrowed'(along with some of my > > other albums) by my younger brother when he left home a few years ago > :-) > > I've read with great interest and admiration many of the posts by > > other Jimdlers on what Joni's music means to them personally. Isn't it > > great how a few songs can touch the heart so forcefully ? > > I have many favourites, 'Otis & Marlena', 'Marcie' and 'Turbulent > Indigo' just off > > the top of my head. I tend to gravitate towards the songs that tell a > > kind of story and try to visualise the images in my head; create a sort > > of 'image video' if you like. For instance I visualise 'Turbulent > Indigo' as > > animated images of Vincent's and Joni's paintings flowing together and > > telling the story. 'Marcie' tends to be black and white photographs > > chronicling the life of a lonely woman. In 'Yvette in English' I see an > > English / American businessman having an "affaire du coeur" with a > > French madamoiselle. I view the story of their nervous meeting on > > the Rive Gauche as a film by Godard. Listening to Joni's music like this > can really send you somewhere wonderful. Does anybody else visualise the > songs like this? Hi Kevin, Glad you've come out of lurkdom! I really enjoyed your post, and certainly over the years I've found the cinematic qualities of so many Joni songs extremely valuable. There was a time when, due to illness, I couldn't tolerate any external visual stimuli whatsoever...TV, reading, travelling...you name it. In those days, songs from CMIARS, NRH amd TI really - quite literally - stimulated my brain into visualising the situations so beautifully and evocatively described both through her lyrics and also her artful appliance of texture and rhythm. NRH, in particular, created such a strong image in my mind during those times that even now the album plays like a complete movie in my head. You mentioned Yvette In English, which is another track that has those same qulalities. The woozy, ethereal keyboard(??) sound on it always sends a tingle through my spine. Where in the UK are you, BTW? There aren't many of us Brits around on here :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:07:35 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation Kevin delurks: < I tend to gravitate towards the songs that tell a kind of story and try to visualise the images in my head; create a sort of 'image video' if you like. >> Hi Kevin, thanks for de-lurking. It IS funny how some of her songs create such vivid visuals. It would be cool to take a song and talk about how we would "shoot" it for a video, I would be interested to see the variety of images that a particular song conjures up, or maybe see that we've all been imagining the same thing! For me, "Raised on Robbery", "Coyote", "Ethiopia", "Barangrill","Morning Morgantown" are among the strongest "image-conjurers". << Elvis Costello is probably the nearest to Joni for erudite lyrics>> I'm a big fan of his too, and he's hit it big this summer with songs on both "Austin Powers" & "Notting Hill" (neither song is his though, and he looks kinda out of place in Austin Powers... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:31:02 -0400 From: Lisa Molin Subject: Eric Taylor's Post I don't know Eric Taylor personally, or anyone on the list personally, so I can't be sure what response Eric expected from his post, but for me, referring to Joni's genitalia as Pussy is completely offensive. I know this is a common street term, but in my opinion, I wish it would remain on the street and not on our list. It is interesting to note that when reference was made to the male genitalia is was accurately called Penis. Why then revert to slang to describe Joni? Afterall, isn't the vagina a place of sacred pleasure and mystery? I think all women, not just Joni deserve to have their anatomy referred to with reverence. Vagina and Penis are not the most elegant words, but I prefer them to slang. I apologize upfront and in advance to Eric if my post is too preachy and hoighty toighty - as I said I don't know Eric personally, but the language of his post just really got under my skin. I don't mean to target Eric because I've heard this word my whole life, it just hit me below the belt (so to speak) when I read it on the list today. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Eric Taylor's Post I also don't know Eric personally, but we have had off list discussions about music. I'm sure he never intended to offend everyone, just was caught off guard being informal and friendly on what is really a public list. We all forget that from time to time. He has explained and apologized in public, an honorable and humbling thing to do, so maybe we should move on. Jerry On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Lisa Molin wrote: > I don't know Eric Taylor personally, or anyone on the list personally, so I > can't be sure what response Eric expected from his post, but for me, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:57:47 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: NPR Joni For Tape Trees Pat wrote: "I didn't think of this until just now but if the 585 people on this list all went out and scoured their local NPR outlets, between us we might be able to come up with quite a bit of non-commercial, live Joni Mitchell just perfect for a tape tree!" Pat- I am on it in New Orleans and will report back to the list. How should we inquire about the programs specifically? Where does World Cafe originate? Which brings me to ask, why don't we start archiving some stuff on MP3 format on the sites? Wally? Les? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:31:22 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: clouds > I think it is cool that you have an alternate version of the LP. I > have > never seen one that does not open. The words on the LP and the CD are > the > correct ones. For some reason in the songbooks they printed *fall > flowers* > which is why I always sang that. WOW! > Catgirl I believe most of the LP reissues were in single covers (not gatefold). I remember buying my first round of Joni albums in the late 80's. Most of them were German budget reissues in single covers. It was only later that I found out that they were originally in gatefold sleeves. Some of the single sleeves have the insides of the gatefold printed on the inner sleeve, some not. Speaking of sleeves, I have a Portuguese LP of "Hejira". It's gatefold and there's also a separate 12" x 12" sheet with a photo of Joni on both sides. Did that come with all LP's? - --jussi - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:36:57 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: clouds (now Hejira) In a message dated 6/28/99 5:35:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi writes: > Speaking of sleeves, I have a Portuguese LP of "Hejira". It's gatefold > and there's also a separate 12" x 12" sheet with a photo of Joni on both > sides. Did that come with all LP's? > Wowy! That sounds neat. My copy does not contain such a separate sheet and I bought it in 1976, the year of its release. Does yours have the album sleeve photo of Joni "like that black crow flying" ? Take care, Gina CSNY - Ohio - So Far ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:47:03 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: clouds (now Hejira) > > Speaking of sleeves, I have a Portuguese LP of "Hejira". It's gatefold > > and there's also a separate 12" x 12" sheet with a photo of Joni on both > > sides. Did that come with all LP's? > > > > Wowy! That sounds neat. My copy does not contain such a separate sheet and I > bought it in 1976, the year of its release. Does yours have the album sleeve > photo of Joni "like that black crow flying" ? The record is at my parents' place, so I can't check it at the moment. From what I remember the photos on the sheet were different than anywhere else on the sleeve. They were from the same 'crow skate' session. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:11:21 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NPR Joni For Tape Trees Michael asked: > Where does World Cafe originate? World Cafe originates from public radio station WXPN, Univ. of Penn, and is syndicated for broadcast by various public radio stations nationwide. Their website is http://xpn.org/sections/world_cafe.html and their email for comments and questions is worldcafe@pobox.upenn.edu They've been doing their live in the studio show for nine years, produced 8 compilation CDs, and mentioned Joni on their webpage (in passing). Joni does not to my knowledge appear on any of their CDs. > > Which brings me to ask, why don't we start archiving some stuff on MP3 > format on the sites? Wally? Les? I think this could provoke a lawsuit from the record company, who could interpret this as publishing or releasing material by an artist under contract to them. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:45:24 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Victor's Jonatha post - In a recent post by Victor re: Jonatha concert : << but this same roommate also insisted on putting me up in a hotel room(it was by then raining pretty hard outside) which really blew me away.>> Sounds a little like Joni's unreleased song......" The Hunter" ..... AKA The Good Samaritan. Lucky you didn't have to stay in the shed. There are still some nice people in the world.........although some would say that they are not very cautious. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:49:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Eric Taylor's Post > > Afterall, isn't the vagina a place of sacred pleasure and > mystery? If so, a penis is also. > I think all women, not just Joni deserve to have their anatomy > referred to with reverence. And men also. > Vagina and Penis are not the most elegant > words, but I prefer them to slang. Not elegant I agree. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:29:20 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: Re: NPR Joni For Tape Trees <> National Public Radio, or Public Radio International distributes it - (you were probably wondering what city it originates from!) but.....listener contributions make up for over 55 percent of our fundraising budget at Vermont Public Radio - we have to keep treats as enticement to get the funds we depend on. It would be really bad form for someone within Public Radio to distribute any such CD except for as a promotional item. <> It's a shaky call on this, isn't it? Does circulation on MP3 mean that an artist doesn't get compensated for her product? I can appreciate the desire to mix 'n' match and collect 'em all, but I've heard the buzz that artists are getting stiffed because of this type of distribution. Am I off base? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:27:57 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: NPR + I wrote: > Which brings me to ask, why don't we start archiving some stuff on MP3 > format on the sites? Wally? Les? then Randy wrote: "I think this could provoke a lawsuit from the record company, who could interpret this as publishing or releasing material by an artist under contract to them." Thanks for the info Randy I have already contacted a couple of the NPR stations here in Louisiana, and unfortunately none archive any of the World Cafe stuff. They rotate dats of the current programs. In regards to the MP3 issue I was not talking of putting anything up that is commercially available and I support getting clearance for anything we might put up. Which makes me wonder about how many people post here from copyrighted publications. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:45:36 EDT From: Marksa973@aol.com Subject: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? The July 5th issue of The New Yorker has the following item on the upcoming "Joni's Jazz" concert in Central Park: "With an ego as big as Malibu Beach and a tiresome persecution complex, Joni Mitchell makes it tough to love her these days. Her work speaks for itself, though, particularly the sixties and seventies albums that cut a glorious swath, from confessional folk to sleek pop to jazz-inflected art songs. Mitchell went fully electric much later than Dylan, taking the plunge with "Court and Spark" in 1974. The albums that followed, including "The Hissing of Summer Lawns," "Hejira" (featuring brilliant work from bassist Jaco Pastorius), "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter," and "Mingus," each with a deeply personal poetic voice and a broadening of musical boundaries, have turned out to be some of her most influential." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:10:40 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni's 'thing' >Terry writes: ><he picked up the scent from my p** or c***. She's blunt but she has >class. Cathy wrote: >So does my husband! He just said, "has it occurred to anybody she >might be talking about her perfume?" That's funny, it's what I originally thought (and still do) even after all the discussion! I also interpret it as meaning that "Coyote" is a "physical" person as opposed to an "emotional" or "spiritual" person, therefore his actions relate to the tactile - "picks up my scent on his fingers, while he's watching the waitresses legs" as opposed to (for example) "senses me watching him closely, while he's watching the waitresses legs"... Just my 2 cents worth. Helen NP - Janis Joplin - Call On Me (boxed set) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:15:21 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: The internet vs. the record companies Lisa wrote: " It's a shaky call on this, isn't it? Does circulation on MP3 mean that an artist doesn't get compensated for her product? I can appreciate the desire to mix 'n' match and collect 'em all, but I've heard the buzz that artists are getting stiffed because of this type of distribution. Am I off base?" Hi Lisa Thanks for the response! From what I hear, artist's are pissing off the record companies for their involvement with this technology. But frankly, the record companies are in trouble because the record biz is changing for the better and artists will benefit more form the current technology and the sheer possibilities of the internet. I have been planning the development of a record company here in New Orleans, so I can work with two artists here locally and I have really been studying the biz and how it is changing so fast. It is a scary proposition to go into a biz like this now. Record labels better wake up if they want to keep pace with what's happening. So many artists out there support live shows being taped and distributed through MP3. It creates more interest in the bands and most people (like myself) will buy everything that comes out commercially on an artist that I like (at least for collection purposes alone). Joni is a perfect case for going solo as far as the biz is concerned. For someone who has had so much trouble with the industry as a whole, she could benefit from the love Wally and Les have showed her, with a whole world ( the jmdl and the thousands of others who hit the sites looking for info on Joni ) to buy her stuff directly from the source. Love to all, Michael NP-My first ever burned CD (Joni of course) Man From Mars-TTT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:20:18 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni Visualisation Bob wrote: > Hi Kevin, thanks for de-lurking. It IS funny how some of her > songs create such vivid visuals. It would be cool to take a > song and talk about how we would "shoot" it for a video, I > would be interested to see the variety of images that a > particular song conjures up, or maybe see that we've all been > imagining the same thing! For me, "Raised on Robbery", > "Coyote", "Ethiopia", "Barangrill","Morning Morgantown" are > among the strongest "image-conjurers". What a great thread! A few songs leap to mind: Raised on Robbery - definitely - I can see the guy sitting bored in a bar, then this obnoxious woman throws herself at him!) Two Grey Rooms - but I've seen the video, so it doesn't count! Car On A Hill - picturing a woman sitting by the window, peeking out every time a car goes past Amelia - just Joni driving across the desert in a huge convertible at sunset, with images of Amelia Earhart superimposed above her head! Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire - a dirty, rundown apartment with a filthy sink, and rubbish everywhere Sunny Sunday - I can picture the house from "A Streetcar Named Desire"! The Last Time I Saw Richard - Joni sitting in a bar looking depressed/disappointed (her favourite theme!) with flashbacks of her and "Richard" when they were young, interposed with shots of an overweight, bored husband in the suburbs! I could go on forever on this thread, but it's one of the reasons Joni's songs appeal. I get a little "mind-movie" with each one! And already perfectly captured - Night Ride Home. One of my favourite music videos! Helen NP - Janis Joplin - Bye, Bye Baby (boxed set) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:06:44 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? Oh, dear. First they trash Joni for her "persecution complex." Then they go on, with no sense of irony whatsoever, to praise those albums that were criticized to the point of persecution when they were originally released. What's the only saying? Even paranoiacs can have real enemies. At 08:45 PM 6/28/99 EDT, you wrote: >"With an ego as big as Malibu Beach and a tiresome persecution complex, > The albums that followed, including "The Hissing >of Summer Lawns," "Hejira" (featuring brilliant work from bassist Jaco >Pastorius), "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter," and "Mingus," each with a deeply >personal poetic voice Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:29:40 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: painting with words... video <> My thoughts too! She's such a groover ... and I really love the way she dances with one of the guys who sings "Why Do Fools Fall In Love" - it's so sensual and, I can't explain it, she just seems to be at peace with music, being up on stage, letting herself go to the sounds of the band. I really like the intimacy of this concert and it looks like she's in her element in that kind of situation. She just makes me want to "get up and jive...wreck my stockings in some juke box dive" (sorry if I got these words wrong, you know what I mean) Ange (trying to sit still in her chair at work thinking about joni swinging her hips to WDFFIL) Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:40:55 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Joni's THING >> And frankly, I'm tired of this whole discussion. >> >> Terry Twat .... ahem , I mean what? (I am too Terry - lets move on :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:38:02 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? In a message dated 99-06-28 22:09:38 EDT, messling@enter.net writes: > >Oh, dear. First they trash Joni for her "persecution complex." Then they >go on, with no sense of irony whatsoever, to praise those albums that were >criticized to the point of persecution when they were originally released. ==========SNIP================== >~there are only three kinds of people: >those who can count, and those who can't. > Suddenly, your tagline takes on more profound meaning with this one! MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:05:42 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Recipe that should have made the book....D'oh!!! In a message dated 6/28/1999 9:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hyattmcc@bellsouth.net writes: << Hi, Catgirl! I would love to have your salsa recipe if you have the time to share it with me. Happy belated birthday to you!! I hope you had a great day! Debbe in Alabama >> For the few who would like my simple but yummy recipie for my Home made SALSA...... *Borderline* Salsa Ingredients... 1 raw onion preferable RED 1 jalopena (sp?) pepper chervil cilantro squat can of whole tomatoes in juice...28 ounce Quarter the onion and cut up the jalopena (you might want to remove the seed they can cause trouble *going out*) Put in food processor and turn on for 5 seconds. Add the whole tomatoes and blend for 5 seconds. Add a half teaspoon of cilantro and a quater teaspoon of chervil and blend for about 10 seconds....done! serve with chips or use with your favorite mexican dish! Catgirl...enjoy...fridge the rest and stir up if it seperates..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:26:15 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: An Ego As Big As Malibu Beach? Marksa973@aol.com wrote: > > The July 5th issue of The New Yorker has the following item on the upcoming > "Joni's Jazz" concert in Central Park: > > "With an ego as big as Malibu Beach and a tiresome persecution complex, Joni > Mitchell makes it tough to love her these days. Tell me about it! Everyone knows Joni's brutal from 3000 miles away <;~) and some very wry grinz> Seriously, I do wonder how the writer would know that about Joan? Who was the writer anyway? I do so want to see foot notes and references };~D List your sources New Yorker...Otherwise, retract and retreat... Susan L.A. Honey McBabe:-"...Just a small town dude With a big city attitude Honey are ya lookin' for some trouble tonight Well alright!..."-Desmond Child/Diane Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: joni's jazz question hello to the joni discussion list! i'm new to the group, but really loving some of the vibrant, prickly debates going on...(except the ridiculous and not-interesting genitalia silliness). i plan to write more at some point about how much this artist means to me, but for now can someone help with a quick question? where exactly in central park is the joni's jazz concert on thursday? and does anyone know where the "will call" area is? i need to pick up my tickets before, and i'm not sure where to go. cheers to all on the list, and to all going to this special event on july 1st! i can't wait! - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:43:51 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: [none] From: andrew power Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 05:01:58 PDT kakkib nice post - i'll be chasing those leads for US punk bands asap i only drew a line between US and uk punk in when i wrote that johnny rotten post last week - and it's just struck me that i'm trying to lever US music from uk music - y'know: the way one side of the atlantic or the other holds sway for a while in doing this i'm trying to understand the pop/rock idiom - and how it relates to my home town/country - and how it's been cross-pollinated with influences of the world and certainly - in light of the cultural imperialism of commerce-culture US (coke and a smile, britney and a boob job) - what can an artist do to avoid it while being influenced by the genuine stuff from the nation that invented itself? drw ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:42:57 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: New Kid on the Block Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:36:19 -0400 From: Brad Dietz <"ddietz@erols.com"@erols.com> Hello all, I just joined the list. I came across Joni when years ago, my drummer roomate wanted my to hear Jaco's playing on Shadows and Light. I was impressed by his playing there (being a bassist among other things), but it's only been within the last month that I've decided to buy more albums. I heard Turbulent Indigo one summer evening at a professor's house when it was new. I didn't remember the music, but I rememeber that I had to have it. I recently checked it out again on CD Now, and splurged when I found it. I'm a "later Joni" fan, admittedly after checking portions of all of them on CD Now. I own: Shadows and Light Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm Night Ride Home Turbulent Indigo So far, if I had to pick one song as my favorite- a tough thing- I'd choose: My Secret Place. I'm a sucker for great drumming, and great production, and I'll go nuts for anything with Manu Katche on it. I just love the groove on that song, but really the whole song and Joni are great too. They go well together. Other artists/bands that I like (and maybe you might too): Level 42, Sting, Seal, Julia Fordham, Bruce Hornsby, The Samples, Dave Matthews Band, Tears for Fears, Sarah McLachlan, CSN, Michael Manring, Genesis, The Verve, Steve Reich, and Maurice Durfle, etc... I was aware of Joni through here association with David Crosby and Graham Nash, being a huge fan of theirs, but it's just taken me some time to get to the point of wanting to become familiar with her music. I'm glad I've started that process. Another thing is that I also play guitar (in my band I play bass/bgvox/and keys), and I was trying to write some music for the guitarists that didn't have the same chords, notes, and patterns to learn. Obviously, if you retune the guitar in different ways, you can't fall back on familiar standard tuning ways and fingerings, and sound decent, or tonal in the pop music sense. I'm interested to learn about Joni and the music to push "our" music and guitarists in different directions- to shake them of their Matchbox 20/Third Eye Blind-isms- those damn stubborn guitarists... So I'm glad to be here. I can't say I'll be "Mr. Posting to the list everyday", because I don't have a long history of her work, so I'll most likely be lurking somewhat, learning, and letting those that know do the posting. On another note, anyone here from Virginia? -Brad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:31:06 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: joni LP differences Following my questions about the Clouds LP cover and different lyrics on different LP copies... Jussi wrote: <> Speaking of "extra bits" and photos of our gorgeous Joni on LPs...I noticed that the copy of Miles of Ailes that I found is different to the one I bought in a music store....both are gatefolds, but one has a middle section to it....and contains THE most beautiful picture of joni that I have ever seen, she's wearing something sparkly and has curls in her hair and the biggest, happiest grin ever, she's sitting behind one of her guitars!! There are also hand written lyrics of "Jericho" and another song printed on black opposite the picture......wondering which LP is more common, anyone? anyone? do we all have this devine picture of joni :) sigh Ange Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:37:32 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: joni LP differences In a message dated 6/29/1999 12:34:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: << THE most beautiful picture of joni that I have ever seen, she's wearing something sparkly and has curls in her hair and the biggest, happiest grin ever, she's sitting behind one of her guitars!! There are also hand written lyrics of "Jericho" and another song printed on black opposite the picture......wondering which LP is more common, anyone? anyone? do we all have this devine picture of joni :) sigh >> Sorry to disappoint Sweetie...but I have the same one as well as probably every one on the list who has the LP. The other one you have (on the other hand) is probably the rare different one! So, see you still might have something of value!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:51:22 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: SO True! (VLJC) Kakki wrote: "Another great getting together and I feel so privileged to constantly be exposed to so many multi-talented listmembers here - it's always very inspiring. Thanks, you all!" Kakki- Great post about your weekend. I feel like I was there in spirit and I probably was. Somehow Joni attracts some pretty amazing people, I have never witnessed anything like this in my life. Although there have been times when I have connected hard with people, I don't recall now a time when I felt closer and so in sync with so many at the same time. I am starting to zone in on our pending fest and look forward to playing with new musicians, and meeting new and strange and wonderful people. The get together at your place in January was one of those special nights I will never forget and I never wanted it to end. May your flame continue to burn brightly! Michael ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #98 ***************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?