From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #93 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 25 1999 Volume 01 : Number 093 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: joni's take on punk & disco ["Lisa Peakes" ] Re: joni's take on punk & disco [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: joni's take on punk & disco [Jason Maloney ] Re: joni's take on punk & disco [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Posall, bootlegs [w evans ] Joni Sightings in Toronto [James Leahy ] Re: JoNi & eBaY [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] RE: You Are Your Car/"Art snobs" [Heather Galli ] Re: You Are Your Car/"Art snobs" [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: The snob over there ["Mark or Travis" ] joni vs johnny rotten [Bounced Message ] Re: JoNi & eBaY [Randy Remote ] Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni [MGVal@aol.com] Re: The snob over there [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Ian Mathews "Woodstock" [FredNow@aol.com] Joni's Guitar Style [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] Re: joni's take on punk & disco [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: JoNi & eBaY [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: The snob over there ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni [Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: joni's take on punk & disco > > <<>> > > I'm sure she doesn't. Her opinions on it often seem quite glib > to me. My guess is her thoughts on both punk and disco were > not too positive. > Okay, so maybe she doesn't apply much pressure, but I'm still betting she has some reading on the heartbeat of the scene - maybe it's contemporary jazz, maybe it's contemporary Cuban, or contemporary fill-in-the-blank. I sure can't imagine her at a cash register checkout with an armload of the top 20. Does she go to parties where people (other musicians) play their latest material? Does she live in a vaccuum - only listening to Piaf and Miles? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:49:13 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's take on punk & disco << My guess is her thoughts on both punk and disco were not too positive. >> Uh oh, someone said the *d* word again. To refresh: It's a matter of record that Joni has said that she likes (maybe liked, now) some disco music and fancies herself a dancer. We've been there, done that thread on the JMDL at length, right Paul I? ;-) Can't speak for her feeling on punk, but it's tough to imagine her diving headlong into a mosh pit. - -Julius np: X, Live ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:24:39 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: joni's take on punk & disco Lisa Peakes wrote: > I > sure can't imagine her at a cash register checkout with an armload of the > top 20. Does she go to parties where people (other musicians) play their > latest material? Does she live in a vaccuum - only listening to Piaf and > Miles? LOL....what a thought! Joni weighed down with Britney, TLC et al.... :-) It's tempting (and perhaps all too easy) to assume that our SIQUOMB is rather on the insular side and not interested in the mainstream of modern music. I'm sure, though, that certain artists around at the moment must catch her ears....whether overheard in a bar/restaurant/store (Joni does shop, right? ) or at some private function/gathering....... IMHO, I think Joni could have/would have "done" disco very well...with her natural flair for rhythm. Also...um....while we're at it, a Tod Terry remix of Big Yellow Taxi, anyone? Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:50:14 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: joni's take on punk & disco Lisa asks: <> I've noticed in all the interviews with Joni the two things she will inevitably say are that (1) She's a painter first;(2) She pays no attention to popular music and is only familiar with songs from the 40's & 50's...BUT in the same interviews she praises Janet Jackson's "Got 'til it's Gone", criticizes other popular songwriters who get compared to her saying their songs aren't near as complex as hers, talks about loving the music of The Police, talks about listening to a new radio station for a week before passing judgement on it, etc. So, c'mon Joni, I love ya' but who are kidding? We all know you're listening to EVERYTHING, because you love music as much as we do! And btw, you ARE the best! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:40:19 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: Posall, bootlegs > Not completely true. Especially if it is rare, it may show up in the future as > another illegal bootleg from another source. It happens all the time. And if > Joni were to ever want to release any of her early live work in the future, > these boots WILL affect the value of her work. Case in point, a boot exists of > an early Barbara Streisand live show from her days in the Village. The tapes > were made by a "friend" with whom she had a falling out. Her lawyers have > steadfastly gone after anyone who sells or tries to "reboot" the recording > because it very greatly affected the value of her fabulous box set For the > Record. For her fans and consumers this contains far superior early live > recordings. And this is only one example. > > Jerry I'm not much into Babs, but I checked "For The Record" out of the library once just to find out what she's about, and it looked like a rather comprehensive collection spanning her entire career up to that point, and the sort of thing that I can't imagine any fan of hers who would take the trouble to seek out and find a bootleg recording would NOT buy, in fact I would be extremely suprised if any such person would not consider that box an absolutely essential purchase. Over on rec.music.dylan, there was a lot of discussion about the "Live 1966" 2cd that Columbia put out last fall, of Bob and the Band's most famous concert recording from Manchester, England, and every single person who posted about it said they'd had one of the many bootlegs of that show that have been circulating for 30 years. The only people who buy bootlegs are truly rabid fans and an official release, with always superior sound quality and comprehensive liner notes and information, is ALWAYS purchased by these sorts of people. I just got the Second Fret Sets, and while it's very good I am certain the sound would be better and the interesting essay included in a potential release that Joni would put together of her early stuff is something I would snap up in a second. I can not believe that bootlegs of rare material adversely affects the bottom line of the artist or their record company one bit. Pirating, yes, because that fools casual fans into buying what they think is the same thing, but that's a whole different issue. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:48:06 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Joni Sightings in Toronto The Toronto Star's Rita Zekas just missed seeing Joni at the exclusive restaurant Prego by minutes. Evidently Her Blondness has been dining there a lot while visiting Toronto. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: JoNi & eBaY >I agree and would prefer the rather long >Ebay lists stay off of jmdl; Did someone ask for your/our preferences? If someone did, and I missed it, I would prefer "the rather long" diatribes about "how "Blue" changed my life", or "why schoolkids should all be armed", or "My Favorite FillintheBlank" threads, would stay off the list, BUT IT DON'T WORK THAT WAY, Randy. I have no control over what gets posted and neither do you. This is a VERY prolific group who like to discuss all kinds of things. One can not justifiably complain about content that is of no interest to that particular person. Read what interests you. And if something does not interest you, just skip it, and move on, as I do with at least half the stuff posted here, and I'm on the Joni Only list! >whoever wants to can check Ebay >themselves. RR IF they know about it, remember to check it, and have web access. And what if they do, and wish to discuss an item to learn more about it? Is that OK with you, Randy? >ps I also agree with CatGirl that the prices >for Joni stuff on Ebay are getting >ridiculous. Anyone who bids a "ridiculous" price either deserves to lose their money, or does not find the price "ridiculous". Not everybody defines ridiculous the same as you, me, or Catgirl. That said, I agree that many of the prices are, IMO, ridiculous. At the same time, IMO, many gr8 bargains can be found as well. >Thank you! Going to eBay is as easy as >typing it in and hitting GO! OK everyone is >that easy enough? Not everyone can do this, Catgirl, and some that can, forget, and appreciate the reminders. >Catgirl....getting a little tired of all the >bickering about everything...can we now >talk about Joni? Are we bickering, debating or discussing? Depends on each individual's definition, does it not? And we are talking about Joni and her various items for auction at eBay. Or perhaps we should move on to penises & Joni. Also, I was going to respond to your earlier post about bidding against other listers, but Catman said basically what I would have said. Except, I might add that I do not understand this line of reasoning. If you want something you should bid for it. Deferring to another lister is not going to bring the item YOU want, to YOU. All this nice concern for your fellow listers is admirable indeed, but it leads me to believe that the item in question is not something you really wanted to begin with, if you're willing to let someone else get it simply because they bid first. Everyone, you are all (with few exceptions) very nice, interesting people whom I would love to meet, trade with, and discuss things with, whether or not we agree on what is being discussed, but if I saw something on Ebay that I really wanted, I would bid against my own sainted Mother to get whatever it was. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:17:22 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: RE: You Are Your Car/"Art snobs" Patrick wrote: <> >i know it's hard to believe, given my demonstrated jmdl brilliance, but i am >and nearly always have been a very low-income worker. partly because i >spent 20 years pursuing a career as a dancer and am now transitioning >alongside people much younger than me. But you look so young!!! Remember from Fried Green Tomatoes ....Towanda!! >the met opera and the ny state theater have standing room for under $15. >you can almost always move into decent seats. downtown dance performances >are priced between $8 and $15. out of reach? no, no... all it takes is a >little effort, but our education system has given up on teaching kids that >it might be worth the effort to see 'Theater, dance and musical >performances'. that's a true trajedy. Yes it is! Our god child is a very talent artist at the young age of 12. She doesn't do too well in math and science but musically and artistically she is very talented. In her school system (here in Connecticut) they cut back the art and music programs (grrrrrr) so her mom pays fro private music lessons and art classes. I get to take her to the museums and get her involved in classes there. Just think ..... there may be many other children loosing out. Who the hell ever thought of cutting back on the arts in school?? It drives me mad! There should be "take your children to a museum day". Art is history .... art is life. >gina, i think you live on the eastern seaboard, no? come to ny and i'll >show you a cheap, culturally amazing time. there are many jmdlers who can >vouch for me. and i have a complete blast, sharing my loves with folks. I'll bring you to NYC, Gina! We'll go see Patrick together! Love to all, Heather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:29:23 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: You Are Your Car/"Art snobs" In a message dated 6/24/99 9:15:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Gallih@ccsu.edu writes: > There should be "take your children to a museum day". > Art is history .... art is life. > My 12 year old daughter, Meredith, who is bored to tears in a museum like the Met, recently accompanied us to our new MoMA here in Western Massachusetts. She absolutely loved it! She found the art fascinating, not only in concept but in the techniques and materials used. She was giddy over the fact that some art can be interactive! She had a blast and has been asking to go back, so we've purchased a family membership. We live in the middle of nowhere (truly beautiful spot) so having Mass MoCA 20 minutes from our home feels like a real treat. We attended the grand opening which was kicked off with a concert by Los Lobos and a tasty barbecue. What a blast! Later this summer we will be seeing Joan Armatrading there. MoMA is cool. It's a complex of old renovated factory buildings in North Adams, which is capable of housing works previously too large to exhibit anywhere else. The factory setting seems perfect for some of the works we looked at. David Byrne of the Talking Heads had an exhibit of his work there before the place was fully available to the public, but I missed it. Heather, I think your idea of "bring a child to a museum" day is fantastic! I'm going to try to encourage my children's school to take a field trip there in the coming school year and I'd be more than happy to play hooky from work to go along as a chaperone! Take care, Gina NP: Tracy Chapman - Matters Of The Heart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:30:52 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The snob over there Helen wonders: > P.S. Is there something in the atmosphere at the moment, that's affecting > everyone? Lots of people here seems to be getting snippy, it's happening on > the Lee-Shore too (the CSN list), and even my friends have been getting > shitty over nothing. What's going on? Mercury must be in retrograde (again!). Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:09:21 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: The snob over there >Helen wonders: and even my friends have been >getting >> shitty over nothing. What's going on? > WELL! Let's get out the cyber Milk of Magnesia ..... pick you favorite Joni song and sing it loud! Sing it proud! Ya think that'll do it? > >Mercury must be in retrograde (again!). > I don't know Mark .... looks like it's a full moon coming on also .... Heather ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:21:27 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: joni vs johnny rotten From: andrew power Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:52:39 PDT Don <> yeah don - but uk punk schlepped into existence circa '74 - late '70's was already its nadir also: punk vs the sixties - the pistols realeased an ep called 'never trust a hippy' - and punk was projectile vomiting at the complacency of wishy washy sixties idealism - the capital of which was california (uber alles) the continental european '60's, on the other hand, were more about molotov, rather than flower, power - and punk's seeds were sown by the situationists of the may '68 rising of paris uk punk was pretty much anti-american anyhow, and this tendency lasted into the political bands of the new wave (who, for the most part, recanted when the '80's gave them the chance to make megabucks) frankly - US punk never instilled terror into a nation as much as uk punk did i'm not saying USpunk was weedy, but it lacked the context of: 1 british classism 2 the royal family - espcially a silver jubilee to focus its hate on 3 an origin in working class youth, and the foreshadowing decline of the british economy - and therefore much of the despair and anger punk fed on US punk was more of a cultural, not social, movement - dissipated by the size of the states, based in NY with its own art-house traditions, with disco a form of expression (ie: a desire for upward mobility - teh american dream) for most working class folks - black and white - as US punk had very little to offer black youth - while uk punk had a strong anti-racist current, even if most punks were white, mixed in with its nihilism so - in refeence to joni... it's funny that this ties in with the joan baez threads - i don't see joni as being political at all - not even personal-political, or feminist joni's value is that all her music is self-centred - how she (or we as the listeners) experiences relationships, sees other people and their stories, and smarts with us and our affairs joan's value is that of a political performer measuring the two against eachother plays into the sex-formatting - white male artists are seen as being in different genres, while females or non-whites thrown into their respective bags joni is uniquely her own genre/format - one of the hallmarks of a great aritist for myself, i'm more interested in joni's context at any given time during the making of any given album thanks for the spark that got me writing this don! drw ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:03:43 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JoNi & eBaY gr8fuldave wrote: > >I agree and would prefer the rather long > >Ebay lists stay off of jmdl; > > Did someone ask for your/our preferences? No, I was just giving my opinion, which others may or may not agree with. I didn't know I was supposed to wait until someone asked. > > Read what interests you. And if something does > not interest you, just skip it, and move on I don't have any problem with that, in fact I do it regularly. > >whoever wants to can check Ebay > >themselves. RR > > IF they know about it, remember to check it, and have web access. And > what if they do, and wish to discuss an item to learn more about it? Is > that OK with you, Randy? I guess so. If someone doesn't remember to check it, that's their level of interest. I assume everyone has web access. If they don't, how do they bid, or even go to eBay? > I might add that I do not understand this line of reasoning. If you want > something you should bid for it. I agree. You will just be bidding against another Joni fan anyway, whether they are on the list (or even know about it) or not. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:10:27 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni In a message dated 99-06-24 12:28:55 EDT, les@jmdl.com writes: >it's funny that this ties in with the joan baez threads - i don't see joni >as being political at all - not even personal-political, or feminist > >joni's value is that all her music is self-centred - how she (or we as the >listeners) experiences relationships, sees other people and their stories, >and smarts with us and our affairs > > I don't disagree with this statement. I, too, do not see Joni as political or feminist. The "political" songs that people have listed in relation to the Joan/Joni thread as being political as, in my eyes, more of the "self centered" approach as described by Andrew above. I have been wondering about what makes an artist "political." Is it just the words? Is it the subject? What makes "Not To Blame" less political than Baez's "Prison Triology?" Aren't both songs the artist's "self-centered" view of a situation? Is a "political" artist one who follows up the song, (in this case), with other actions? Who makes sure that the public knows what the song is about rather than just putting the work out for individual interpretation? Although Joni has performed at several of the "Aid" concerts, political performing does not seem to be a raison d'etre for her. Certainly with the subject of feminism, she insists and insists that she is not one, yet reaps the rewards and paves the way for women. >>>joni is uniquely her own genre/format - one of the hallmarks of a great aritist for myself, i'm more interested in joni's context at any given time during the making of any given album This final paragraph pretty much brought a halt to my musing. She IS unique with her own genre/format. My personal interests lie far more in her emotional fuel that creates the work. MG np: Grandma's Last Day In Town. (AKA what a long strange trip it's been.........) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:48:10 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: The snob over there In a message dated 99-06-24 09:49:10 EDT, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: >> the Lee-Shore too (the CSN list), and even my friends have been >getting >> shitty over nothing. What's going on? > > >Mercury must be in retrograde (again!). > > Nah, it's my mother. She's still here and is getting on EVERYONE"S nerves! MG - 24 hours to go ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:16:34 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Ian Mathews "Woodstock" Steve Dulson >Ian also recorded several of Richard Farina's songs, and in >addition to Southern Comfort was in the band Plainsong. I >believe he is based on the US east coast these days. Iain is a friend of mine, and he sang on one tune of my album Usually/Always (Windham Hill). In fact, he was the one who signed me to Windham Hill as he was briefly working A&R for them at the time, and, in fact, I think I'm the only artist he signed before he quit A&R and signed with them as an artist himself. His lone Windham Hill album is a gem: Walking A Changing Line, an album of Jules Shear songs. I arranged and played on two of them, and contributed a short tune of my own. Iain and I have also written some songs together which have yet to be recorded. Iain has continued to write and record beautiful albums of thoughtful songs, and he sings like a bird. Most recently he was living in Austin, Texas. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:18:54 +1000 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: Joni's Guitar Style Michael wrote .She seems to have become quite a lazy guitar player, maybe >relying on the warm full sound of the VG-8 to cover the >articulate playing she used to do.Sure artists do evolve but it seems >to me what her playing has become has not been a natural progression.> along with other things Victor wrote >> An album is just one musical statement. It doesn't encompass the artist. An artist of Joni's depth can pretty much do whatever she wants. I think you should cut her a little slack.<< I can see where you are coming from but my veiw point is coming from the way she has played her older songs in this new lazy kind of playing.I take DJRD as an example.It seems to me that the vg8 has influenced her into taking an "easy way out" with her guitar work. Helen wrote >>I was under the impression that Joni was having serious back and muscle problems (something I can sympathise with) as an after-effect of problems she had with polio as a child. So she not only has to use a very light guitar, but it is quite painful to play anything, let alone the complicated "articulate" songs she used to play. I may be wrong about this, but it would seem to be a reasonable reason for why her guitar playing has "simplified" over the last few years?"<< Sounds pretty reasonable Helen .I hadn't even taken that into consideration Howard wrote >>Her playing style certainly has changed - it has evolved steadily over the years, but I don't hear any radical difference in technique on TTT compared to TI.<< Yea there is no radical difference .I guess it has come to a point where it has really made me take notice and say to myself "I don't like what Joni is doing with her guitar in this song" Something I have never found myself saying before so I just had to ask around. Howard >>I don't think it's at all accurate to say that she's become "lazy" on the guitar because of the VG8 sound. I think her playing on this album is much the same as on TI and NRH. Do you find her playing on these albums lazy/simplified too?<< I guess it starts around those albums but only really came to my notice with TT7 and 8 and with the release of TTT.It sort has been a swelling undercurrent of my oponion since TTT was released and was reinforced by what was on TT8.I mean I still love waht she is doing but I know what it could be.Maybe I was born to late and should have been around to experience the early years. Cheers Michael http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html michaelb@coolgold.com.au Either we are alone in the universe ...........Or we're not............ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:30:08 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: joni's take on punk & disco there was an article at the time of punk which reported that she attended some hooley or other and that she sat for most of the evening but lept to her feet when they put on some 60's Motown. Philip - the memory man NP Kate Rusby - Dark Eyed Sailor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:45:06 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni In a message dated 6/24/99 2:29:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: > Certainly with the > subject of feminism, she insists and insists that she is not one, yet reaps > the rewards and paves the way for women. I think of feminism as a political cause involving political *action*. Based on that definition, I don't think of Joni as a feminist. I've never thought of her as particularly political, in the sense that Joan Baez or even the likes of David Crosby were. (someone told me that they saw CSNY live once, and David Crosby marched on stage holding a flag of the Viet Cong...not sure if there is any merit to this story). I don't think of Joni as any more political than most of us...she writes what she is thinking about and in this way she reflects upon what is going on in the world around her. I don't think of that as political. Doesn't mean it isn't...it's just my opinion. You all take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:13:05 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: JoNi & eBaY In a message dated 6/24/1999 8:55:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net writes: << Everyone, you are all (with few exceptions) very nice, interesting people whom I would love to meet, trade with, and discuss things with, whether or not we agree on what is being discussed, but if I saw something on Ebay that I really wanted, I would bid against my own sainted Mother to get whatever it was. >> ..and if your Mom really wanted it I guess she would bid against you. Go for it Mama! Ifor one am not that kind of person. Frankly, sharing seems easier. There is always another book, another Cd, another Bootleg right around the corner. Why bid for it till it goes up to over $100.00. Who really wins? Are we bickering, debating or discussing? Depends on each individual's definition, does it not? And we are talking about Joni and her various items for auction at eBay. Or perhaps we should move on to penises & Joni . I am not into the penis topic. I think it is kinda silly. Why not call this the Joni on eBay discussion list and you can be head auctioneer...bring your wallet buddy there are almost 600 listers here! Anyone who bids a "ridiculous" price either deserves to lose their money, or does not find the price "ridiculous". Not everybody defines ridiculous the same as you, me, or Catgirl. That said, I agree that many of the prices are, IMO, ridiculous. At the same time, IMO, many gr8 bargains can be found as well. Well now that we will be doing regular postings about Joni on eBay, I really doubt if their will be anymore bargains...like I said befor I won't be winning anymore auctions on eBay and am just gr8ful I got what I did when I did. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:29:02 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: The snob over there Helen wondered: << Is there something in the atmosphere at the moment, that's affecting everyone? Lots of people here seems to be getting snippy, it's happening on the Lee-Shore too (the CSN list), and even my friends have been getting shitty over nothing. What's going on? >> Mark in Seattle offered: << Mercury must be in retrograde (again!). >> Perhaps it's because Saturn is SO close to Earth right now. Or maybe Nostradamus was right & the Messiah is due any day now.... We live in interesting times! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:34:08 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni In a message dated 6/24/99 9:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << I don't think of Joni as any more political than most of us...she writes what she is thinking about and in this way she reflects upon what is going on in the world around her. I don't think of that as political. >> IN fact, Joni herself denies she is political. She says in the monologue "My American Skirt" that Canadians by their nature are not political. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:15:04 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: joni vs johnny rotten/Political Joni IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > IN fact, Joni herself denies she is political. She says in the monologue "My > American Skirt" that Canadians by their nature are not political. When did she say that Paul? 1999 BC? And you're just gonna keep on a holdin' her to it, huh? Since I am mercury and I'm supposed to be retrograde would someone please quote this Joni to the Canadian I just had to throw back because he wouldn't stop talking politics and actually DO anything...BORING! I wanna real man like Paul Bunyan };~D Susan L.A. Honey Mcbabe-"...be nice kitty, kitty..."-that Joni :~) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #93 ***************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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