From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #91 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 23 1999 Volume 01 : Number 091 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Tape Tree #2 [evian ] Re: the high tidemark of the sixties [JRMCo1@aol.com] The Posall and the Mosalm [Patrick Mead ] Re: Win video cds of Joni, Joan and other greats! [Krys & Geoff ] Re: The Posall and the Mosalm [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The Posall and the Mosalm [Patrick Mead ] Re: The Boho Dance ["P. Henry" ] Re: JoNi & eBaY [CaTGirl627@aol.com] what's the joke? ["P. Henry" ] Lyrics quiz ["Reuben Bell3" ] Hissing: Worst Album? [Les Irvin ] apology ["P. Henry" ] blue fans [Bounced Message ] atrociuos joni covers [Bounced Message ] Re: Hissing: Worst Album? [SMEBD@aol.com] Vinyl For Sale! [DreamZvil@aol.com] Re: blue fans [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Re: blue fans ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: You Are Your Car [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Hissing at Rolling Stone [Kay_Ashley@ars.aon.com] Re: Hissing at Rolling Stone [Don Rowe ] Re: blue fans ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: blue fans ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: Joni and Ebay [FMYFL@aol.com] joni's take on punk & disco ["Lisa Peakes" ] Mini-meet & greet [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Joni and Ebay [catman ] JONI under the covers [simon@icu.com] Sings Out! & BROADSIDE [simon@icu.com] Re: Joni and Ebay [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: A Legend Hissing at Rolling Stone ;~D [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Joni and Ebay [Randy Remote ] Re: JONI under the covers ["P. Henry" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:24:13 -0600 From: evian Subject: Tape Tree #2 Casey wrote: > I'm not Evian, but I would love to have a copy of this tape tree. > LOL, well... ok, I am gonna finally throw it out... would anyone be willing to tape me ANY tape tree tapes (although TT#2 sounds pretty damn cool)? I just stocked up on blank tapes today since I had to tape my father a belated Father's Day ABBA tape (don't ask). I hate asking for these kind of things because I know it must be a pain to take the time to tape stuff, and send it, and blah blah blah, and after I got our wonderful Bob to tape me that cheesy movie so my sister and I could go down memory lane, and our wonderful Roberto sent me the Mojo and Carly mags, and of course our resident Ashara for everything, I swore I would never ask anyone again here for a favor, lest I appear... leachy... but... James and Joni... I mean.... it's worth grovelling for! Anyway, if anyone wants to help, thanks. Evian np: Talking Heads "Sand in the Vaseline" (album title of the decade, imo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:42:31 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: the high tidemark of the sixties My apologies. What I said was kinda reactionary, wasn't it? May I suggest the term "cathartic" for what you were expressing? Guess I've got a bit of a hair trigger on my gag reflex. :-) Respectfully, Julius Bob.Muller kindly said: << I didn't mean anything negative about Blue by using the phrase "emotional vomiting" Julius, although it sounds disgusting, I was just referring to the process where you try to get in touch with the depth of your emotions and get them out. Perhaps I've never had any (disappointments)?!? Whaddya think, I live in a vaccuum? :~) Bob >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:51:11 -0700 From: Patrick Mead Subject: The Posall and the Mosalm JMDL'ers: We sure seem to be getting mighty excited about eBay around here lately. The item entitled "The Posall and the Mosalm" is a very old bootleg vinyl lp, which dates back at least 25 years. All the hysteria about "piece of crap" sound quality, and bootlegging, being raised in connection with an auction like this misses the point (though I can't help but wonder how the person who knows it to be a "piece of crap" found out that it was...perhaps through purchasing a copy at one point in time?). The reason that a person might want to bid on "The Posall and the Mosalm" is not because they expect it an audiophile-quality pressing to which they will listen frequently. They will bid on it because it is an old, scarce, Joni Mitchell related curiosity, with modest interest as a collectible for someone trying to build a comprehensive vinyl collection. As an object that was pressed in tiny quantities a quarter of a century ago, no "bootlegger" will profit from it as it changes hands now, it is just another used record being bought and sold with no profit or loss to anyone but the two parties involved in the sale. Leave the bidders and seller in peace, zealots, they will bring no harm to the house of Joni. Let's not get our underwear in a bundle, ok? /Pat mailto:pmead@pacbell.net CD-R, cassette & video tape trades: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:41:23 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: Re: Win video cds of Joni, Joan and other greats! In message , JRMCo1@aol.com writes > >I've also been reading the Joni/Joan thread with, um, interest. Thought this >would be as good a time as any to announce that I'm sending a double video cd >of the 1970 Isle of Wight Festival (aka Britain's very own Woodstock) to >Ashara to include in one of the Jonifest raffles. > >In addition to live video and sound performances by Joni *and* Joan, the >lucky winner will be treated to performances by Leonard Cohen, Miles Davis, >Donovan, The Doors, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Kris Kristofferson, The Moody >Blues, Ten Years After, Tiny Tim, John Sebastian, The Who, Free, Jethro Tull, >the Plastic Ono Band, Free and Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Early congratulations to the lucky winner, whoever s/he may be. I thought that Tom Paxton, another of my favourites, appeared at IoW in 1970. Can you confirm this? Love and peace, Krys XX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:11:35 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Win video cds of Joni, Joan and other greats! Krys XXX writes: I can't confirm or deny Tom Paxson's performance there, Ms Krys. The booklet does mention that the video is culled from over sixty hours of footage, and says that some performers who appeared didn't agree to be filmed. Such lumunaries as James Taylor, Sly and the Family Stone, Supertramp and Neil Young apparently were there but didn't make the video. (Neil and Joni came to the venue together in a rented Rolls Royce, according to the notes.) Paxson's not featured on these videos either, unfortunately. There's plenty of backstage footage though, so you might be able to spot him. If I make it to Jonifest, I'll bring my copy of the video cds and a player for all to enjoy if they wish. - -Julius << >In addition to live video and sound performances by Joni *and* Joan, the >lucky winner will be treated to performances by Leonard Cohen, Miles Davis, >Donovan, The Doors, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Kris Kristofferson, The Moody >Blues, Ten Years After, Tiny Tim, John Sebastian, The Who, Free, Jethro Tull, >the Plastic Ono Band, and Emerson, Lake & Palmer.>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:34:42 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: The Boho Dance - -----Original Message----- From: P. Henry >I just wanted to address the comments that were mead that the song may >have been talking about Chuck... ummm, considering the time frame and >how long it had been that they were apart when this song was written, isn't >this kind of a stretch??? > Fair point Pat. Maybe there's a danger in over analysis. I heard a quote the other night that the writer Brendan Behan said in relation to people trying to figure things out. "I don't know what a swim in the ocean means, I just know I like it." Philip NP Miles remixed by Bill Laswell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:45:40 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Southern Comfort (jc) - -----Original Message----- From: patrick leader >whatever matthews southern comfort did with the song, it didn't have >anything like the impact that csny's version did. That's probably true for the US where csny's inferior version seems to have won the day. I've only heard the csny version once in my life and I listen to a lot. > still, it's only recently i've learned that england got >local, and sometimes very inferior versions of the best of pop writing of >the time. this from a recent bert bachrach special. in the late '60s, when >dionne warwick was recording and having a hit with each new bachrach/david >composition, instead of being released in england they were being recorded >by one cilla black. We got and loved all of Dionne's lovely records. Walk On By and San Jose were huge. Cilla might have had the bigger hit with Anyone Who Had a Heart and Aretha the same with I Say A Little Prayer and Dusty had the hit with Wishin' and Hopin'. I never liked Cilla but I heard Bachrach on tv recently praising her as having the best version of Anyone Who Had a Heart. Philip NP Miles remixed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:16:19 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Mingus Vinyl Gatefold? Yes. Lori wonders ... >________________________________________________________________________ >Trying to settle a mystery here--one recollection has that Mingus is >not a gatefold; another recollection is that it is. Concensus, please? > >Anybody know what a white label promo of Mingus is worth? > >Lori >San Antonio >________________________________________________________________________ it's a gatefold, with an extra page and a painting that *wasn't* included in the first CD editions. it's now been restored to the booklet accompanying the recent HDCD re-issue. (WLP) white label promo? $10-15 for a domestic US copy ($20 tops!). more for a Japanese LP. i've seen these sell for up to $40. - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:42:56 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: JoNi & eBaY >Excuse me, but how does this validate the >original posting on the subject? Simple. Jim made a post. Simon then warned people about the item, possibly saving many listers from throwing away there money on this item either now, or in he future. We would never have known about this item if it were not for Jim's post. >To me, it sys that if Jim knew what he >was posting about, he would not have >bothered to say anything. True, but he might not have been sure of the item, so he put it up for discussion. He was not telling anyone to bid the item, was he? Just mentioning it, I thought. Just as I'm not telling anyone to bid, just providing a service for those who might be unaware of ebay, or don't have time to check it, or forgot to check it, or might just be interested in an associated graphic attached to an item, or don't have web access but know someone who does, or just providing on-topic discussion fodder. I'm sure others could come up with more valid reasons for such alerts. >Instead, he may have suckered someone >into bidding on something that was a >waste of money, He was not suckering anyone. It is up to the bidder to be smart and check things out before bidding. And what better place to learn about this, or any other Joni item, but here among the experts? >especially if we did not have a resource >like Simon to pull the wool away from >everyone's eyes. But we DID in this case, thanks to Jim's post, learn about the item in question, and thanks to simon, we saved our $ while learning something Joni related. >       In other words, what I'm saying is >that unless you are personally familiar >with the item, its quality and its real value, >you are only doing a disservice to the >members of this list by notifying them of >the item's availability in the auction. Wrong again, oh negative one. By alerting the list to the items, said items can be discussed and learned about prior to bidding, as has just happened.   >On the other hand, if you know the item is >real quality and a real bargain, you're >probably stupid to let other people know >about it who might outbid you for it. True enough, if you are bidding. I am not bidding on anything, so this does not apply to me.      >So if the two above statements are true, They are not both true. >where does that leave anyone who might >want to follow Jim's example? Free to post as they please, and on topic I might add. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:50:06 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: The Boho Dance philip quoth: "I don't know what a swim in the ocean means, I just know I like it." *S* I like that! the fact is that I really don't think ol' Chuck would have really fit the bill even if he *were* around to be written about! in his 'drip dry and paisley' and beatle haircut and boots, he was very much just wearing a uniform that went with the job. oh, he was a fairly decent musician but, had the grass looked greener, I'm sure he could have just as easily been a mellow rocker or even a big bander... ie: he was a singer and a guitar player and basically just a working musician. I never really sensed a vested involvement with folk music or bohemian lifestyle, as was very evident in some, and I'm sure, prior to meeting Joni when he used to duo with Loring James around the Detroit area, with his show tunes and ballads, he was probably more 'vested' in the women he could swoon than in any lifestyle or politics. I mean, don't get me wrong, Chuck was a really nice guy... just not all that 'deep' by boho standards... wqhich is to say, in the context of this thread, not the hypocrite he's being pegged as. pat NP: Cod'ine - Buffy St. Marie Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:14:09 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Posall and the Mosalm Patrick Mead wrote: > As an object > that was pressed in tiny quantities a quarter of a century ago, no > "bootlegger" will profit from it as it changes hands now, it is just > another used record being bought and sold with no profit or loss to anyone > but the two parties involved in the sale. Not completely true. Especially if it is rare, it may show up in the future as another illegal bootleg from another source. It happens all the time. And if Joni were to ever want to release any of her early live work in the future, these boots WILL affect the value of her work. Case in point, a boot exists of an early Barbara Streisand live show from her days in the Village. The tapes were made by a "friend" with whom she had a falling out. Her lawyers have steadfastly gone after anyone who sells or tries to "reboot" the recording because it very greatly affected the value of her fabulous box set For the Record. For her fans and consumers this contains far superior early live recordings. And this is only one example. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:41:05 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: Re: Win video cds of Joni, Joan and other greats! In message , JRMCo1@aol.com writes >Krys XXX writes: > > > I thought that Tom Paxton, another of my favourites, appeared at IoW in > 1970. Can you confirm this?> > >I can't confirm or deny Tom Paxson's performance there, Ms Krys. The booklet >does mention that the video is culled from over sixty hours of footage, and >says that some performers who appeared didn't agree to be filmed. Such >lumunaries as James Taylor, Sly and the Family Stone, Supertramp and Neil >Young apparently were there but didn't make the video. (Neil and Joni came >to the venue together in a rented Rolls Royce, according to the notes.) >Paxson's not featured on these videos either, unfortunately. Thanks for the info! Tom's a lovely friendly guy (he still pays regular visits to the UK luckily) and I can't see him not wishing to be filmed. Maybe I got my facts wrong about him being there. > There's plenty >of backstage footage though, so you might be able to spot him. Well worth a look then - will this video be available on the PAL system does anyone know? Love and peace, Krys XX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:21:01 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Joni lith on eBay Hey everyone, As Kakki mentioned a while back, one of Joni's liths, entitled "The Road To Uncle Lyles" was up on eBay, starting at $4900. It's now down to $900. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:16:00 -0700 From: Patrick Mead Subject: Re: The Posall and the Mosalm At 09:14 AM 6/23/99 -0400, Jerry wrote: >Patrick Mead wrote: > >> As an object >> that was pressed in tiny quantities a quarter of a century ago, no >> "bootlegger" will profit from it as it changes hands now, it is just >> another used record being bought and sold with no profit or loss to anyone >> but the two parties involved in the sale. > >Not completely true. Especially if it is rare, it may show up in the future as >another illegal bootleg from another source. It happens all the time. And if >Joni were to ever want to release any of her early live work in the future, >these boots WILL affect the value of her work. Case in point, a boot exists of >an early Barbara Streisand live show from her days in the Village. The tapes >were made by a "friend" with whom she had a falling out. Her lawyers have >steadfastly gone after anyone who sells or tries to "reboot" the recording >because it very greatly affected the value of her fabulous box set For the >Record. For her fans and consumers this contains far superior early live >recordings. And this is only one example. > >Jerry Not to prolong this tedious thread, but this just is NOT a realistic concern with "The Posall and the Mosalm." The material it contains is very common and has been traded and bootlegged for many years. simon correctly pointed out that in fact this list has circulated a more complete and better sounding set of the same recordings. Someone did choose to re-bootleg this material recently, it appeared as a double CD called The Second Fret Sets. Not surprisingly, they used superior versions of the source tapes, not a scratchy old piece of vinyl like "Posall." And in the happy event that Joni chooses someday to release a retrospective of early live work, I doubt very seriously that a single fan will decide not to buy it because they have "The Posall And The Mosalm" in their collection. The sale of this old record will not cause cancer or threaten the republic. /Pat mailto:pmead@pacbell.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:33:09 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: The Boho Dance *wondering if anyone else noticed the similarities...* Joni: "....thats a boho dance. The poor artist is always contemptuous of the rich artist and there are a lot of good things to poke at, ya know... and it does corrupt some people. It depends on what you were motivated [by]... but Ive been poor and Ive been middle class, ya know..and Ive been very wealthy....none of those...you can be happy or unhappy in any financial situation." apostle Paul: "I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do everything through him who gives me strength." (Phil. 4:12.13) pat NP: Love - from WTRF http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:37:22 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: JoNi & eBaY In a message dated 6/23/1999 7:44:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net writes: << But we DID in this case, thanks to Jim's post, learn about the item in question, and thanks to simon, we saved our $ while learning something Joni related. >> We saved money this time but with 600 people on the list I know I won't be albe to afford the eBay prices anymore for I don't want to bid against friends from the list. Songbooks are already going for outrageous prices now with the entire list in on anything from eBay a songbooks selling for 50.00 could now easliy go for 150.00 plus. If we could come up wiht a system to give listers who bid first courtesy, then it would be fine with me. Yes, I have seen auctions go to astronomical prices that I could never ever afford. I am not selfish just poor! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:46:06 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: what's the joke? (Re: She went by Liki Peters... a girl named Mary Chris Moss...) colin wrote: >>I don't get why this funny. Am I missing something?>> colin is the only guy I know who laughs three times at every joke... once when he hears it... once when it's explained to him... and once when he get's it! *L* pat *ducking* Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:47:50 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Lyrics quiz I spent a lot of time racking my brain on this little quiz...and now I cant' remember who to send it to. Can anyone help? Reuben np: Joan Armatrading - Greatest Hits (The Weakness In Me) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:55:33 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Hissing: Worst Album? Joniphiles - Can anyone put this question to rest for me? Did Rolling Stone call Hissing the "worst album of the year" or the "worst album title of the year"? I've searched a number of articles on the website and, on at least three occasions, Joni does not deny or clarify when asked about her "worst album of the year" award. Does anyone have a copy of the actual article from Rolling Stone? Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:00:38 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: apology my apologiies to the list for not labeling NJC on my last post... sorry. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:01:02 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: blue fans From: andrew power Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:01:44 PDT Kim Beretta > << are there any other blue fans out there? >> yo! c'est moi as i rambled a couple of digests ago blue is my fave from joni's sonic palette (tasteless metaphor, granted) altho' other joni albums ('summer lawns and court'n'spark) have direct associations with a phase in my life - blue is more of a pedal note - its more permanent i'd be interested to know what was on in her life then - outside of the album's autobiography - are there any interviews/biogs on this period? other gafla that interestes me is - what was joni's take on punk and disco at the time? especially as punk hated everything joni appeared to represent - - the sex pistols had a fight with a band simply because their guitarist said he liked her drw ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:00:24 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: atrociuos joni covers From: andrew power Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:53:57 PDT >>I wonder what is the worst cover of a Joni song ever? My candidate has to >>be Nazareth's destruction of 'This Flight tonight'. If there are a lot of suggestions, perhaps tape tree 11 could be the tree from hell! :-) Is this a topic worthy of discussion?>> i'll tell you - ian mcshane's abomination of 'both side now' - which he actually had the gall/ignorance to name his album of shoddy covers sung all the same way - i.e. in the manner of someone with a half-octave range trying to remember the lyrics as he went along this feller's a two bit character actor in on brit tv, and he's meant to be a housewives' favourite - which probably accounts for his 'uncle sleeping over on the couch' demeanor (closet rage rage!) drw ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:03:07 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Hissing: Worst Album? I believe that Rolling Stone said that HOSL was the worst album cover (art work/packaging) of the year. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:08:27 EDT From: DreamZvil@aol.com Subject: Vinyl For Sale! Hello everybody, and Happy Wednesday! Just wanted to let you know that I have a sale list available of about 2/3'rds of my vinyl collection (about 3,000 LPs and 2,000 45s from the '50's on) - if you want a copy, just send a private e-mail telling me so! I will send it back as an e-mail attachment. We are having to "partially liquidate" because we are trying to save up a down payment for the house we're living in - we love it so much, we don't ever wanna leave! Thanks for letting me throw this out there on the list. Have a musical day! :) Keep the faith, Susan of Dreamzville ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:49:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: blue fans Drew asks: <> I'm only speaking from assumption, but ya' gotta figure if she mentions whiny white kids NOW, suffice to say that she also thought that "formula music" boring...the old man is snoring... No wonder she went WAY out in left field at the end of the seventies! But speaking for myself, I think "Never Mind The Bollocks" rocks, and I mean it, man!! Bob NPIMH: Sex Pistols, "God Save The Queen" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:42:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: blue fans Joni has made both positive and negative references with the use of the word punk. I think she liked the disco music of its era because it was a time she enjoyed partying and dancing at the clubs. Though, thankfully she never recorded either, like too many of the artists of the 70's. But I guess everyone has their Dog Eat Dog! Jerry On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > > > > Drew asks: > > < punk and disco at the time? especially as punk hated everything > joni appeared to represent - the sex pistols had a fight with a > band simply because their guitarist said he liked her>> > > I'm only speaking from assumption, but ya' gotta figure if she > mentions whiny white kids NOW, > suffice to say that she also thought that "formula music" > boring...the old man > is snoring... > > No wonder she went WAY out in left field at the end of the > seventies! > > But speaking for myself, I think "Never Mind The Bollocks" > rocks, and I mean it, man!! > > Bob > > NPIMH: Sex Pistols, "God Save The Queen" > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:35:44 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: You Are Your Car In a message dated 6/22/1999 1:24:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << What I find so refreshing about Taming The Tiger & Painting With Words & Music is Joni's stripped-down renditions of her complex chords & rhythms (they complain when it's too hot & they complain when it's too cool). Well >> I would agree with you very much so Eric. Joni has always played simple chords on the guitar. She just chnages tunings. It is her RHYTHM that is so hard to duplicate. I would not consider that basic and simple at all. I feel if anything her rhythms have gotten more complex which makes for very interesting interpretations! Cat.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:43:04 -0400 From: Kay_Ashley@ars.aon.com Subject: Hissing at Rolling Stone Hey! Out of the shadows.... Les, Stephen: Rolling Stone called "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" worst album name of the year of 1975; not worst album, and not worst album packaging. One can understand that an idiot like Wenner might not appreciate Joni's esoteric language, but even he is bright enough to recognize good graphic design when he sees it! :-) Les, I can't remember the exact Rolling Stone issue -- I don't have it -- but I did find it on microfiche in a library when I was in high school, and I distinctly remember reading that it was the title of the album they dissed. Joni's subsequent pouting about it, while completely understandable (given what a total bunch of asses the editorial staff at that rag is), is inaccurate. Kay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:47:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Hissing at Rolling Stone - --- Kay_Ashley@ars.aon.com wrote: > Joni's subsequent pouting about it, while > completely > understandable (given what a total bunch of asses > the editorial staff at > that rag is), is inaccurate. Yes, but it's also one of her greatest creations -- the urban legend! Long before PCs, www.anything or e-mail, Joni was spreading them! ;-) Talk about never getting credit ... Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:03:32 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: blue fans Drew asks: <>>>> I think that the two periods are very different in terms of whining, though. Punk was (is) not nearly as apathetic as of lot of "formula music" of today. Pearl Jam and Nirvana were whiny. The rage that punk translated into style is not translated the same way today. Contemporary pop-rage is sullen. I also think that lyrically, punk was much more direct and to the point and yes, at some times, even more eloquent. Some of the Sex Pistols and Siouxsie and the Banshees' (just to name two near and dear to me) early "punk" work was actually quite innovative and more interesting than just the wailing and pounding that many associate with punk. Reuben npimh: Banshees' "Suburban Relapse" "I'm sorry that I hit you, but my string snapped... I'm sorry I disturbed your cat nap. While finishing a chore, I asked myself 'what for?' And something snapped, I had a relapse A suburban relapse." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:03:32 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: blue fans Drew asks: <>>>> I think that the two periods are very different in terms of whining, though. Punk was (is) not nearly as apathetic as of lot of "formula music" of today. Pearl Jam and Nirvana were whiny. The rage that punk translated into style is not translated the same way today. Contemporary pop-rage is sullen. I also think that lyrically, punk was much more direct and to the point and yes, at some times, even more eloquent. Some of the Sex Pistols and Siouxsie and the Banshees' (just to name two near and dear to me) early "punk" work was actually quite innovative and more interesting than just the wailing and pounding that many associate with punk. Reuben npimh: Banshees' "Suburban Relapse" "I'm sorry that I hit you, but my string snapped... I'm sorry I disturbed your cat nap. While finishing a chore, I asked myself 'what for?' And something snapped, I had a relapse A suburban relapse." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:54:16 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Ebay Catgirl wrote: We saved money this time but with 600 people on the list I know I won't be albe to afford the eBay prices anymore for I don't want to bid against friends from the list. Songbooks are already going for outrageous prices now with the entire list in on anything from eBay a songbooks selling for 50.00 could now easliy go for 150.00 plus. If we could come up wiht a system to give listers who bid first courtesy, then it would be fine with me. I'm not sure if it would work or not, but maybe something like "onelist.com" which Catgirl has her "jonifans" list might be a solution. JMDLers who occassionally bid from eBay could post to a new list called JMDLeBay@onelist.com (or whatever name you wanted to use), and say they are bidding on a certain Joni item so others who were interested wouldn't bid against their fellow JMDLer. Probably a dumb idea, but just trying to think of some kind of solution to this problem. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:08:34 -0400 From: "Lisa Peakes" Subject: joni's take on punk & disco > > < punk and disco at the time? especially as punk hated everything > joni appeared to represent - the sex pistols had a fight with a > band simply because their guitarist said he liked her>> I wonder about this, too. I'm sure she keeps a finger on the pulse of contemporary music - I remember an (early '80's?) article where she said she liked the look of Cheap Trick (ever the aesthete - what else would you expect from someone who used to work in ladies' wear?) and thought well of Aimee Mann's work - but disco - did she think it had a "funky" sound? How about the Good-time-Charlie, party-'til-you-drop, self-involvement of the disco milieu? - Did she view punk as a melodic travesty? Or chuckle at its naive, unmitigated, sloppy rage? Sartorially speaking, there wasn't much to look at. Who can elaborate on what she's said about these types of music? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:12:56 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Mini-meet & greet Last night I enjoyed a great Joni-evening with fellow lister Catgirl & her husband. Catgirl was gracious enough to invite me up (or maybe she accepted my inviting myself) for some great food, and lots of Joni. They live in a beautiful little "village" north of Philly in a very cool quaint house full of, well, cats! We dined on pasta and some soy meatballs (Catgirl assured me that no cats had been harmed in the making of supper) and talked about Joni (of course),tape trees, discussion lists, and other stuff too. We watched some of the video tape trees and I really enjoyed that because a lot of that stuff I had never seen before. Then it was time to break out the guitars and the Joni songbooks! That was really a treat, Catgirl's old man is quite good and knows lots of Joni, and Catgirl is no slouch herself. Me, all I could do was sing and play the maracas (not real maracas, but shaky-fruit things that made noise). Our set list: Marcie Night In The City That Song About The Midway Conversation (Catgirl solo) Rainy Night House Amelia Coyote (with Mr. Catgirl adding Jaco-like flourishes from the bass string of his guitar) Night Ride Home Passion Play Big Yellow Taxi What a blast! I felt like a little kid at Christmastime. The only tough thing about the whole night was having to leave knowing that I had about a 45 minute drive to get back to my hotel, which turned in to an hour when I made a wrong turn, but all in all, no regrets coyote as far as I'm concerned. My thanks once again to the wonderful amazing Catgirl and her husband for all of their graciousness. What a joy and a blessing this list is! Whoo-Hoo! And it's already killing me that I'm not gonna make the July 1 NY Jazz show... Bob -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Henry writes ... >________________________________________________________________________ >no, to me the only Joni-cover worse than Dave Van Ronk's version of BSN >has GOT to be Dave Van Ronk's version of STAS >pat >________________________________________________________________________ Pat, i can understand where you're coming from but i'd point out that Joni has always *liked* Dave Van Ronk's version of "Both Sides, Now." he was one of Joni's early champions and also one of the first singers to perform the song. in the early days (before Joni's LPs) he was rather insistant that the title of the song was actually "Clouds." or at least that it should be. Joni called her 2nd LP "Clouds" (partially) in tribute/respect to Dave. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:33:37 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Sings Out! & BROADSIDE P.Henry writes ... >______________________________________________________________________ >hi gang, just thought I'd share a little more obscure info with y'all. >in 1950 a non-profit org, Sing Out! publications out of Bethlehem PA, >> formed for the preservation of American folk >music, began publishing Sing Out! magazine. > >this publication (along with The Boston Broadside) became the >'folkie bible' during the mid-60's 'folk boom', each issue containing >the sheet music to several songs, both contemporary and traditional, >articles on festivals, picking styles, instruments, protests, etc. and >ads where one could, among other things, contact the various agencies >(harold leventhal for example) and book working performers like >Judy Collins, Arlo Guthrie, Tom Paxton, Tom Rush, etc., which I >utilized in my days as 'entertainment mgr.' of the Cellar. > >______________________________________________________________________ Pat, i want to thank you for your recent post. i'd completely forgotten about those Sing Out! issues. now i'm gonna have to go thru some of the trunks and other cartons stored at my mothers' house this weekend. you're right about there being Joni content in several issues of The (Boston) Broadside. at least two issues that i know of. here's a little something that may be of interest to the JMDL. From: The BROADSIDE (Folk Music & Coffee House News) Vol. VI, #5 ~ April 26, 1967 "This Issue's Cover" JONI MITCHELL Hailed by the folk underground for over a year now, Joni Mitchell is just beginning to receive the acclaim due to her as a performer and songwriter from the general folk community. Although now based in Detroit, she was born in Alberta, Canada, and raised in the great northern prarielands of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Joni Anderson went to art school in Calgary and then went off to the Mariposa Folk Festival. Although she intended to return to art school, she found that she could get gigs in Totonto and decided to stay. She met Chuck Mitchell while she was working at the Penny Farthing; and a short time later, after a visit to his home and family, they decided to get married. They became an institution at the Chessmate Gallery in Detroit, where they met Tom Rush when he came to town. They put him up; and when Tom left he took with him a tape with a number of Joni's compositions. "The Urge For Going" soon became one of the most acclaimed songs in Tom's repertoire, and people began to ask who was this Joni Mitchell. "Urge..." is now number 9 on the C & W charts, as recorded by George Hamilton IV, and interest is running high in a number of other of Joni's songs. As a performer also, Joni Mitchell has been creating a good deal of excitement. Stunning performances at the Mariposa Folk Festival and at major folk clubs from Toronto to Miami have resulted in a growing audience. Her performances in Cambridge this month will be shared with Chuck Mitchell, who's exceptional versatility and unusual approach to material ranging from simple ballads to Brecht theatre songs should be one of the highlights of this season. ------------------------------------- Joni & Chuck appeared at the Club 47 in Cambridge on April 28 & 29, 1967. also included in this issue is one of Joni's early songs. BRANDY EYES Eyes that send me chasing after feelings that I lost one day. why befriend me when the brandy tells me what they want to say? Playing big protector is a grand disguise. 'til you contradict yourself with brandy eyes. No beginning -- still no end to let me shrug and walk away. Silly grinning, teasing talk that promises a kiss some day. I would put you out of mind if I were wise. But wisdom has no power over brandy eyes. Maybe I'm wrong if I am please pardon me and pat my head. Sing an old song sing of one more foolish heart that's being misled. Take the points for winning and donate the prize, and keep on a-scoring with those brandy eyes. (c) 1966 Gandalf Publishing Co. BTW: Joni Anderson and Chuck Mitchell were married in June '65 in the backyard of Chuck's parents home in Rochester, Mi. take it easy, but take it! - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:40:14 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Ebay In a message dated 6/23/99 5:17:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Surely the idea of an auction is that something goes to the highest bidder? if one is bidding against another member of the Jonilist it is called life! >> Excuse my french, but I could really give a rat's ass about eBay but it does seem to be a concern amongst some of the listers. I was just trying to come up with a solution for those who are concerned about bidding against their friends. My apologies for trying! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:39:46 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: A Legend Hissing at Rolling Stone ;~D Don Rowe wrote: > Yes, but it's also one of her greatest creations -- > the urban legend! Long before PCs, www.anything or > e-mail, Joni was spreading them! ;-) Talk about never > getting credit ... Here! Here! :~) By the california amber invested in me and Askew Creek I hereby knight Joni the greatest legend maker/makest beyond time...hissing or not Pssssssssst...babe; whip out your loaded pen so I can bless it ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-who after recently thumbing through her first ever Rolling Stone could not get Heart's song "Magazine" out of her head... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:39:29 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni lith on eBay In a message dated 6/23/99 11:25:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: > > As Kakki mentioned a while back, one of Joni's liths, entitled "The > Road To Uncle Lyles" was up on eBay, starting at $4900. It's now down > to $900. The bidding STARTS at $900. He has a reserve on it and that price may still be $4900 or something near that. Doing it this way he might at least get some bids and although he may not get his reserve, he'll have someone to possibly negotiate with for it. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:36:34 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: joni's take on punk & disco Lisa wrote: <<>> I'm sure she doesn't. Her opinions on it often seem quite glib to me. My guess is her thoughts on both punk and disco were not too positive. - --Michael NP: De La Soul, "Potholes in My Lawn" (on imagineradio.com--love this website!!!) - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:12:41 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: Book club interest? Hi all-- Les has graciously (as always) agreed to host a small listserv for interested JMDLers to form a book club via email discussion. Before I volunteer to host such a list, I wanted to gauge the interest. If you'd like to read a book every month or so (perhaps even some related to Joni--even tangentially) and discuss it with fellow JMDLers, drop me a short note. Thanks! - --Michael NP: Rufus Wainwright, "In My Arms" (on imagineradio right after Frankie Goes to Hollywood--it's Queer Pride at imagineradio.com! :-) ) NR: Jean Genet, _Funeral Rites_ - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:14:55 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni and Ebay Oh dear! You obviously interpreted this as an insult to yourself. It wasn't written with that in mind at all. FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/23/99 5:17:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: > > << Surely the idea of an auction is that something goes to the highest bidder? > if one is bidding against another member of the Jonilist it is called life! > >> > > Excuse my french, but I could really give a rat's ass about eBay but it does > seem to be a concern amongst some of the listers. I was just trying to come > up with a solution for those who are concerned about bidding against their > friends. > My apologies for trying! > > Jimmy - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:35:48 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni and Ebay catman wrote: > Surely the idea of an auction is that something goes to the highest bidder? > if one is bidding against another member of the Jonilist it is called life! I agree and would prefer the rather long Ebay lists stay off of jmdl; whoever wants to can check Ebay themselves. RR ps I also agree with CatGirl that the prices for Joni stuff on Ebay are getting ridiculous. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:11:00 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: JONI under the covers simon wrote: >>Pat, i can understand where you're coming from but i'd point out that Joni has always *liked* Dave Van Ronk's version of "Both Sides, Now." he was one of Joni's early champions and also one of the first singers to perform the song. in the early days (before Joni's LPs) he was rather insistent that the title of the song was actually "Clouds." or at least that it should be. Joni called her 2nd LP "Clouds" (partially) in tribute/respect to Dave.>> simon, all, of course, quite accurate and historically correct. (and I'm so grateful to you for being there and all your meticulous work in keeping the record straight!) remember, *I was there* "in the early days (before Joni's LPs)" and I know. Dave was/is a legend in the folk world and, I can tell you, at the time he was among the most highly respected performers around... I mean, his Verve/Folkways pre '61 anthology is archived in the Smithsonian! I can see where Joni felt greatly honoured that he chose to play her songs, especially since he was one of the first. it's just that, by the time he recorded the two songs, IMO, he'd pretty much lost his voice and and to me they sounded awful. even in his heyday, prior to '61, again, IMHO, he always sounded a lot better on blues than on ballads. anyway, thanks for the info, though I already knew that and more. keep up the good work, simon... you're great! pat NP: The Other Side Of This Life - Fred Neil http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #91 ***************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. 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