From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #68 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, June 7 1999 Volume 01 : Number 068 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni moment [catman ] Re: JTOTM (thanks David!) ["Kakki" ] Re: detuning question [Marian Russell ] So Far Away [Leslie Mixon ] feel like a joni novice [katej ] Re: meetings [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Carey Comments and Question on TTT/Cut TTT [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Why so many don't post [picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith)] All good things joni come to those who wait ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: Devil's chord and devil's interval (JC added) [Randy Remote ] Below tbe Bible Belt [Michael Paz ] Joni's master tapes safe [Randy Remote ] Re: All good things joni come to those who wait [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni's master tapes safe ["Kakki" ] RE: Joni's master tapes safe ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: radio station LJC [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: All good things joni come to those who wait [RMuRocks@aol.com] Case Of You Question- Stop the Presses [TerryM2442@aol.com] This Is Not Your Mother's Joni ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: luck & Album covers [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni's master tapes safe ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Case Of You Question- Stop the Presses [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Case Of You Question- Stop the Presses [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni's master tapes safe [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Case Of You Question- Stop the Presses [Janet Hess Subject: Joni moment Just been to gym-saw a car with number plate J???MOA. MOA was the 2nd Joni I bought. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:53:03 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JTOTM (thanks David!) Pat wrote: >Joni's music was *always* deep and original and so intense that the confines of popular music could >barely comprehend, much less, contain the dynamics of what she heard in her heart... but she was >patient with us in her quiet way. she became folkie earth mother to the 60's and called her own out >with a lyric and a song the likes of which we had only dreamed about and began leading us into light, >as it were I like the way you put this, Pat, and would really like to see this sentiment voiced in the next tribute speech to her! ;-) > hey, take it or leave it, jazz is the only idiom that does her dynamic range of thoughts and emotions >and sounds, arranged as has never been done before, justice... in fact, I defy anyone to name a >better jazz composer in this day and time and, although I am not enough of a musician to judge, (and >perhaps some of the better trained listers can speak better on it, but) I would even venture forth the >speculation that her music, especially as expressed on her more recent albums, may even transcend >jazz! I think she has always transcended jazz, even though jazz elements run throughout a lot of her work. I think she has created her own genre in music and it is not an easy one for others to replicate. David is to be commended for his courage in taking on the project and executing it with such style and excellence. >She has taken her own path and, fortunately for us, as she has grown and transcended, soaring on >the waves of mind and beauty, she has been so kind as to take us with her and the life of sacrifice >she gave us was to our good and enrichment. While some may see her life as being privileged and charmed, I do believe she has sacrificed and suffered much to bring us her music. She could have sold out years ago and rode along with what sold and was popular and had a much easier time of it (at least on the surface). But she defied any temptation to do that and stubbornly and courageously took the much more lonely road of following her own heart and vision. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:25:14 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: detuning question On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:04:36 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" wrote: > OK...quick question. I found the great website where there are all the > detunings for joni songs...and I have worked out several of them. But > I was wondering whether there is a site to describe where one puts > ones fingers once the guitar is detuned? Or have all you clever > guitarists just figured it out for yourselves? Moi not so > clever...someone sent me the 'finger placement' things for Peoples > Parties, but I just wanted to know if there's a whole lot of > instructions floating around out there? > The best place for Joni's tabs is Sue McNamara's Guitar Files at: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/ Nearly all of Joni's guitar songs have been transcribed and can be found there. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:15:19 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: So Far Away Helen wrote: "Yet again I'm reminded what a pain it is to live so far away from other Joni-lovers!" This week, our local entertainment newpaper here in Santa Cruz had this on the front page: "We've Got To Get Ourselves Back To The Garden" Well now, if we put two and two together, it's time to create the Joni commune. We can all give up our "...name on the door on the 33rd floor in the air.." our mortgages, our car payments, etc. and create a 365 day a year Joni content only Woodstock. They say the 90s is the 60s standing on your head. "Dream on dreamer" Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 10:47:11 -0600 From: katej Subject: feel like a joni novice Yes I do, but I love her music as much as anyone. Sometimes the 'musical' aspects of the conversations here are way above my head, as I am not a musician, but I love to hear Joni anecdotes and how Joni's music has fitted into everyone else's life. I keep an online journal, and there are the odd times when I feel empty of anything to say. When that happens, I just put on a Joni cd to solve the problem instantly, because I am immediately filled with emotion so intense that it just has to find its way out. Some day I am going to participate in the tape tree thing. It sounds wonderful -- a whole new world is going to open up to me, isn't it? Right now, there is a shortage of $ in my home, and cassettes and postage are a luxury I can't afford. But these things pass, and someday.... Sorry to see we have lost a member. I don't know who the person was, but it has made me pause and think about how quickly we can be taken from this world. Enjoy every moment you have here. Kate of the North np:NRH http://www.emailjournal.com/journals/diary/seeabove001.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:54:40 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: meetings In a message dated 6/5/99 7:09:25 PM Central Daylight Time, TheHotelNH@aol.com writes: << I'm in AL...have we any other southerners? I'm kind of new to the list, so how about southern meet and greets? I'd even love to go to one out on the west coast. >> Chris, when you do travel be sure a give a "heads up", you may just strike JMDL gold and hook up with JMDLer's in that area. The closest thing we've had to a Southern Meet n' Greet is when a bunch of us from TN, FL, SC & Ga met in Atlanta prior to seeing Joni's birthday show. I'd love for someone to put together another Southern get-together, of course for the time being Ashara's is party central! In other joni-related stories, my wife and I were out dining last night at a fine restaurant when she identified "This Flight Tonight" and told me they were playing Joni...as it turned out, they played the entire Blue album, unfortunately it was down so low it was hard to hear. But still, pretty cool! Also, in the new BMG magazine, there's a great quarter-page review of TTT with a blow-up pic of the cover. It says: "On the heels of her Grammy-winning "Turbulent Indigo", Joni Mitchell has once again raised the bar for emotional, intelligent songwriting. "Taming The Tiger" explores her soul's atmospheric range. Mitchell's gently smokey voice, though still limber, smolders along the blue neck of her guitar in Love Puts On a New Face. The textured Harlem in Havana grooves with stifled Latin percussive urges. And on the simple, romantic The Crazy Cries of Love, Joni shimmies her magnificent voice into hidden corners of the sonic spectrum. This is not your mother's Joni, but it wouldn't be like this quixotic innovator to stand still for long - Reviewed by Harris Poor" Very nice, although from what I understand about BMG, if someone picks up a disc as a "free" selection, the artist receives little or no royalties as a result of the licensing agreement. Anyway, maybe some new folks will pick up on TTT with this nice feature review... Bob NP: Stones, "Crazy Mama" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:53:19 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Carey Comments and Question on TTT/Cut TTT > Debbe in Birmingham (AL) posted: I could relate to what Catgirl said on > yesterday's or today's post. > Though I read the list every day, I have hesitated to post (though I > have sent posts to JMDL individuals) for fear of saying something stupid > or asking something stupid and being ridiculed, because I have read some > responses that I felt were brutally insensitive. > Debbe, it was for that reason that I lurked here for many months before my first post. Now I am on here maybe too much, but every time someone does gets blasted, and it happens, unfortunately, they get support many times over, fortunately. People here have a real sense of community, so trust that fans of Joni will be good people and you are most welcome here as part of the nonstop Joni party! Meanwhile, I have no clue as to Anna in TTT. I often have no clue to anything... but as Joni said, "life is for learning" and here is a good place for it. I am sure someone else will have some insights into Anna. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:20:32 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #22 Hi there, Some records take a little more time to get to you, than others do : Carol Elliott - The People I Meet ( Taxim Records ) is such a record. It landed in my mailbox several weeks ago, but it's just in the latest couple of days that it have started to get my attention! Carol Elliott's clear, penetrating voice and songwriting intelligence place her her in the forefront of folk music's singer-songwriters. You can easily place her beside such legendary artists as Nanci Griffiths, Emmylou Harris and Lucinda Williams, and her singing and songwriting holds up real well. An Atlanta native, Elliott started performing during her summer breaks from college at Stone Mountain Park in Georgia and Opryland USA in Tennessee. After graduating with a degree in English she moved to San Fransisco. There for a traditionally raised southern belle, she began the unlikely career of street singer with occasional opening slots for David Crosby and John Hammond at the Great American Music Hall. Elliott moved to Nashvillle to seriously pursue her songwriting. Her first major cut was with Michael Martin Murphy. The song "Corn, Water & Wood" ( co-written with Wendy Waldman ) won the Wrangler Award from the National Cowboy Hall Of Fame for Best Western Song Of The Year. Her new album, "The People I Meet", features her own original songs plus songs by Mark Germino and Walter Hyatt. Backing is provided by Buddy Mondlock, Steve Gibson, Victor Krauss, Pat McInerney, Byron House, Bill Miller and others. For copies of this beautiful album, please write : Taxim Records Am Dobben 3 273 30 Asendorf Germany Email: versand@taxim.com Website: http://www.taxim.com Great album by a great artist! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith) Subject: Re: Why so many don't post My main reason for not posting is lack of time anymore. There is another reason, however and I'm wondering how many of the old-timers will agree with this. I came to the JMDL about six months after its inception, and at the time, Joni was not touring, and had no plans for touring...ever. There was a feeling of melancholy of Joni sightings, Joni concerts, and the like. Everything was always referred to in the past-tense. It was actually painful to publicly express hope that Joni would ever give a concert again. We always referred to it as a snowball's chance in you-know-where. But as painful as it was, we never gave up hope. Then one day, one of Joni's friends found our list and was extremely touched and moved about heartfelt things that were being said about Joni. She heard our desperate cry for her to perform live again and how much we all truly loved her. Connections were finally made, and many of us had our deepest heart's desires fulfilled. For many of us, it was a turning point in our lives; we were able to move on. It's not that we love Joni and her music less; it's just that we've found a way to incorporate her into our own dreams and desires. She restored our faith by showing us that she really does care, and that WE are the ones she really writes for. I still listen to and love her music. It's just that now, all those years of soulsearching with her music as a guide has brought me full circle to the place I am today. The JMDL is much stronger and more whole than it's ever been. That is what happens when people come together to realize a dream. At times, it was extremely painful, and some of you have recently experienced similar feelings while being a part of this group. But when all is said and done...I wouldn't have missed this ride for the world. Sherelle P.S. Very saddened to hear about Mel Torme. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:09:48 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: All good things joni come to those who wait What a weekend it has been for this joni fan.....the one down under, who constantly complains about being so far away from all things joni... Of course I went to that fantastic joni tribute concert, but then another joni surprise came my way yesterday: Lazy Sunday afternoon, nothing much to do, my boyfriend and I go for a drive - - now i don't know about the US, but in Australia we have 'council clean up days' where u put your old junk on the street for the local government to pick up and take to the dump - so we are checking out some trash (as u do??) and we find old record players and lamps and candle sticks, nothing too exciting.....BUT then we stumble across four boxes full of old records....and the first one I pull out of the masses is BLUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I reckon there would have been over 200 records - eight joni's - blue, hejira, WTRF, FTR, CAS, Clouds, Miles.., LOTC. YAY YAY YAY This is after hours spent searching thru record piles in op-shops, going to record stores, craving joni records, finding a few, wanting heaps more. The piles of records also included the complete Led Zepplin collection, Pink Floyd, Simon and Garfunkel, Neil Young, Crosby Still and Nash, Janis Ian, Carol King, The Beatles collection, all the Rolling Stone albums....and the list goes on. And I finally got to see that James Taylor album cover (with the cat braces that joni made him) that I have heard discussed on the list....how cool is that. What a JONI weekend it has been for me...the sad thing about our wonderful "find" was that it made me wonder why someone would throw out so much stuff, along side the records were suit cases full of photos of family, graduation ceremonies, trips around the world....who's belongings were these, did they die? was there a terrible divorce...can't help but wonder. But at least their wonderful albums are truely being treasured! Thoughts from Ange Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:09:33 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: radio station Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:14:43 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Just found a site where you can put together your own radio station. Mine, for example has a mixture of jazz, Bruce Cockburn, lots of Joni and more..... listen here http://www.imagineradio.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=slarty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:20:57 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Devil's chord and devil's interval (JC added) While the 'home' chord in Purple Haze is, indeed an E7+9, the FIRST chord in the song-the intro-is 'stacked tritones': Bb-E-Bb-E This chord contains an amazing three tritones-very devilish! I also agree with Howard that the churchs' prohibition was against the flat 5th interval, although I recently saw a reference by a heavy metal band to "the devil chord of Monteverdi", but have been unable to find out any more about it. RR FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Howard Wright wrote: > > >>Jime Hendrix's intro to Purple Haze is maybe the most famous use of the > >>tritone. > > Actually, Jimi's Purple Haze chord is an augmented ninth, also called a sharp > nine chord, which is a dominant seventh chord with a raised (also termed > sharped or augmented) ninth added on top (see David Lahm's elucidation on the > F7#9-no root chord, although Purple Haze is in E). The "zing" of that pungent > chord comes from the simultaneous major third and minor third eleven > half-steps above (which is the raised ninth). > > True, there is also a tritone within the chord consisting of the major third > and the dominant seventh, but as Howard rightly points out, this interval is > in every run-of-the-mill dominant seventh chord and is not especially crunchy. > > By way of relating this all to Joni, that augmented ninth chord makes several > appearances in the Charlie Mingus chestnut Goodbye Porkpie Hat. > > -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:28:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Guitar Page Ange- Go here, but beware you will probably develop a severe but quite healthy and beautiful addiction. People have been known to miss work and forget everything else, for the sheer joy of learning another Joni tuning and song. When you get tired of tuning and tuning you can purchase a VG-8 and store all your tunings in its memory. http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/ Happy learning. And sign up for the Labor Day Joni Jam at Ashara's. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:29:09 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Below tbe Bible Belt Hi Chris- Welcome to the list. I am in New Orleans and have met several of our list members coming through town and even some that live here. Let me know if you plan to visit town and we can get together. BTW I love the book Hotel New Hampshire. Best, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 15:49:08 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni's master tapes safe The master tapes to all of Joni's pre '90's albums were recorded on defective tape, and were in danger of deteriorating beyond usability, but apparently have been saved. The problem affects MOST of the recorded popular music of that period, due to a defective binder formula used by Ampex, by far the most widely used brand of recording tape at that time (they are now Quantegy). This comes from Billboard 6/5/99, which also ran a picture of Joni with Stevie Wonder and ASCAP's Marilyn Bergman (the same pic is on ASCAP's website): (excerpted) INDUSTRY'S CATALOG AT RISK Archived Tapes Could Be Lost To Binder Problem An estimated 500,000 master tapes, backup "safety" copies, and session reels recorded from about 1971 to 1991 are sitting on the shelves of U.S. record company and recording studio vaults in unplayable condition because of a chemical flaw in their binder formulation. Among these unstable tapes is the majority of the industry's albums and singles of that era-perhaps 85% of all releases, according to industry sources. The music on these tapes is the most exploitable of all company catalog material.... The unstable binder of these half million tapes is the layer that holds the recordable oxide material to the plastic polyurethane base. Over time, it takes on excess moisture from the air, rising to the surface of the tape in a sticky or shedding state. If these tapes are played without first being heated, or "baked," to restabilize the binder, they are permanently damaged or ruined... The process is time-consuming. Each tape must be heated for about eight hours. Several more hours are required to set up a real-time transfer. To put the problem in perspective, if a crew of six engineers, working an eight-hour shift, attempted to stabilize and transfer every one of the industry's at-risk tapes, it would take them 17 years.... The list of artists whose recordings are on sticky-shed tape would fill this entire page.... .....Not surprisingly, seven of the eight artists who have received Billboard's Century Award for distinguished creative achievement- Billy Joel, James Taylor, Joni Mitchell, Buddy Guy, Santana, Chet Atkins, and Emmylou Harris-are among the thousands whose tapes have deteriorated....[George Harrison] recorded on EMI tape, which doesn't have the problem.... [Joe Gastwirt, chief engineer at the Los Angeles-based Gateway Mastering] also had to bake "all of Joni Mitchell's pre 90's tape," as well as "Fleetwood Mac's 70's and 80's pop stuff" and "virtually everything after 1970" for the Grateful Dead. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:17:09 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: All good things joni come to those who wait In a message dated 6/6/1999 6:12:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: << What a JONI weekend it has been for me...the sad thing about our wonderful "find" was that it made me wonder why someone would throw out so much stuff, along side the records were suit cases full of photos of family, graduation ceremonies, trips around the world....who's belongings were these, did they die? was there a terrible divorce...can't help but wonder. But at least their wonderful albums are truely being treasured! >> Sydney, Congratualtions on your AWESOME find!!! It was meant to be is what I say!!! I just got real lucky this week myself. I was able to get two Joni songbooks at great prices over this past week. Thanks to all who did not bet against me on these. I had the joni Complete Vol one but it is really in tatters so I am thrilled to be getting one that is in much better shape. The Court and Spark Songbook is one I don't have but have longed for. This one is supposed to be in great condition. One of the things I learned is never give up the search!! Bob and Brain and I were down on South Street in Philadelphia Pennsylvania and we found some Joni on vinyl for 4 bucks each. We bought STAS and Mingus for the give-a-ways. The thing about albums that I LOVE so much is that you can actually see the cover. STAS cover is so beautiful!!! It is worthy of framing!! It sounds like the person who left this stuff out must have gone crazy. I mean who in their right mind would ever get rid of their old Joni albums??? Catgirl...keeping her vinyl album covers in plastic bags to protect the covers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:11:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's master tapes safe Randy wrote: > The master tapes to all of Joni's pre '90's albums were recorded > on defective tape, and were in danger of deteriorating beyond > usability, but apparently have been saved. > The process is time-consuming. Each tape must be heated for > about eight hours. Several more hours are required to set up a > real-time transfer. Geez, this is scary. The old tapes I made years ago are all for the most part deteriorated but I'd always assumed that the professionals in the industry were vigilant in keeping master tapes well-preserved. I'm glad they thought of a solution before it was too late (and seemed to have put Joni at the top of the priority list). The Baking of Summer Lawns ;-) Kakki, heating up the oven for her old 8-tracks ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:57:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's master tapes safe kakki, it is imperative that you get your tapes copied on to cd. tapes DO get ruined beyond hope. i am paying someone to copy my old tapes, especially those with the songs that i wrote and recorded when i was a teenager. only recently did i discover that i still had them and i took that as a sign. i wouldn't even know how to play -- much less how to reach the high notes!!! -- if i tried now. get hold of your old gems, kakki. wallyk - -----Original Message----- De: Kakki Para: Randy Remote ; JoniList Fecha: Domingo 6 de Junio de 1999 17:37 Asunto: Re: Joni's master tapes safe >Geez, this is scary. The old tapes I made years ago are all for the most >part deteriorated but I'd always assumed that the professionals in the >industry were vigilant ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:27:34 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Others Don't Post I wanted to respond to Penny's (Zapuppy) post entitled "Why Others Don't Post" earlier but I accidentally deleted it, twice! Yeeeeesh. Either my mouse is ultra-sensitive these days or I am just plain klutzy. Anyway, I wanted to quote from it but since I can't I wanted to say how much I appreciated such a sincere and honest portrayal of what it feels like to be a member of a list and the considerations which go into the whole "to post or not to post" thought process. Penny is the first friend I made on the list and I can't thank her enough for the encouragement and support she has provided me in regard to my participation. If it wasn't for Penny, I may not have had the courage or self-confidence to stick it out here. It's always hard for me in a new situation and it takes a long time for me to feel comfortable enough to be truly myself. Thanks Penny, you're my JMDL guardian angel !! Take care, Gina NP: my daughter practicing the flute ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:57:26 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Others Don't Post In a message dated 6/6/1999 9:32:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << I may not have had the courage or self-confidence to stick it out here. It's always hard for me in a new situation and it takes a long time for me to feel comfortable enough to be truly myself. Thanks Penny, you're my JMDL guardian angel !! >> Well this surprised me Gina!! You always have such intelligent things to say. I find myself quite often shaking my head in agreement of what you have to offer. If being here on the lists does that much transformation I guess I am here until they plant me in the dirt..... Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:48:17 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: luck & Album covers Congratulations on your songbook finds, love a bargain! Looks like it really was a "joni" luck week. I agree that STAS is the most beautiful album cover - I love the colours and the movement in it, and the tricky way joni has added words into the picture. But I must say that my favourite album cover would have to be Clouds....she's just beautiful, isn't she, and she does those self portraits so well. I love Hejira too - she's gorgeous! (My boyfriend says my love for joni is rather unhealthy?? oh well) Ange Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:45:56 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: radio station LJC In a message dated 6/6/99 6:14:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Slarty writes: << Just found a site where you can put together your own radio station. >> What a gem of a site! I'm listening to Crazy Cries right now! This is great, Ken. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:48:41 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: All good things joni come to those who wait In a message dated 6/6/99 5:12:51 PM Central Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: << the sad thing about our wonderful "find" was that it made me wonder why someone would throw out so much stuff, along side the records were suit cases full of photos of family, graduation ceremonies, trips around the world....who's belongings were these, did they die? was there a terrible divorce...can't help but wonder. >> Ange, first I'm SOOO glad you got to see the Joni-show and I loved your write-up. Second, I felt led to respond to your observation about the stuff on the curb. When my Mom died 10 years ago, my sister & I gathered up all her clothing and other personal effects that we didn't want and took them to the Salvation Army - it just so happened in Raleigh a hurricane had touched down and lots of people were without, so our donation was very timely. As my Mom (who we affectionately called "Saint Shirley") was very altruistic, we felt like she was smiling down on our efforts. Then came the tough stuff - I think Mom saved every drawing, every Mother's Day card, every silly certificate that we 3 kids ever got or gave. It was just too hard for Dad to have all that around anymore, he pulled some, we each pulled some, and we boxed the rest and put it on the curb. The next day, I just happened to be outside when the trash truck came by, picked up those boxes of her greatest lifetime treasures, and threw in the back like it was nothing - that moment remains the saddest thing I've ever experienced. And maybe it helps to answer your question...you know, every picture has its shadows, and it has some source of light...so enjoy those records, they were probably someone's greatest treasures, and now they get to be yours. Bob NP: "River" Live from >^..^< PS - Catgirl, I'm glad you got your songbooks! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:09:39 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Case Of You Question- Stop the Presses I'm getting brave now that so many of you have been supportive during my Joni Soul Bearing Episode. Here's my question- I attend a professional conference every year and always partake in the talent show, offering up a song or two of Joni- on piano, since I'm too scared to bring my guitar to these things. Last year I played For Free and Willy. I've been dying to play A Case of You (on piano, yes it can work) but need to know something. Do you lyric experts think that Joni's reference to drinking a "case of you" goes beyond the surface of drinking up true love? I mean, er, how do I say this...HELP ME..umm...is she talking about some graphic sex here? I don't want to embarrass the hell out of myself in front of my colleagues. Be gently now. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:15:55 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: This Is Not Your Mother's Joni RMuRocks@aol.com shared BMG's latest review: "On the heels of her Grammy-winning "Turbulent Indigo", Joni Mitchell has once again raised the bar for emotional, intelligent songwriting. "Taming The Tiger" explores her soul's atmospheric range. Mitchell's gently smokey voice, though still limber, smolders along the blue neck of her guitar in Love Puts On a New Face. The textured Harlem in Havana grooves with stifled Latin percussive urges. And on the simple, romantic The Crazy Cries of Love, Joni shimmies her magnificent voice into hidden corners of the sonic spectrum. This is not your mother's Joni, but it wouldn't be like this quixotic innovator to stand still for long - Reviewed by Harris Poor" Thank you for sharing this Bob! What a fantastic review!! "This is not your mother's Joni" is so funny & true. Harris Poor really gets it.... E.T. NP: The Quest Of Joni (a CD I burned last night: Paprika Plains Otis & Marlena Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Amelia The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey In France They Kiss on Main Street (live) Love Passion Play Slouching Towards Bethlehem Borderline Stay In Touch Tiger Bones) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:25:40 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: luck & Album covers In a message dated 6/6/1999 10:51:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ATAKATS@ninenet.com.au writes: << Congratulations on your songbook finds, love a bargain! Looks like it really was a "joni" luck week. I agree that STAS is the most beautiful album cover - I love the colours and the movement in it, and the tricky way joni has added words into the picture. But I must say that my favourite album cover would have to be Clouds....she's just beautiful, isn't she, and she does those self portraits so well. I love Hejira too - she's gorgeous! (My boyfriend says my love for joni is rather unhealthy?? oh well) Ange Sydney >> You mean to tell me that putting a women on a pedstal is unhealthy? YIKES, since I was 13 I guess I have been unhealthy and it is getting worse!!! Now that I am finding all these rare finds am on on a Joni HIGH!!! WHOO-HOOO! Catigirl NP: My old man from James and Joni 1970 BBC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:30:38 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni's master tapes safe Randy Remote wrote: << The master tapes to all of Joni's pre '90's albums were recorded on defective tape, and were in danger of deteriorating beyond usability, but apparently have been saved. The problem affects MOST of the recorded popular music of that period, due to a defective binder formula used by Ampex, by far the most widely used brand of recording tape at that time.... >> This is scary! Leonardo had the same problem with his paint mix.... I've heard that unless you buy gold CDs they will deteriorate in 10 years. Is this a capitalist conspiracy or what? E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:30:59 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Case Of You Question- Stop the Presses In a message dated 99-06-06 23:13:46 EDT, TerryM2442@AOL.COM writes: > Do you lyric experts think that Joni's reference to drinking >a "case of you" goes beyond the surface of drinking up true love? I mean, er, > >how do I say this...HELP ME..umm...is she talking about some graphic sex >here? I don't want to embarrass the hell out of myself in front of my >colleagues. > > Surely it could, it could - almost anyone given a bit of effort can fashion a cigar out of a puddle of water. (I think of my brother Leo who could look at Spaghetti-O's and point out something graphic...). This song is personally special to me and her rendition of it on the Joni/James tapes is so incredible. I see it as far more sensual and emotionally connecting than graphic sex. Ever touch a lover and the touch is not enough? You feel that connection pouring in through your pores and your heart and soul is drinking it up. The flow of connection becomes almost ceremonial, the wine becomes holy. No amount is too much. No gag factor there! Just a Wow! at the power and an awe at its stength. MG np: Joni/James concert: "A Case of You" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:41:30 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Case Of You Question- Stop the Presses In a message dated 6/6/1999 11:13:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@AOL.COM writes: << I've been dying to play A Case of You (on piano, yes it can work) but need to know something. Do you lyric experts think that Joni's reference to drinking a "case of you" goes beyond the surface of drinking up true love? I mean, er, how do I say this...HELP ME..umm...is she talking about some graphic sex here? I don't want to embarrass the hell out of myself in front of my colleagues. Be gently now. Terry >> I say PLAY YOUR HEART OUT BABY!!!! I think it will sound wonderful and I would not feel embarressed in the least..of course that is just my opinion and I could be wrong ;) Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:54:43 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's master tapes safe In a message dated 6/6/1999 11:32:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << << The master tapes to all of Joni's pre '90's albums were recorded on defective tape, and were in danger of deteriorating beyond usability, but apparently have been saved. The problem affects MOST of the recorded popular music of that period, due to a defective binder formula used by Ampex, by far the most widely used brand of recording tape at that time.... >> This is scary! Leonardo had the same problem with his paint mix.... I've heard that unless you buy gold CDs they will deteriorate in 10 years. Is this a capitalist conspiracy or what? E.T. >> Tell me about it. I originally bought all these cheap Cd's thinking they are all the same. Well these cheap ones do not work in my CD player in my car. They work in my Cd player at home. I was told (listen up gang interesting info) that certain CD-R's work only in high end CD players or real cheap ones. The mid range CD players won't play cheap CD-r's. I also heard that a certain chemical called Phytalo-cyanine which is usaully in the gold (ask when you buy ask if it is this or just cyanine) will last forever. The other ones only last roughly 10 years. So if you are going through the trouble of making stuff into Cd's it would be wise to buy high quality Cd-R's for archive material and then cheap-o ones for everyday recordings. Of course this is just my opinion, I may be wrong. Catgirl...turning into Cd-women ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:08:17 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Case Of You Question- Stop the Presses I agree that drinking up "a case of you" can extend in all sorts of directions. One night a few years back I found myself telling a friend that I thought this was one of Joni's most spiritual songs. At the time, I pointed to the tradition in Sufi poetry and mystical writings to refer to intoxication with God and God's love as just that: intoxication. I can drink a case of you and still be on my feet: Kabir, maybe? :) At 11:09 PM 6/6/1999 EDT, TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: Do you lyric experts think that Joni's reference to drinking >a "case of you" goes beyond the surface of drinking up true love? I mean, er, >how do I say this...HELP ME..umm...is she talking about some graphic sex >here? I don't want to embarrass the hell out of myself in front of my >colleagues. > >Be gently now. >Terry > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:50:16 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Devil's chord and devil's interval (JC added) In a message dated 6/6/99 5:22:07 PM, guitarzan@saber.net wrote: >While the 'home' chord in Purple Haze is, indeed an E7+9, the >FIRST chord in the song-the intro-is 'stacked tritones': > Bb-E-Bb-E That is correct. - -Fred ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #68 ***************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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