From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #64 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 064 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni - Paul Simon - World Music [IVPAUL42@aol.com] HOSL Tape ["Kakki" ] that weird minor chord in joni's music [patrick leader ] MOJO news [pattihaskins@mindspring.com] Re: Me & Julio and the JUNGLE LINE [Dflahm@aol.com] lyrically challenged ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics [TreyCozy@aol.com] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:24:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics > "Your notches liberation doll" is the correct lyric. This is a song about > a drunken brawl between two lovers. The line before it reads: > > A room full of glasses > > and then he says to her ... > > "Your notches -- liberation doll" > > notches referring to the marks on a gunslinger's Colt 45 from all the men > he's killed. > > Translation: Don't tell me I'm drunk, bitch -- those empty glasses are > yours, not mine!! And don't give me any of that women's lib crap!! Thank you, Sue! This is exactly what I was trying to say. The glasses are the notches referred to. It is GREAT to have you back, by the way! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:52:49 PDT From: John Low Subject: Heresy/Blue I am a little behind in responding to Rev. Vince's "Heresy" post but I can't resist a short reflection on "Blue". This album was where I began my Joni journey. I bought it in London in the early 1970s and by the time I returned to Australia I was a confirmed Joniphile. The music seemed to express some of the loneliness I felt at the time, a long way from home and missing my girlfriend. But, like Rev. Vince, I don't recall ever regarding it as a particularly "depressing" album. I especially loved "Carey" (and still do) and remember hearing it on the radio in the north of Scotland and defending it in a lively discussion with my host. I never visited the Mermaid Cafe or saw the Matalla moon, but Joni did sing of going perhaps to Amsterdam and I did go there and slept in Vondel Park with hundreds of other young people. For me "Blue" still resonates with memories of those times, full of youthful longings, when (in the words of the great Australian writer Henry Lawson) "the world was wide". I love "Blue" - and "Hejira",LOC,TI etc. I love them all "as much as I ought to". Thanks Rev. for making the point. John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:47:10 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - Paul Simon - World Music In a message dated 6/2/99 8:09:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << Where does Harry Belafonte fit in. He practically invented the blending of pop and Caribbean music in the late 50's. he was huge on Broadway and made a number of albums before doing movies. Or is the question only involving rock or folk rock stars who tried world music. Ry Cooder today as well as David Byrne are HUGE world beat and music aficionados marcel deste. >> I'm not sure Harry fits in anywhere because he is a singer/performer, not a songwriter. Besides, he was merely performing music from his own culture to American audiences, not so much crossing over from his own to another. This is not to say Harry wasn't a wonderful performer, but I don't think he fits in to a discussion of Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell and Peter Gabriel. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:59:40 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: HOSL Tape Hi everyone, I've already received eleven requests for the HOSL tape and think my hands will be quite full for awhile ;-D I ask those who will be receiving copies to please share with other people and hopefully it can work its way through the list. It's a fairly short run of material - the verses to the songs are abbreviated - and should all fit on a 45 min. tape. The sound quality is not high fidelity, but I almost like the "old tape" sound of it - adds to the "vintage" feeling. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:39:49 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: that weird minor chord in joni's music bob wrote: >joni comments in an interview about the "devil chords" she plays in "Sunny Sunday" and how others with fundamental education in music theory would never have composed that particular chord progression as it goes against theory. i've been trying to find this interview. does anyone remember which tape tree it's on? bob, i think you've completely changed the point of her story; it's not about music theory at all but about religion's approach to music. she reported that the church used to ban certain chord progressions, because the lack of resolution implied doubt, and could cause the listener to doubt their faith. the specific example is from 'sunny sunday', 'that one little victory, that's all she needs!' the chord on 'needs' is so surprising... klein is in on the interview as well. your larger point, that joni is suspicious of too much music theory, can probably be defended from other joni-sources, but not this one. still, i'm glad tha igor stravinsky had a whomping russian musical academy education. we'd be poorer elsewise... patrick np - stravinsky - ebony concerto (yes, i recognize the contradiction) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:33:07 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics My bro Mark wrote: << And the Joni mondegreens go on & on &..... >> OK, all right, all ready!!!! You "really" want to know?? California: "I'll even kiss a Sunset pig" has always been "I'll even kiss the sunset pink." I know what you're thinking.....Yeah, right, like Joni can kiss a sunset, sure. Well, in my mind, Joni can do anything, so she kisses the pink sunset, OK????? ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:11:02 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) Catgirl responded to my pointing out the Mingus family jewels: << If this is true then where is it on Hejira? I looked (opps) and did not see anything that resembled that. >> Anyone who mistakes Joni's wrist for a penis on Hejira's cover needs glasses.... E.T. NP: Ray Of Light ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:17:40 -0500 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: MOJO news Thanks for the welcome. I agree with Thomas Ross, "this could be cool but "in an off-the-wall way" and the sulky concert attitude give me pause". I wonder what Joni what think of this coming out? Somehow, I don't think she'd be pleased. I happened to pick up this Stuart "Dinky" Dawson person's book at a Half-Price bookstore here in Dallas, I scanned the jacket and it said the magic word, Joni, so I turned to the index and read all the Joni parts, and what I read was so mean spirited and downright ugly that I immediately put the book down and filed his name in the "do not enter" part of my brain. So then Mojo shows up in the mail the other day and his name jumped off the page right behind Joni's. His book gave the impression that they were not what you would call buddies. And I never saw his book mentioned on Wally's site. Therefore I jump to the conclusion that there's something fishy going on here. And a question, what's this tape tree thing and how does one join? And one more question, does anyone want to see and/or here about my Joni autograph from a Woodstock party?? Its hard to find people to share it with that even remotely care as much as I and my poor husband has told me how cool it is a million times and the cats, well, you know how cats are....... Patti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:16:30 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Me & Julio and the JUNGLE LINE The kind of beat Simon used in "Me & Julio..." was, to my ears anyway, a very generic sort of Latin background. I haven't heard the recording for -what?- 20 years, but I don't recall thinking, when I did hear it, that it was anything fundamentally different from what jazz musicians (Dizzy, Horace Silver) had been doing since the 40s & 50s . Now what JM did on JUNGLE LINE was quite startling, not only because it was a sound and beat new to me but because it was mixed so upfront and reinforced so directly the lyric. Simon may have done it first; Joni Mitchell did it with unequalled originality and intensity. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:49:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: lyrically challenged i've been working on just like me, but the lyrics i hear differ from those posted by pat. can you help? where pat wrote "if he'd drop his defenses, you'd see through...", but i hear "he'll drop his defenses, you'll see through..." then the next stanza sounds different to me too: "i've seen him look hungered for someone to tell him you're doing just fine and the songs that he's sung they have loneliness woven between every line with no strings to hold him i guess he could call himself free yes he's free to be empty and lonely and wrong just like me" if there is someone out there that has the tape at hand, could you check out if i'm hearing right or if it's my english? thanks!!! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 02:26:47 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics In a message dated 6/2/99 7:36:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Ashara@aol.com writes: << California: "I'll even kiss a Sunset pig" has always been "I'll even kiss the sunset pink." >> Does anyone know where or what the "sunset Pig" is?? Forgive me if this has already been discussed on the list! Trey np - 11o'clock news theme (yuck) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:25:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics > Does anyone know where or what the "sunset Pig" is?? Forgive me if this has > already been discussed on the list! Trey, back in the 60s Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood was THE place where everyone wanted to hang out and was where most of the music was happening (The Whisky, Gazzari's, The Doors, Byrds, CSN, etc.) Because this is where the SoCal "wild hippie" youth congregated in droves, there was always a corresponding presence of hardnosed police officers, who were commonly and colloquially referred to as (ahem) "the pigs" in those days. So Joni wanted to get back home so bad she'd even kiss the "enemy" so to speak. And I must say that Ashara has come up with one of the best and very appropriate mondegreen alternative lyrics for Joni to use should she choose to be more polite these days - we do have mostly pink sunsets in L.A. ;-D Kakki NP: Joni - Just Like Me ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #64 ***************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?