From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #63 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 2 1999 Volume 01 : Number 063 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Welcome back, Sue! [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Joni - Paul Simon - World Music ["Kakki" ] Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) ["Eric Taylor" ] MOJO news [Thomas Ross ] Re: just like her [Howard Wright ] Re: just like her ["P. Henry" ] RE: just like her ["P. Henry" ] SV: Euegene Ruffolo ["Peter Holmstedt" ] HOSL demo tape? [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni - Paul Simon - World Music [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni - Paul Simon - World Music [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: just like her ["P. Henry" ] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics [Susan McNamara ] Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) [Brian Gross ] Re: Song For Sharon [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: Dan Fogelberg's Netherlands [Heather Galli ] Both Sides Now [Susan McNamara ] Eric Anderson [Steve Dulson ] Song for Sharon--Michael's loss [vsuzym ] Re: Song for Sharon--Michael's loss [DreamZvil@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #238 [PJTJOY@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #238 [PJTJOY@aol.com] Eric Anderson [Bounced Message ] Eric Anderson [Steve Dulson ] Today in Joni History - June 3 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Today in Joni History - June 3 [Don Rowe ] Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: June MOJO Magazine- Joni 70s live recording pegged fo... [Bob.Muller/] Re: Ent. Weekly Discrepancy!? [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: HOSL Demo Tape ["Kakki" ] Joni - Entertainment Weekly [Bry-Bry ] Re: June MOJO Magazine- Joni 70s live recording pegged fo... ["Kakki" ] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics [LRFye@aol.com] Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:01:32 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Welcome back, Sue! Glad to have you back, Sue! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:44:03 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni - Paul Simon - World Music Paul wrote: > Paul Simon wins this one. > His self-titled debut solo album with the Reggae-influenced "Mother and > Child Reunion" as well as the Latin-influenced "Me and Julio Down by the > Schoolyard" was released in 1972 and is recognized as being "surely one of > the first American pop flirtations with Jamaican music," according to the > album notes at CDNow. > But don't forget that Simon & Garfunkle's last album, "Bridge Over > Troubled Water," was released in 1969 with the Brazilian-influenced song "El > Condor Pasa (If I Could)." > Simon was well-ahead of Joni in the explorations of music from other > cultures, as were Cream drummer Ginger Baker and others on a less-successful > level. Good catch, Paul, on El Condor Pasa. My bible on Brazilian music cites to all of Simon's forays into world music and he is mentioned six times in the book in comparison to only two mentions of Joni. Joni and Paul Simon both used Airto Moreira - on Joni's "Dreamland" and Simon's "Me and Julio Down By The Schoolyard", but Simon was first in 1972. Simon also worked with Milton Nascimento and Olodum on "Rhythm of the Saints". This has been a day of unending coincidences for me and there is yet another with this thread. I received a copy of the (slowly circulating) Joni demo tape for "Hissing of Summer Lawns" tonight and am presently listening to an alternative cut of "Dreamland" on it. I wonder if this means she recorded the song as early as 1975 even though it did not show up on an album until 1978 with DJRD. By the way, the demo tape is a real revelation. A totally alternative version of HOSL - Joni sounds younger, more earnest and more like the early era vs. jazz era Joni. The alternative "Dreamland" is fantastic - very much more Brazilian - whistles and all. Lindsay - as for which Wyeth painted Helga, I can't get to my art books, they hold up my computer monitor ;-D - but I recall it was Andrew - she was his long time housekeeper and mistress. Kakki NP: Alternative Joni HOSL - Harry's House ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:11:39 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) MGVal@aol.com needs a magnifying glass: << I'm looking, I'm looking. The most I'm seeing is the lower GI tract on the female character who is on the right, seemingly tooting on a horn.. The male, (on the left), DOES have one of those "cat-ate-the-canary," (literally?!?!), looks, but appears to be jewel-less from my POV. And believe me, I tried! >> It's much easier to see on the album cover. That's the one thing I hate about CDs.... Actually, now that you point it out, the person on the left (who I thought might be Joni) appears to have a penis too! It's also flesh-colored on a background of green. But the guy on the right is definately well-hung. There is no mistaking those turquoise pubes & you can clearly make out the shaft, head, slit & left nut.... At least I know a wrist when I see one! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:12:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: MOJO news this could be cool but "in an off-the-wall way" and the sulky concert attitude give me pause. On the other hand the Steely Dan. . .vowt! TR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:08:01 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: just like her It's been a long time, but I'm so happy to see this .sig file appearing on our list again! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell Welcome back to the list Sue! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 02:23:14 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: just like her wow pearl, what a great sharing! it must've been awesome when you finally realized. yes, I'm well aware of the recording of 'Just Like Me' on the second fret tape, however, the copy I have only has the last two verses. also, although there are many of Joni's rarities on the jmdl guitar sites, this one is not (yet) among them and I just wanted to make it available... so go ahead and try it! *S* pat NP: Winter Lady - -- On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:17:09 WirlyPearl wrote: >Hi Pat, > >I haven't tried to play the song Just Like Me, but it was >on one of the earlier tape trees, probably from the 1967 > Second Fret / Philadelphia radio shows. Because of that, >many of us on the list are probably familiar with the song. >I did manage to learn most >of the words to sing along with it. It has a very upbeat >lilt to it. Another of my unrecorded favorites of Joni's >is Winter Lady. When I first learned how to play guitar >when I was in high school, one of the books >my teacher used was The Music of Joni Mitchell songbook, > which had many of her unrecorded songs in it. > When I heard Winter Lady >on the tape tree, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how >I knew most of the words upon first hearing it. I even asked >the list if anyone like Tom Rush or Gordon Lightfoot had >ever recorded it. It was driving me crazy. >I finally figured out that the reason I was >so familiar with it was because I had learned how to play >it, and some of the others with the little check marks next >to them, back in around 1968. I love those >early songs. They had such strong, beautiful melodies. >Hearing her actually sing them on the tapes was a revelation. >Thanks for sharing so much about your >experiences with Joni. They are wonderful. > >Pearl > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 02:31:54 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: just like her WallyK wrote: "...I'm planning to play it at Ashara's." thank you wally... I'm honored pat NP: *great big satisfied ear-ear smile* Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:43:11 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: SV: Euegene Ruffolo > From: Jenaya Dawe > I just recieved Euguene Ruffollo's disc "Fool For Every Season" from > songs.com today, and it is wonderful!! He sounds a lot like JT, and his > lyrics are wonderful. I'm tellin ya, check this guy out!! > http://www.songs.com/ruffolo So true, so true..... His new album is absolutely amazing! If you're into Joni, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Marc Cohn and other great singer/songwriters, you'll LOVE his album! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 05:57:23 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: HOSL demo tape? Wow! Is there a chance this demo tape could circulate more rapidly, via a tape tree? >I received a copy of the (slowly circulating) Joni demo >tape for "Hissing of Summer Lawns" tonight Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:06:17 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - Paul Simon - World Music Where does Harry Belafonte fit in. He practically invented the blending of pop and Carribean music in the late 50's. he was huge on Broadway and made a number of albums before doing movies. Or is the question only involving rock or folk rock stars who tried world music. Ry Cooder today as well as David Byrne are HUGE world beat and music afficionados. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:42:10 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - Paul Simon - World Music In a message dated 6/2/99 8:10:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@AOL.COM writes: > Where does Harry Belafonte fit in. He practically invented the blending of > pop and Carribean music in the late 50's. he was huge on Broadway and made a > > number of albums before doing movies. Or is the question only involving rock > > or folk rock stars who tried world music. Ry Cooder today as well as David > Byrne are HUGE world beat and music afficionados. marcel deste. > > All good points, in my humble opinion, however, no one has done more to bring world music to the fore of western civilization than Peter Gabriel (and to a lesser extent, in my opinion, Paul Simon). If we are talking the "pioneering" of it by pop/rock, people, then Joni certainty deserves to be recognized, though I think she used these techniques as sort of "accessories" in my opinion, and to very great effect. Still, what I find admirable about Peter Gabriel is his sincerety and commitment to exposing world music and art to the rest of us through his involvement in WOMAD and his own record label REALWORLD. I'm not as familiar with David Byrne's work except for his Brasil Classics compilation, for which I am very grateful, as it exposed me to some of the best Brasilian singer/songwriters and protest singers, most of whom I would otherwise not have had exposure to. If Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon are heralded more than Joni in this area, I think they are certainty deserving in this regard. Just my opinion. Take care, Gina NP: Lead Balloon - this one is actually growing on me! My favorite line? An angry man is an angry man An angry woman: biiiiitch!! (its cleverness makes me crack up) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 05:56:19 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: just like her well, gang, I hope nobody minds my reposting this yet again but, even though I've posted it twice already, once without and once with the chords, several people have written me asking me to send it to them so here ya goone more time, just in case! *S* (btw, it's pretty easy to play... *S*) this is a real find... I don't think you can find this song anywhere! Joni told me she wrote it about Stephen Stills. "ok, maybe you don't call it 'open D'... the only tunings I ever knew I learned from Joni... it is DADGBD. it's pretty simple: (some the same as 'circle game' but that is played in G tuning) the primary chord, of course, is just to play all strings open and that acts as your 'drone'... the second chord is a C shape without the ring finger on the first fret... the third chord is the same shape but on the third fret and the refrain chord ob the chorus is a straight bar (G?) on the fifth fret and, except for walking the bass A string, 0245, on the chorus that's all the chords, which, for tab purposes, we shall call 0, 1, 3 & 5 respectively and 0245 for the walk. btw, if you've heard it on the '2nd fret' tapes the first verse is missing... here's the complete song: JUST LIKE ME by: Joni Mitchell (as taught to Pat Boland) 0 3 1 0 he's so independent, he acts like he couldn't care less (hammer)01010 for us all 0 3 he's someone's descendent, their child, though he'll 1 0 (hammer)01010 never acknowledge their call 1 3 1 he's afraid to feel loved, yet I know he's afraid not to 0...1 be 0 1 and he'll laugh and he'll cry, and someday he'll die, 0......1.....0 just like me cho: 0245-5 3..1 0 1 0 just like me, he's settling a score with a world 1 3-1 that wants a reason every time you turn around 0245-5 3..1 0 1 0 just like me, he's lookin' for a door standing open, 1 saying "welcome, come and lay your troubles down", just 0..1..0-1-0 like me if he'd drop his defenses, you'd see through the stone to the heart of the man but the moment he senses you've seen him he'll leave you, as fast as he can he'll return to his shadows where no one can look in and see and he'll wake in the night and cry like a child just like me. cho. well, I've seen him looking for someone to tell him, "you're doin' just fine." and the songs that he sings, they have loneliness woven between every line there are no strings to hold him I guess you could call him so free yes, he's free to be lonely and empty and lost just like me cho. 0 1.......0..1..0-1-0 repeat: just like me... I know the spacing probably won't hold up in email format but I hope that gives you the idea..." Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:22:07 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics "Your notches liberation doll" is the correct lyric. This is a song about a drunken brawl between two lovers. The line before it reads: A room full of glasses and then he says to her ... "Your notches -- liberation doll" notches referring to the marks on a gunslinger's Colt 45 from all the men he's killed. Translation: Don't tell me I'm drunk, bitch -- those empty glasses are yours, not mine!! And don't give me any of that women's lib crap!! Ahh, memories!! :-) >Re the "Don't interrupt..." lyric, I think it's conceivable that she >PRONOUNCED what you heard, but in that event, it's still puzzling.... altho' >no less puzzling than the words in the COMPLETE POEMS & LYRICS volume: "Your >notches liberation doll." >It's more than possible that this volume was not proofed visually by JM >herself and indeed the book discreetly omits any reference to JM's having a >role in its preparation. LAHM ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) I wrote: > ><< But E.T., where is the penis on the cover of Mingus ?? then E.T. wrote: > > It's SO blatant. Look at the guy on the right playing a horn. His > >flesh-colored lap prominently displays his family jewels. > then Pat O'Connor wrote: > It's to the left of the guy (George Jetson?) who is playing the large(bass?) > balalaika. Actually, in looking at the artwork on the cd booklet (sorry, I never bought this one on vinyl) under my magnifier, I can see what looks like *one* family jewel, along with a not-so-regal scepter, just hanging around :-) Brian npimh :I left my ... in SF === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:16:43 EDT From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: Song For Sharon Suicide has, unfortunately, touched many of our lives. My son's best friend last year and a good friend of mine in college. You're very right that something just snaps. More so, I think the total despair that a person feels. Knowing someone or being close to someone who has done that can make a person wonder "what could I have done? A talk, a comforting word." The most depressing part is the loss of control and the feeling of futility. Take heart Michael. Torment can be shared. We're all subject to it and I don't believe that our friends that left will be punished for it. They were already punished in their own pains. Focus on the joy, remember the good. Never forget the music. My grandma sent me a poem when I was about 11. She was an alcoholic and full of cancer. It went something like... God didn't promise there'd never be rain and He didn't promise there'd never be pain but can you remember a dark rainy sky that didn't fade when the clouds had passed by Funny, I never remember her being down. Michele ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:59:31 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Dan Fogelberg's Netherlands > E.T. > NP: Twin Sons Of Different Mothers This is my favorite by Dan Fogelberg (with Tim Wiesberg(sp)). I have seen him in concert and he is very good. I must agree, though, Joni never grows stale with me either. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:05:38 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Both Sides Now Thanks to everyone who sent me a warm welcome back note! I'm very happy to be back in Joniland and to celebrate I picked up the rusty ovation this morning and put the finishing touches on my tab for Just Like Me. I amended the capo from 2 to 4 and while I was in that tuning decided to play Both Sides Now for the first time in EONS!! I was so struck by the lines But now old friends are acting strange They shake their heads They say I've changed Well something lost and something's gained In living every day I actually got filled up and had to put the guitar down. So when I got to work I headed to Wally's Upcoming News section of the Joni Page and read the report that Joni is seriously considering calling her upcoming album Both Sides Now with a new version of this song. !!!!! This is so wonderful and the impact of such a simple classic song must be quite amazing for an artist like Joni who has such a vast, complex catalog. It reminds me of Paul McCartney when he was talking about writing Yesterday. He kept saying to himself that he must have picked this song off of something else that he could not have come up with something like this by himself. When the talent meets the Source the most amazing things happen, and the product is usually so simple its sublime. That's how I see Both Sides Now. Has anyone heard a release date yet for her new album? If any of you remember how long we waited for TTT, I guess that question is pretty stupid!! Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:14:14 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Eric Anderson To the person who asked "who is this guy?", Eric is indeed a contemporary of Joni, Dylan, Ochs, etc. and was big in the Greenwich Village scene of the '60s. Take a look on Wally's page of Joni contributions to others' recordings. She sang on "Blue River" and maybe another one? Joni has shown up to sing with Eric when he has performed at McCabe's in Santa Monica at least once. They shared the bill, but not the stage, at the "Troubadours of Folk" show in LA in '93. He has written, and is still writing, some great stuff, and is well worth seeing. Humph. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) From: vsuzym Subject: Song for Sharon--Michael's loss Hi everybody; I was on the list for a while last year, left due to loss of internet, and am back. I hope I have sent this right. Michael Paz wrote: >>It's a sad today, as I am sitting here listening to SFS to kinda help to deal with these horrible feelings. I found out a friend put a gun in his mouth over the weekend and they planted him today. This has happened so many times before that it is starting to get to me.<< Michael, I am so sorry for your loss. It is devastating to lose someone, especially to suicide. It seems to make all of us wonder "How could it have happened? Was there no joy left in his/her life at all? Was s/he 'just shaking off futility, or punishing somebody'? I feel like one of the somebodies." >>He was not a "real close friend", but it was someone I dealt with professionally on a regular basis.<< I don't think that matters. It is so eerie and disruptive to know you just saw that person, and they "seemed okay", and now they're gone. It is a slap in our faces, and breaks the denial of death that most of us need just to keep on going. >>This does not come at a good time for me as I have been really down for quite some time (which is REALLY ODD FOR me). When I get down I think of my friends who have done this and of course it really scares me and brings the pain right "up front and center".<< I think just the fact that you have experienced this with more than one friend is ample reason for you to feel "really down". Please give yourself permission to work through your grief in your own way. Denying ourselves an outlet for our feelings ("I should be over this by now.") is one reason that people begin to feel isolated and hopeless. If we feel unable to share, it is a short step to believing that no one cares enough to hear, anyway, and that can eventually lead to suicide. >>Don't get me wrong the person that is sitting here typing this would never do that to myself (especially when I think of my children), but then again I think of some of the people that did this and I wonder how/why/but/etc/etc/ and go "oh shit something must just snap and THIS can happen to any onus".<< It's true that it can happen to any of us, but the kind of depression that leads to suicide is usually long-lasting and untreated (or not successfully treated, which can be even more depressing). This man, for too long, felt unable to connect to joy, and for some reason saw no other solution to his problems and feelings of isolation. I have survived long-term deep depression, including suicidal thoughts. It can be a terrifying slide into helplessness and despair. I urge anyone who might be feeling long-term feelings of isolation, worthlessness, despair, and inability to feel joy to fight with every last drop of energy, or do whatever you can to help anyone you know who might be suffering. You might save a life. Michael, depressed people often go to great lengths to hide their feelings. The fact that you reached out to us on the list shows your courage and determination to affirm life. You will be in my prayers. I hope this wasn't too preachy or NJC. I feel so strongly about this, I had to respond. And speaking of isolation, are there ANY other list members who live in Oklahoma? You can email me privately. I would love to meet you. === "To err is human, but it feels divine." (Mae West) Please forgive the following undeletable shameless marketing ploy from our sponsor ;D _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:49:31 EDT From: DreamZvil@aol.com Subject: Re: Song for Sharon--Michael's loss Hello and good morning - I just wanted to thank "v" for the words of kindness, enlightenment, and hope...for Michael perhaps, but oh-so-helpful to *all* of us who deal with depression, anxiety, and other mood disorders on a daily basis - in ourselves, our family, or friends. Keep the faith! In love & light, Susan of Dreamzville ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:20:06 EDT From: PJTJOY@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #238 Netherlands is one of my favorites. I am from Colorado (which he has named his home now) and it always accompanies me in my mountain ventures. It is a wonderful piece of work! PJTJOY@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:21:58 EDT From: PJTJOY@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #238 If any of you are familiar with "The Innocent Age", this is really a tribute album to Dan's Favorites. The song Nexus, includes Joni in backups. I heard an interview with him on KBCO (Boulder, Co). He was talking about his experience recording with her and her insistance on the "African Drums". If you listen to the song you will see she won! It is definitely worth it to check it out! Pam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:38:49 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Eric Anderson Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:40:32 -0700 From: Casey Certis-Milby I think I am queen undisputedly of lurkers- it's been going on so long, it's hard to confess at this point. I have been a list member since September of 1997, a Joni fan almost as long as I can remember. The irony of it is that it is Eric Anderson who finally gets me to speak up, but Joni plays a part. > The article also mentions his benchmark album of 1972 titled "Blue River". > Now where have I seen the words Blue and River mentioned > before?...... > Eric does not have the longevity of Joni or Dylan, but he wrote some great songs in his time, worth checking out. I looked for my copy of Blue River to see what factual information I could glean for you, but at this point in time all I have is the memory of Joni's beautiful background vocals on the title song. She soars, as she often does, and makes a beautiful song (IMHO) hauntingly so. So the Blue - River - Joni connection is there stronger than you might have imagined. Now, back to lurking, which for me takes the form of reading back issues (I'm up to Oct. '98, and boy that was an active spell) as well as the current ones. Someday I might try to explain. - -- "It is good to have an end to journey towards; but it is the journey that matters in the end." U.K.LeG. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:14:14 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Eric Anderson To the person who asked "who is this guy?", Eric is indeed a contemporary of Joni, Dylan, Ochs, etc. and was big in the Greenwich Village scene of the '60s. Take a look on Wally's page of Joni contributions to others' recordings. She sang on "Blue River" and maybe another one? Joni has shown up to sing with Eric when he has performed at McCabe's in Santa Monica at least once. They shared the bill, but not the stage, at the "Troubadours of Folk" show in LA in '93. He has written, and is still writing, some great stuff, and is well worth seeing. Humph. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:46:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - June 3 1989: Joni performs at the UN "Our Common Future" benefit. From Wally's bio: [Today], there was a worldwide broadcast of a U.N. benefit show called "Our Common Future." The multi-hour show featured performances live from New York City interpersed with short films about troubled areas around the world. Joni performed with Herbie Hancock, Larry, Wayne Shorter, and Andy Summers (formally of the Police). They were billed on-screen as "Herbie Hancock's Super Band" and Joni was tagged as Joni Mitchell Klein. Mrs. Klein and the super band's performance was joined in progress near the end of their first number "The 3 Great Stimulants." Joni then got about halfway through the second number "Night Ride Home" when the producers cut away to commercials. I think it was just a case of bad timing. If the network had gone on air from NYC at the beginning. of either of her songs, there would have been enough time for her to finish. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - June 3 - --- Today in Joni History wrote: > Joni was tagged as Joni > Mitchell Klein. That makes at least twice she's been called this. The "Thank yous" on Innocence Mission's first CD includes one to "Joni Mitchell Klein ..." I want to put a stop to any rumors before they start -- this was NOT my idea. ;-) Don Rowe (alias Larry Klein) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:54:07 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Album Covers (Ent. Wkly) In a message dated 6/1/1999 7:39:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << It's SO blatant. Look at the guy on the right playing a horn. His flesh-colored lap prominently displays his family jewels. & the woman on the left (Joni?) also appears to be naked, sitting spread eagle. But this beautiful painting is clearly not pornographic. E.T. >> If this is true then where is it on Hejira? I looked (opps) and did not see anything that resembled that. Catgirl.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:26:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: June MOJO Magazine- Joni 70s live recording pegged fo... Subject: Re: June MOJO Magazine- Joni 70s live recording pegged for relea --------------------------------- Patti said: <> Welcome, Patti! Mojo is great, even though it's expensive...so much to absorb in every issue. <> This is truly exciting stuff, and Rykodisc will do a great job I'm sure. I don't know any better, but could there potentially be a problem since she's contracted to Reprise? The Steely Dan should especially be awesome! I saw in the May Mojo where a couple of stores are taking advance orders for their next record called "Two Against Nature" for a June release?? My guess is that a June release is NOT the case - do any of the Dansters out there know for sure...Wow, '99 has been quite the year for comebacks; XTC, Tom Waits, Star Wars, and now Steely Dan! Bouncing Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:11:42 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Ent. Weekly Discrepancy!? In a message dated 6/2/1999 12:25:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, moonlj@san.rr.com writes: << "The resulting collaboration [referring to jamming with Jamaican musicians] and hit single [Mother and Child Reunion] broke ground for the Anglo-worldbeat of Talking Heads, Sting, Joni Mitchell, and Simon's 1986 >> Mother and Chile reunion came out in 1972 off of The aslbu just titled paul Simon. He is wearing a parka with a fur hat. I don't know when Mother and Child reunion was released.)? I've always thought Joni was the forerunner -- certainly long before Simon and Peter Gabriel who mostly get the credit for using world beats first. And don't misunderstand, I love Paul Simon and think he's a brilliant musician in his own right. Puzzled, but feeling that Joni was first and that's that. I think he was the for runner with Joni close at his heels My husband knows more about this then me so I will ask him. Catgirl..Joni freak Mewsikmann...Paul Simon freak! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:18:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: HOSL Demo Tape Bob wrote: > Bob, who hasn't got TT#8 yet but is already looking forward to > this HOSL demo being a part of TT#9 (Number 9, Number 9.....) I hope I'm not stepping on any toes talking about this tape - it's just that my absolute delight with it is overrding any sense of discretion! I played it repeatedly till the wee hours of the morning. Are you confirming that it will be on TT#9, Bob? I hope there is a good "master" copy out there - the one I have "multi-generational". My initial sense of this tape is that it is significantly different from the final HOSL. In parts Joni sounds very much, for lack of a better description, "Miles-of-Aisles-ish" but mostly, to me, it is very reminiscent of her sound and style from For The Roses. On most of the cuts, it appears to be just Joni, her guitar and a lot of Joni vocal overdub, echo and harmony. Several cuts also seems to be just Joni and the piano - and this gives it the FTR feeling. Joni's voice sounds more innocent, sometimes pensive and sometimes breezy on this tape and does not not exhibit the sophisticated style of the final album. I love this - it'sa little like FTR - Part Two, but that's just own feeling. I would not say that it is in any way superior to the final HOSL album - it's just a very beautiful and surprising variation. I'll do my small part to send a few copies around the list and hope that it does make it to a tape tree. Also, want to forever thank everyone who has sent such amazing gems to me since I joined the list. I can never express enough appreciation. Kakki NP: Alternative Boho Dance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:32:50 -0400 From: Bry-Bry Subject: Joni - Entertainment Weekly Hey y'all: story & pretty pretty pic (be still my heart) is at: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/ew/fab400/music100/int5.html =============================== Joni Mitchell Though she's best known for creating such intimate anthems as ''Both Sides Now,'' Joni Mitchell's mix of folk, rock, classical, and jazz -- and her unusual tunings and complex chords -- always made her an anomaly even within the singer/songwriter category she came to represent. Today, Mitchell discusses her role in rock history and her disillusionment with the current state of pop. Interview by Chris Willman EW Online: How do you think rock & roll has changed over the years? Joni Mitchell: Well, rock & roll was kind of rhythm & blues and boogie woogie and swing era. It swung. But when white musicians started to play it, it didn't swing. They just rocked it, so the beat got very vertical. White rhythmic history is pretty much funerals, polkas, and waltzes. Most of the grooves, the drums come out for death -- either marching to war or marching to the grave. So when whites took over rock & roll, the joy went out of it. I never liked white rock & roll per se. Yet people consider Bob Dylan -- whom you toured with last year -- rock & roll. Is that something different to you? It's not rock & roll, because it doesn't swing. It's more like country-rock . . . This is an industry of pigeonholing. For instance, I was called a folk singer when I came into the scene. But when I began to write, I wasn't a folk musician. My first album is not folk music. It looks like a folk singer because it's an acoustic guitar, but there's a lot of classical music involved in my compositions, and there's jazz involved in them, and a lot of rock & roll. Some of the shuffles that I do, that's more rock & roll than most of the stuff that they call rock & roll, even though it's not as loud. Did you ever think of yourself as a rock star? No, I always thought of myself as a painter in show business. (laughs) How did I end up here? I never identified myself for years, really, even as a musician. I just thought of myself as a painter who played. But I did have a compositional gift. And I've been at it so long that I have a certain amount of identity as a musician. (laughs) What are your earliest memories of rock & roll? I was a pre-teener when it hit. I shifted my love of classical music to my love of rock & roll from 11 to 16. And then came the folk movement while I was still in high school, and people gathered around and sang folk songs, which I kind of liked. It was a different way of partying -- kind of fun to sit in a group of people and sing for the fun of it. We'd been dancing to rock & roll for the fun of it, but singing for the fun of it was an interesting concept. There were no guitar players around to accompany anybody, so that's in a way how I got started in it, just singing for fun. But where I came from, in the time that I came up in, there was no inkling or desire for a career in it. There was a stigma to playing guitar back then. My mother thought it was hickish, low-class. No parent now would think that because it's a part of our culture, but the guitar was a fairly obscure instrument when I was coming into my teens. - -------------------------------------------- http://www.bryanthomas.com music@bryanthomas.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:20:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: June MOJO Magazine- Joni 70s live recording pegged fo... Bob wondered: > This is truly exciting stuff, and Rykodisc will do a great job > I'm sure. I don't know any better, but could there potentially > be a problem since she's contracted to Reprise? I would guess that Rykodisc owns the rights to this material so it would not involve Reprise. I am also salivating over the prospect of this material being released! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:15:52 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Heresy > 3. In the Heijra/FTR debate, I'd vote - if I HAD to vote - for NRH as > the best (as opposed to my favorite, which is, as I said, Blue). The > first time I played NRH I was stunned by the genius of it. However, the > more I listen to TI, the more I am able to move that up the list of my > favorites. I like to think that what Joni does now is the best part of > her work as the artist matures and grows, and it is hard for me to go > back 25 years and say that something she did then, as brilliant and as > virtuosic as it was, has not been surpassed by all that she has learned > since. > > In the same way then, I love FTR as much as I ought to love FTR; I love > Heijra as much as I ought to love Heijra, etc. In opera, I love Le > Nozze di Figaro best, but I am not going to argue that it is better than > Don Giovanni, or better than anything by Verdi or Puccini or Wagner, for > each speaks to each different person in a different way. I expect that > each Joni work speaks to someone else differently than it speaks to me. > I wouldn't personally rate Mingus at the upper portion of my personal > favorites, although it is an extraordinary work, and I am thankful she > did it, but it doesn't speak to me in the same way as WTRF does. > > So to argue which is better misses the point; it is more to the point to > share why something means something to us than to arbitrarily rank > things that are not meant to be ranked! Amen, Brother Vince! You cut right to the heart of it and said exactly what I've been trying to say about this all along. Thank you! > PS: let us remember today as we are doing all of our day-off things, to > keep in our prayers or thoughts or meditations or whatever each one > does, Wally B. and all those who have shared that they have ill health; > and to all, send our love. > Having been under the weather myself for the past few days (nothing serious, just a nasty summer cold) this reply is a little late but I just want to add my heartfelt agreement with this sentiment. Thanks again, Vince! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:33:02 EDT From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics Sue McN, who we're all very glad to see again, wrote: > and then he says to her ... > > "Your notches -- liberation doll" > > notches referring to the marks on a gunslinger's Colt 45 from all the men > he's killed. > > Translation: Don't tell me I'm drunk, bitch -- those empty glasses are > yours, not mine!! And don't give me any of that women's lib crap!! I agree with at least the last part of Sue's translation, although I've always viewed the notches as those on a bed post, thereby referring to all the women he's laid. Could it be that "your" should've been "you're"? As in, "Don't give me that women's lib crap; you're (still, just) notches to men, and we're still the ones who rule!" Then he reminds her of her submissive position by "chaining" her with his "serpent" -- or he reminds her that woman was the sinner who submitted to the serpent ("wash my guilt of Eden") -- to that Ethiopian wall, referring to the place where humans probably originated. She, representing vengeful goddesses everywhere, recognizes his crap for what it is, man's stupid and fearful insistence that he (and his church) shall remain in power. She replies that equality will reign (Anima -- an inner feminine part of the male personality -- rising, uprising in her tonight, but also in everyone else including enlightened men), and further, that she's up for the challenge: (Your) Truth goes up in vapors Winds of change patriarchs Snug in your bible belt dreams (Your) God goes up the chimney Like childhood Santa Claus The good slaves love the good book (referring to the conversion of captured Africans to Christianity?) A rebel loves a cause (rebelling against the patriarchy and its churches?) Just my take on it. Lori, lately getting reacquainted with the Motherpeace deck of cards San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:47:10 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: intro/misunderstood lyrics And "explosions > of your autumn" in "Love Puts on a New Face," I'd heard as "explosions of > erotic." Well I just had to get up & look at my TTT cd on this one. I always thought it was 'explosions of your ardor' (which I still rather like). For years when I listened to the line 'cry for Eddy in the corner thinking he's nobody' from People's Parties I heard 'cry for Livvy in her corner thinking there's nobody'. And the Joni mondegreens go on & on &..... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:57:07 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Starting the process... with a free but selected offer Hi all, Harper Lou here. I'm not a frequent poster (I've been busy) but I enjoy reading you all. I don't know if this violates etiquette, but here goes... I've been playing piano and harp for many years. Joni has been the first and foremost influence in my music. In fact, in my indecisive teen years, I heard "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" and made a firm decision that I WOULD remain a musician and a Joni fan for life. Over the years, people always said they could hear the Joni influence no matter what I played. Lately, I've been busy doing the Renaissance Faire circuit, a whole bunch of three-chord fantasy and fun. Well, friends and fans talked me into recording a CD of my own songs that I sometimes perform at more traditional gigs. The CD is complete, and like Joni's songs, the collection is real eclectic - -- 15 songs ranging from Celtic to jazz to blues to reggae to folk to mid-eastern and back again. But I really want some serious feedback, not just friends saying it's great or coworkers saying they haven't had time to listen to it. Since many of you are musicians, I was wondering if I could get about 15 of you to listen to "Sketchbook" and give me an honest appraisal. I really need to decide if it's worthwhile to continue working on originals or just stick with the bread-and-butter shows. If you're interested, I can afford to mail about 15 or 20 of you a free copy of the CD. Just promise to listen to all the tracks and send me a review, or even a few brief comments. In other words, do I play real good for free? Musicians (in the US) who are interested, please e-mail me privately and include your address. I can only send CDs to the first 20 who respond, though. I'm not a hustler or stalker or anything -- sanity challenged perhaps, but harmless. There's a sound clip on my homepage (http://www.louislynch.com) if you want to taste a sample before requesting one. And, Wally, I would like you to have one, just because I appreciate your web work so much! Please e-mail me an address for mailing. It's a dream of mine to send a copy to Ms. Mitchell herself, but I don't know how or have the courage to do that. But the musicians on jmdl are a real cool next best thing, judging from the knowledgeable posts. Well, must run -- I have to race home from the office and check the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Hope I didn't violate any list rules with this request. If I did, please forgive me! Louis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:13:52 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: demo HOSL/tape trees Hi everyone, I'm very interested in this demo of HOSL that has cropped up. I've never been involved in a tape tree, really. I've just gotten the two videos from Ashara (thanks again!). I'd like to know more about how the tape trees work, how I could get tape tree #9, and if anyone would like for me to help circulate the demo tape (or if I could at least get one yet). I also have capability to put tapes onto cd-rs, if anyone would be interested in doing some of that. Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:17:38 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Both Sides Now Welcome back, Sue! You've been missed. When I first heard talk of an album of standards, I immediately started fantasizing about a live concert on A&E with a big band, and I imagined this bit of cheesy Hollywood stage patter: Joni would start talking about picking "standards" to sing and exactly what constitutes a standard, and she would offer various definitions. Then she would say she finally decided that when a song was recorded by Frank Sinatra, it was by definition a standard, and here's one that Frank recorded...and she would sing "Both Sides Now." At 12:05 PM 6/2/99 -0400, you wrote: >I actually got filled up and had to put the guitar down. So when I got to >work I headed to Wally's Upcoming News section of the Joni Page and read >the report that Joni is seriously considering calling her upcoming album >Both Sides Now with a new version of this song. !!!!! This is so >wonderful and the impact of such a simple classic song must be quite >amazing for an artist like Joni who has such a vast, complex catalog. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #63 ***************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?