From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #57 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 29 1999 Volume 01 : Number 057 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- spouses that come around [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Paprika Plains "live"/Jaco Pastorius ["John Low" ] Spouses ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] Six degrees and Spouses ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] RE: Six degrees and Spouses [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Joni and spouses [Steve Dulson ] Re: Jenaya...The Gut-ache Blues! [DreamZvil@aol.com] Six Degrees ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] Re: Six degrees and Spouses [Jerry Notaro ] CP joni's jazz [Bounced Message ] Re: Six degrees and Spouses [Bounced Message ] Re: Paprika Plains "live"/Jaco Pastorius [Bounced Message ] Re: Lucky Girl! The Saga Continues [Bounced Message ] Re: Six Degrees [Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com] Re: Six degrees and Spouses [catman ] Joni reference in a Dylan Site [Marian Russell ] Re: CP joni's jazz [Jerry Notaro ] Today in Joni History - May 29 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - May 30 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Today in Joni History - May 29 [Phyliss Ward ] Tape Tree 8 - a warning to branches and stratospheric kudos dispensed [Gu] Re: CP joni's jazz [Brian Gross ] Joni excerpt from Mojo [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Thank You [luvart@snet.net] Re: Joni and our spouses [Scott and Jody ] Re: spouses [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni and our spouses [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 04:28:37 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: spouses that come around My ex and I had very different musical tastes, and his idea of a reflective album was the Carpenters -- yick. We did like a lot of the same dance and New Wave music: the B-52s, Scritti Politti, Eurythmics. He had a very bad Joni beginning when someone gave him MINGUS as a birthday present. That's not the right Joni album for a neophyte who doesn't like jazz. Over the years, he never said a word as I played Joni's Eighties and Nineties albums and took dips back into her older stuff on vinyl. He seemed indifferent. Then we broke up. Although he initiated the break, he wanted to return and I wouldn't let him. BLUE and HEJIRA were my albums during that period, the two greatest break up albums of all time. One day I called him to see if he had my copy of a Freud biography and I heard HITS in the background. "Do you have the radio on?" I asked. "No, it's a disc," he answered. "You're playing Joni Mitchell?!" I asked. His response was, "Well, you aren't around anymore to do it for me". It was a moment of triumph and reminded me of that moment in Annie Hall when Alvy finds Annie coming out of a screening of The Sorrow and the Pity with her new flame and they have a laugh. I love all of Joni's albums -- all of them, some more than others. The breakup albums don't have much relevance right now, but HOSL was always the most thoughtful and stimulating of them. It must have been written when Joni was happily in love and would turn outward to the rest of the world for material, the way most of her stuff with Klein did: social commentary, stories about others, remembrances of childhood. I'm sure everyone's noticed many of her albums have some song about her wild teenage past. On a very old thread, I think Snakes and Ladders is a great song to dance to. I love some of the interpretations for Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. Now would anyone like to take on Electricity? Take the challenge! An absolutely beautiful tune, and pretty words, but what do they mean? Copper Queen Lizzie? Sounds like that old and dangerous way of using a penny to fix a fuse box. NP: Hendrix, Band of Gypsies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 03:02:56 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Re: Paprika Plains "live"/Jaco Pastorius In Digest No. 230 David Lahm wrote: "I think Jaco Pastorius had a tremendous influence on what finally got on the vinyl, but credit Joni Mitchell for being open to that influence and making the most of it." In an interview published in an Australian music magazine, "Rhythms" (April 1997), JM was asked about the "indelible effect" that Jaco Pastorius had on her music. Because this interview may not have been published elsewhere, I thought some brief excerpts might be of interest to the list. To the above question she replied: "Well, prior to meeting Jaco I had been newly introduced to the experience of working with an expanded palette with other musicians, and while the first collaboration was very exciting, 'Court and Spark' that is, most of the playing came from existing chords in the skeleton of what I played, it was added very carefully. ... In the coming of the next record I gave my musicians freer rein, as a result on 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns' in some places there was more jazz expression in that I allowed them to express more of their own melodic opinion and they came out of the jazz idiom and therefore the colours that they added to my colours were more idiomatically jazz. ... I learnt that what they did was nice but that I had strong opinions, so I began to then try and guide them closer to what I wanted. ... The bass part always sounded dull if you isolated it and listened to it by itself, it wasn't musical. Why couldn't it be more musical than that I asked myself, that each part, rather than being merely supportive, would have a chance as a colour to express itself and then go back into a supportive role. ... When Jaco came along ... I felt like I'd been trying to invent Jaco for a couple of years and there he was. ... Jaco changed the bass - it was great working with him. Plus he pushed himself up in the mixes really hot you know, like if you pulled him down he'd push himself up, he was a very dominant male (laughs)." I hope this wasn't too long. John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:13:33 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NEW JONI CD ????(JC) I only have one thing to say about the np at the bottom of your post. The one that says eryka badu ? To that I say Klaatu Berrada Nikto. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:22:11 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: NEW JONI CD ????(JC) > S&L is now available here with the WHOLE concert on it. previously one > could only get the edited version. The full version was only available > as a Japanese import at £45($70). Does this differ from the double HDCD that's been around for something like a year? Some of the tracks are longer on it, the tracks cut from the single CD issue are restored, but "Raised On Robbery" that's on the laserdisc & video is still missing. Someone please tell if it's included on this edition. - --jp np: The Julia Fordham Collection ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:48:00 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: New midi song I have a new Joni midi song on my midi page thanks to Chris Rada, who sent it to me last night.. The song is 'Help Me' and it is a great version of it. The address is, as always, http://www.total.net/~slarty/midi.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:46:05 -0400 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: Spouses Heather wrote: I'll be playing some Joni while by myself at home then my husband will come home and I rush to turn the stereo off thinking that it is anoying him. Anyone else do this? Or get a similar feeling? - ------------------------------- Yes, yes, yes, that is exactly what happens in my house! It's not that my significant other does not like Joni he is not so enthralled and entrenched in Jonidom as I am. So I keep the music for myself, especially in the car for the commute to work. It's like a present to myself, everyday. Kinda special. And I haven't broken the news to him yet that I will be attending Ashara's party for the second year in a row!!! He was worried the last time that I would be kidnapped and brainwashed and murdered when I left to go attend the JMDL party where I didn't know anyone. But as we all know, the party was a smashing success, no murders or kidnappings. Just lots of good company and good music and not much sleep! Can't wait!!! Katie from the Cape ********************************************************************** The information contained in this communication is confidential and privileged proprietary information intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately. It is our policy that e-mails are intended for and should be used for business purposes only. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ENSR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:55:32 -0400 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: Six degrees and Spouses By the way, my spouse calls Joni = Moany Mitchell. AAARRGHHH!!! Here's six degrees of separation for y'all: Joni and The B-52's Can't think of any degrees. Anyone, Anyone? Katie from the Cape (with lots of vacation traffic) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this communication is confidential and privileged proprietary information intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately. It is our policy that e-mails are intended for and should be used for business purposes only. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ENSR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:31:21 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Six degrees and Spouses Katie from the Cape wrote: <<>> 1) Kate Pierson of the B-52's sang on "Shiny Happy People" with R.E.M. 2) Michael Stipe of R.E.M. sang on "Kid Fears" with the Indigo Girls. 3) The Indigo Girls recorded "River" live on _1200 Curfews_. - --Michael NP: The Roots, _Things Fall Apart_ - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:14:23 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni and spouses I think Michele probably respects Joni's music, more than liking it. She is very tolerant of my obsession, and didn't get upset when I got home from the PWWAM tapings in the (very) wee hours. She is quite enthusiastic about the jmdlers, however! She likes all that she has met, and thinks they are fun people to hang around with. Can't say I disagree there. :) She is also really up for our party at Les Deux! ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:46:14 EDT From: DreamZvil@aol.com Subject: Re: Jenaya...The Gut-ache Blues! In a message dated 5/28/99 6:25:21 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Anayajay@aol.com writes: << Jenaya (aka jenaya@playnetwork.com home with an ulcer or eight and scheduled for an upper GI in the morning. Thinking about you guys!!!) >> Jenaya- Hope you're feeling better soon! I can sympathize...medical procedures are no fun! My dear hubby is being held "captive" in the hospital as we speak with mysterious abdominal pain, and has been subject to all sorts of *torture* in the name of diagnostics! Worse yet, is that they separated him from his beloved Marlboros! =) Hang in there, girl! Cheers, Susan Colleen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:05:27 -0400 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: Six Degrees Here is some Joni homework for the long weekend. Back by popular demand. Can you help connect Joni to any of these people? The fewer the degrees of connection, the better! Joni and Jeb Bush Joni and Imelda Marcos Joni and Neil Diamond Joni and Brad Pitt Joni and Sylvester Stallone That's enough, now get to work! Katie the Goofy Goddess of Games from the Cape ********************************************************************** The information contained in this communication is confidential and privileged proprietary information intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, distribution, copying or disclosure of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately. It is our policy that e-mails are intended for and should be used for business purposes only. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ENSR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:37:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Six degrees and Spouses "Barnicle, Kathryn" wrote: > By the way, my spouse calls Joni = Moany Mitchell. > > AAARRGHHH!!! My best friend of 25 years (the closest thing I have to a spouse) refers to Joni as The Screamer! Jerry np: Sarah Brightman - Time to Say Goodbye ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:43:24 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: CP joni's jazz Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:58:47 -0400 From: BarBearUh tickets can now be purchased at ticketmaster.com. hope to see some of you there! -b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:43:53 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Six degrees and Spouses From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:56:29 -0400 Kate asks: <> Off the top of my head... 1. Kate Pierson of B-52's sings "Shiny Happy People" with Michael Stipe/REM 2. Michael Stipe sings "E-Bow The Letter" with Patti Smith 3. Patti Smith sings "GLORIA" by Van Morrison & Them 4. Van and Joni sing "I Shall Be Released" together live last year Maybe there's a better/shorter route but this one works for me... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:42:59 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Paprika Plains "live"/Jaco Pastorius From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:14:36 -0400 John says: <> Those first notes that Jaco plays on Cotton Ave all the way through Talk To Me are pure bass heaven - Joni really let him cut loose on DJRD, or maybe it's just that some of the tunes are so much more upbeat than the ones on Hejira... Bob, clamoring for some Joni right now after getting a sneak preview of TT#8 last night from Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:42:25 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Lucky Girl! The Saga Continues From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:09:05 -0400 <> Hey Phyliss, I want my dreams to come true too!!! How can I get some of this "aciton"? Must be one of those Bodywise products...Do I need a prescription or can I get it off-the-shelf? Aw, there I go again, bein' a wise guy...btw, great stories about your Joni art - you really are a Lucky Girl. But does hubby get all the Shiny Toys that HE wants? :~) PS: My current dream is that Joni herself shows up at Ashara's for Labor Day...has she responded yet Ashara? You can make it easy on her, tell her she doesn't have to send a photo...:~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:42:39 -0400 From: Bob.Muller/GV/FD/FluorCorp@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Six Degrees Katie asks <> This is an easy one..They both appear in and perform together in "The Last Waltz". Now as for the others.... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:52:06 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Six degrees and Spouses Barnicle, Kathryn wrote: > By the way, my spouse calls Joni = Moany Mitchell. John agress and I find that amusing too.np:Queer As Folk-music from the TV sereis-brill > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:03:54 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Joni reference in a Dylan Site Found a reference to Joni at this Dylan site: http://www.addict.com/ATN/Music_News_Of_The_World/94-12-29.html#Joni_Mitchell It's interesting because she almost says she's a feminist. I've never seen this quote before. Apologies if it exists in Les' articles somewhere. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:40:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: CP joni's jazz How are most of you who are going handling tickets? Though Patrick warns that the bleachers are not that close to the stage I'm coming 1800 miles and can't bring a lawn chair. And not being a NYer, knowing the ins and outs of time and place and space, want to be sure I get a spot. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:29:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - May 29 1998: Shortly after Joni's brief seven-date tour ended, it was hastily announced that she would be performing two nights on a Warner Brother's soundstage in Burbank, California. These were private, invitation-only performances and were being taped for a pay-per-view television special to be broadcast in the fall and to later appear on video as "JoniMitchell: Painting With Words and Music". Tonight, the first performance took place. Read extensive coverage of the evening: http://www.jonimitchell.com/OnTheRoadVideoA598.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/review980529.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:00:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - May 30 1991: Today's issue of Rolling Stone features "A Conversation with Joni Mitchell" saying "Yes, Joni Mitchell - the queen of pain long before Sting became the king - has a fully functioning sense of humor. "Oh yeah, when I was a kid, I was a real good-time Charlie," she says with a laugh "As a matter of fact that was my nickname. So when I first started making all this sensitive music, my old friends back home could not believe it. They didn't know - where did this depressed person come from? Along the way, I had gone through some pretty hard deals, and it did introvert me. But it just so happened that my most introverted period coincided with the peak of my success."" Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/rs910530.htm 1998: Joni performs the second of two nights on a Warner Brother's soundstage in Burbank, California. Read extensive coverage of the evening: http://www.jonimitchell.com/OnTheRoadVideoB598.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/review980530.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:53:47 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - May 29 Wow, wasn't that an exciting time! Let's do it again! Come on Joni. Come out and play!!! ; - ) Today in Joni History wrote: > 1998: Shortly after Joni's brief seven-date tour ended, it was hastily > announced that she would be performing two nights on a Warner Brother's > soundstage in Burbank, California. These were private, invitation-only > performances and were being taped for a pay-per-view television special to > be broadcast in the fall and to later appear on video as "JoniMitchell: > Painting With Words and Music". Tonight, the first performance took place. > > Read extensive coverage of the evening: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/OnTheRoadVideoA598.html > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/review980529.htm > -------- > Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to > JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. > -------- - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:58:30 -0700 From: Guy Brown Subject: Tape Tree 8 - a warning to branches and stratospheric kudos dispensed Simon has delivered yet another miraculous creation - the sound, packaging and content are first rate. We owe him sincere thanks and must count ourselves lucky to be part of all this via our luv of Joni. However as one of 3 DAT to Cassette dubbers I see a pitfall awaiting you Cassette to Cassette dubbers. Simon has, bless his heart, supplied the DAT with a 0dB reference tone (that's max loudness for you non techies) so that I can set my cassette copies to consume a good hearty magnetizing dinner - he recommends +5dB for Type II tape and +7dB for Type IV cassettes - IMO good retentive advice. (This is a rare example of a magnetition's attempts at humor) But the level of the Kanata, Ontario Concert has such huge dynamic range, that after a few minutes of cassette to cassette dubbing you might think, 'Hell's Bells! this is not too loud, I'll turn it up, my copy could get boosted in level from this." DON'T !!! Keep the copy at the same level as the branch original. Towards the end of the show, and especially in the surprise sting in the tail of this tape, the dynamic range is fully exploited and if you boost your copy you'll blotto out the end in gross analogue distortion. Guy NP Joni down at Max Yasgur's place 30 years on ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: CP joni's jazz - ---Jerry wrote: > How are most of you who are going handling tickets? Though Patrick warns > that the bleachers are not that close to the stage I'm coming 1800 miles > and can't bring a lawn chair. And not being a NYer, knowing the ins and > outs of time and place and space, want to be sure I get a spot. I, for one, am coming up to NYC from the Phila area with whomever (Bob, Bern, Catgirl, etc) wants to join m, figuring on lawn seating (or standing, as those at A Day in the Garden will remember). "Tickets? Who need stinking tickets??" ;-) Kenny Grant - are you up to a jmdl invasion?? Take care, Brian np: Natalie Merchant - Wonder (the remixed single) === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:06:09 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Joni excerpt from Mojo In a frank interview in the December issue of England's Mojo Joni Mitchell describes Bob Dylan as "a little brat." She says that when the two performed together in Japan this year, that Dylan "[was] pushing me off the mic. It's like he's basically dipping my pigtail in ink." Me writing now: Interesting that after she is quoted as saying this about Dylan, she goes on to talk about wife battering. Wasn't Dylan rumored to have mistreated his wife Sara? I think she embraces certain concepts of feminism but she can do without the label. I myself hate labels, so I can relate. Take care, Gina NP: Martin Sexton - The American ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:29:36 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Thank You At 02:22 AM 5/28/99 EDT, Anayajay@aol.com wrote: >Jenaya (aka jenaya@playnetwork.com home with an ulcer or eight and scheduled >for an upper GI in the morning. Thinking about you guys!!!) > Good luck, Jenaya, with the upper GI. I had one years ago and they found I had ulcers in my small intestine. Enjoy your milkshake! Cheers, Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:34:03 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Joni and our spouses I've only read a few posts so far but had to include: For my 40th B-Day, My husband Scott went through every Joni CD that I owned and bought what I did not have - which was one CD. His intentions were so sweet. He then went on to order videos. Not much luck there, so he gave me Joni's Complete Poems and Lyrics book. I love this book! Just the other day, I was listening to a Patty Larkin song entitled ' Mary Magdelene' and Scott said, " Isn't this a Joni song?" He's been listening :~) ?!!#! jody ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:25:09 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: spouses In a message dated 5/28/1999 2:49:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rsax@pacifier.com writes: << It was a time I'll never forget......thanks for listening and letting me relive that innocent time again! Cathy >> Great Story Cathy...what ever became of this old flame of your? Maybe HE is on the list too! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:41:24 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and our spouses In a message dated 5/28/1999 10:36:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnsonjs@earthlink.net writes: << For my 40th B-Day, My husband Scott went through every Joni CD that I owned and bought what I did not have - which was one CD. His intentions were so sweet. He then went on to order videos. Not much luck there, so he gave me Joni's Complete Poems and Lyrics book. I love this book! >> I got that same book from my husband a few Christmas' ago. I thought though that since it was comp[lete poems and lyrics that it would include the unreleased stuff as well. Wishful thinking.....hoping that some never befor heard song or poem was out there and was in the book. Catgirl ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #57 ***************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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