From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 20 1999 Volume 01 : Number 048 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- enterntainment weekly quiz [Nicholas Bates ] Re: ASCAP Awards ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni and Movies [Dflahm@aol.com] ascap [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni and Movies [MGVal@aol.com] Joni info from ASCAP Website [WirlyPearl@aol.com] ASCAP/Paprika Plains [Medric Faulkner ] Re: joni & movies [Debra Kaufman ] Re[2]: Two grey rooms [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Joni Dream [Steve Dulson ] Re: ascap [Phyliss Ward ] Re: enterntainment weekly quiz [Diana Duncan ] Joni on Ally McBeal (just a bit of Joni Content) [Mary Pitassi ] Joni mentioned in Hendrix mag [Heather Galli ] ASCAP tribute to Joni ["Kakki" ] Today in Joni History - May 20 [Today in Joni History ] Re: ASCAP/Paprika Plains [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) ["Kakki" ] Re: ASCAP tribute to Joni [philipf@tinet.ie] Re[2]: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) [Bob.Muller@] Re: Joni Dream [philipf@tinet.ie] Joni Dream [Steve Dulson ] RE: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) ["Wally Kairuz"] 2 trivia [Randy Remote ] Re: enterntainment weekly quiz [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Suzanne Vega's list (SJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] ASCP and Joni's photo [Ginamu@aol.com] Jazz takes on JM ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: enterntainment weekly quiz ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: enterntainment weekly quiz [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Too Grey Wooms [Michael Paz ] Re: Re[2]: Two grey rooms ["Helen M. Adcock" ] A Walk on the Moon [Ashara@aol.com] Re: enterntainment weekly quiz [Diana Duncan ] ASCAP piece and photo [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] Re: ASCAP piece and photo ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) [Susan Chaloner] Re: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) [Susan Chaloner] Re. ascap ["Eric Taylor" ] The wind is in from Africa ["Tube" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:00:44 +1000 From: Nicholas Bates Subject: enterntainment weekly quiz Entertainment Weekly on line are having a greatest music quiz and Joni has been nominated in at least two categories so JMDLers should make a visit to their site and tick/click the appropriate boxes. Go to http://cgi.pathfinder.com/ew. Nicholas in Sydny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:12:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: ASCAP Awards Bev wrote: > Just saw a clip on CNN from the ASCAP Awards. I looked up and they were > interviewing Joni - I had the tube on mute. Tripped over the coffee table > trying to find the remote control to unmute the TV. Never did find the > remote! I had to leap out of the bathtub (ahem) and run down the hall as soon as I heard the word "Joni" in the CNN drone. The reporter was saying something like "She has seen both sides now" and then they cut to the brief interview with Joni saying to the effect "Oh ya, I've seen it all, but it's been worth it. I had fun in my teens and I have fun now but the time in between was pretty rough at times. But it all worked out in the end - you figure things out." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:11:12 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Movies Yes, Carrie Snodgress, who has the greatest available example of a DETROIT accent, and Richard Benjamin were the stars of DIARY. I think there was also a brief cameo by Peter Boyle in the veryt last scene (Carrie starts group therapy) DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:30:58 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: ascap See the ASCAP web site for info on Joni's award: http://www.ascap.org/membership/pop99-4.html Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:45:45 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Movies In a message dated 99-05-18 11:29:27 EDT, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: >"Diary of a Mad Housewife " which also inspired Neil Young's song "A Man >Needs A Maid" from his Harvest LP, is occasionally shown on TV (on A&E >network, I think). Not only that, he married the film's star: Carrie Snodgrass..... I've never seen the movie, but I loved the book. Joni turned things around a bit because in her song, the implication is that the wife is the one pushing poor Harry along while he "drifts off into the memory..." In the book, it is the wife who spends a good deal of time wondering what changed the husband to become so "keeping up and surpassing the Joneses." What caught my eye was the jacket's blurb that said: "...(the author)....turns over a stone and out crawls a New York marriage." That intrigued me, since I had grown up in the midst of a New Jersey one and was wondering......... MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:59:38 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Joni info from ASCAP Website Hi Guys, Here's the pertinent info on Joni from the ASCAP Website. Thanks to Deb for letting us know where to find it. ASCAP In the News American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers Songwriter-Artist Joni Mitchell Honored with the ASCAP Founders Award at the 16th Annual ASCAP Pop Music Awards Diane Warren Songwriter of the Year for the Fifth Time, Sharing Honor with Swedish Writer Max Martin Warren's "How Do I Live" Named Song of the Year EMI Music and Warner/Chappell Share Publisher of the Year Honors Joni Mitchell, Madonna, Alanis Morissette, Jewel, Will Smith, Sean "Puffy" Combs, No Doubt, Diane Warren, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Shawn Colvin, Jermaine Dupri, Mase, Fiona Apple, Fastball, Natalie Merchant, The Beastie Boys, Usher, Next, Donna Lewis, and Edgar Bronfman, Jr. were among those honored May 17th at the 16th annual ASCAP Pop Music Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel. Over 700 leading songwriters, recording artists, and music industry notables gathered to salute the songwriters and publishers of ASCAP's most performed songs of the year at the black tie gala, hosted by Academy Award-winning songwriter, ASCAP President and Chairman Marilyn Bergman. The event featured special performances by Stevie Wonder, Brian McKnight and the songwriting team of Beth Neilsen Chapman and Annie Roboff. LeAnn Rimes and Janet Jackson were special presenters. Other music and entertainment luminaries in attendance included Warren G, Montel Jordan, Mase, Tia & Tamara Mowry, Jermaine Dupri, No Doubt and Wild Orchid. A highlight of the evening was the presentation of the ASCAP Founders Award to legendary songwriter and recording artist Joni Mitchell for her singular achievements as a songwriter and as an influence on generations of music creators and performers. "This award recognizes a truly original talent in music, a woman whose classic songs have succeeded as works of art and as commercial successes," said Marilyn Bergman. "Joni Mitchell's influence has been incalculable, and she is most deserving of this award, the highest honor ASCAP bestows on a songwriter," Mitchell's songwriting credits include: "Both Sides Now;" "Big Yellow Taxi;" "The Circle Game;" "Help Me; " Chelsea Morning; " Urge for Going" and "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio," and "Free Man In Paris." Janet Jackson and Stevie Wonder participated in the tribute to Mitchell, which featured a special performance of Mitchell's "Woodstock" by Stevie Wonder. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------------------------------------- Considering the honor, why do they only mention her "Hits" and not any work beyond Court and Spark???? With all the awards shows they put on TV why wasn't this one considered TV worthy, perhaps on MTV or VH1? Would have liked to see this repeated a few times. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 05:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: ASCAP/Paprika Plains Glad to see Paprika Plains is getting its due. I remember a review in Playboy in '77 describing it as "Dylan Joni ain't." Medric _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:42:16 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: joni & movies >Katie from the Cape asked about "Two Grey Rooms" and a Fassbinder film. On >Joni's video "Come in from the Cold" she said the song was inspired by a >story she'd heard about one of Fassbinder's circle of friends, so I don't >think it's in a particular movie. The most direct song/movie link of >course is "Shades of Scarlet" with "Gone with the Wind." How about The >Only Joy in Town linking with Fellini's "The Clowns" or "La Dolce Vita" >and "Ray's Dad's Cadillac"--"Rebel without a Cause." And although I don't like to plug commercial internet sites, I did have good luck finding some older, little-known videos on http://www.reel.com/ (specifically, "Fear Strikes Out," a late-1950s gem with Anthony Perkins and Karl Malden based on the life of Red Sox outfielder Jimmy Pearsall). What is "Up Joni's Starcase"? I see people listing it as now playing. Debra K **************************************************************** "The end is nothing. The road is all." -- Willa Cather ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:10:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Two grey rooms Nicholas asks: <> Nicholas, I'm sitting here racking my brain (not a real extended exercise, mind you) to think of a Joni song I'd want to hear sung by a classical or operatic singer, and can't think of a one! Even on "Two Grey Rooms", what I enjoy about Joni's vocal is the slight falters, the warmth she exudes when she sings. To me, an operatic voice would hit all the right notes but sound very cold, soulless, and sterile. I suppose I just don't appreciate that kind of singing. I say, leave them to Italian and let less technical but ultimately more soulful singers handle Joni. If they DO have such a tribute album though, I've got the title... Don Jonivanni! :~) Hopefully, somebody else out there will be more helpful than me! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:56:19 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni Dream Dear Dr. Sig, I had a Joni dream last night. A bunch of us jmdlers were at a Joni event, and she invited us back to her place to hang out. It looked much more like the Laurel Canyon house than her Bel Air place. I got out my dulcimer to play something for her, and the bass D string kept slipping! Would not go into tune! Yikes! So I get out my guitar and sit on the floor, tuning up to my electronic tuner. Joni walks over and says "Still using metal, huh?" And I reply"Er...yeah, heh heh..." not having the slightest idea what she was talking about. I'm thinking "metal strings? Maybe she meant using the tuner instad of doing it by ear?" Joni being such a night owl, the party went on past dawn, and I'm thinking "How am I going to explain THIS to Michele, as I write PARTY AT JONI'S over both a Thursday and Friday in my month-at-a-glance calendar. Yes, doctor, I'm perfectlly relaxed...go ahead... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:06:25 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: ascap Thanks for the link Deb! The article is glowing! I love it! I just forwarded it to all my friends : - ) This is so they don't think I'm quite as crazy being such a fanatic about Joni. Does anyone know where/when the top (most recent) photo was taken? She looks gorgeous! Deb Messling wrote: > See the ASCAP web site for info on Joni's award: > > http://www.ascap.org/membership/pop99-4.html - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:14:29 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Re: enterntainment weekly quiz At 05:00 PM 5/19/1999 +1000, Nicholas Bates wrote: >Entertainment Weekly on line are having a greatest music quiz and Joni has been nominated in at least two categories so JMDLers should make a visit to their site and tick/click the appropriate boxes. >Go to http://cgi.pathfinder.com/ew. I just went to this sight and voted. Joni is nominated in 2 categories. Come on everyone! Let's really do it this time. I know there are hundreds on the list. Support Joni!!!!! I found some of the categories really hard to narrow down! Diana, Who just came back from buying afternoon Star Wars tickets. How many other first day fans out there???? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:22:14 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Joni on Ally McBeal (just a bit of Joni Content) Yes, hearing Vonda's take on "Both Sides Now" was wonderful--although I admit that my first reaction was intensely practical. I sat up straight on the couch, looked over at my Significant Other beside me (alas, not a Joni fan, poor man: his loss), and said, "What you're hearing now is the sound of Joni Mitchell earning royalties at 55 for a song she wrote when she was 23." Would that it could have been lots of them!! And Catgirl, your sister-in-law was *superb*! I love her to pieces. However, I just have to ask: what's with the female characters with car names on David Kelley-produced shows? First, after a series of summer ads for Cadillac a few years back urging prospective buyers to "lease a Catera," lo and behold, a new neurosurgeon appears on "Chicago Hope" named--drum role--Lisa Catera. And now we have Margaret Camaro on "Ally McBeal." In fact, the number of syllables (sort of) and their stresses are exactly the same! The significance of all this cosmically, please? Mary P. - --Off to work (and to get a life ;-) ). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:57:07 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Joni on CNN I was flipping through channels yesterday and they were interviewing Joni on Cnn did anyone catch it and are they going to play it again? Peace, Craig NP: Passion 99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:14:48 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Joni mentioned in Hendrix mag While looking through the magazine section in Barnes & Noble yesterday I saw this particular magazine devoted to Jimi Hendrix. The title of the mag is *Experience* and it was the May/June issue. Anyway, there was a mention of Joni under an article dedicated to women in rock. Nothing was mentioned that JMDLers don't already know ;-) Just thought I'd mention it. If it was already mentioned here, I apologize for the repeat. Heather np: Soundtrack to "Damage" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:40:49 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: ASCAP tribute to Joni I thought the tribute speech for Joni last night was so beautiful and fitting it should be copied here. Whoever penned this really knows their Joni. Kakki ************************************ The writer of the Book of Ecclesiastes lamented, "There is no new thing under the sun." The 20th Century poet, Ezra Pound, responded, "Make it new!" The artist' s challenge has always been to make it new. With the exception of filmed arts (which are now over one hundred years old), the mediums have been much the same since the dawn of humankind; painting, textile, architecture, music and literature. What a challenge then to make something that is millions of years old, new. And yet, each generation gives us artists who rise to meet that challenge. Not only do they meet it over their lifetime with their body of work, but a small few will meet the challenge within their body of work. Joni Mitchell is among less than a handful of 20th Century songwriters whose work both resonates with history and is surprising, enlightening and completely modern. And Joni Mitchell has been able to infuse all of her artistry with art' s most necessary components; truth and beauty. But, these are loaded words -- truth and beauty. Truth: It is the essence of the thing. Truth is a refining tool. It can come both hard and painful or subtly and as a revelation. Beauty: A delight of the senses and the mind. Beauty is always subject to the particular filter of the individual. Given their seeming malleability, to raise one' s art through truth and beauty is particularly difficult. For over thirty years, Joni Mitchell has endeavored to raise her art through truth and beauty. She has understood that all art has the potential to stand the test of time, and the body of work for which we honor her tonight will undoubtedly be some of the most revered and remembered work by generations to come. But this endeavor is not an easy one, nor one that is honored for its own sake. Joni has written: We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone Well I looked at the granite markers Those tributes to finality-to eternity And then I looked at myself here Chicken scratching for my immortality. What glorious chicken scratching it has been! Joni's description of her work is a subtle way in which her intellectual acuity is underplayed in her work. Few songwriters have engaged the intellect as deftly as Joni Mitchell has, and even fewer have done it through as many recurring themes or as varied a musical palette. Joni has written of love, naturally, but has also written honestly and insightfully about travel, remembrance, culture, justice, civility, society, sexuality, nature, art, ever-present parents and longed-for children. She has done it acoustically, orchestrally, as rock songs, folk songs, jazz songs, blues songs, gospel songs, coloured by rhythm, world-beat, electronica and a capella. Most of these things long, long before they were vogue. Throughout her career, Mitchell has embraced many musical idioms. She has made each of them her own by synthesizing each style through her particular magical musical artistry. On each of her twenty records, Joni' s technical mastery and poetic proficiency result in profound achievement. Joni has always been a poet. From her debut album to last year' s Taming The Tiger, her lyrics have made her work inimitable. Each song has its compelling lyrics and each displays something that is quintessentially Joni: The marriage of common event and intellectual insight that is a hallmark of her music. The profundity that comes to her (and is memorialized in her work) comes in everyday ways, the way profound things often come in life; in bars, at parties, at friend' s houses, over dinner, over drinks, over photo albums, while dancing, while taking a break from dancing, at stoplights, on long drives, on midways, at carnivals and through hearing an old favorite song. But there is always more to the artistry that runs throughout Joni Mitchell' s music. There is the complexity of the music itself, coupled with the visceral images that spring forth from all of Joni' s lyrics. But, one also senses the painterly vision that is so integral to the music of Joni Mitchell. She dreams "paprika plains and a turquoise river snaking." And with just the painter' s finesse, she leaves the rest of the dreaming to the listener. A painting only captures one moment in time, but its resonance can be manifold. In her nearly seventeen minute long song, "Paprika Plains," the stage is set by the color of Joni' s lyrical description, but the dreaming is musical. There are no sung lyrics for nearly eleven minutes as the orchestra weaves through the dreaming landscape of both the artist' s and the audiences' mind. And then. Then the rain that has drawn out the memory and the dream "retreats like troops to fall on other fields and streets." And back on the dance floor, the night finds its rhythm again and lovers float back into each other' s arms. "Paprika Plains" is only one of Joni' s songs and only one of many places in which she has put to use her prowess as a songwriter who is uniquely alone as a visionary poet, truth-teller and ruminating philosopher. The tension that exists between the artist' s desire to attain and their sometimes forced connection to enterprise has been a running theme in Joni' s work. The balance that must be struck to tread the tightrope between art and commerce have resulted in some of her most insightful songs. "In some office sits a poet/And he trembles as he sings/And he asks some guy/To circulate his soul around..." she sings on the title track to 1972' s For The Roses. "For The Roses" speaks to a theme -- subjecting artistic integrity to the public' s fancy and the corporate machinations -- that has recurred throughout her work. The ASCAP Founder' s Award is most appropriately given to a songwriter who strives to create a body of work that is rich with artistry, who does not repeat herself and whose legacy is so like the legacy left by ASCAP' s founders, among them Victor Herbert, Jerome Kern and John Philip Sousa. But, back to truth and beauty for a moment. Joni has written ironically, "We can solve everything in science." But the artist knows that science is of little use to the eternal questions, the ones that are best dealt with by art and its magnification of truth and beauty. Human history will have its milestones. Each successive generation will look back on the waves on which they rode to arrive at their moment in time and will almost always find the answers to the questions they ask in the arts. In 1994, Joni Mitchell said, "The arts are an important part of cultural justice, and truth and beauty are the essence of their greatness, so artists have big responsibility in every era to probe the rules by which we live, inquiring whether they serve us well." Tonight, we recognize Joni Mitchell for honoring that responsibility through her words, music -- her immortal "chicken scratching" -- and the immeasurably deep artistic legacy that she has created. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:59:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - May 20 Today's tidbits are all from Wally's bio page: 1988: [Today], Joni had a solo art exhibit at the Parco Gallery in Toyko that coincided with the release there of CHALK MARK IN A RAIN STORM. This show was her first "for sale" art exhibition. See an article from the exhibit at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tokyo88.html 1994: The three day concert billed as "The Great Music Experience" and held in Nara, Japan at an 8th century Buddhist Todaiji temple, featured musicians from around the world playing on each others songs. Bob Dylan, the Chieftains, INXS, and many other performers played three nights of music with the final night being a live worldwide broadcast that was also taped for later syndicated release in still other countries. Photos and a review can be found at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Nara94.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:01:29 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: ASCAP/Paprika Plains In a message dated 5/19/1999 8:04:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, megg56@yahoo.com writes: << Glad to see Paprika Plains is getting its due. I remember a review in Playboy in '77 describing it as "Dylan Joni ain't." Medric >> ....and I am sure we are all very greatful that Dylan Joni ain't is true. That album is epic. Dylan doesn't hold a candle to that girl in my opinion. He can't even begin to do half the things she can do...and her guitar playing blows him out of the water! Catgirl... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:04:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) Bob wrote: > Nicholas asks: > > < operatically trained singers?>> > > Nicholas, I'm sitting here racking my brain (not a real extended > exercise, mind you) to think of a Joni song I'd want to hear sung by a > classical or operatic singer, and can't think of a one! Even on "Two > Grey Rooms", what I enjoy about Joni's vocal is the slight falters, > the warmth she exudes when she sings. To me, an operatic voice would > hit all the right notes but sound very cold, soulless, and sterile. I > suppose I just don't appreciate that kind of singing. I generally agree with you, Bob, but think there may be a few that, with the right singer and presentation, could cross over to operatic or classical interpretation very nicely. Off the top of my head I think of I Had A King, Pirate of Penance; Rainy Night House; My Old Man (all those impossibly high notes ;-); most of the cuts on For the Roses; The Same Situation; Down to You; Sweet Bird; Shados and Light; Paprika PLains; Silky Veils of Ardor; Slouching Towards Bethlehem and Turbulent Indigo. And how about Lead Balloon for rock opera? ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:23:24 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: James Taylor In Europe JT, Arnold McCuller, Clifford Carter, Bob Mann, Jimmy Johnson and Russ Kunkel kicked off the European tour in Berlin last night. Here's the set list : [1st Set] Something In The Way She Moves, Everyday, Wasn't That A Mighty Storm, Line 'Em Up, Carolina In My Mind, Anywhere Like Heaven, Jump Up Behind Me, You've Got A Friend, Brother Trucker, Don't Let Me Be Lonely Tonight, Shower The People, Steamroller Blues [2nd Set] Another Day, Me And My Guitar, Walking Man, Up On The Roof, Never Die Young, Mexico, Country Road, Fire And Rain, Your Smiling Face [Encores] Not Fade Away, Secret O' Life, Sweet Baby James, You Can Close Your Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:47:51 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: ASCAP tribute to Joni - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki >I thought the tribute speech for Joni last night was so beautiful and >fitting it should be copied here. Whoever penned this really knows their >Joni. Kakki > I agree, it's the best piece of writing I've seen about any artist in years, or at least since Nick Kent's last eulogy to Iggy Pop in the NME sometime in 1978. Philip NP Evening Session ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:59:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) Kakki says: <> Of these you mention, I think only Pirate of Penance would work; it's almost already written in a coloratura fashion. My Old Man would be the perfect example of the OTHER extreme IMO - no classically trained singer could "unlearn" how they've been trained to sing to refocus on the near-jazz vocal styling required to pull the song off. Joni makes it seem so easy that anyone else could do it, but I'd much rather hear someone who couldn't hit those high notes but could capture the emotion. Shadows & Light was the first tune I thought of originally but didn't mention it - I guess Joni's vocals have spoiled me! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:15:29 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Joni Dream - -----Original Message----- From: Steve Dulson >I had a Joni dream last night. Steve, I'm disappointed, I thought you Californians hung out with Joni in real life, while others just dream flat tyres. Philip NP John Peel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:35:41 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni Dream Philip wrote: >I'm disappointed, I thought you Californians hung out with Joni in >real life Oh, that's only on the WEEKENDS...this was a dream about a Thursday night. I'll tell Joni on Saturday - she's sure to get a kick out of it. :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:04:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) I've always thought that Banquet would PERFECT for a soprano "spinto" or "dramatico". Unfortunately, there are few left in the world: it's a voice type that's dying out. More later. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:10:08 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: 2 trivia 1. Nobody has answered this one. Who came up with the phrase "Willie The Shake"? It was comic/humorist/hipster Lord Buckley, in the late fifties. He was called that 'cause he SHOOK everybody! Lord Buckley, a contemporary of Lenny Bruce, Mort Sahl, et al, used his hipster jargon to profile Jesus ("The Nazz"), Ghandhi, and others. His influence has been seen in the work of the Beatles, Dylan, Robin Williams (and probably every other comedian), and Joni to name a few. Now you know. 2. A friend several years ago turned me on to an album by Rosie Vela which I really liked. Found a website devoted to this fashion model/musician/actress which had this trivia I was not aware of. Rosie and Joni sang backup on Don Henley's song "Who Owns This Place?" from the ST to "The Color Of Money". Apologies to those of you who already know this. From: http://home.earthlink.net/zimbabwe/zazu.html RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:48:27 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: enterntainment weekly quiz In a message dated 5/19/1999 11:14:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dduncan@ipa.net writes: << Entertainment Weekly on line are having a greatest music quiz and Joni has been nominated in at least two categories so JMDLers should make a visit to their site and tick/click the appropriate boxes. >Go to http://cgi.pathfinder.com/ew. I just went to this sight and voted. Joni is nominated in 2 categories. Come on everyone! Let's really do it this time. I know there are hundreds on the list. Support Joni!!!!! I found some of the categories really hard to narrow down! Diana, Who just came back from buying afternoon Star Wars tickets. How many other first day fans out there???? >> I just tried to go and was told it either moved or was deleted......now how can I vote??? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:29:27 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Suzanne Vega's list (SJC) I heard from a long time JMDLer who has corresponded with me personally, that Suzanne is not a big favorite among list members...but...I can't contain my excitement, as I *am* a big fan and I recently joined the list! Also, I know of at least two other people on our list who are fans, Bob Muller being one of them. Firstly, to my pleasant surprise, there are something like 13 Portuguese people on the list (I am Portuguese, though a long time in the States now). Also, I don't recall who it was on the JMDL who posted about how Suzanne posts to her list fairly regularly...well...she did so recently and it was just such a treat! I saw her perform for the first time recently and then shortly after joining her list, she posts and well...I really like that! Then I began to think about some of the things we've discussed here about Joni: her voice, her complexion, her lovers...all with relative freedom since we must assume she doesn't subscribe to the list. It really makes a difference in what I post about Suzanne. I was wondering how people would feel if Joni was reading each and every post. Just a thought. Take care, Gina NP: Rainy Night House (what a beautiful rain here in Massachusetts) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:18:03 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: ASCP and Joni's photo I visited the ASCAP website. I loved the speech, of course but that photo just above where the text begins...is that really Joni? It doesn't look like her to me. If I looked at this photo out of context, I would not say it was Joni but someone who sort resembles her.She looks much more like her daughter than I've ever seen any recent photo reveal. Anyone else see what I mean? http://www.ascap.org/membership/pop99-4.html Gina NPIMH: It's a thinnn line between love and hate...as the pretenders do it (can't play anything, it's still homework time around here) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:42:16 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Jazz takes on JM On May 17 on "After Hours" Ross Porter's jazz show on CBC radio he opened the show with "Solid Love" and "Edith And The Kingpin" from David Lahm's Jazz Takes On Joni Michell. Unfortunately I missed it that night but it was listed on the show's log. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:48:27 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: enterntainment weekly quiz >I just went to this sight and voted. Joni is nominated in 2 categories. >Come on everyone! Let's really do it this time. I know there are hundreds >on the list. Support Joni!!!!! >I found some of the categories really hard to narrow down! Just voted on this quiz - I also found some of the categories really hard to narrow down, but couldn't believe when I got to the end, and saw the results, that Whitney Houston has the most votes for "Best Song (Modern)" for "I Will Always Love You". Didn't Dolly Parton do that song first - quite some time ago???? Or that the Spice Girls have two votes for "Most Underrated Artist or Group". Scary Spice indeed!!! Helen NP - Indigo Girls - Shaming of the Sun ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:06:09 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: enterntainment weekly quiz In a message dated 5/19/99 9:53:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Just voted on this quiz - I also found some of the categories really hard to narrow down, but couldn't believe when I got to the end, and saw the results, that Whitney Houston has the most votes for "Best Song (Modern)" for "I Will Always Love You". Didn't Dolly Parton do that song first - quite some time ago???? >> Yes, in fact, Dolly wrote it. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:07:48 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Too Grey Wooms Mark wrote: "Maybe the person speaking in this song has formed the habit of watching his former lover in his mind's eye, mentally checking out, so to speak, while indulging his fantasy (no-one knows I'm here/one day I just disappeared). At some point the urge to actually see the object of his obsession finally compels him to seek the man out. Although it just now occurs to me that the line 'you look so youthful/time has been untruthful' is rather ambiguous. Maybe he really is only fantasizing still and has never actually found the guy." Mark- I have always thought of this song as gender less in the truest sense of the word. I think it is very conspicuous on "her" part to do so, in the song. I buy the "minds eye" and "fantasy" part without any problem, but I don't see the "guy" part of it. Plenty of women I know had their shirts undone this weekend at Springfest in Pensacola. Nowhere in the song does it say he or her. I love singing this song and I think the attraction is that it about running away, disappearing, seeking out someone (from our past), and this is a fantasy to anyone like myself who is committed to a relationship with someone and raising children. I don't normally put this out for the masses to attack, or to defer from your point of view, it is just my heart and my view. I hope you are well and looking forward to seeing you again (possibly at Ashara's) Glad to be talking about a Joni song, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:21:10 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Two grey rooms Bob wrote: >Nicholas, I'm sitting here racking my brain (not a real extended >exercise, mind you) to think of a Joni song I'd want to hear sung by a >classical or operatic singer, and can't think of a one! Even on "Two >Grey Rooms", what I enjoy about Joni's vocal is the slight falters, >the warmth she exudes when she sings. To me, an operatic voice would >hit all the right notes but sound very cold, soulless, and sterile. I >suppose I just don't appreciate that kind of singing. I say, leave >them to Italian and let less technical but ultimately more soulful >singers handle Joni. I agree. I've heard Kiri Te Kanawa (New Zealander opera singer, yay!!!) sing some non-operatic songs, and while her voice is technically spot-on, it's actually TOO correct! You've hit it on the button with the word "sterile". It just sounds too wooden and impersonal. Don't get me wrong, she's a wonderful opera singer, but that kind of voice (IMO) is just not suited to contemporary music, and never will be. Helen NP - Indigo Girls (still the same album!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:51:06 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: A Walk on the Moon I have been waiting what seems like eons to see the movie "A Walk on the Moon." Ever since Barbara mentioned this movie in a post many moons ago, I have searched my area to see when it would be playing. Finally, yesterday, I gave up waiting for it to come to me and drove quite a ways to see it. What a wonderful movie!!! It was set in 1969, and was full of all the songs from that time, including Joni singing "Cactus Tree." It made me realize how fast a song can reel me back to a time long gone. For an hour and 45 minutes, I was immediately transported back to 1969, and to the time when I first fell in love with Joni's music, back to Woodstock, back to the Viet Nam war, back........ I once again realized how strong a connection music is to my life and to my soul, and how music has traveled the path with me through every step of my journey. Don't miss this movie! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:55:59 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Re: enterntainment weekly quiz At 07:48 PM 5/19/1999 EDT, CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > >Go to http://cgi.pathfinder.com/ew. > >> >I just tried to go and was told it either moved or was deleted......now how >can I vote??? Catgirl, Try it again. I just went again and it's there. Sometimes web browsers are down for a little while for up dating. Keep Trying everyone! Thanks for your review on Star Wars Jim. I liked it too. It was a fun, visual ride for the kid in all of us. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: ASCAP piece and photo Gina and gang Going to the ASCAP page last night, the first thing that I thought of too, was how much Joni's picture on the looked like Kilauren.....uncanny resemblance! And fess up, humble Kakki, YOU were the writer of that fabulous, fabulous presentation piece, weren't you? ;-) Smiles to all Penny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:15:40 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: ASCAP piece and photo Penny wrote (and Gina commented) > Going to the ASCAP page last night, the first thing that I thought of > too, was how much Joni's picture on the looked like Kilauren.....uncanny > resemblance! It is so uncanny how much she looks like Kilauren. I believe this photo is from part of a series shot by her make-up artist Paul Starr. The other photos are/were on Wally's page and they also, while glamourous, don't look like Joni. I'm telling you - it's all done with smoke and mirrors (and botox and collagen injections!) That's O.K. - everyone is entitled to a change in look at times but happiness is the best...you know ;-) >And fess up, humble Kakki, YOU were the writer of that > fabulous, fabulous presentation piece, weren't you? Shhhhh.....I also had a lot of help from Steve Dulson while we were at Joni's last Thursday - we were up for two days trying to get it just right. (itsajoke;-) Thank you, Penny. ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:24:55 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) Kakki wrote: > And how about Lead Balloon for rock opera? ;-D YES!!! And it just so happens that I am practicing my glass-shattering ability with a smokey voice in order to wow the rock-opera world in the autumn...I'll fly the "Lead Balloon" on the very next tribute...Aren't you lucky? ;~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Must be the Irish blood..."-that Joni! ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:25:12 -0700 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni as classical/operatic music (was Two grey rooms) Wally Kairuz wrote: > > I've always thought that Banquet would PERFECT for a soprano "spinto" or > "dramatico". Unfortunately, there are few left in the world: it's a voice > type that's dying out. More later. Hey, Wally tangoman! I'm thoroughly, lyrically and dramatically spintoed...If you could hear me now ;~D You can't just leave us hanging like that! More Now! Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...hangin' on your boom, boom pachyderm..."-that Joni ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:30:35 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re. ascap Thank you! Deb! for sharing this heartening link: <> It is SO GREAT to see Joni finally receive the recognition she rightly deserves - especially for masterpieces like Paprika Plains! Y'all probably know by now that I think Joni is the most gifted artist/musician of the 20th Century. Definately check out this site & send it to all your friends! It gives me hope for the future. E.T. NP: The Crest Of Joni Mitchell (formally known as Up Joni's Starcase, with minor changes).... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:40:40 +0200 From: "Tube" Subject: The wind is in from Africa Here in Rome, the wind really does blow in from Africa; It's only three hundred miles away across the Mediterranean, and whenever there's a rainstorm blowing here from the south, it rains down sand in Rome that the wind has whipped up from the desert in the North Sahara and Morocco. It's a pain in the butt actually, because when it dries, your car and all the windows in your house are covered in a fine golden-brown dust. Romantic though. Do you get the same thing in California from Nevada/Colorado? Last night was just such a night, (only a light fall of sand this time though), but whenever it happens I find myself singing 'Carey' when I get up in the morning and see the dust on the windows. (you can almost smell it or feel it in the atmosphere before you see it). This morning I finished washing and shaving just as I finished the song, looked in the bathroom mirror and said to myself "You're a mean old daddy but I LIKE you!" Tube _____________________________________________________________ Get a Life - Get a RomeLife! at www. fortunecity.com/victorian/plath/175 _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #48 ***************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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