From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #45 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, May 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 045 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Two Grey Rooms [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] Taming the Tiger ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Two Grey Rooms [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Two Grey Rooms [luvart@snet.net] Re: Save Our List (long but earnest!) ["Kakki" ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] Observations from a returning member [Phyliss Ward ] [Fwd: Where Did Our Love Go?] [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Two Grey Rooms ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: [Fwd: Where Did Our Love Go?] [catman ] Re: Taming the Tiger ["Eric Taylor" ] FWIW: Hole... and Joni [Vince Lavieri ] FWIW: Joni in Rushdie's new book [Vince Lavieri ] In Memory -- One Year Ago ["Eric G. Postel" ] Re: [Fwd: Where Did Our Love Go?] [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: [Fwd: Where Did Our Love Go?] ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:07:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Two Grey Rooms I get the digest form of the list and tonight's was very sobering. Looks like it's time for us all to pitch in, and post something somewhat pleasant and Joni!!! I'll start, OK? It's really pretty easy! :-) Another lister and I came to the surprizing realization the other day, that we share a common first take of the line from Two Grey Rooms, "And I took these two grey rooms up, with a view". We similarly took this line to be about how our brains have two hemisheres, being grey in color and the different views from of each side of the brain, left being logical and detail oriented, while the right, emotional and creative. Speaking only for myself here, I was a bit disappointed when I heard the actual storyline, because I liked the cerebral version much better. I thought it had a more powerful message with a much larger scope. Did anyone else error as I / we did? And if you did have that same first take, did you give up the larger view when you heard the real story behind it? anyone? anyone? Smiles, Penny ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:46:49 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Taming the Tiger God! You think this list has got problems - you should see what they're discussing over on HWY61-L (the Bobbydiddle). Somebody wrote: >>> As a conservative (more or less) I am more worried about gratuitous sex >>>than gratuitous violence Don't let's even go there!! So how has 'Taming the Tiger' been going down around the world? Anyone seen any reviews? Found this in the latest issue of Rock 'n' Reel - I hope she gets to see it too and it encourages her to come back to the UK for at least one more tour. Not likely I know but I hate the thought of never seeing her 'live' again. JONI MITCHELL - TAMING THE TIGER Throughout her remarkable career Joni Mitchell has vigorously maintained a personal and universal appeal without ever compromising her artistic vision. In this latest work, the poetic imagery and emotion which has charmed and dazzled listeners for over three decades is as rich and profound as we have come to expect from a unique singer-songwriter. It's usesless to compare previous albums. Each one, standing alone, reflects a time and place along her private road. Joni Mitchell has always been a moving light - shifting and changing and continually growing. The jazz feel she developed years ago is still evident in the album's style but, for me, the substance of her voice and words, maturing like vintage wine, have always been the hallmark of her class. Don't just listen to these new songs; read and study them at the same time, and allow the glory of a true poet to weave her spell. As ever, they contest and question and reveal the rigour and beauty of life with canny, striking observations. In my reckoning 'Keep in Touch', 'No Apology', 'Love Puts on a New Face', Taming the Tiger' and 'Face Lift' are classic creations. Abetted by quality musicians and arrangements, this is Joni Mitchell's 'best to you'. But then, what else would you expect? And indeed, what next on this great, long, shining road? Another corner, I pray! Noel Hodgson Rock 'n' Reel btw Rock 'n' Reel is a great little magazine for all interested in 'roots, rock, blues and beyond' with loads of reviews and, in the latest issue, interviews/features about artists as diverse as Taj Mahal, Nanci Griffith, Martin Carthy, Country Joe McDonald, Peter Green, Donal Lunny, Cherish the Ladies, The Levellers etc etc. I'd be happy to supply details to anyone interested. PaulC pdcmusic@freeuk.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:23:21 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Penny spends her thoughts: << Speaking only for myself here, I was a bit disappointed when I heard the actual storyline, because I liked the cerebral version much better. I thought it had a more powerful message with a much larger scope. Did anyone else error as I / we did? And if you did have that same first take, did you give up the larger view when you heard the real story behind it? >> Penny, please don't think you "erred" because you give Two Grey Rooms more scope than the story behind it - Even Joni herself says that what matters is what YOU pull from the words and your application and interpretation, so there's no error, I don't think your "feelings" can be wrong...that's how you feel! The cerebral concept of the song has been discussed before as well, so others have thought the same. When I wrote a bit ago about C&S as a song cycle, others said that "Free Man" was a song about David Geffen, "Trouble Child" was about Crosby, etc. That all may be true, but it doesn't change the way I feel those songs. Same thing with "Man From Mars", knowing it's about a cat doesn't stop me from looking at the song through a much larger lens and seeing a person crying from ANY type of separation. That's the beauty of Joni's stuff; she supplies the frames and some color, and we get to put our own visions inside... Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Picture In A Frame" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:38:39 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms In a message dated 99-05-16 04:10:02 EDT, Zapuppy@webtv.net writes: >Speaking only for myself here, I was a bit disappointed when I heard the >actual storyline, because I liked the cerebral version much better. While listening to WTRF, I had a sudden thought not too dissimilar to Penny's "different" interpretation of "Two Grey Rooms." Within the concept of the two sides of the brain, I started thinking about two of the songs being about Joni herself: "Man to Man," (a bit more obvious) and then "Ladies' Man," (maybe not as obvious). Given her dual nature and her very strong and exclusive bonds to her muse, ("I feel like I'm married to this guy Art," I can remember reading in a cover story in Time or Newsweek way too many darn years ago), wouldn't she be in one in "Ladies' Man" who is not only "so hot," but "so cold, so cold," as well? Can't one side of her battle with the side that surrenders to love? Might she not always be at war with "what are you going to let love be?" (there's another song where I see Joni as the main subject of the song). The discussion of songs always reminds me of a James Taylor lyric: "painters use their eyes to tell us what they see, when that canvas dries we all see it differently." Lastly, before I hang it up for today, this bit from Van Morrion's new CD, "Back on Top" jumped out at me, vis-a-vis our many, many discussions on Joni and "what does she mean." The song is "New Biography" and it goes in part: "reinvented all the stories they know Give them all a different slant What is it that they're really looking for Just a hobby on the Internet" And I thought: "busted!" MG np: "Reminds Me of You" Van Morrison "I miss you so much, I can't stand it Seems like my heart, is breaking in two My head says no, but my soul demands it Everything I do, reminds me of you" What a tearjerker!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:54:00 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms At 01:07 AM 5/16/99 -0700, Rick & Penny Gibbons wrote: >Another lister and I came to the surprizing realization the other day, >that we share a common first take of the line from Two Grey Rooms, "And >I took these two grey rooms up, with a view". We similarly took this >line to be about how our brains have two hemisheres, being grey in color >and the different views from of each side of the brain, left being >logical and detail oriented, while the right, emotional and creative. >Speaking only for myself here, I was a bit disappointed when I heard the >actual storyline, because I liked the cerebral version much better. I >thought it had a more powerful message with a much larger scope. Did >anyone else error as I / we did? And if you did have that same first >take, did you give up the larger view when you heard the real story >behind it? Ah ..... YES! I've been meaning to touch on this for some time now (I've been a bit on the lazy side lately :-) I agree with your take on this song and I don't think it is in error. I wasn't disappointed to hear the storyline. It just made more sense to me knowing how Joni approached this song. I think our Joni was showing her brilliance again! She took this story line and added more depth to it. The actuality of this man living in two bleak rooms .....and all his thoughts of his past lover. In this, Two Grey Rooms takes on a duality. Listen to the lyrics: No one knows I'm here One day I just disappeared And I took these two grey rooms up here How often does one get so lost in their thoughts? Retreating to our *two grey rooms*? No one knows your there, right? Just you and your thoughts. Then Joni does something that gives me goosebumps .... she sings: With a view Those three words with an airy, dreamlike vastness to it. The way she uses harmonies and echo as one just drifts off into thought. Then she adds: When you walk by Below my window Joni captures the vision in the minds eye (window). This is where she ties two actual grey rooms with the two grey sides of ones brain in an interfenestral way. IMO Joni has taken someone's lifelong sadness and tied it to all of us. Joni's impeccable insight at work again. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:59:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Save Our List (long but earnest!) Kate, thanks for your viewpoints. It takes courage for people like you and Debra to bring these issues to the list. I've been in your shoes and know how it feels - horrific. I do not disagree with you wanting to expose the issue but feel compelled to elaborate on the pitfalls of posting private email to the list as a solution. (I'm really not a cold-hearted legalist - in fact I'm most often accused of being "too nice" and "too idealistic"). Probably the main reason not to post private email to a discussion list is that it violates the rights of the person whose mail is being forwarded. Now some may think that the person has given up their rights by sending an abusive email but legally they do not. In reality we cannot make up ALL our own rules here. The discussion list is owned and operated in the United States and is subject to U.S. law. Our JMDL community "laws" do not supercede Federal law, no matter how well-intentioned. We can try to split the governing law and say we will only allow the private posting exposed if it is abusive. That still does not exempt us from the real law. We can also decide to flout the law in an act of civil disobedience. Unfortunately, if the law is flouted on the "territory" and under the auspices of the discussion list, it definitely leaves the listowner, Smoe.org and possibly all the rest of the listmembers open to civil complaint at best, and civil liability at worst. Knowing that, is it still worth the cause to ignore the law? I know some of you reading this now are laughing and thinking there she goes again with her hypothetical legal arguments. Well, a similar situation actually happened to me on another internet group to which I subscribed a few years ago. Without getting into too many details (because legal issues are still outstanding on that case) - two people started flaming each other and attacking each other's integrity in their posts openly to the rest of the subscribers. Eventually, one person went to a lawyer and drafted a civil complaint for slander and libel against the other person. Fine, you say, that's their business, right? Unfortunately this person also named in his complaint every one of the 300 listmembers of the group, the moderator and the larger system that hosted the group and all its' principals. I had never even posted to this group one single time but this person somehow got ahold of all the names of the subscribers. Fine, you say, so what - I had not personally done anything wrong, so why was I worried? For one thing no one wants to see a potential lawsuit coming their way for any reason, especially when one has been innocently sucked into it. For another thing, no one wants to have to spend money and hire a lawyer to defend them, even if it is just to get the case dismissed against them. After three straight days (of lost work time) being put through an absolute nightmare in this situation, I was able to succesfully extricate myself from it. This is one good, if harrowing, example of why it is may not be fair or ultimately prudent to the whole internet group to get them involved in a dispute or expose them to liability that does not involve them. This discussion group involved a stock I owned. Another bad thing that came out of this dispute was that all the commotion rang bells at the SEC and other Federal agencies who shut down the discussion group, initiated an investigation and subpoened a few listmembers. Not fun. My stock also went from booming to worthless overnight, btw. Yes, this situation involved a different set of facts but my point is that we should be thoughtful and careful in our actions here, even if they sound good in theory. I'll reiterate that the appropriate place for complaint is with the offenders ISP or real law enforcement. If the offender is from another state in the U.S., then contact your local U.S. Attorney's Office. If the offender is from another country, I'm not sure what you can do, but contacting the ISP is a good start. Another benefit of going the legal route privately is that the law does not leave it up to other people to decide if the mail you've received is abusive. The law specifies that the test of whether it is offensive is solely the interpretation of the recipient (vs. the varying opinions of 500 listmembers). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Thanks Bob, for the correction of my choice of words. I errored for using the word "error" in relation to an interpretation of the line from Two Grey Rooms. After reading last night's list, I hastily posted the first "Joni thought" that popped into my head, so as to prompt and participate in, getting back to some pleasant Joni conversations. I enjoy this list very much, and was disheartened to think we may need "laws" to keep people respectful of others. Hey Bob, got a question? When you keep score at your son's little league games, is it "That's not an error! That's not an error!" LOL Blessings to all, Penny ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:14:49 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Observations from a returning member Hi all I'm back from my trek to Indonesia and Micronesia and came back online with the JMDL Thursday. I've opted to do the "Joni only" list this time. It's interesting because I've noticed a couple of things like: 1. Not everybody is perfect about NJC in the title. ( I'm not complaining here, I've accidentally forgotten to do it myself before) 2. There is very little JC communication taking place. 3. It appears the flame wars have flared again! Come on you guys! As Les would say...Tolerance, Tolerance, Tolerance! I've met so many wonderful folks on this list. It can be a great experience! Let's not tarnish it! After this post I'm going to forward to the list a brilliant post/parody of Leslie Mixon's that was written 8 months ago for your perusal. I saved it for some reason, now I know why. Oh yeah, the JC... Being as I was in such exotic places as Bali and Palau for about 3 weeks, and traveling light. I heard absolutely no Joni music during that period. But almost everyday something I saw or heard brought a snippet of her lyrics into my head. In particular, after about 2 1/2 weeks of traveling and in the last 48 hours being in two different cars, planes, and ferries. One of my traveling partners said something about from a plane to a car to a ferry to a car and I couldn't get "Black Crow" out of my mind for the rest of the trip. Also, while in Ubud, Bali, I walked into a music store just to see what prices were like and actually saw a "Hits" CD on the shelf. What a pleasant surprise! It's great to be back and hear my Joni CDs again, fresher, and even more appreciated than before. Yesterday I was shopping at WalMart and, believe it or not, Here comes Joni singing "How Do You Stop"! I've never heard this one anywhere but on my own player. The minute I heard the intro I stopped dead in my tracks. Annoyingly, they kept breaking in on the loudspeaker saying things like "customer needs assistance in hardware". But I sang along quietly through the whole thing. Another Joni moment... - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:15:22 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: [Fwd: Where Did Our Love Go?] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------59C2541DF80DEDBEE44D15D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit enjoy! - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward - --------------59C2541DF80DEDBEE44D15D7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: owner-joni@smoe.org Received: from lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (root@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.33]) by raiden.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13800 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23434 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.147.247]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10400; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id VAA26358; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:21:31 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id VAA26347 for joni-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cruzio.com (root@mail.cruzio.com [208.226.92.37]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id VAA26341 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevem (sa-208-226-93-77.cruzio.com [208.226.93.77]) by mail.cruzio.com with SMTP id SAA02181 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981008183820.006b67a4@mail.cruzio.com> X-Sender: stevem@mail.cruzio.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:38:20 -0700 To: joni@smoe.org From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Where Did Our Love Go? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-joni@smoe.org Reply-To: Leslie Mixon Precedence: bulk I read the morning JMDL on the screen It was full of messages, some were mean Wouldn't they like their peace Don't we get bored And we call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence No pranks have ever rumbled through our list and the drone of the internet can make us clench our fist We logon for love, not to get pissed And we call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence Oh and deep in the night Emails find us Hurt us and blind us Deep in the night While listers sit up writing posts We lose the members we like the most They'd like to slam free choice behind us I saw a little lister on the net He said, "I can nail someone I've never met" "Let me show you how these petty accusations can torment you!" Call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence Oh and deep in the night Emails find us Hurt us and blind us Deep in the night While listers sit up writing posts We lose the members we like the most They'd like to slam free choice behind us Last night I dreamed I saw the monitor flicker The digests fell like buffalo Everything got sicker And to the bitter end The list members bickered And we call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence Oh these times, these times Oh these changing times Change in the heart of JMDLkind Oh these troubled times "Anyone will tell you, just how hard it is to make and keep a friend..." Feeling a little melancholy today, missing the friendlier times here. Leslie Steve Mixon http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem - --------------59C2541DF80DEDBEE44D15D7-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:33:26 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms And if you did have that same first > take, did you give up the larger view when you heard the real story > behind it? Penny, Somebody has brought up this theory about Two Grey Rooms before. It had not occurred to me at the time but I found it very intriguing. Joni is very well read, as we all know, and very intelligent. I think it's very possible that the 'two grey rooms up here with a view' could be symbolic. Literary images can certainly function on more than one level, particularly in the hands of someone as skilled as Joni. Maybe the person speaking in this song has formed the habit of watching his former lover in his mind's eye, mentally checking out, so to speak, while indulging his fantasy (no-one knows I'm here/one day I just disappeared). At some point the urge to actually see the object of his obsession finally compels him to seek the man out. Although it just now occurs to me that the line 'you look so youthful/time has been untruthful' is rather ambiguous. Maybe he really is only fantasizing still and has never actually found the guy. Joni has said that she doesn't like to give out hard and fast interpretations of her songs. She feels that the listener should bring their own meaning to the lyrics. So I would say don't give up your take on it. When I first heard it I imagined that Joni was fantasizing about finding the location of her child after giving her up all those years ago and that she was afraid of approaching her so she just watched her from a distance. I still wonder if that feeling was there on some sub-conscious level when she wrote Two Grey Rooms. I agree with MG's post that she sent a few days ago. I think giving up that baby affected Joni in a profound way and that a lot of her writing is influenced by it on some level. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:45:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: [Fwd: Where Did Our Love Go?] Leslie-that was excellent! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:03:32 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Observations from a returning member Phyliss, Sounds like a great trip! I'm very glad to hear that Joni's music is in such an exotic location as Bali (exotic from my viewpoint anyway and so far away!). Welcome back. Phyliss Ward wrote: > > 3. It appears the flame wars have flared again! Reporting now from the NJC front lines: No, there aren't any flame wars going on, but, in among the Joni messages, there is a discussion about the list and private emails... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 18:44:55 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger Paul C posted: <> This is my fav review yet. Thanks for sharing it with us! I still listen to TTT almost every day & find it as enduring & trailblazing as anything Joni's ever done. I've seen Stay In Touch printed *Keep In Touch* several times & am wondering if the UK CD is different than the US release? :~p E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:10:48 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: FWIW: Hole... and Joni http://www.post-gazette.com:80/magazine/19990514hole4.asp If I understand this correctly, Hole - Courtney Love's group - just put out an album with a cover of "Both Sides Now" on it. (the Rev) Vince, for what's it worth, who actually likes Hole, but found this to be a bit of a surprise ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:15:09 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: FWIW: Joni in Rushdie's new book http://www.ireland.com:80/newspaper/features/1999/0515/fea16.htm For What It's Worth: Joni is a composite character in Salmon Rushdie's newest book (the Rev) Vince, who searches the Internet for anything with Joni's name in it so you don't have to ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:21:30 -0400 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: In Memory -- One Year Ago Howdy one and all. Its hard to believe that its one year but it is indeed that long since the first Joni tour in many years. I have seen literally hundreds of concerts by many artists over the last 25 years but the two nights at the Gorge were really special. Especially the 16th. Simon and I and a bunch of Dylan regulars were in about the 12th row right in the middle. There was no wind and basically no back drop behind Joni and the band -- just the gorge. because of the lack of wind, the sound was absolutely pristine. And Joni's set was one of her best ever. If she never goes on tour again or I never see another concert, this is one I'll always remember so thanks Joni and band. I'll be listening to the tapes of the tour all week just as a reminder/homage. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:00:36 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Where Did Our Love Go?] In a message dated 5/16/1999 1:19:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pward@lightspeed.net writes: << I read the morning JMDL on the screen It was full of messages, some were mean Wouldn't they like their peace Don't we get bored And we call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence No pranks have ever rumbled through our list and the drone of the internet can make us clench our fist We logon for love, not to get pissed And we call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence Oh and deep in the night Emails find us Hurt us and blind us Deep in the night While listers sit up writing posts We lose the members we like the most They'd like to slam free choice behind us I saw a little lister on the net He said, "I can nail someone I've never met" "Let me show you how these petty accusations can torment you!" Call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence Oh and deep in the night Emails find us Hurt us and blind us Deep in the night While listers sit up writing posts We lose the members we like the most They'd like to slam free choice behind us Last night I dreamed I saw the monitor flicker The digests fell like buffalo Everything got sicker And to the bitter end The list members bickered And we call for the three great stimulants Of the exhausted ones Honesty, tolerance and innocence Tolerance and innocence Oh these times, these times Oh these changing times Change in the heart of JMDLkind Oh these troubled times "Anyone will tell you, just how hard it is to make and keep a friend..." Feeling a little melancholy today, missing the friendlier times here. Leslie Steve Mixon http://www.cruzio.com/~stevem >> which Joni song do we song this diddy to? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:25:11 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Where Did Our Love Go?] > And we call for the three great stimulants > Of the exhausted ones > Honesty, tolerance and innocence > Tolerance and innocence Catgirl wrote: >which Joni song do we song this diddy to? I would assume "The Three Great Stimulants". I actually had to really think about this one - should have been easy, since the name is in the lyrics of the parody, but somehow I missed it about three times. You probably did the same! Mind you, I don't listen to Dog Eat Dog very often, since I only have it on vinyl. Must be time to update the CD collection again! Helen NP - Alanis Morissette - Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie. Still on the first song of the first run-through, so I'm reserving judgement till I've heard it a few times! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #45 ***************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?