From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #35 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 7 1999 Volume 01 : Number 035 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: the Bill Haley connection [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Artifice, Brutality and Innocence (JC?) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Re[4]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now [Don Rowe ] Re: the Bill Haley connection ["Mark or Travis" ] Years and tears [Scott Price ] JM on "WOW WOW" [Manno Toshikazu ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:57:05 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: the Bill Haley connection - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki >Philip, this is a tough one. Is it "Corrina, Corrina" from A Bird that >Whistles? > >> Now the JC trivia. Which Bill Haley tune does Joni quote from ? > Good guess Kakki but I don't know if Bill Haley ever recorded "Corrina, Corrina". The line I was thinking of was "you dance with the lady with a hole in her stocking" which is taken from a Bill Haley song called Dance With A Dolly (dolly being the preferred term for lady in Bill Haley's world). Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 02:09:20 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Artifice, Brutality and Innocence (JC?) RADJSHARP@aol.com <> My thought exactly! When I first read Don's GREAT post I couldn't help but think that, having been off list for a while, nobody objected to his *violating* the latest NJC factor (which I support 69% BTW). But even though Don didn't even mention Joni once, the entire post radiated JC.... E.T. NP: Talk To Me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:22:30 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: the Bill Haley connection Kakki answers: >Philip, this is a tough one. Is it "Corrina, Corrina" from A Bird that >Whistles? > >> Now the JC trivia. Which Bill Haley tune does Joni quote from ? And Philip replies: ****Good guess Kakki but I don't know if Bill Haley ever recorded "Corrina, Corrina". The line I was thinking of was "you dance with the lady with a hole in her stocking" which is taken from a Bill Haley song called Dance With A Dolly (dolly being the preferred term for lady in Bill Haley's world).**** Bill Haley DID in fact record "Corrina, Corrina" (I think his version is titled "Corrine, Corrina") It's on a two record best of I've had for a while - great one Kakki, that trivia was driving me crazy... And Philip your answer was REALLY good trivia - although I always think of that line as originally being from the old "Buffalo Gals" 'I danced with a lady with a hole in her stocking, And her knees kept a knockin' And her toes kept a rockin' Danced with a lady with a hole in her stocking, We danced by the light of the moon' And of course, if said moon was "at the window" at the time, she's quoted the song twice! :~) Bob, thinking of more trivia questions... NP: Rickie Lee Jones, "The Real End" (And there's ANOTHER underappreciated 80's artist; How could "Chuck E" be a hit and not some of the stuff off Magazine, Pirates, Flying Cowboys? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Re[2]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now Maybe I > should've picked Joni as > obscure for the 80's as her 80's stuff all tanked > commercially...:~) > Not so ... "My Secret Place", unless I miss my guess, ranks as her highest rated single on the charts since the C&S days. I shall now duck and cover from the slings and arrows of the *true* Joni scholars. I stole that from Willy the Shake ... you know -- ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:06:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[4]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now Don Juanders: <<"My Secret Place", unless I miss my guess, ranks as her highest rated single on the charts since the C&S days. I shall now duck and cover from the slings and arrows of the *true* Joni scholars.>> While I believe that, it's still a pretty misleading statistic, I mean it's not like the song was #4 with a bullet or anything, I never heard it played as a single (not that THAT means anything)....and don't take my comments to mean this work isn't good, I don't want to open up that can 'o worms. Matter of fact, DED is in the car player right now - I heard "Smokin'" this morning coming in to work, and as much as I don't care for it, there is a neat little germ of an idea there...the cigarette machine as a percussive instrument, the Larry Klein "Flea-like" bass riffs thrown in, this track actually could've gone someplace. Had Joni expanded the song lyrically so that the craving for nicotine in an empty cigarette machine becomes metaphor for searching for satisfaction and fulfillment in an unsatisfying and unfulfilling world. But she didn't, so the track becomes a throwaway novelty... Bob NP: Michelle Malone, "Long Long Century" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:55:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - May 7 1983: Joni performs at Verona Arena in Italy 1996: Joni attends a Polar Prize press conference. An excerpt: Question: What does your art mean to the music? Joni: What does the painting mean? Well, it was a farmer's trick for the most part, [alternating fields for planting] ... with the music I am very prolific. I can sit down and play an instrument and the music would pour out. As a writer of lyrics, as a poet, less prolific. It's a slower process. It's more subject to blockage. So frequently when I would come to a writer's block I would take to the brushes so as not to notice. Generally in that process, which leaves the mind quite vacuous, wonderfully empty, you know--RED IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER--NYUH, NYUH, NYUH--BLUE IN THE LOWER LEFT--the clearing of the mind in that way when you turn it back to the meditation required to write the text for the songs, the mind would be refreshed. So I used it mostly in that manner. 1997: (from Wally's bio): Joni was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame [today] in Cleveland but she did not attend the proceedings. Jann Wenner, co-founder of both the Hall of Fame and "Rolling Stone" magazine, gave a few opening remarks about Joni Mitchell and her place in music history, and then showed her induction film. Following the thunderous applause for the film (Go Norm!), he introduced singer-songwriter Shawn Colvin. Before beginning her induction speech, Shawn sang a terrific live version of "Free Man In Paris" that was quite true to Joni's original on the album "Court and Spark." Speaking off-the-cuff after the song, a nervous Shawn proved she's a huge Joni Mitchell fan by her opening statement: "Joni's an artist who has meant just absolutely the world to me." Shawn then related that she was introduced to Joni's music when she was 13: "I went to church-camp and some 14 year olds told me that I was really nowhere unless I'd heard Joni Mitchell. So I went and bought the album "Clouds" ...and it changed my life." Graham Nash then accepted for Joni with a short but eloquent speech that began: "For the last half of my life, Crosby has been getting me into deep shit. It was never truer than when in 1966 (it was actually 1967), he introduced me to a woman that I fell madly in love with after looking at her, and listening one on one to at least 20 of the most fabulous songs that I'd ever heard in my life and there was no question that this woman was a force to be reckoned with." He defended Joni's inclusion as a rocker by saying : "...She's a very tough lady and she's always been a rock and roller at heart. She's always been and wanted to be one of the boys." He mentioned that Joni has had quite a tremendous year beginning with her 2 Grammy Awards in February 1996. He then added that one of the reasons that Joni wasn't there at the ceremonies was because she's still enjoying bonding with her daughter Kilauren after being reunited 32 years after she gave her up for adoption. Later during the all-star jam that ends every Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony, James Taylor performed "Woodstock," which was a #11 hit for Crosby, Stills & Nash in 1970 and is one of many songs written by Joni that became a hit single for someone else. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Re[4]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now Bob responds -- > While I believe that, it's still a pretty > misleading statistic, I mean > it's not like the song was #4 with a bullet or > anything, I never heard > it played as a single (not that THAT means > anything).... Oh I don't think so. What may be misleading is that, since "My Secret Place" did get quite a bit of airplay, at least on several progressive Dallas radio stations of the time, most people probably thought of it as a Peter Gabriel song with Joni, instead of the other way around! But I takes 'em where I can get 'em - -- ya know. Don Rowe np: The Fixx--Walkabout _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:20:51 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) JC now In a message dated 5/6/1999 1:13:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << "My Secret Place", unless I miss my guess, ranks as her highest rated single on the charts since the C&S days. I shall now duck and cover from the slings and arrows of the *true* Joni scholars.>> While I believe that, it's still a pretty misleading statistic, I mean it's not like the song was #4 with a bullet or anything, I never heard it played as a single (not that THAT means anything)....and don't take >> I was bartending some many years ago and at the end of the night on VH-1 they played her video *My secret place* I have never seen it befor or since. Does anyone have that? It was very cool. She was wrapped in a long indian blanket and kept going into a Tee-pee or something like that. I would love to get a copy of that. Also, will any one come forward with a Van Gogh ear? Who ever has one and would like to trade for something. I got something that would make you flip your wig or ear!!!!!! Catgirl... or ear feddish girl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:54:32 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: the Bill Haley connection > The line I was thinking of was "you dance with the lady with > a hole in her stocking" which is taken from a Bill Haley song called > Dance With A Dolly (dolly being the preferred term for lady in Bill > Haley's world). Wow Philip - this *is* a new one for me. My illusions are shattered ;-) I always thought Joni was the originator of the torn nylons theme which runs throughout a number of her songs. Finding these little liftings from Haley and the Everly's has got me intrigued as to what other obscure little references Joni has made in her lyrics. One lyric that has always made me wonder (because I could swear I've heard it somewhere else in the R&B world) is "woman she bounce back easy, but a man can break both his legs" from the song "You Dream Flat Tires". Anyone have a clue about this one? Kakki NP: Johnny Rivers - Closer to You (I love him but I liked him better when he did songs like Secret Agent Man. Why does he want to be so country - he's more than that - oh well) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:10:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: the Bill Haley connection > > Finding these little liftings from Haley and the Everly's has got me > intrigued as to what other obscure little references Joni has made in her > lyrics. It's not an exact quote but the idea is the same: talking about Love in 'Moon at the Window' Joni says that people: Turn it off and on like a bathtub faucet and in 'Fine & Mellow' Billie said: Love is just like a faucet It turns off & on Sometimes when you think it's on, Baby It has turned off and gone.... Mark iin Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:42:24 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Miles of Aisles Just got and listened to Joni's Miles of Aisles for the first time. Wow! Do I miss that Lady live. Going to start saving aluminum cans, eat Top Ramen, hitch rides, and do what I have to do to save some money, cause I'm not going to miss that Lady again when (wishing) she comes back around. Guess misery likes company, that's why I'm posting. take care gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:09:23 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Years and tears It's been nearly a year. When I was a child a year seemed like an eternity. Now I measure time in decades. As in "been enraptured with Joni's artistry for nearly three decades." Today a bitterly cold wind blew through, very suddenly. What started out as a warm spring day turned into a raw afternoon. I remember the weather from a year ago. It was overcast, but warm. Our six-hour journey that day took us through a Cascade Mountain pass. The snow was mostly gone; just a few patches where the sun didn't reach. As we descended the other side of the mountain the countryside underwent a radical change. Largely barren, a stark landscape. And then, the river. The mighty Columbia. This river measures time in eons. It's millions of years old. And during that time it has carved out a path through the land...in some places a cavernous swath. Our destination, the gorge, comes just after a gentle bend in that glorious river. It's hundreds of feet deep, and thousands of yards across. Trillions of gallons of water have passed through there over the ages. It's a big place! In that venue, on that spring evening, was a sight and sound I'll never forget. I remember the concrete floor, the chairs, the stage, and the people in the immediate vicinity. Even though a year has passed I still recall the heavy gray cloud formations and the reddish-orange ribbon of a sunset on the horizon. And then she appeared. Something I thought I'd never have the chance to witness. Mezmerized. I couldn't take my eyes off her. The gentle breeze from the left (her right) sashayed her long blonde hair. It was the moment I had dreamed of for so long. And as she began strumming the guitar, I kept asking myself, "Is this real?" Then she started to sing, and I knew that it was finally happening. Joni...live and in person. After all those years. A huge chapter in my lifetime of musical experiences now complete. Sometimes you find a book that's so compelling you read it one more time. Maybe even again and again. So it is with this story. Such an incredible night, I want to return over and over. I can't believe it's been a year. Maybe that's because I have this chapter memorized, "by heart," as we used to say, and that makes it seem like only yesterday. I've never been affected like that by a performer. Struggling mightily to hold back the emotion, every hair standing on end as if struck by lightning, only Joni could script it so good. SIQUOMB. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:37:32 +0900 (JST) From: Manno Toshikazu Subject: JM on "WOW WOW" Hello all the JM fans. "WOW WOW" is the pay TV on BS channel in Japan. In May 11th, "Joni Mitchell in Concert '79" will be on-aired at this channel. It's recorded at the same place of S&L video. But it's 100min. program and the title is not "Shadows and Light". So I guess it's not edited video by JM. I'm looking forward to seeing it. I asked my brother to air-check it. Does this program is on-aired in your country? After seeing this program, I'll report it. P.S. I also bought 'In The Evening with JM' and 'S&L (Complete Edition)' by Laser Disk. Best Regards Manno Toshikazu ---Music, The Final Frontier--- jacopas@geocities.co.jp http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/7219/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #35 ***************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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