From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #32 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, May 4 1999 Volume 01 : Number 032 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- a polite request.. [TreyCozy@aol.com] Great Children's Songs/Meeting Joni ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Recent Purchases (fwd) [Joseph Palis ] If It Were Up to Me [Steve Dulson ] My 5 CD's (JC) ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] Today in Joni History - April 30 [Today in Joni History ] This Month in Joni History - May [This Month in Joni History ] progress on fingernails [CarltonCT@aol.com] excerpt from Murray's autobiography [katej ] Online Music Shopping [Scott Price ] Jonifest/Wally [Ashara@aol.com] Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [Mark Domyancich ] Today in Joni History - May 4 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) ["Winfried Hühn" ] RE: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [Brett Code ] Re[2]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) ["Winfried Hühn" ] RE: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) [Vince Lavieri ] This Illegal War [al_date@email.com] 5 recent purchases and the dulcimer story [Nicholas Bates ] Re: joni this summer? ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 04:57:11 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: a polite request.. Hello all... It's Trey - the newcomer - again. After visiting the site about tape trees and such, I was told to come here and make a "polite" request at perhaps obtaining some back tapes - both audio and video. Please email me if you can "politely" help me out. All the best always... Trey np - Two Grey Rooms (wow - this song blows my mind...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:37:24 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Great Children's Songs/Meeting Joni Thank you so much for starting the children's songs thread, Alan. It gives me an excuse to tell my favourite Joni story. Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin. Last year I came across a review in an American magazine mentioning the theme song I had written for the children's television series of Jane Hissey's classic picture book stories, 'Old Bear', now shown in around 70 countries including the USA. On the same page I noticed a review for Canadian children's songwriter and mountain dulcimer player, Rick Scott, who had written a song called 'Angels Do' for his granddaughter who had been born with Down's Syndrome. Moved by his story I wrote to him sending him a copy of the notice. By return he sent me a CD of his Juno-nominated Best Children's Album 'Philharmonic Fool' and his video for 'Angels Do', which features his granddaughter, Mielle. To cut a long story short, I was totally knocked out by this and, with his agreement, have just released a promotional single of 'Angels Do' on my own small independent label in the UK. I have also invited him and his partner Valley Hennell over to the UK to play and give a series of workshops at an International Children's Song Festival I am organising in Covent Garden in mid-September. Now the Joni bit - in one of the many rave notices Rick sent me about his solo children's concerts and performances with the legendary Canadian folk group 'The Pied Pumkin String Ensemble', I noticed a short mention about being picked up by Joni Mitchell when hitchhiking back in the early seventies. Thinking myself the biggest Joni Mitchell fan in the world (until I came across you lot!!) I asked him to tell me the whole story. This is what he sent me:- "In 1971, I was hitchhiking with my wife Sue, my friend JR Stone and my dog Mousse, up the Sechelt (Sunshine) Coast of British Columbia. It was tough for three hippies and a dog to catch a ride, but after about half an hour a woman driving a beat up Ford Pinto pulled over. Big and shaggy, Mousse immediately climbed into the front seat and laid his head down on the driver's lap. JR slid in next to him, Sue and I got in the back and we headed off down the road. The woman was patting Mousse's head and complimenting us on what a nice dog he was. She asked us how far we were going...about 30 kilometres to Pender Harbour. Between her question and our ability to answer, there was a group realization that the driver was Joni Mitchell. Each of us took turns trying to articulate the name of our destination, but all that came out was stammering. When we finally managed to tell her, she said she could take us almost all the way but she had to stop off at Lord Jim's Lodge to pick up a friend. She said she might go to the pub but, if we were still hitchhiking when they came out, they would give us a ride the rest of the way. I think we just sat there staring at Joni Mitchell stroking Mousse's head. I was fantasizing that in the next life I might be lucky enough to come back as a dog. When we got to the turnoff she pulled over and as we were getting out she noticed my instrument case and asked what it was. When I told her it was a dulcimer she said, "Way out, can I see it?" The next thing I knew she was examining my dulcimer with great interest. JR Stone is a soft spoken North Carolina mountain man of few words, so I volunteered the information that he had built my instrument. She beamed at him and examined the dulcimer even more closely. After a few minutes she asked if he would build her one. With a great deal of difficulty he finally managed to answer, "Sure". As Joni left us, she renewed her offer to take us further later and asked JR where she could find him. We told her where we would be for the weekend. We couldn't believe what had just happened and didn't think we'd ever see her again. Nonetheless, we stopped hitchhiking and just stood by the road. An hour later she came back down the road with her friend in the passenger seat and stopped to pick us up. Paying no mind to the passenger, Mousse jumped straight onto his lap and settled back down with his head on Joni. We all squeezed in the back and she introduced us to Graham (Nash). She drove us to Pender Harbour and next day came to visit to discuss dulcimer specifications with JR. I was amazed when she took up my dulcimer, tuned all the strings to the same note and proceeded to play "A Case of You" from her "Blue" album. I'll never wash my dulcimer again. Over the next three weeks JR built her an exquisite mountain dulcimer. But it took him another week to deliver it because he was so shy. She was so delighted, she paid him a hundred dollars more than his original quote, which I think was $300. Over 20 years later, in 1996, I was reading a Rolling Stone article about Joni and in the accompanying photograph there she was with JR's dulcimer hanging on the wall behind her. I must admit I felt a twinge of jeaousy that JR got in Rolling Stone before I did. JR Stone still lives and builds amazing instruments in Boone, North Carolina. He has built me several four string dulcimers and a 6 string and bass dulcimer as well." Rick Scott Contact: UK/Europe: Paul Castle pdcmusic@freeuk.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:09:03 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Recent Purchases (fwd) My cd rampage last week was different, needing a break from the pressures of the world... got things that I did not have in cd format. CMIARS: Joni DED: Jonio NRH: Joni Mingus: Joni WTRF: Joni HOSL: Joni Heijra: Joni (I told my partner that he could get me STAS, DJRD, and LOTC in cd format for my birthday and then I will have them all in cd...) and two videos: PWW&M: Joni S&L: Joni (the Rev) Vince Joseph Palis wrote: > I went on a CD rampage yesterday because I passed my Comprehensive Exams > (there's nothing like celebrating to the max -- in its sinful proportions) > and I was surprised to see a lot of new and old albums in Tower Records. I > wondering what recent 5 purchases the Listers had in the past month ... > for better or for worse. Mine's the following: > > 1) David Frishberg - Live at Vine St. > 2) Shirley Horn - I Remember Miles > 3) Jon Hendricks - Freddie Freeloader > 4) Michael Feinstein - Michael and George > 5) Phoebe Snow - Best of > > Joseph > (wanted to buy Clementine's "Sings Sidran" but too expensive) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:18:52 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: If It Were Up to Me >If It Were Up to Me- by Cheryl Wheeler To my surprise and amazement, KACD/KBCD LA's "World Class Rock" station has been playing this. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:47:10 -0400 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: My 5 CD's (JC) Hey, this is fun. Here are my recent cd purchases: 1. David Lahm, Jazz Takes on Joni 2. Jane's Addiction (the one with the live "Jane Says") 3. The B-52's greatest hits record (keeps me dancing!) 4. some gal named Joni "Court and Spark" 5. A blond Canadian woman "Night Ride Home" 3 out of 5 ain't bad, and all purchased through CDNOW. Thanks Wally! The David Lahm CD came in 3 days (I ordered it one week ago!) Katie from the Cape P.S. To Michael Paz, please come to Ashara's and bring some of those darn good shrimp with you! ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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Read it at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Seventeen72.html May 1974: "Help Me" hits #7 in the US as "Court And Spark" hits #2 in the US for four weeks. 1992: (from Wally's bio): [This month] Joni won her case in the California Court of Appeal in Mitchell Vs. State Board of Equalization. A panel of judges from the 2nd District California Court of Appeal decided that Joni's pre-1975 recording contracts were for personal services and not for the sale of master recordings. Because of this difference, she could not be forced to pay state sales tax. This decision brought Joni a refund of the tax she'd paid plus interest for a total check of $566,000.00. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:53:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - May 1 1969: - Joni guests on the Johnny Cash show, set to air on June 7th. After the show, Bob Dylan, who was also on the show, returns to Johnny Cash's house with famed bluegrass banjo player Earl Scruggs, Bob Johnston, and country songwriter Boudleaux Bryant for dinner. After dinner, they each perform a song, Dylan at his turn singing the old standard "These Working Hands." According to Graham Nash, who also recalls a dinner at Cash's, attended by, among others, himself, his then-girlfriend Joni Mitchell, Kris Kristofferson, and Eddy Arnold, Dylan sang four or five songs. Presumably it was the very same dinner. Nash recalls Sara, Dylan's wife, sitting there crying at the drama of the moment. 1983: Joni performs at Zenith in Paris 1988: Today's Musician Magazine features a huge article on Joni, saying "Mitchell has produced her own records since her second album; it's sometimes hard for her to adjust to having a copilot. "Through the records we've worked on together," Klein says, "I've learned a lot about how to be a good producer. Joan's got very good musical intuition. On some of the previous things I would voice my disapproval of an idea before the idea had time to reach fruition, before it paid off. That really bothered her. She's not used to having someone present any kind of negativity at the birth of a idea. I've learned through the course of these records how to time my input. Because she has very good musical intuition. Many times she'll have the germ of an idea and at the beginning it'll sound like it's going down a wrong path, but it ends up coming around to a place that pays off. She warrants that kind of trust." Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/mus88a.htm 1988: Today's issue of "Q" Magazine reviews "Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm" saying, "Given a musician whose career has encompassed more than 20 years and a welter of styles ranging from flower-child folkiness through rock and jazz to her present offering, it's little surprise to find Joni Mitchell sounding unhurried. As she approaches middle age, she's put aside the dizzying invention of times past, and like Van Mornson, perhaps realises that she no longer has anything to prove. Yet this doesn't mean that she no longer has anything to say. Read the entire review at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Q1988.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:17:44 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: progress on fingernails My guitar was in the shop for a while getting a fret fixed. Though I went through a guitar withdrawal the first couple of days, I did get another draft of a screenplay done, AND I got my fingernails on my right hand to a certain length. Howard Wright is right -- you do get a more Joni-like sound with longer nails. Was listening to some Stones lately. Joni had talked about how Keith Richards leaves off the sixth string and mostly plays in what I think is drop D tuning. Since then, I have heard Joni's "peculiar chords" in the tunes of Mr. Richards. When they gave me back my guitar, they had put it into standard tuning for the first time in a year or so. Strangely, it was like some exotic open tuning. I did what Joni had mentioned doing, about writing her first song in standard tuning in years, which was to treat it like it was an alternate tuning and forget about standard chords. I really like the results. One thing I don't like is typing with these longer nails. And I'm gonna have to get an emery board or something. Clark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:40:29 -0600 From: katej Subject: excerpt from Murray's autobiography " 'Let's Sing Out' mixed a whole bunch of interesting music together: traditional, singer-songwriter, good-time and commie-controversial stuff. I haven't forgotten that this country[Canada] put Bob Dylan on CBC national television when he was still a fringe artist in the U.S. They were going to be shooting the show up at Laurentian University in Sudbury, and I was invited to be on it...One of the guests was... this gorgeous blonde lady named Joni Mitchell. She'd been in Toronto, playing a place called the Seven of Clubs, run by a guy named Mike Copas--at least I think that was his name. She'd been making a reputation on the American club scene after breaking up with the husband who had foolishly ridiculed her efforts at singing and writing, but she was yet to release her first record... ...I'd heard of Joni--people were talking about her-- but I'd never heard her sing or been exposed to any of her songs. Judy Collins hadn't recorded 'Both Sides Now' yet. I hadn't paid much attention to her during the flight up, what with being so excited about the flight itself. When she transformed herself into her full performing drag-- sparkling little bum-freezer mini-dress, sparkling leotards, open-heeled shoes, nails, long straight Mary Travers-style blonde hair, a big Martin D-18 all topped off with those high Scandinavian cheekbones, she got my full attention! She drew out two conflicting feelings in me at the same time because of the way she presented herself. On the one hand, I just wanted to throw her on her back, but at the same time, I wanted to put her on a pedestal and protect her. I've always thought the most fascinating people or works of art are the ones that pull in different directions simultaneously. There's an inner tension that projects from them, and like it or not, you're drawn in by it. Joni seemed full of inner wars and conflicts. Certainly, there was a lot more at work in her than she was letting on. Then there were the songs. She sang 'Sistowbell Lane' and 'Song to a Seagull,' both of which would find their way onto her first record, the one David Crosby would produce. They were done in these weird tunings on the guitar and sung in this impossibly pure high falsetto, and I had somethingof the same reaction I'd had the first time I'd heard Dylan - --though not for the same reasons. She was the first woman I'd heard who was trying to blend contemporary poetic lyrics and folk music forms like the male writers I admired already. But she was different. She was exploring new territory, abstracting her relationships and using them as fuel, writing with wonderful sensitivity about how the insanities of the world affected her emotionally. When we got on the plane to leave Sudbury, I had good memories of my first tv appearance...and Joni Mitchell, who made me feel like I was somebody tap dancing for the line-up outside the opera. Not long after this, she came up to the flat to visit with us when she happened to be in Toronto. It might have been her first Riverboat gig, I can't remember. I do remember that we all hung out in the formal front room of the two-room flat and listened to the Beatles' 'Sergeant Pepper' album, which had just come out. I had developed a bit of a crush and was trying hard not to let it show." -Murray McLauchlan, Getting Out of Here Alive ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:12:04 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Online Music Shopping Wally and Les have created two of my favorite sites on the internet. I try to financially support them by always going through their homepages on my way to online CD shops...it's the least I can do to help offset their expenses. I encourage all reading this to support the Joni Mitchell Discussion List homepage maintained by Les, as well as Wally's Joni Mitchell homepage by accessing your favorite online music stores through these homepages. A small percentage of your purchases will be credited to the list owners, who provide us with these great websites as a labor of love. For those into bookmarks, you can use the following to go directly to CDNOW: (JMDL) and (jonimitchell.com) - ------------------------------------- Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:25:22 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Jonifest/Wally Hi everyone! I forgot to add in my original "Party Post" that EVERYONE can participate in raising money for Wally! Even if you are not planning to attend the New England Labor Day Weekend Jonifest, (for more information go to: ) you can still send a donation in **any amount** towards helping Wally with his expenses on the web page, and as a support to him for his continued healing. If everyone on this list sent even just $5, we would raise about $3,000!! I challenge this wonderful list to 100% participation for this cause. For all Wally has given to us, for all the time he has spent putting together the Joni Mitchell website, for all the dedication he has given towards getting the information about Joni out there, let's see if we can rally together for this cause and see what our efforts as a community can do. Even if you can only afford a small amount, please, please participate. I will keep everyone updated as to how many people have participated, and the total dollar amount as we go along. A very HUGE thank you, and HUGE HUG to Les, who does an equally incredible job keeping us all connected with each other, keeping up the JMDL web pages, and keeping all the many mailing lists straight. My thought was to share the money raised for the Jonifest between him and Wally, but his beautiful, generous soul came out to shine when he agreed that Wally's need was greater. THANK YOU Les, for YOU!!!!!!!!!! With what is going on in the world right now, I think it so important to remind ourselves of our blessings in all the angels that surround us, like Les and Wally. Please send all donations to: (checks payable to Wally Breese) Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 THANK YOU ALL!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara http://www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:35:50 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) So Rolling Stone says that Kurt Cobain is the "Artist of the 90's", which I'm not sure I agree with (he didn't even live in half of it) but I'm not sure who would be...Chuck D from Public Enemy maybe as he pushes the envelope artistically and technically, but anyway, I started thinking about decades past. I decided on picking solo artists and bands for each decade, focusing on those who crossed over genres, expanded the music and left a lasting legacy. Here's what I came up with: 60's: Solo - Bob Dylan Band - The Beatles 70's: Solo - Joni (although Stevie Wonder is right on her heels with Tom Waits not far behind either) Band - Led Zeppelin 80's: Solo - Prince Band - U2 (I'd also mention XTC but that's strictly personal; they've never made too big a splash over here) 90's: Even though the decade is about over, I really am having trouble thinking of people/bands to fill these slots. REM probably gets the nod for Band. Anybody have any suggestions? Bob NP: Billy Joel, "Famous Last Words" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:51:01 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) My picks: > 60's: Solo - Joan Baez > Band - Grateful Dead > 70's: Solo - Joni > Band - Led Zeppelin > > 80's: Solo - can't think of one > Band - Duran Duran > 90's: Solo - Michael Hedges Band - Dave Matthews Band NP-People's Court Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:53:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - May 4 1983: Joni performs in Frankfurt, Germany - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:05:09 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Mark Domyancich schrieb: > > My picks: > > > > 80's: Solo - can't think of one Let's face it: --- Madonna! :-) Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:12:44 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Bob wrote: <<< 60's: Solo - Bob Dylan Band - The Beatles>>> Undeniably <<< 70's: Solo - Joni (although Stevie Wonder is right on her heels with Tom Waits not far behind either) Band - Led Zeppelin>>> I give Stevie the edge over Joni. Ohmigod did I just say that here? And Neil Young? I'd go with Parliament/Funkadelic over Zep. The most important shifts in '70s music IMO were punk and funk (which fed both disco and hip-hop). But no punk band (almost by definition) had the longevity necessary to warrant band-of-the-decade status. <<< 80's: Solo - Prince Band - U2>>> This is pretty accurate IMO. As for the '90s, Nirvana is the obvious choice for band. Their commercial impact and its creative fallout were just too huge. R.E.M. did well, no doubt, but their real impact was in drawing attention back to the underground in the '80s (in fact, maybe they should beat U2 for that slot). For solo artist it is difficult to think of an overarching figure, but I would settle on Beck for his use of hip-hop (undeniably the music of the decade, at least the last half of it) as part of a sound pastiche (the sonic development of the decade) on three excellent albums plus some other solid ones. His postmodern appropriative approach to music with its combo of rural and urban sounds and emphasis on humor and absurdity best typifies the sound of the '90s IMO. Other artists who have a legitimate claim IMO are PJ Harvey, Bjork, Notorious B.I.G. and, perhaps most of all, Dr. Dre. Chuck D loses--Public Enemy's innovative leaps forward happened in the '80s, and, giant though he is, there are many MCs whose '90s work has smoked his. - --Michael NP: George Michael and Mary J. Blige, "As" - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:41:55 -0600 From: katej Subject: more from murray, about 4 years later "I was placed in the custody of a really nice guy named Michael Vosse. It was his task to squire me around and show me the sights. Pretty much the first thing he did was stick a joint in my mouth, and we started driving around Hollywood. It turned out that he knew Joni, who'd recently moved down there permenently and bought herself a house in Laurel Canyon. She'd immersed herself in the psychedelic scene, got to work with Crosby on the 'Song to a Seagull' album and realized that L.A. had replaced New York as the centre of the musical universe. It turned out that Michael was sortof babysitting Joni's house while she was out of town, so we drove up there to make sure it was still standing. It was a beautiful little place, sunlit and full of colourful artifacts she'd collected along the way. The livingroom was dominated by one of those huge votive candle holders you find in a Catholic church in front of a shrine or a statue of a saint. A high brass pedestal with a large ring-shaped top and a series of shelves held maybe sixty candles in little coloured glass jars. All I wanted to do was move in and never go home." --Murray McLauchlan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:41:58 -0600 From: Brett Code Subject: RE: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Yes, Madonna is surely the most influential Artist of the 80s. Band of the late-70s, early 80s? Another unpopular possibility - The BeeGees. They sure changed life at my high school and college more than anyone else did. Brett - ---------- From: Winfried Hühn[SMTP:whuehn@stud.uni-goettingen.de] Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 1:05 PM To: Mark Domyancich Cc: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) <> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:44:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Winfried screib: <> That's actually a darn good pick...she didn't even cross my mind since I'm not much of a fan, except for "Get Into the Groove"... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:08:13 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > > Winfried screib: > > <> > > That's actually a darn good pick...she didn't even cross my mind since > I'm not much of a fan, except for "Get Into the Groove"... Here comes a big confession -- I actually like "Cherish", and there's nothing I can do about it! Winfried, going to call a therapist tomorrow.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:07:18 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Prince vs. Madonna? That's a tough call.. I'd have to say Prince, if for any reason but that he quotes Joni as a major influence in his music. Ha ha. And the solo artist of the 90s? That's easy: Jonatha Brooke. It's just that nobody knows it yet!! Dave Matthews is a darn good choice for band of the 90s. Pretty innovative those guys - and to think they were my favorite LOCAL band in college. I used to go to Charlottesville every Tuesday night to hear them. Awesome. Coming out of my shell more and more... Trey NP - The Hissing of Summer Lawns ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:26:43 -0600 From: katej Subject: murray's memories "Fiedler and I flew out there, and after a day at the bayshore, headed up to Lord Jim's. At the time, Joni and Fiedler were great friends.. He was a very relaxed kind of confidant-therapist who could be relied on not to take her too seriously at a time when practically everyone else was. The three of us had a great time hanging out and talking--having dinner, drinking wine. Joni was the same then as she is now. Wind her up and let her go! Once she's awake, the woman never goes back to sleep. She's a stream-of-consciousness, free-associative monologist who makes wonderful sense of the world. She makes it up as she goes along. There was a strange moment I remember. We were playing pool in a little roadside bar not far from Lord Jim's, just having fun knocking the balls around really. Joni was concentrating hard, lining up her shots, doing the geometry. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, she burst into tears. I was gobsmacked! Fiedler calmly said something like 'Joni, darling, what the fuck is wrong?' He got her calmed down after a while, and it emerged that there was a bit of a war going on inside her. It was a lot of masculine-feminine stuff about wanting to win but hating the fact that she wanted to win and then feeling that her feelings of competitiveness were too masculine. I'm not drawing conclusions here, this is just some of the stuff that came out. I remember thinking back to the impression I'd had the first time I'd met her in Sudbury, that there was an intense inner turmoil that wasn't completely hidden by the serene blonde goddess exterior. Anyway, the storm blew over, and all was sweetness and light once more. I think she was coming to terms at the time with the real impact of her fame --with being stalked and hounded, with the prurient interest in her romantic life(made more poignant by the fact that the bulk of her writing was inspired by precisely this). I was learning a little about the consequences of fame by watching her handle it. Being around her for that time and seeing the depths of her character emerge put a person behind the romantic image for me. The person had ambitions and flaws, but that just made her all the more interesting. By the time I flew back to Toronto, I had more than a crush on her." still to follow..."So I was looking forward to doing this weird benefit for the Cree cause in Quebec--not just because it was a good idea but also because she'd be there." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:26:21 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) Trey wrote: <<>> But so does Madonna. She's even quoted "Blue" in interviews and reworked the "I am on a lonely road and I am traveling" line from "All I Want" into one of her songs. Still a draw? ;-) Toss that shell aside, Trey! :-) - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:54:00 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) > > > > 60's: Solo - Bob Dylan > > Band - Beatles - has to be, they changed everything > > > 70's: Solo - Joni > > Band - Led Zeppelin (although not a band that I ever > liked much) > > > > 80's: Solo - Michael Jackson > > Band - U2 > > > 90's: Solo - Whitney Houston > Band - REM > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:00:29 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: > > > As for the '90s, Nirvana is the obvious choice for band. Their > commercial impact and its creative fallout were just too huge. > R.E.M. did well, no doubt, but their real impact was in drawing > attention back to the underground in the '80s (in fact, maybe > they should beat U2 for that slot). > > For solo artist it is difficult to think of an overarching figure, > but I would settle on Beck for his use of hip-hop (undeniably > the music of the decade, at least the last half of it) as part > of a sound pastiche (the sonic development of the decade) on > three excellent albums plus some other solid ones. His postmodern > appropriative approach to music with its combo of rural and urban > sounds and emphasis on humor and absurdity best typifies the > sound of the '90s IMO.--Michael > Having read Michael's post, I switch my 90s picks to solo, Beck, and group, Nirvana. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: This Illegal War As far as the US Constitution is concerned, it does not matter whether US troops are engaged in conflict by themselves or in coalition with NATO or any other organization. The Constitution is still the supreme law of the land. 17 Congressmen, including my rep Tom Campbell, have filed suit to have the war declared illegal, since it does not have a declaration of support from Congress (required by the War Powers Act.) On top of that, this action is a violation of the NATO Charter, which defines NATO as a defensive organization, and limits its actions to NATO countries under attack. Yugoslavia is not a NATO member. Finally, the attack violates the United Nations Charter itself, which requires any attack like this to be authorized by the Security Council. The only exception is when a sovereign nation is under attack by another one and must defend itself immediately. Of course, that is not the case here. What is the case is that we have entered a civil war, with bad guys on both sides--like in ANY CIVIL WAR. No matter how you slice it, this attack is ILLEGAL, under every available jurisdiction. When the World Court hears the appeals of the Serbs, it will declare the war illegal--and our government will ignore the ruling. So what? I hear you say. The US government has effectively placed itself outside its own Constitution, and snubbed its nose at international law! We are now the bullies of the world. Our leaders may have good intentions in Kosovo, but has their course of action accomplished anything but the acceleration of evil actions? Further, is it worth the cost of establishing more precedents of international lawlessness? What is there to guarantee that unrestrained political leaders will always have good intentions in the global theater? How can we claim a moral high-ground against terrorists and ethnic-cleansers, when we AS A NATION lawlessly slaughter innocent civilians remotely, and dismiss it as "collateral damage?" - --Al Date - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:27:08 +1000 From: Nicholas Bates Subject: 5 recent purchases and the dulcimer story Loved the story about hitchiking and Joni buying a dulcimer all those years ago. More nostalgia please! 5 recent puchases 1. Sly and the Family Stones Greatest Hits 2. Renee Geyer's Greatest Hits 3. Phoebe Snow, I can't complain 4. Dusty Springfield, Reputation and other rarities (very cheap!) 5.JM, Painting with words and music Nicholas in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:55:08 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Artist (s) of the Decade (s) > > > > > 60's: Solo - Bob Dylan > > > Band - Beatles Hard to argue with these two. > > > 70's: Solo - Joni > > > Band - Blondie Joni is indisputable imo. Blondie didn't come til the end of the decade but they sure shook things up and helped rejuvenate rock when it was becoming stagnant. And they did it with wit and style. > > > 80's: Solo - k d lang > > > Band - Talking Heads or The Pretenders k d's first record sounded like rock-a-billy meets kick-butt punk. Shadowlands & Absolute Torch & Twang established her as one of the great singers of the century. David Byrne & Talking Heads were pushing the envelope and mixing all kinds of things up in the 80's. Remain in Light is an amazing hybrid of musical genres and Stop Making Sense is one of the great all time rock movies. Chrissie and the Pretenders put intelligence and heart into hard-edged rock and took it to another level. > > 90's: Solo - Lucinda Williams > > Band - REM Lucinda is a force to be reckoned with who defies categorization. REM are one of the great rock groups of all time and some of their 90's work is innovative & classic. Automatic for the People alone qualies them for the top prize. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:57:37 EDT From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: joni this summer? A friend emailed me about a "Summerstage" appearance of lots of artists doing Joni "jazz" years stuff and an appearance by Joni (if her daughter isn't giving birth) on Thurs. July 1 (in NYC). He heard it on WNEW as kind of a "scoop" from Vin Scelsa (DJ legend). Anyone confirm this or know more? Wally? (must admit I have deleted the past couple of digests--new job--so maybe you've all already discussed this). - --Drew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:29:50 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: murray's memories In a message dated 5/3/99 5:28:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katej@connect.ab.ca writes: << She's a stream-of-consciousness, free-associative monologist who makes wonderful sense of the world. She makes it up as she goes along. >> We Detroiters witnessed this in the lobby of the hotel. As we were all walking back to the elevators, Joni- who was a good 10 steps ahead of us- stopped dead in her tracks, turned around to face us, and told us a little story. When she finished, she turned right back around and before getting onto the elevator, she took a long look at the hotel lobby (gorgeous, btw) as if she needed to take in every detail. I don't think life with Joni would be very boring! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:45:51 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: The Circle Game movie This may have been discussed before I was on the list. I saw the following movie listing being shown on CBC for this Thurs. 12 AM EST "The Circle Game" ** (1994, Dra.) Marnie McPhail, Janet Laine Greene. A Toronto blues singer struggles with her daughter, her music and her mother. (1h52) Sounds awfully familiar. I do not get CBC. Does anyone know about this? Maybe someone in Canada wants to check it out. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:21:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: joni this summer? Drew scooped: > A friend emailed me about a "Summerstage" appearance of lots of artists doing > Joni "jazz" years stuff and an appearance by Joni (if her daughter isn't > giving birth) on Thurs. July 1 (in NYC). WOW - this is all new news! I can't wait to hear more. What is "Summerstage"? Jazz stuff - is Mr. Lahm involved? I'd heard a rumor that Kilauren was expecting - has this been confirmed anywhere? Kakki NP: Kenny Rankin - Encore at the Bottom Line (blissful heavy sigh music) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #32 ***************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?