From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #30 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 2 1999 Volume 01 : Number 030 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Guns, a humanist issue -- VLJC [catman ] joni photo [katej ] Bob Dylan in Vienna [Marian Russell ] Shameless self-promotion (SJC) [Marian Russell ] Black Crow ["John Low" ] my five - (SJC) [TreyCozy@aol.com] My recent five purchases [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: my five - (SJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Black Crow [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Black Crow [Dflahm@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 12:27:20 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Guns, a humanist issue -- VLJC It is quite possible that it is this reaction to what you call the real world that makes it as it is. al_date@email.com wrote: > It is to be expected that in a list dedicated to a poet that there would be plenty of anti-gun feelings. Dreaming of bomber jet planes turning into butterflies is something I have engaged in myself, under a puff of smoke. > > But that was before I became a parent; before I became responsible for somebody other than myself. Once I realized that I would lay down my own life to protect my children, I gained a more realistic attitude about the defense of innocents. I even stopped using recreational drugs which might hamper my ability to react to an emergency situation. > > I realized that I had to be ready to take action, whatever circumstances might arise--stopped-breathing, drowning, burns, cuts, even defense from criminals. Self-defense is a long subject, but suffice it to say that each person has to decide for themselves what kind of defense they are going to muster. One of those choices, among many, is possession of a firearm, depending on the circumstances. > > Since a woman has a right to defend her body and her family, she has a right to choose her methodology. It is a simple matter of CHOICE. > > This is not some utopian fantasy; it is a survival-response to the REAL WORLD, which is not always a nice place. We haven't figured out how to prevent evil; we can only react to it, by whatever means we have available, > Sorry to bring the bad news. > > [And, reminding myself of how much it changed me, I wonder what Joni Mitchell would be like today if she had actually raised her own children. > Less childish and less whiny is my guess.] > > --Al Date > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 16:53:35 +0200 From: "Tube" Subject: Farewell Sarah, Bowie Bond Come back soon Sarah - I've been paying for my computer on credit for nearly four years now. The interest is killing me, but it's been worth it just to be in on lists like this one. ******************** To who-ever it was, thanks for clearing up the definition of Joni's advance $300,000 for me. ******************** Bowie and Hootie - I read in the British Financial Times recently that the Rock Futures thing was not going too well. I can't remember the facts exactly, especially as my understanding of business is non-existent, but as I recall, the Bowie Bond will do okay, but apparantly there's just isn't a big enough piece of pie to stretch to all the acts in the world. Bowie's thirty-year track record is a solid bet, but new bands like Hootie can't expect to attract similar confidence from investors, especially in today's ephemeral trends in the rock/pop biz. I think that Bowie also owns all his songs, having bought up his own back-catalogue a few years ago when it was going cheap during a Low (sic) spot in his career, hence he is now able to do this. He's a shrewd cookie, no doubt about it, and one of my all-time favourite people, (public persona-wise that is) Tube ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:05:33 -0600 From: katej Subject: joni photo Hi Gang I just came across a picture of Joni in an autobiography of another Canadian folksinger/songwriter, Murray McLauchlan. The book is called 'Getting Out of Here Alive' and in the photo section is a snapshot of Murray and Joni in a clinch, looking like the best of friends. He has captioned the picture "Some old fart with this pretty lady from Saskatchewan." It gets across that they have had some good times together. I have no scanner to copy the picture for you all, but will pass on the anecdotes that include Joni when I get to them. Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:52:05 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Bob Dylan in Vienna I went to see Bob Dylan in concert Friday night. I missed him in Detroit in October because everyone (including myself) wanted to go back to the hotel to hang out with Joni. I regretted not staying to see him, though - he is such a legend and I enjoy much of his music. What a great concert he gave last night! I had a seat near the center of the fifth row, and when he sang, sometimes it felt like he was looking right at me. I wore my Joni T-shirt - the greenish one with the TTT portrait on the front, and I hoped that he might see it and know that people who love Joni also love him. He sang so many of my favorite songs - Mr. Tambourine Man, Hard Rain's Gonna Fall, Masters of War, It's All Over Now Baby Blue, Make You Feel My Love, Not Dark Yet and Boots Of Spanish Leather (these last three were so beautiful and heartfelt that I cried). Some other songs included: Highway 61 Revisted, It Ain't Me Babe, Everybody Must Get Stoned, Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again, Like A Rolling Stone, Tryin' To Get To Heaven, Tangled Up In Blue. Nearly every song included an instrumental section which allowed for improvisation. Sitting there listening to this incredible musician, it was hard to imagine him making a crack to Joni about his plain chords. He is a great guitarist - he didn't just play rhythm guitar, but also played duets of lead parts with the second guitar player. It seemed like he played more songs with acoustic guitar than with electric - he did about the first 10 songs with acoustic, then switched to electric, then switched back to acoustic and then ended with electric. He played for at least two hours including the encore. His band was fabulous - I wish I knew their names (if anybody knows who his current band is, please let me know - he introduced them, but I'm hopeless at remembering stuff like that unless I hear it more than once). All band members were really great: the second guitar player sometimes played lead and also played complimentary chords to Dylan's - really wonderful duets the whole evening; the bass player played upright bass, electric bass and a funny acoustic-guitar-like bass; the drummer was outstanding; the pedal-steel player who also sometimes played mandolin. The band was very tight and the music was great. Of all the musicians in the band apart from Dylan himself who was mesmerizing, I was most impressed with the drummer - he seemed to have an amazing repertoire of sounds and rhythms, from very soft and subtle to really loud percussive stuff - and the second guitar player who played some incredible leads. I'm so glad I went to see Dylan. Saturday he played on the top of a mountain near the Swiss border. A couple of friends of mine were going and I'm looking forward to hearing about the concert. Wish I could have gone, too, but spent the whole day cleaning house - the parents-in-law arrive tomorrow for a two-week visit. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:36:33 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: Shameless self-promotion (SJC) I haven't made it generally known, but since my last solo gig at the end of January, I joined a band that plays Dylan music. The band leader, Robert Koehler, organizes an annual international Dylan festival every year (has been doing this since the first one 20 years ago!). It was thanks to Robert that I got such a good seat at the Dylan concert on Friday. Anyway, the band, Johnny's In The Basement, will be playing at a castle in Plankenstein, Lower Austria, on Sunday, 23rd May. I'm playing keyboards, singing harmonies, and am doing a solo of Joni's Big Yellow Taxi (Dylan recorded it with that verse that Joni sings, except he sings it "and a big yellow bulldozer came and pushed around the house and pushed around the land!") - so I'm going to do all of Joni's verses and then Dylan's version of his verse. I'm also singing and playing guitar on All Along The Watchtower - along the lines of Michael Hedges' version, but with bass, drums and lead guitar. On Saturday, 22nd May, there will be an open mike and anyone can get up and sing, so I thought I'd do a couple of Dylan tunes and then play some Joni. Haven't decided a set-list yet, but hope to include Moon At The Window, Help Me (so *fun* to sing that one!), and maybe Night Ride Home or The Crazy Cries Of Love. I'd like to do The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey, just because it's so weird, but I have to see what the crowd is like first. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:46:38 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Black Crow Well, I finally got a copy of PWWAM, and locally as it happens. I walked into one of Sydney's big music stores and there it was! That evening I spent a very enjoyable hour and a half in the company of Ms Mitchell. Isn't it strange how hearing a song out of context can sometimes provoke a fresh response. If I'd been asked to discuss favourite songs from 'Hejira' "Black Crow" would probably not have got a mention. But as soon as JM began singing it (the first of the four 'Hejira' songs performed), it was like a revelation. I'm not suggesting this version is better than the album one, just that I suddenly realised how much I like it. How could I have overlooked it for so long? What a great image "that black crow flying in a blue sky" is, and one that an Australian can respond to as much as an American. As in America and Britain, the crow figures prominently in our folklore and literature too. It is associated particularly with the arid outback, sometimes referred to as a place "where the crows fly backward to keep the dust out of their eyes". Australians sometimes "stone the crows" when they are surprised or disgusted and occasionally "draw the crow" when they get a bad deal. The crow in Australia is an outcast, a survivor that adapts to an unsympathetic environment - a theme I think of Joni's song. John. PS. I made a statement in an earlier post that I was "glad I didn't transfer to the NJC list". How stupid! I meant, of course, to the Joni-only list. Had I done that I would have missed the important debate on guns etc. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:07:08 EDT From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: my five - (SJC) Hi folks. It's me Trey (the new guy) attempting to come out of my shell.... My latest five: Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell The Cheiftans Vonda Shepard - By 7:30 (a little disappointed.. love It's Good, Eve) Myths and Legends - Adam Guettel (composer - the next Sondheim IMHO) Jonatha Brooke Live - I'm seeing her LIVE tonight at The Fillmore here in San Francisco. Yippeeeeeeee! See you soon. Trey np - "the sire of sorrow" - ... don't y'all LOVE LOVE LOVE this song?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 04:08:41 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: My recent five purchases My recent five purchases: 1. Wild Things Run Fast (24 KT - I can't hear any difference in sound...) 2. Doyle Bramhall II 3. Maarit: Stoalive 2CD (great Finnish bluesy singer) 4. Brand New Heavies: Shelter (already had this, but this US pressing has an extra track) 5. Arty - The Gold Experience - --jussi PS. Vote for Joni in the Entertainment Weekly poll: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/ew/fab400/music100/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 23:56:19 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: my five - (SJC) In a message dated 5/1/99 9:04:20 PM Central Daylight Time, TreyCozy@aol.com writes: << Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell Jonatha Brooke Live - I'm seeing her LIVE tonight at The Fillmore here in San Francisco. Yippeeeeeeee! >> And I'll be looking forward to your reviews on the above, Trey.... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 23:54:28 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Crow In a message dated 5/1/99 7:25:00 PM Central Daylight Time, johnlow40@hotmail.com writes: << If I'd been asked to discuss favourite songs from 'Hejira' "Black Crow" would probably not have got a mention. But as soon as JM began singing it (the first of the four 'Hejira' songs performed), it was like a revelation. >> That version, with Greg Liesz rockin' the pedal steel guitar, is truly awesome! I loved it in Atlanta as well, and was fortunate to be able to tell Mr. Liesz himself - he's a super-nice guy too! Don't forget about "As The Crow Flies", meaning a straight line between two points, and "Jim Crow", referring to old laws (?)... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:19:54 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Crow "Black Crow" has always been one of the most exciting JM songs for me. The consistent rhythm on the guitar has such immense energy and then the first vocal line slams in totally independent over the top of that beat. As a jazz player, I recognize the harmonic layout as a minor blues of double the usual length. The lyric is a continuous, powerful unfolding of images and mood. And I know I'm always saying this about the tracks I like best: the most amazing part is the rhythm of the vocal. Each chorus of the four is unique and they are equally strong and convincing, and of course, completely un-notatable in their freedom & subtlety. HEJIRA is one of her best works and this may be the best thing on it. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #30 ***************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! 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