From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #29 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 029 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Re: Hello-HA! DJRD ["Eric Taylor" ] preaching to converted,,,,, and recent 5 albums [Kleronomos@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #192 [Kleronomos@aol.com] DJRD [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] RE: Hello-HA! DJRD [Brett Code ] Re: preaching to converted,,,,, and recent 5 albums [Gellerray@aol.com] $300.000 ["Tube" ] Re: Joanie's posts ["Tube" ] HE.LP--TOM WAITS LYRIC needed! (JC!) [Bounced Message ] an example of why jm isn't bigger in today's world [jan gyn ] Spring and LOTC [Diana Duncan ] Catgirls Dreamland >^..^< zzzzzz......... [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: last five purchases (SJC) ["Richard Thomas" ] Re: Hello-HA! DJRD (SJC) [David Wright ] Joni knew this [catman ] That Ashara... [Michael Paz ] Re: HE.LP--TOM WAITS LYRIC needed! (JC!) [Dflahm@aol.com] Guns, a humanist issue -- VLJC [al_date@email.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:15:07 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Re: Hello-HA! DJRD Bob so aptly states: <> Jericho is by far the most difficult song I've ever learned to sing. & my band had an even more difficult challenge playing it! I had to listen to it on my Walkman hundreds of times before I finally got it. Ever since I can harmonize with almost anything. If Joni ever invited me to sing with her (my dweem) Jericho would be the song I'd request. But it was Paprika Plains that taught me how to harmonize. Years after this song loosened me up enough to break into my own interpretation (her unsung lyrics from the instrumental part really helped - see insert) Joni said that it was PP which caused her to grasp "all notes resolve back to middle C" -- when confronted by Charles Mingus that her piano was out-of-tune. This is among the most important revelations I've ever realized, on many levels. Deep down it means to me that everything is equal. & this is the real meaning of aloha.... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:04:37 EDT From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: preaching to converted,,,,, and recent 5 albums Gellerray@aol.com writes: << (and i know i am preaching to the converted, though others may see it in more realistic terms--that is you get paid what you generate, period). But again: Demi Moore gets 12 million dollars for that stripper movie and all those guys* ( i don't know--like Kevin Costner, and Jim Carrey and Tom Hanks--who, granted, are three "talented" men) get 20 million dollars a movie, and Joni Mitchell gets only $300, 000 per record--if she's lucky! Ugh. >> Yeah, you're preaching to the converted. I don't think anyone here would disagree that she should make less than Mark McGuire. Her art will continue to generate millions, long after she's gone. She does, however, make SOME pin money when she tours, and if she was strapped for cash, she might be able to get a few bucks for some of her paintings (would any of you like an original Mitchell hanging in your parlor?) Joseph Palis << I was wondering what recent 5 purchases the Listers had in the past month >> mine: 1. CSN (4 CD compilation) --got it on eBay, used, for $40. Wow! many of the cuts are unreleased "rejects" from the same recording sessions that produced the albums... I wish Joni would release "alternate cuts" some time....... great liner notes 2. Boz Skaggs: Come on Home 3. Lucinda Williams: Car Wheels on a Gravel Road 4. Olu Dara: In the World (" Your lips are juicey " ) 5. Best of Woodstock (I needed "Freedom") UAUBYTMBNBW, isn't she? NP "See you sometime" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:37:45 EDT From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #192 to Julius: ...and dog-gone it, people LIKE you! alan@ames.net writes: <> How about "High Hopes" (Sinatra), and "This Little Light of Mine". For really fun stuff, try to get any album by a group called Trout Fishing in America. Dan <-- plays old Gibson, too, an F-hole archtop, LEFThanded; thinks with both sides of brain; leans somewhat right politically, but surprises some lefties at times Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids look straight before thee. Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established. Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil. Proverbs 4:25-27 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:30:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: DJRD Mark blasphemes :~) : <> This is certainly the case, even though I prefer H to DJRD. Of course, H could've been the double and DJRD the single album; the title track musically is a re-write of "Coyote", and Jericho, Silky Veils, Off Night, Talk to Me, would all fit fine on H without a lot of differences being observed. Just as the music on DJRD becomes more "world-oriented", the lyrics are less personal as those on H; no less brilliant, mind you, but less personal I think... <<(Will he *ever* shut up with his Hejira heresy?)>> I for one hope not!! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:17:03 -0600 From: Brett Code Subject: RE: Hello-HA! DJRD For me, every Joni recording starts with the lyrics, and that is equally true for Hejira. No matter how much her musical style changes from recording to recording, the one thing I have come to be certain of is that she will write lyrics which are moving, thought-provoking and profound (and which will in some way touch me, affect my life, speak to what is happening to me at that moment). Although I do not have a new-Joni-cd ritual, I have frequently read the lyrics before listening to the music. It makes for a cool journey - how will she put this to music, what will she do with her voice, which of the songs will be the one I listen to 20 times in a row? After a thousand listens, the whole package is so indelibly in my soul, that it takes but one note to set off waves of emotion and memories. I'll never forget the first note of Amelia at the Vancouver show last Spring - the goose bumps, the tears, the awe and inspiration. Hejira is it. Brett - ---------- From: Mark or Travis[SMTP:mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 6:43 PM To: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com; joni@smoe.org; ewwtaylor@adelphia.net Subject: Re: Hello-HA! DJRD > Just one great song off of a bonafide masterpiece... And one that's much more interesting and musically diverse than Hejira in my not so humble opinion. I thought David Lahm's comments on Hejira were interesting. I always thought that musically it was rather 'safe' compared to the bolder departure she made on HOSL. It's interesting that a lot of people on the list who say the words are secondary to them in comparison to the overall sound of the music seem to point to Hejira as their favorite. To me this says, 'Come on, you guys! Don't tell me you don't listen to the words and that they aren't as important to you as the music!' Mark in Seattle (Will he *ever* shut up with his Hejira heresy?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:57:33 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: preaching to converted,,,,, and recent 5 albums my last five cd purchases are (remember, i am--an old guy--in school--so i don't get out much): 1. Cheryl Crow globe sessions 2. rem up (is that what it's called , their latest--several months old now but i just got it!) 3. wilco--their latest too--o summerteeth (something) 4. Experience the Divine/Bette Midller's Greatest Hits--I bought it because my neice asked me to sing 'the rose' (kinda dark huh?) at her wedding--and "one love, one heart." Bette doesn't sing 'one love one heart' it's true...anyway, bette's cd is a total guilty treasure--to hear john prine's 'hello in the there' 20 years+ after I heard it first on whatever bette album i had back then, and also 'the rose' and also 'when a man loves a woman' and also 'shiver me timbers' and 'one for my baby'(!), and 'in my life'--and of course, 'friends.' o god not to forget the sexy 'do you wanna dance.' she's a friggin treasure, in spite of from a distance and all those damn disney movies (which probably i will happen upon someday and laugh hard at?...well, that may be pushing it).... rg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:39:59 +0200 From: "Tube" Subject: $300.000 Gellerray wrote: >I know, I should calm down. (and i know i am preaching to the converted, >though others may see it in more realistic terms--that is you get paid what >you generate, period). But again: Demi Moore gets 12 million dollars for >that stripper movie and all those guys* ( i don't know--like Kevin Costner, >and Jim Carrey and Tom Hanks--who, granted, are three "talented" men) get 20 >million dollars a movie, and Joni Mitchell gets only $300, 000 per record--if >she's lucky! Ugh. >And I know--it's capitalism, it's business, it's...how Joni got rich herself. > And yet...there is something in there i don't like. Yep, I hear you. You're right. I know it's hard to be objective about this, but Joni's take-home pay of $300,000 for an album doesn't sound right at all, does it. Tube ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:27:01 +0200 From: "Tube" Subject: Re: Joanie's posts >p.s. the vase is still on the shelf, but the cats are no longer in the >yard... after the trouble I went through with Man from Mars, they don't >leave the house anymore... Evian (or whoever, I'm confused as to what's going on, I only just tuned into this thread after being distracted by the Colorado thing) but anyway, THIS IS REALLY GREAT STUFF!! You should be writing for TV or something. Maybe you already are. Give's me an idea - A satirical sitcom of thinly disguised pseudonymised rock stars. Doesn't even have to be a half hour show - could be a twice-weekly five minute skit thing, sort of a cross between Cybil and Wayne's World. You write it, just cut me in on the royalties and a screen credit "From an original idea by Tube" (I need a new inkjet cartridge this morning but I suppose I'll have to buy the groceries instead). Love, Tube. NP Mediterranean birdsong. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:55:45 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: HE.LP--TOM WAITS LYRIC needed! (JC!) From: Gellerray@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:53:10 EDT i am frantically putting together a poetry sampler for a "methods in teaching english class" resource/final project (secondary level) and of course i have some poets in there who are songwriters and of course i have JONI--(i put in Furry though if i were to have really rifled through i would no doubt have procrastinated even longer than i already have trying to decide) --anyway, i also have a tom waits song--Shiver Me Timbers but i can't make out some of the lyrics (from a bette midler cd). Can anyone help me fill in the blanks? thanks in advance, r Shiver Me Timbers Well I'm leavin' my family Leavin' all my friends My body's at home But my heart's in the wind And the clouds are like headlines Upon a new front page sky My tears are saltwater The moon's full and high And I know Joe Conrad would be proud of me Many before me been called by the sea To be up in the crow's nest singing _________ Shiver me timbers, let's all sail away And the fogs lifting, the sands shifting I'm drifting on _________________ Old Captain Ahab got nothing on me Swallow me, don't follow me I'm travelling alone The water's my daughter I skip like a stone And the fog's lifting, the sand's shifting I'm drifting along(?) aloft(?) Ol' Captain Ahab got nothin on me Swallow me, don't follow me I'm travelling alone The water's she's my daughter I skip like a stone Won't you please call my family Tell 'em not to cry My goodbyes are written by the moon in the sky Say, nobody knows me I got no reason to stay Shiver me timbers I'm sailing away………………… and god, i don't know, perhaps it's the music (that makes it so so), or perhaps i'm just a big old sap, but it's soooooo beautiful (i think). PS: As long as you T. Waits buffs are at it, can you say which album it's from? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:05:39 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: an example of why jm isn't bigger in today's world (Extracted from today's (04/29/99) New York Post) Andrew Tyler, 13, of Haddenfield, N.J. is in "big trouble" after placing $2.8 million in bids on the eBay auction site that he can't pay for. He successfully bid on on over a dozen items including a $1.2 million dollar medical center in Jacksonville, Fla., a $500,000 Van Gogh painting, a $120,000 No. 1 issue of the Superman comic book, a $35,000 Viking ship replica, a $400,000 antique bedroom set, a $23,000 1955 Ford convertible and a $24,500 1971 Corvette convertible. The tempest on a keyboard began Aug. 4 when Andrew tried to sell his best friend, identified only as Carsten, as a slave, warning that "he's an ugly bitch and he smells" but assuring buyers that "he will work very well." Bidding started at $1. There were no takers. Andrew looked very depressed as he trudged up to his house last night reading a book. Across the street, his 80-year-old neighbor, Mary McMahon, said, "To me, the Internet is the work of the devil. It's more trouble than good." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:06:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: HE.LP--TOM WAITS LYRIC needed! (JC!) And the fogs lifting, the sands shifting I'm drifting on __(I've always heard "down" PS: As long as you T. Waits buffs are at it, can you say which album it's from? Looking for the Heart of Saturday Night ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:13:17 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: $300.000 A clarification. A record company advance is not 'take home pay', it's money they are fronting the artist to make the record. If, after recording costs, etc, there is anything left, the artist can 'keep' it, recoupable against sale of the album. (So it's more of a loan). I'm sure Joni's largest income stream is the publishing royalty checks she gets-mainly from her best selling albums. RR Tube wrote: > > Yep, I hear you. You're right. I know it's hard to be objective about this, > but Joni's take-home pay of $300,000 for an album doesn't sound right at > all, does it. > > Tube ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:33:49 -0500 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Spring and LOTC Hi list, It's been ages since I posted but I'm finally getting a breather from my school work. Someone (sorry can't remember who) just mentioned "Morning Morgantown." Some of you may remember the thread we had about what seasons certain JM songs remind us of. It seem every spring, when we have a morning like today, a little brisk but sunny and bright, I play LOTC. The two seem to go together hand and hand. Colin posted about finding out about the joys of a little land and I have to say, as I hide from all the sadness in the news, I am: "peaceful, With a good [cat] and some trees Out of touch with the breakdown of this century. [I don't think] They're ..going to fix it up Too easy" But that hasn't stopped me from hoping. And I'm still on track to get my certification to teach math in secondary schools. "All this talk" has just made me see they need my help *more*! Ok, so there is some optimism in this cynical soul after all. I just can't be down when I'm finally getting my Bachelor of Arts in Mathematics in one week. It's only taken me 31 years! Diana NP: the sweet song of a cardinal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:31:58 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Catgirls Dreamland >^..^< zzzzzz......... In a message dated 4/30/1999 3:18:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << A clarification. A record company advance is not 'take home pay', it's money they are fronting the artist to make the record. If, after recording costs, etc, there is anything left, the artist can 'keep' it, recoupable against sale of the album. (So it's more of a loan). I'm sure Joni's largest income stream is the publishing royalty checks she gets-mainly from her best selling albums. RR >> Well, I have a big question. All this talk about sheet music, songbooks, tape trees, and Van Gogh's ear. Surely there is at the very least a market for some things Joni..... Why doesn't she bring back her songbooks, make a great auto-bilgraphy, and release her *bootlegs* in a beautiful package with demos and cool prints of her artwork. I would pay $50.00-$100.00 for a real nice anthology. Everyone has these box sets. Look at the Beatles. Yes, I know they had millions of fans so the market was there. But she has lots of fans too! I am sure each and everyone of us would pay a hefty price for a real nice box set of hers. I was quite bummed when she came out with just hit and then misses. I wanted something more I guess. Even groups that in my mind SUCK...have box sets out there. She needs to do a great auto biography as well. Complete with tons of color pictures of each era of her life. And she should sell ears too. I would pay for an ear. It amazes me that with all these people on this list no one has found an ear...... Catgirl....dreamland, dreamland, dreamland, dreeeeaaaammmmmland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:20:21 +0100 From: "Richard Thomas" Subject: Re: last five purchases (SJC) Here are my last five purchases:- Chaka Khan - Come 2 My House Joni - Clouds Joni - Hejira (4th copy - I keep givin' 'em away to newly converted fans Henry Charles Litolff - Concerto Syphonique No 2 & No 4 Stevie Wonder - Fulfillingness First Finale Cheers Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:51:02 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: MOA Richard Thomas wrote: > Here are my last five purchases:- > > > > Joni - Hejira (4th copy - I keep givin' 'em away to newly converted > fans > Reminds me of the Christmas after MOA was released; everyone on my gift list got it as a present! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Hello-HA! DJRD (SJC) Eric Taylor wrote: > > Joni said that it was PP which caused her to grasp "all notes resolve > back to middle C" [snip] > ...This is among the most important revelations I've ever realized, > on many levels. Deep down it means to me that everything is equal. "'No!' Meg cried... '*Like* and *equal* are not the same thing at all!'" (from _A Wrinkle in Time_, Madeleine L'Engle) ;) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 02:19:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: Joni knew this Evangelist Evil's Agent From her lyrics, I think Joni knew this one - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:29:30 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: That Ashara... Hello from Jazz Fest 1999. That Ashara is at it again! She must be trying to get me divorced. Does anyone know a good lawyer? Marsha? My wife will kill me if I say anything resembling New England, Joni Fest, etc. Right now we have plans to vacation earlier in the summer in Austin, Texas then on to Colorado. Plans are still formulating. I did sign up for the list though cause God knows I can ride the fence with the best of them and besides, WHO KNOWS. And I HAVE learned so many new Joni songs to sing. Oh God help me. Trying to calm myself down Michael NP-Typical Situation-DMB Typical! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:39:31 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: HE.LP--TOM WAITS LYRIC needed! (JC!) SHIVER ME TIMBERS? The published sheet music has "drifting on on out." LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 02:43:29 -0400 (EDT) From: al_date@email.com Subject: Guns, a humanist issue -- VLJC It is to be expected that in a list dedicated to a poet that there would be plenty of anti-gun feelings. Dreaming of bomber jet planes turning into butterflies is something I have engaged in myself, under a puff of smoke. But that was before I became a parent; before I became responsible for somebody other than myself. Once I realized that I would lay down my own life to protect my children, I gained a more realistic attitude about the defense of innocents. I even stopped using recreational drugs which might hamper my ability to react to an emergency situation. I realized that I had to be ready to take action, whatever circumstances might arise--stopped-breathing, drowning, burns, cuts, even defense from criminals. Self-defense is a long subject, but suffice it to say that each person has to decide for themselves what kind of defense they are going to muster. One of those choices, among many, is possession of a firearm, depending on the circumstances. Since a woman has a right to defend her body and her family, she has a right to choose her methodology. It is a simple matter of CHOICE. This is not some utopian fantasy; it is a survival-response to the REAL WORLD, which is not always a nice place. We haven't figured out how to prevent evil; we can only react to it, by whatever means we have available, Sorry to bring the bad news. [And, reminding myself of how much it changed me, I wonder what Joni Mitchell would be like today if she had actually raised her own children. Less childish and less whiny is my guess.] - --Al Date - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! 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