From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #24 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 27 1999 Volume 01 : Number 024 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni mention by B Raitt in 1988 ["Eric G. Postel" ] Re: Joni mention by B Raitt in 1988 (JC & BC) [Gellerray@aol.com] Re[2]: Joni mention by B Raitt in 1988 (JC & BC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.] Worst Lyrics Ever (according to Music week) [philipf@tinet.ie] Today in Joni History - April 27 [Today in Joni History ] Laurie Anderson (JC) [Bounced Message ] Re: Today in Joni History - April 27 ["Kakki" ] collaboration wish [jan gyn ] Tape Tree on CD [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] Bonnie and Joni [Mary Pitassi ] Re: Tape Tree on CD [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:13:50 -0400 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: Joni mention by B Raitt in 1988 Howdy everybody, I was listening to a recording of a concert by Bonnie Raitt in Houston TX on March 15, 1988. In between songs she joked about playing a Billy Idol song and then said "I think that Billy Idol being on Joni Mitchell's album is a kind of interesting twist to the 1980s" She didn't say anthing else - just started playing. Guess she was kinda surprised. Cheers, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:39:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - April 26 1983: Joni performs at the Koninklijk Circus in Brussels - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:28:27 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni mention by B Raitt in 1988 (JC & BC) joni and bonnie seem to genuinely "love" and respect one another. I have heard NO carping from either about the other (well, of course--it's a case of talent deferring to talent), and that makes us all happy, no? I remember several years ago (was it the rolling stone article of 79!? or maybe one of the Musician covers in the eighties) when joni was asked about her friends in the music scene of LA: after clipping through a roster of the 'big guns' of the time and being surprisingly diplomatic (i can say now, having read far less in the way of politic replies these latter days) she said, "Bonnie Raitt has always been enthusiastic and supportive of me..." (rough quote, but the spirit is true). Then I remember an interview with Bonnie after her "re-emergence" with Nick of Time--it may have been press for the next (also a monster, no?) album--when she and the interviewer were just speaking generally about the music scene at the time and she said she admired how Madonna marketed herself (kinda the same-old same-old about Maddie, but what're you gonna do?) saying something about how she envied her that ability, and adding, "I wish Joni Mitchell would get some of that kind of attention." (again, a rough quote, but again, the spirit is there). To me, and I mean no disrepect, Joni is like a seer, and Bonnie, a (great) beer; I don't think of Bonnie as much (though I know she is truly an awesome artist, and i only really end up liking Harlem in Havana, and maybe Crazy Cries of Love on Joni's latest), but that doesn't matter, it's just me and my inclinations. Remember when Bonnie won all those Grammies for Nick of Time--remember her face, her surprise and deeply felt joy? How she trembled, how sincerely she spoke and also those moments on the floor between her and her father? Unforgettable, most beautiful. And then there is the reason for her winning underneath all that--what a woman, what an artist, what a girl. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:00:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Joni mention by B Raitt in 1988 (JC & BC) Ray comments about Bonnie Raitt: <> I heard Bonnie coming into work this morning on her duet with John Lee Hooker that won ANOTHER Grammy for her "I'm in the Mood". Oh, and btw, "Longing in Their Hearts" was the next disc after "Nick of Time" and that was superb as well, her covers are to die for - the gut-wrenching emotion of Richard Thompson's "Dimming of the Day", or as Michael Y mentioned, the sorrowful "I Can't Make You Love Me". And of course, there was the criminally overlooked "Fundamental" from last year - I just picked it up 2 months ago and it's another string of gems. Her discs are always good mixes of rock, blues, ballads, jazz, etc. A lot of her sweeping the Grammies with "Nick" involved her recovery from alcoholism and other self-destructive habits. I'd love for her to do more Joni covers - her work on "That Song About the Midway" makes for the best Joni cover ever...of course, I haven't heard Lahm's stuff yet, still waiting for the disc in the mail :~( Bob NP: Jimi, "All Along The Watchtower" (pretty good cover in its own right) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:11:43 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Worst Lyrics Ever (according to Music week) UK trade rag Music Week have included some familiar lyrics in their "worst ever" survey. http://www.dotmusic.com/News/april99/99423News1565.asp A few days ago we asked you to post your selections of the worst lyrics ever written in our Speak Out section and the response has already been massive with some real gems coming in. We were expecting the old Des'ree ‘toast’ chestnut, but that's just the half of it. Below is a taster of some of the best so far. Next week we'll publish the top 20 - so keep posting here. We'll also run a competition to see if you can identify the sources of 10 of the best, so have a good look at these because some are bound to end up in the top 20. Some faves - and some of these aren't bad just daft - in no particular order: 'We drank blue lemonade and ate mud pies, We owned the land, oh yes we owned the sky' - Des’ree 'Richard got married to a figure skater and he bought her a dishwasher and a coffee percolator' - anon 'I'm afraid of the dark, Especially when I'm in a park, And there's no one else around, Oh I get the shivers, I don't want to see a ghost, That's a sight that I fear most, I'd rather have a piece of toast....' - Des’ree 'Turn around...On the ground...Give it up...Face down' - In Essence 'We were talking divorce And we weren't even married' - Puff Daddy 'John. Yoko. John. Yoko. John? YOKO! JOHN! YOOOOKOOOO!!! John. Yokoyokoyokoyokoyokoyokoyokoyokoyokoyoko.' - John & Yoko 'Some girls are bigger than others, some girls are bigger than others, some girls' mothers are bigger than other girls' mothers..' - The Smiths 'Little does she know that I know that she knows that I know she's cheating on me" - Guy Mitchell © Miller Freeman Entertainment Ltd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:39:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - April 27 1974: Today's issue of Melody Maker features a review of a recent concert, saying "Joni Mitchell is disturbing in a very real way because after watching and listening to her for a while you start thinking she's not just a woman, she's WOMAN, embodying all male desires and expectations. Small wonder then that a legion of very well-known men have been sufficiently drawn by the siren's call to jump in headfirst after her. So this is the meaning of worship? Like the White Goddess of mythology she beckons, elusive, virginal and not a little awe-inspiring. It must be a trifle terrifying to know you appear that perfect. Crap, she'd probably reply, because after all she's human and with a well-developed sense of humour, too." Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/mm740427.htm 1991: Night Ride Home hits #41 on the US charts. Her final outing with Geffen, Mitchell enters into a dispute with the label which has allegedly placed a lien on her publishing royalties in an effort to recoup its investment in her recordings, a tactic which the company subsequently drops. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:12:43 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Laurie Anderson (JC) From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:40:17 -0800 Ad.d me to the list of Laurie Anderson fans on the list, though I'm not as familiar with her work as many. I've never seen her perform, so I can only comment on her work as recorded. Experimentalism is the dominant trait in her work to me, as much in the sounds with which she accompanies her words as with the words themselves. I believe it was she who first placed a microphone in the bow of a violin, picking up the sound of the violin being played from a different perspective. She also has worked a lot with vocoders and placing microphones on different parts of the body. In this respect I would say she shares quite a bit with Joni, carrying alternate tunings and free-flowing time signatures to their natural extreme. I would also say that the substance of her "lyrics" is not too dissimilar to Joni's, though her technique differs markedly. One of my favorite pieces by Laurie Anderson consists primarily of snippets of a typical phone conversation ("Hello? Are you coming home?). As delivered, however, the conversation is disjointed, and the ridiculous underside to the ritual is revealed--in timing, setting, etc. I'd say Joni often does the same thing, but by addressing and naming those subliminal emotions and motivations directly in her lyrics ("Harry's House" is a good example.) The last thing I'll say about Laurie Anderson is that many of her recordings are very inexpensive, so I definitely recommend experimenting with her. You should be able to find _Big Science_ for roughly US$10. - --Michael NP: Roni Size/Reprazent, _New Forms_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:37:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - April 27 > 1991: Night Ride Home hits #41 on the US charts. Her final outing with > Geffen, Mitchell enters into a dispute with the label which has allegedly > placed a lien on her publishing royalties in an effort to recoup its > investment in her recordings, a tactic which the company subsequently drops. This is the first I've read that the lien was placed on her *publishing* royalties. Without making any comments about the legality of this, I must say that this is really, really low-down stuff. No wonder her attitude. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:21:57 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: collaboration wish >--Michael >NP: Roni Size/Reprazent, _New Forms_ I was thinking that a collaboration between Joni and Roni Size might be pretty snab, in a Ying/Yang way: her lush, elliptical harmonies would mesh well with the jagged aggression of his Drum & Bass grooves. Plus, there's that 'Joni' 'Roni' tag dynamic. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:59:13 +1000 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: Tape Tree on CD Hi All I was just curious if there is any move to burn CD's for the tape trees instead of tapes.It seems like a logical move to me considering blank CDs are cheaper than tapes and many listers must have cd burners either in their computers or as a stand alone unit. From my limited knowledge all we need one person who has the ability to convert the anolouge signal into a digital form then it's just copy,copy,copy from there. I am sure there are people on the list that can do this... Any ideas?????? Michael http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html michaelb@coolgold.com.au Either we are alone in the universe ...........Or we're not............ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:47:20 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Bonnie and Joni gellerray writes: "joni and bonnie seem to genuinely "love" and respect one another. I have heard NO carping from either about the other. . . Remember when Bonnie won all those Grammies for Nick of Time--remember her face, her surprise and deeply felt joy? How she trembled, how sincerely she spoke and also those moments on the floor between her and her father? Unforgettable, most beautiful." Ray, I didn't watch the Grammys the year Bonnie won for "Nick of Time," unfortunately. However, what I do remember is the look of pure joy and pride on her face as she stood up to clap the year *Joni* won, twice, for "Turbulent Indigo in 1996. She seemed happy as a clam!! Although, IMO, Joni and Bonnie have different strengths as artists, I was quite impressed with Ms. Raitt when I heard her at Milwaukee's Marcus Amphitheatre in the early- to mid-90's. She's an engaging, compelling performer who certainly sang her heart out at that particular concert. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:48:45 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Tape Tree on CD In a message dated 4/26/1999 7:02:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelb@coolgold.com.au writes: << Hi All I was just curious if there is any move to burn CD's for the tape trees instead of tapes.It seems like a logical move to me considering blank CDs are cheaper than tapes and many listers must have cd burners either in their computers or as a stand alone unit. From my limited knowledge all we need one person who has the ability to convert the anolouge signal into a digital form then it's just copy,copy,copy from there. I am sure there are people on the list that can do this... Any ideas?????? Michael >> Hi Michael, We are in the process of discussing this at this very minute. It appears that there are a few members who have Cd burners, etc. The main problem is however, a tape has 45 minutes on one side hence, 90 min. tape. A Cd has 74 or 80 minutes on a CD, depending on which one you get. There would have to be alot of overhauling of everything to make it all fit perfectly. Whoever is going to take on the task has his hands full. I would love to get all of Joni trees on Cd. I will be painstakingly putting DAT onto CD, keeping in mind the difference in format. Once I get all mine done. It will then be very easy to just *run off* a CD. It is the wave of the future, so I think it will eventually happen! :) Catgirl ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #24 ***************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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