From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #21 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 24 1999 Volume 01 : Number 021 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: the History of 'Twisted' [Joseph Palis ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #177 ["Ryan Lantrip" ] Essential Recordings of the 90's [RMuRocks@aol.com] Today in Joni History - April 24 [Today in Joni History ] joni and massive attack [Bounced Message ] more on the NRA, Joni's fingernails - Some Joni Content [CarltonCT@aol.co] David Lahm: Jazz takes on... [Louis Lynch ] Comes Love [Leslie Mixon ] Re: joni and massive attack [CaTGirl627@aol.com] combat the hate, the fear, the prejudice [Lisa Kowalski ] Re: Comes Love (VLJC) [Joseph Palis ] Happy the Man [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's Radiance ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:31:11 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: the History of 'Twisted' > > 4. Bette Midler is said (by people on this list) to have covered > Twisted next. I've never heard Bette's version. > > 5. Then Joni covered it on C&S. She almost certainly found it on the > LH&Ross album, along with Centerpiece. In Joni's Twisted she changes > (or got wrong?) a few of the lyrics and melodic lines relative to > either of Annie's versions. There two singers who sang "Twisted" after Joni (one that I heard anyway): one was Marlena Shaw's live version in her LIVE AT MONTREUX album and Crystal Waters from ... one of her albums... Its hard not to like "Twisted" so whoever can sing it should be listened to for the fun of hearing this song from another singer's style (though I would love to hear Manhattan Transfer's Janis Siegel sing this song --> the one who IMHO could approximate Annie Ross' style). Joseph (Patricia Barber's "Modern Cool") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:00:49 CDT From: "Ryan Lantrip" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #177 >KILL YOUR TELEVISION, NOW!!!! I did, and that is one BIG monkey off my back. >Try it. > I don't get it. Call me "stupid 17 year old", but what's so wrong with TV? Sure it has its mind numbing programs and propaganda, but i've seen some of the most interesting things on TV. I find it more informative to be told what is going on in the news than read it most of the time, I love some of the documentaries i've seen, and don't care much for movie theaters so HBO is a god send. I understand that real life is way more interesting, but nothin beats a tv when you can't get out for the night, or bored stiff...well, nothin but a joni album(but who doesn't know _that_) Call me kOoKy, Ryan "That TV lovin' nut" Lantrip _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:48:36 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Essential Recordings of the 90's The new RS lists the "Essential Recordings" of the 90's. Now these lists are always subjective, but there are a couple of things I feel inclined to comment on: 1. Of course, no Joni...and not because they're only mentioning "new" artists - - Van, Bob, the Rolling Stones, Peter Gabriel, Neil Young, all have entries on the list. They mention Tori & Jewel, who are obvious disciples of Joni (and inferior), but no Joni. Now Joni hasn't been Ms. Prolific in the 90's, but the quality of her 90's stuff is consistently superb - seems like TI, her Grammy winner, should've gotten a nod. 2. That omission notwithstanding, the list is pretty good, and reminds me that the nineties has been pretty decent - but they do include PJ Harvey's "Rid of Me" which is not only one of the worst records of the nineties, but one of the most unlistenable recordings ever made! I am grateful to David Wright for taking my copy. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Haitian Divorce" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:40:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - April 24 1983: Joni performs at Wembley Arena in London 1995: Joni performs on the Late Show with David Letterman. See a couple of pictures and read a review or two at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Letterman95.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:56:31 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: joni and massive attack Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicholas Bates Sounds like a great idea - what a shame that JM went for Thomas Dolby instead of Massive in her dog eat dog electronic phase . I suspect that Klein led her down that path and it wasn't all good. Yes, JM reborn as a triphopper, now that should kick start the career. Re "painting with.......", there may be something wrong with my ear but I think the sound is fine - and find the singing to be among JM's best. I think the whole package is just great but was interested in someones comments about video enhancement (do you mean something which makes the wrinkles dissappear?). JM certainly looks radiant on camera, suggesting that maybe she really had had a facelift (not our Joan!), but maybe its just 'video enhancement'! and while i'm here. Any ideas on 'lead balloon'? Is it about anyone in particular (David Geffen for example) or just a type. Not that I expect a definitive answer but its fun to speculate. Nicholas in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:02:59 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: more on the NRA, Joni's fingernails - Some Joni Content I must disagree with Winfried on his comments about the National Rifle Association. As I mentioned, I am friendly with many men where I work who are members of the NRA and read gun magazines on their lunch breaks. So, questions about whether individual members are "evil" or not is beside the point. The NRA is the chief organization in this country which successfully lobbies against gun reform. It is well known that they target any candidate who speaks up on behalf of gun reform -- as I wrote in my last post, Senator Feinstein has stated that they have a "stranglehold" on Congress. They simply do. I am disappointed to learn that the President's response for more gun regulation in response to Columbine is a weak one which does not get at the root of the problem. But I am sure he does not want to do anything which will weaken Gore's chances of being elected as well as the chance to usher in a Democratically controlled congress. I am sure that among the Nazis there were some nice people who didn't comply with or believe entirely in Hitler's agenda. But they were part of an organization whose primary intentions were antisocial and destructive to an extreme. The NRA is the organization to defeat if we want change our legislation and we must demand that they take partial responsibility for the tragedy in Colorado. The right to life itself and to live in a gun free environment is infinitely more important than the right to bear arms. Part of my last post was deleted somehow -- I was mentioning that a friend of mine was returning to her apartment when she was held up by three teens with three guns. If she had her own gun, it would have been pointless and even deadly to shoot at them. We need strict punishment for what is an extreme act: the threatened use of a deadly weapon. She has been traumatized for well over a month and is otherwise a very strong person. On a lighter note, with Howard's advice, I have decided to let my fingernails on my right hand grow to get a more Joni like sound on my guitar. I am going to rewrite a famous Crosby song: Almost Cut my nails.... I have no plans at this time to paint them -- clear, or colored, or to fix them with Lee Press Ons should they suddenly break. And just what the hell is a nail wrap anyway? Clark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:56:39 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: David Lahm: Jazz takes on... Just received my copy of "Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell." Her melodies are beautiful as always, and I'm glad to see her honored in such a way. But without her lyrics and her voice, it reminds me of the time I heard a Muzak version of "Help Me." The fact that her style shines through the more annoying jazz trappings is a monument to her musical genius. I don't think the drummer understands what it's all about, though. I've always been open-minded about things, and I can appreciate the jazz idiom and the reason why a jazz composer would take on the project. The playing is good, too. But can someone explain why I feel so violated with what they did to "Coyote"? Yuck! Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:15:25 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Comes Love For those of you who search out every version of a song that you love, I recommend Carmen McRae's version of "Comes Love." I found it on an album called, "This Is Carmen McRae." It has more of a "soul" feel than Ella's, Billie's or even, Joni's. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:35:30 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and massive attack In a message dated 4/23/1999 2:45:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << and while i'm here. Any ideas on 'lead balloon'? Is it about anyone in particular (David Geffen for example) or just a type. Not that I expect a definitive answer but its fun to speculate. >> I would like to know who this is about *Everything for nothing*...any one know? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:20:55 From: Lisa Kowalski Subject: combat the hate, the fear, the prejudice >From: fuzzbear@mindspring.com >To: "BRYCE B DUNAVENT" , > "Ann Gibbs" , > "Bambi A. Bloom" , > "Bell, William M." , , > "Dingler, Dena" , > "Donna Brannon" , > "GardenSmith" , > "Haney, Philip" , > "Janet Patterson" , > "Janice Reno" , > "Jenkins, Teresa" , > "Lanning, Rosalie E" , > "Lastinger, Derrick" , > "Leard, Jack" , > "Lisa Kowalski" , > "Lora Lee" , > "Marty Oellerich" , > "Richard Mansker" , > "Schronce, Arty" , > "Smith, Barry" >Subject: combat the hate, the fear, the prejudice >Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:46:33 -0400 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Byrd, William >To: 'fuzzbear@mindspring.com' >Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 11:26 AM > > >> > A friend forwarded this to me and its a lovely idea so I'm passing >>it on >> > to >> > you: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > As I was driving to work this morning I passed by an elementary >>school and >> > noticed that the flag had been lowered to half-mast in memory of >>the >> > students and their families in Littleton, Colorado. What a >> > wonderful gesture that simple act is. But, I thought to myself, >>what can I >> > do to show others that I too am deeply affected by this tragedy. >> > >> > Turn on a light. Turn on my headlights. Turn on my porch light. >>But how >> > do >> > I get this message to others? Use the Internet. I'm sending this >>message >> > to >> > everyone on my email list and am asking that you do the same. >> > >> > I am going to turn on my headlights on Friday morning on my way to >>work, >> > on >> > Saturday as I run my errands and especially on Sunday as I go to >>my place >> > of worship. I'm also going to turn on my porch lights on Friday, >> > Saturday and Sunday night. >> > >> > I'm going to turn on my lights for the families in Littleton to >>show them >> > that I care about them, that I feel the pain and hurt and >>heartache. >> > I'm going to turn on my lights for what is right about this >>country. I'm >> > going to turn on my lights against the darkness, the anger and the >> > prejudice. I hope you will join me. One light is not much but put >>them >> > together and we can light up the world. >> > >> > Turn on your lights - show that you stand for what is right about >> > America. >> > And as you turn on your headlights and porch lights this weekend; >> > turn on the light in your heart and soul. Show the world that this >>is not >> > what America is all about. With your light shining bright, along >>with >> > others, we >> > can come together (if only for a brief moment) and combat the evil >>that >> > confronts us all. >> > >> > Please pass this email on to everyone on your address list. Let's >>see if >> > we >> > can get this message to everyone across this great country before >>Friday >> > morning and let's use the Internet for what it was >> > intended - good. >> > >> > Turn on your headlights >> > Friday, Saturday and Sunday >> > April 23, 24, and 25 >> > >> > Turn on your porch lights >> > Friday, Saturday, and Sunday night >> > April 23, 24, and 25 >> > >> > Light up America. Show that you care about what is right about >>our >> > country. >> > >> > Pass this email along as soon as possible. >> > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:19:40 From: Lisa Kowalski Subject: Colorado Hi Everybody Last week before the tragedy in Colorado I was thinking about the tragedy taking place in Kosovo.I was talking to a friend and saying how lucky we were that we live in the USA where nothing like that(what was taking place in Kosovo)could possibly happen here..then Colorado happened which got me to thinking about the "ethnic cleansing" that was taking place in Kosovo...and I thought isnt that what these teenagers were doing in a way? a "cleansing" or purging of certain individuals that they hated .They did target a specific "type"(athletes,straight A students,students with strong religious beliefs)...Just a thought... Then at work tonight(I'm a nurse in an Intensive Care Unit) a patients husband was very irate at one of the nurses regarding a minor problem.You could hear him yelling down the hall and into the pts rooms.He calmed down for a while and then 4hrs later decided to walk into the nurses station where we were all sitting(about 4 nurses and proceed to complain some more...before he left he yelled at us all..."Colorado will seem like nothing when I'm thru with you all!!!" Well let me tell you,I turned as white as a ghost,could feel my heart drop into my stomach and toes,and felt as cold as ice! Everyone just sat there in complete shock.It was hard to believe he could say such a thing! I said,"Well are we going to do something about this?He just made a serious threat! Well,nobody did a thing and just went back to work,except yours truly here.I called the nursing supervisor and told her word for word what he said and that I felt it should be taken seriously(you just never know,do you?and I wasnt about to dismiss it!)I also told the security officer that walked me to my car tonight what had happened,plus I said a prayer for my co-workers on the way home.(I felt I did my part) Before all this happend I was thinking about what happened in Colorado and said to someone"Boy am I glad I dont go to school and that I'm not a teacher" It kinda sounded like,"Boy am I glad I live in the USA!" and now I realize that there is no place where you are completely safe.I have had major feelings of anxiety and fear upon hearing about Kosovo and Colorado and I was trying desparately to reassure myself that nothing like these tragedys would ever happen to me because I live in the USA or I dont go to school,but I realized after tonight that no one is immune from hate and violence....it can happen anywhere and to anyone...not very reassuring is it?... I am filled with sadness and great concern regarding what is taking place in this world...I think I'll do some more praying... Respectfully.....Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:04:21 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Comes Love (VLJC) Thanks for the info, Leslie. I like "Comes Love" as a song and if you get the chance to hear Dianne Reeves' version (from her QUIET AFTER THE STORM album, which btw also includes a near definitive version of Joni's "Both Sides Now" <--- the voice and piano arrangement is superb), then you will probably compare it with Carmen's. I am a big fan of Carmen McRae, too and I read in her album's liner notes that a waitress used to cry everytime she listens to Carmen because Carmen seems to locate the heart of a song with her singing alone. Joseph (collects CDs of jazz singers from Eddie Jefferson to Kurt Elling) On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Leslie Mixon wrote: > For those of you who search out every version of a song that you love, I > recommend Carmen McRae's version of "Comes Love." I found it on an > album called, "This Is Carmen McRae." > > It has more of a "soul" feel than Ella's, Billie's or even, Joni's. > > Leslie > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:38:07 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Happy the Man Is Happy the Man still on the list? If so, please e-mail me off-list for information you requested. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:32:56 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Radiance Nicholas Bates wrote: > Re "painting with.......", there may be something wrong with my ear but I > think the sound is fine - and find the singing to be among JM's best. I > think the whole package is just great but was interested in someones > comments about video enhancement (do you mean something which makes the > wrinkles dissappear?). JM certainly looks radiant on camera, suggesting > that maybe she really had had a facelift (not our Joan!), but maybe its > just 'video enhancement'! I guarantee you there is no enhancement on the video. If anything, it does not fully show her real beauty. I was there and was amazed at how stunning she looked up close. I have never seen auras around people as some have claimed to see, but I did see something those nights of the tapings and it was more than the lighting effects. She had a visible golden glow radiating around her. When people are glowing they always seem to appear 10-20 years younger than their age. After the first taping night some of us met her outside in the dark with only a few building lights on. She still glowed. I was inches from her face for a few seconds (she seems to have a habit, mentioned here by others who've met her, of getting right up in your face when she speaks with you) and I did do a quick scan for wrinkles, thinking her make-up was miraculous that night. I truly did not see any. However, there are all kinds of new-fangled ways to eliminate wrinkles these days without surgery, so while she may be able to technically say she has not had a facelift, she may have had laser treatments, botox or collagen injections, or, ahem, as some suggested, a (don't try this at home, kids) base coat of Preparation H before the make-up was applied. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #21 ***************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! 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