From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #20 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 23 1999 Volume 01 : Number 020 TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: more Joni quitar questions [Howard Wright ] Re: more guitar questions [Gertus@aol.com] videos ["Cupit, Greg" ] Re: Against Therapy - not much Joni content [AzeemAK@aol.com] A CDNOW Dream (some JC) ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] Re: Prince [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] "Court's" back in session... [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] pwwam my first time ["gerry mcnee" ] RE: pwwam my first time [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Portishead vs. JM ["paul tyrer" ] Re: Portishead vs. JM [jan gyn ] JC: A Walk On The Moon [Bounced Message ] TapeTree #8 ~ Announcement [simon@icu.com] TapeTree #8 ~ Cassette [simon@icu.com] TapeTree #8 ~ DAT [simon@icu.com] the History of 'Twisted' [simon@icu.com] RE: pwwam my first time (jc) [patrick leader ] Re: JC: A Walk On The Moon [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: videos [CaTGirl627@aol.com] TapeTree #8 is open for sign-ups [Les Irvin ] Re: the History of 'Twisted' [Joseph Palis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:52:15 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: more Joni quitar questions From: CarltonCT@aol.com >Can anyone tell us if Joni has always played a steel string on her >albums? I think so. The only Joni song where nylon string guitar appears is (I think) Court and Spark, and this part is not played by Joni. >Has she ever played a 12 string? Are there other musicians who play 12 >strings with open tunings? Yes, Joni has used 12-strings quite a bit. Don Juan's is chock full of them - just one of the reasons why the tunings for these songs are much harder to work out than on her other albums! The fact that she triple-tracks most guitar parts on DJRD doesn't help either! I think "Free Man in Paris" and "Raised on Robbery" also use 12-strings, but I'm sure there are others. >We know Joni went to Staten Island to buy a mandolin. Did she ever play >it, or another stringed instrument (other than dulcimer) on anything we >can hear? The only song where this could be the case is "Roses Blue". There's a ukelele/mandolin type sound playing tremolo notes in the background throughout this song. I seem to remember there are no credits for it on the album. It could be Joni, though I have a feeling someone else played the part. Other than that, I think the only string instruments Joni played on her albums are guitar (acoustic & electric), dulcimer and piano. Howard ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Well it's a cold bowl of chilli When love lets you down Neil Young ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:08:36 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: more guitar questions Clark wrote:- < We know Joni went to Staten Island to buy a mandolin. Did she ever play it, or another stringed instrument (other than dulcimer) on anything we can hear? Are there any recordings of her when she played the ukulele? There's an instrument played on Roses Blue which I used to think was a mandolin. However, now I'm not so sure. I only have that album on vinyl and my equipment for playing vinyl is not that good. It's a stringed instrument, played tremolo, may be a balalaika or something? Have a listen and let me know your opinion. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:40:31 +1000 From: "Cupit, Greg" Subject: videos Randy Remote wrote: <> Shadows and Light is only $57.99 at CDNow and if you go through Wally's Joni page, the page gets some sort of benefit. So let's support Wally, save some money as well. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:17:23 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Against Therapy - not much Joni content In a message dated 19/04/99 04:31:06, CarltonCT@aol.com writes a very lucid critique on possible pitfalls of therapy, concluding with: << Some people are lucky to find knowledgeable, client focused therapists who can indeed give them appropriate guidance. And some therapists are opportunistic and predatory and don't want to release a client because it means very simply that they will be denied their income and their power over that person. Therapy should foster a person's independence, but that goal is antithetical to the practice because too often the therapist imposes his own views and agenda on the process. >> Thank you for writing in such a reasoned and non-prejudiced way. The key expressions you use are "client focused" and "therapy should foster a person's independence". Where these factors are present, and the therapist can have unconditional positive regard for the client, there is a chance for some good to come out of it. Maybe I was lucky in that I had a superb therapist, who was personally recommended to me by someone I trust. Not everyone will be that fortunate. I don't know about anywhere else, but in the UK there are professional organisations with whom reputable counsellors/therapists will be accredited. Read around, shop around, and remember, the client always has the choice of whether to carry on. If something's not working for you, you can walk away. Walking away might even be a very empowering experience in itself. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:19:58 -0400 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: A CDNOW Dream (some JC) Yesterday, after reading the great review by Michael Paz of David Lahm's new CD, I immediately hopped over to CDNow (through the JM homepage, thanks Wally!) to purchase the album along with some other albums that I have been wanting. Thanks Paz for the great info. I can't wait for the arrival of my package. Now for the dream part ....... Last night, I dreamed that I was at the CDNOW offices to complain about my order. The office had great paintings on the wall (kindof Rousseau like, what I envision in the Jungle Line). Paz was working there as a guy who gets the CD orders (on pink slips) and fills them. My package had arrived with a non-Joni David Lahm CD (kindof country western cover, cowboy boots, etc.), an empty B-52's CD case, and the package had been stuffed with some other plastic CD cases that were old and scratched (but with no CD's). Paz was helping me find the right Lahm CD and was excited to hear that there were other people out there who was aware of David Lahm. He said that CDNOW puts old CD cases in packages to protect the real CD's from damage. A type of recycling. Then I was outside walking along a highway road construction project and Ally McBeal was there. Don't remember the rest from there. Dr. Sigmnondegreen, please help this troubled child! What does it all mean? Katie from the Cape ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:11:00 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: Prince Is the Prince B-side 'Love And Money' cover of the Joni track? - --jussi NP: Julia Fordham (1st) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:22:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: "Court's" back in session... OK, so I hashed out all the stuff about C&S lyrically, but what about the music - so much to be said in that category! Some random comments for your perusal... The opening piano chords, sounding just like a sunrise - perhaps this album more than ANY other really demonstrates Joni's "painting with music" concept as the musical textures are so dense throughout. Just looking at the players: The LA Express (Tom Scott, John Guerin, Max Bennett, Chuck Findley) The Crusaders (Joe Sample, Larry Carlton, Wilton Felder) These guys were a fave of mine in the 70's; "Southern Comfort" & "Free As The Wind" were great records... Robbie Robertson, Jose Feliciano, Crosby and Nash, and more contributing as well...no wonder this whole album sounds so good! And knowing that Joni is "conducting" this orchestra is what makes it gel - I know from reading on the homepage that she had some difficulty getting Sample to play what she was hearing in her head, that he was just playing "notes". She wanted him to play cascading waves... The variety of sounds and the "genuine-ness" of sounds also plays a big part - instead of synthesized woodwinds, we're treated to REAL woodwinds - and strings, especially the strings - I'm listening right now to "Same Situation" and just marveling at the pure beauty of the string section...and I don't see it mentioned in the credits specifically, but I hear a harp in places too! The unique sound of Joni's multi-tracked vocals, to hear her harmonizing with herself which she does so effectively also in HOSL. The melding of the vocal sound, her gliding and swooping and the interplay between her voice and the instruments is amazing. Then there's her second "mini-symphony" - Down to You (The first being "Judgement of the Moon & Stars", the third of course being "Paprika Plains") Listen to this song, forget the words, just listen to the music, the stark intro, the build-up adding instruments, especially the musical interlude between "Written on your spirit this sad song, Love is gone" and the next verse "Everything comes and goes, pleasure moves on too early, etc.". The music in between is some of the prettiest music written ever! We talk about Joni as singer, songwriter, painter, musician, but she ARRANGED this along with Tom Scott, so another feather in her Jacquelyn-of-all-trades cap! If I had to make any criticism of this album sonically, listening to the drums, they seem pretty unimaginative, but I guess with so many other sounds coming and going, the drums provide the anchor to give the songs adhesion. But that's nit-picking...I suppose at this point Joni had the record company's backing to spend a lot of money to get the sounds she wanted, and combined with the best session players of her day she assembled a powerhouse of an orchestra to make a true gem. Bob, seeking solace from the madness around me with some Joni music... NP: Trouble Child ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:54:38 +0100 From: "gerry mcnee" Subject: pwwam my first time hi ,another newbie with his first post .i've had great fun reading all things joni since i joined the list my love of joni was a very slow affair .i found her extremely hard to get into initially but now ,well can i say i heard the light (just did).my bias is towards the 70's joni ,her entire output for this period being imho the most incredible music ever recorded .the pinnacle of course hijera.regarding the pwwam video i thought her performance stunning .the sound on mine was superb .comes love would make an incredible single to promote the next album , im sure it will be on it whatever it is, she could even have portishead remix it perhaps, it had that kind of feel to it especially the bass. someone alert the record company.could you imagine joni climbing the singles chart,well in the u.k at least i dont know if portishead have hit the u.s.a. or other places.this post might never arrive not only am i new to the list this whole internet experience is a first. np chloe goodchild SURA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:21:15 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: pwwam my first time A new friend (welcome!) wrote: <<>> This is the most brilliant thing I have ever read!! OK, so maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but it still would rock!! - --Michael, drooling at the thought ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:48:52 +0100 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Portishead vs. JM Hey Jerry What a cool idea - Portishead mixing/producing Joni on Comes Love. I'd LOVE to see our Joan doing something experimental like that. What about some input from Lauren Hill on Trouble Man while we're at it! PX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:03:15 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Portishead vs. JM >What a cool idea - Portishead mixing/producing Joni on Comes Love. I'd LOVE >to see our Joan doing something experimental like that. What about some >input from Lauren Hill on Trouble Man while we're at it! >PX Joni and Massive Attack. That's my dream pairing. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:22:43 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: JC: A Walk On The Moon Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:09:28 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Hi Everybody, Just "bouncing" in to report that I was delighted to discover Wednesday night--that in the new movie, "A Walk On The Moon," Joni Mitchell's "Cactus Tree" is used in the soundtrack----along with a lot more more cuts from Judy Collins. The story takes place in the summer of 1969 in the summer cottages in the Catskills, where a middle class Jewish housewife, (Diane Lane,) takes her curlers out and "lets her hair down" while having a brief fling with a gentle hippy who comes to the cottages to sell t-shirts. (Whenever an actress's hairstyle goes from that "Petticoat Junction" "flip-bob" to a frizzy/wavy Carole King hairstyle as in "Tapestry," well, you just know, that she finally inhaled. The film has some wonderful touches ---for example, Julie Kavner can be heard as the announcer on the PA system: "Shlomie Cohen's Bar Mitzvah home-movies will be shown in the main lodge at 7:00 PM." Go see it. - -Julie Z. Webb, Don Juan's Fertile Daughter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:15:13 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ Announcement re: TapeTree #8 every now and again, if you're lucky, a concert experience overwhelms and you find yourself deep within what i refer to as the 'Magic Moment' ... that rare concert where the music is right, the groove is tight, and you *know* it's Perfect ... as it's happening. i've shared a number of these experiences with other audience members over the years. one such 'Magic Moment' was last may 16th at the Gorge Amphitheatre when Joni Mitchell gave one of the most amazing performances of her lifetime. i say that having seen quite a few myself as far back as 1967, as well as all seven 'road' shows last may. this concert was offered to JMDL members as part of TapeTree #7 sourced from my own little DAT souvenir from the 17th row center. another 'Magic Moment' Concert Experience occured last august on Yasgur's Farm at a little concert event called 'A Day In The Garden'. this time in the company of 40-50 other JMDL members down front, 10-15 ft. directly in front of Joni herself. a unique shared experience was enjoyed by all as we shared the community of each others' company in the musical presence Joni Mitchell ... She who brings us all together in the first place. most of those at the concert (all i could identify) have been reliving this experience thru another little DAT sourvenir. a rather excellent audience recording if i say so myself. THIS 'recording' is not being TreeD. however, as the great philosopher Yoda once stated, "There Is Another". a Stereo SOUNDBOARD Recording of this special event *is* offered to JMDL members as 1-of-3 recordings on TapeTree #8. Be prepared ... you will be pleased. take my word for it! BTW: 'A Day In The Garden' is one of only two performances of "No Apologies" and the only one we have on tape. on Mon. March 29, Wally Breese wrote ... >_________________________________________________________________________ >Subject: Kanata 'Concert' Photos & JONI LIVE 1998 > >Hi everyone, > >On Joni's tour last October and November, I arranged to have a >reporter/photographer from the JM Internet Community at each show, and >everyone did a wonderful job relating their experiences on the road >with Joni. For the Kanata, Ontario show, Brett Code of the JMDL was my >reporter, and his only disappointment was that his photographs did not >come out. He has now very kindly searched down shots of that show from >another source and I've put them up on the page that covers the Kanata >show. On a related note, simon and I have been talking about the next >TapeTree for the JMDL, and we're leaning towards including this show >because Joni and the band's performance is amazing and it's one of the >longer shows. Have a look at these brand new photos: > >http://www.jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainKanata1098.html > >Later, >Wally Breese >The Joni Mitchell Homepage >http://www.JoniMitchell.com well as Wally says, we've been talking. we've been deciding too. Joni's Concert from the Corel Center in Kanata, Ontario is the 2nd recording included on the JMDL TapeTree #8. one of the stronger performances from the most recent Tour. an extremely interesting show that also happens to be the longest show of the Tour (1hr 25min). finally. with a forthcoming (so-called) Tribute CD in the works, we decided it was time to offer up the 1st Joni Mitchell Tribute CD, an *out-of-print* Canadian CD released by the defunct Intrepid Records. 'BACK TO THE GARDEN, A Tribute To Joni Mitchell', is a CD i've been listening to quite a bit lately, even before i started dubbing BranchLeader cassettes last weekend. there are some really interesting interpretations and alternate arrangements of Joni's songs on this release. it's got a lot going for it and is MuchFun. well folks, that's it for now. TapeTree #8 ~ offered to JMDL members without greed or need for personal profits, out of Love *and respect* for the Art, Artistry and Music of Joni Mitchell. full details and contents to follow. i DO hope you enjoy. Remember, share the joy ~ spread the music. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- PS: now 'Traveling Miles' with Cassandra as guide. enjoyable trip with the 'New Moon Daughter' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:15:26 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ Cassette JMDL TapeTree #8 - -------------------- Cassette #1 ~ C100 - -------------------- JONI MITCHELL A DAY IN THE GARDEN (Stereo SOUNDBOARD Recording) Yasgur's Farm Bethel, N.Y. aug. 15, 1998 1. Hejira 2. Comes Love 3. Facelift 4. Summertime 5. The Crazy Cries Of Love 6. No Apologies 7. Sex Kills 8. The Magdalene Laundries 9. Black Crow 10. Moon At The Window ------------------ 11. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 12. Just Like This Train 13. Big Yellow Taxi 14. Trouble Man 15. Woodstock **BONUS TRACKS** BILLIE HOLIDAY 16. Comes Love MILES DAVIS 17. Summertime MARVIN GAYE 18. Trouble Man BILLIE HOLIDAY 19. Summertime WARDELL GRAY 20. Twisted (Original 'Instrumental' Version) - -------------------- Cassette #2 ~ C100 - -------------------- JONI MITCHELL Corel Centre Kanata, Ontario Oct. 30, 1998 1. Big Yellow Taxi 2. Just Like This Train 3. Night Ride Home 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love 5. Free Man In Paris 6. Harry's House 7. Black Crow 8. Amelia 9. Hejira 10. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ---------------------------------------------- 11. Face Lift 12. Sex Kills 13. The Magdalene Laundries 14. Moon At The Window 15. Trouble Man 16. Comes Love 17. Woodstock - -------------------- Cassette #3 ~ C110 - -------------------- 'BACK TO THE GARDEN' A TRIBUTE T0 JONI MITCHELL Intrepid Records (CD #N21-00016) BIG FAITH 1. Free Man In Paris SARA CRAIG 2. This Flight Tonight UNIVERSAL HONEY 3. Carey LORRAINE SCOTT 4. Big Yellow Taxi MOLLY JOHNSON 5. Black Crow ANDY STOCHANSKY 6. The Beat Of Black Wings MARTHA and THE MUFFINS 7. Shades Of Scarlett Conquering FUNKY BUMMER (featuring Anne Beadle) 8. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns HUGH MARSH, JONATHAN GOLDSMITH, ROB PILTCH & MARTIN TIELLI 9. River KURT SWINGHAMMER 10. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio SPIRIT OF THE WEST 11. Coyote W.O.W. 12. Woodstock JENNY WHITELY 13. Night In The City SLOAN 14. A Case Of You SQUIDDLY (featuring Maria del Mar) 15. Blonde In The Bleachers JOHN CODY & MARTI JONES 16. Songs To Aging Children Come ROCKET SCIENCE (featuring Laura Hubert & Art Bergmann) 17. Refuge Of The Road **BONUS TRACKS** ANNIE LENNOX 18. Ladies Of The Canyon CLAIRE MARTIN 19. Be Cool PAT MARTINO 20. Both Sides Now JOSHUA REDMAN 21. Interlude / I Had A King PAT MARTINO 22. Both Sides Now (w/Cassandra Wilson, vocal) DAVE DOUGLAS 23. Roses Blue 24. My Old Man 25. The Same Situation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:15:38 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: TapeTree #8 ~ DAT JMDL TapeTree #8 - -------------- Dat #1 ~ 90m - -------------- JONI MITCHELL Corel Centre Kanata, Ontario Oct. 30, 1998 1. Big Yellow Taxi 2. Just Like This Train 3. Night Ride Home 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love 5. Free Man In Paris 6. Harry's House 7. Black Crow 8. Amelia 9. Hejira 10. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 11. Face Lift 12. Sex Kills 13. The Magdalene Laundries 14. Moon At The Window 15. Trouble Man 16. Comes Love 17. Woodstock JONI MITCHELL A DAY IN THE GARDEN Yasgur's Farm Bethel, N.Y. aug. 15, 1998 1. Hejira 2. Comes Love 3. Facelift 4. Summertime 5. The Crazy Cries Of Love 6. No Apologies 7. Sex Kills 8. The Magdalene Laundries 9. Black Crow 10. Moon At The Window 11. Slouching Towards Bethlehem 12. Just Like This Train 13. Big Yellow Taxi 14. Trouble Man 15. Woodstock **BONUS TRACKS** BILLIE HOLIDAY 16. Comes Love MILES DAVIS 17. Summertime MARVIN GAYE 18. Trouble Man BILLIE HOLIDAY 19. Summertime WARDELL GRAY 20. Twisted (Original 'Instrumental' Version) - -------------- Dat #2 ~ 60m - -------------- Back To The Garden A TRIBUTE T0 JONI MITCHELL Intrepid Records (CD #N21-00016) © 1992 BIG FAITH 1. Free Man In Paris SARA CRAIG 2. This Flight Tonight UNIVERSAL HONEY 3. Carey LORRAINE SCOTT 4. Big Yellow Taxi MOLLY JOHNSON 5. Black Crow ANDY STOCHANSKY 6. The Beat Of Black Wings MARTHA and THE MUFFINS 7. Shades Of Scarlett Conquering FUNKY BUMMER (featuring Anne Beadle) 8. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns HUGH MARSH, JONATHAN GOLDSMITH, ROB PILTCH & MARTIN TIELLI 9. River KURT SWINGHAMMER 10. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio SPIRIT OF THE WEST 11. Coyote W.O.W. 12. Woodstock JENNY WHITELY 13. Night In The City SLOAN 14. A Case Of You SQUIDDLY (featuring Maria del Mar) 15. Blonde In The Bleachers JOHN CODY & MARTI JONES 16. Songs To Aging Children Come ROCKET SCIENCE (featuring Laura Hubert & Art Bergmann) 17. Refuge Of The Road **BONUS TRACKS** ANNIE LENNOX 18. Ladies Of The Canyon CLAIRE MARTIN 19. Be Cool PAT MARTINO 20. Both Sides Now JOSHUA REDMAN 21. Interlude / I Had A King PAT MARTINO 22. Both Sides Now (w/Cassandra Wilson, vocal) DAVE DOUGLAS 23. Roses Blue 24. My Old Man 25. The Same Situation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:15:48 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: the History of 'Twisted' with the 'Original' version of "Twisted" included on TapeTree #8 as a Bonus Track, i thought it was time to repost the following. From the JMDL Archives JMDL Digest: Vol. 2 #176 - ---------------------- History of 'Twisted' - ---------------------- From: Meriwether Jones Subject: History of 'Twisted' Date: June 12, 1997 I guess I've been out of the loop a wee bit. I had responded directly to Emily on 'Twisted' but I missed that there was a public thread spinning out on it. Here is a condensed version of two of my posts from some time ago. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Twisted is an example of a jazz form called "vocalese" wherein singers take one of their favorite sax or other solos and create lyrics so they can sing it without just scatting nonsense syllables. 1. Twisted was originally a sax instrumental by Wardell Gray, released in 1949. The disc I have it on is called "Wardell Gray Memorial, Vol. One" on Prestige. Gray played tenor sax in the bands of Earl Hines, Benny Carter, Benny Goodman (Sextet) and Count Basie. 2. Sometime in the early to mid-fifties, British singer Annie Ross wrote words to track Gray's instrumental, note for note. She tried to write lyrics that would fit his title and tone, with the result we all know and love so well. 3. Annie Ross later found two kindred spirits with whom she formed the band Lambert Hendricks & Ross. On their best album by far -- now sold on Columbia as "Everybody's Boppin" -- they recorded her version of Twisted. I have both versions, and there are a few differences, but not enough for the average listener to bother comparing. 4. Bette Midler is said (by people on this list) to have covered Twisted next. I've never heard Bette's version. 5. Then Joni covered it on C&S. She almost certainly found it on the LH&Ross album, along with Centerpiece. In Joni's Twisted she changes (or got wrong?) a few of the lyrics and melodic lines relative to either of Annie's versions. As for the original Wardell Gray instrumental, the Prestige disc has three alternate takes, which is always fun for closer analysis. Based on the alt. takes it appears that only the first part of the song -- the "head" in jazz parlance, which is repeated once at the beginning and then reprised at the end -- was composed. The part starting with the lyrics we know as "They say as a child I appeared a little bit wild..." up until the final "My analyst told me..." section was improvised and is therefore not the same on the other takes. Of course, only the one take was published back then, so that's what Annie Ross used to compose her lyrics. Although I've listened to two of Ross's versions for decades, hearing the bebop instrumental was a revelation for me. The lines sound very much like other bebop solos I know and love, some subtleties of which were lost in the translation to Annie's version, and even more of which were lost in Joni's (and, I assume, Bette Midler's) versions. The song is basically the same, yet somehow it's not. It's no longer quite bebop. As I've suggested before, I think someone should consider writing *new* lyrics to Twisted using the alt. takes and perhaps keeping Ross's three verses for the head and just exploring the Twisted theme differently on the improvised parts. Meri - ---- for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- PS: "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:25:06 -0400 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: pwwam my first time (jc) hey chloe, welcome, >comes love> whatever it is, she could even have portishead remix it perhaps, it had that kind of feel to it especially the bass. cool idea. joni and the same band got together an arrangement of gershwin's 'summertime' that they performed at the woodstock site last summer that sounded some-what trip-hoppy. i didn't go, but someone sent me an audio tape and the first morning i listened to it, sitting in a park in ny, ny, my jaw dropped. a truly amazing version. and i just read some interview where she was talking proudly about that, i can't figure out why they didn't play it when she toured last fall, unless she was afraid it would be compared to the wonderful version she sings on herbie hancock's album, which had just been released. that you noticed the bass in the show and i noticed it in the 'woodstock' indicates that she and klein are still exploring music together. wonderful. patrick np - dusty in memphis (new extra trax) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:38:01 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Re: JC: A Walk On The Moon Hi Julie, glad to hear from you for a movie report. I just happened to see the film "A walk On The Moon" tonight and Julie beat me to the punch in telling everyone about Joni singing Cactus Tree in it. I enjoyed that the scene the song was used in, was of the main character (Diane Lane) whose name is Pearl, "bein' free" and romping through waterfalls and cavorting with "the blouse man" in sort of a montage. I've never heard my name said so many times in a couple of hours. Nor have I heard it used with a leading character who is actually young and attractive (and doing love scenes). When I was a kid I spent several summers in the bungalow colonies of the Catskills, so it brought back some vague memories. (Never heard of them being called summer cottages up there, though.) I do remember announcements over the loudspeaker of the "knish man" being there. There was also a scene at Woodstock and I think Richie Havens was singing. They also used, Dylan, The Grateful Dead, Judy Collins (Who Knows Where the Time Goes), Ian & Sylvia (White Bird) and other songs of "my generation" in the soundtrack. I was 17 in the summer of '69. It wasn't until the the winter of '70 when my hippieness emerged. It was a really nice film (produced by Dustin Hoffman and directed by Tony Goldwin. I would definitely recommend it. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:06:26 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: videos In a message dated 4/22/1999 7:45:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GCupit@glenorchycc.tas.gov.au writes: << > Shadows and Light is only $57.99 at CDNow and if you go through Wally's Joni page, the page gets some sort of benefit. So let's support Wally, save some money as well. Greg >> Why is this Joni Mitchell video so darn expensive? I go that about 10 years ago for about 12.99. Wow, prices really do go up alot! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:59:56 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: TapeTree #8 is open for sign-ups Hi Folks! TapeTree #8 is ready to roll. To sign up go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Sign-ups for branches are open through Sunday, May 2, 1999 Sign-ups for branches are open through Sunday, May 9, 1999 Enjoy! simon, Wally, and Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:31:11 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: the History of 'Twisted' > > 4. Bette Midler is said (by people on this list) to have covered > Twisted next. I've never heard Bette's version. > > 5. Then Joni covered it on C&S. She almost certainly found it on the > LH&Ross album, along with Centerpiece. In Joni's Twisted she changes > (or got wrong?) a few of the lyrics and melodic lines relative to > either of Annie's versions. There two singers who sang "Twisted" after Joni (one that I heard anyway): one was Marlena Shaw's live version in her LIVE AT MONTREUX album and Crystal Waters from ... one of her albums... Its hard not to like "Twisted" so whoever can sing it should be listened to for the fun of hearing this song from another singer's style (though I would love to hear Manhattan Transfer's Janis Siegel sing this song --> the one who IMHO could approximate Annie Ross' style). Joseph (Patricia Barber's "Modern Cool") ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #20 ***************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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