From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #11 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 011 Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Burning My First Joni CD ["Eric Taylor" ] the ultimate concert (sjc) [evian ] Re: Joni songs ["P. Henry" ] Re: Burning My First Joni CD [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: the ultimate concert (sjc) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Concert Extortion ["P. Henry" ] ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] Re: [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Burning My First Joni CD [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: the ultimate concert (sjc) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Concert Extortion [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: BLUE on gold CD ["P. Henry" ] Blue on GOLD...whoohooo [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) ["P. Henry" ] RE: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) ["P. Henry" ] Fwd: [JoniMitchellfans] Re: Fwd: Catgirls list...... [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: BLUE on gold CD [Scott Price ] PHONE HOME [Michael Paz ] Some Joni Content; Hedge and Donna [Vince Lavieri ] TT #4 A Tape of You [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: BLUE gold CD, TI Ear ["Kakki" ] The Ultimate Concert [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Burning My First Joni CD [catman ] The First Time [Leslie Mixon ] Re: The First Time [Mark Domyancich ] Re: BLUE on gold CD [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: BLUE gold CD, TI Ear [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: The First Time [Scott and Jody ] Re: Joni songs [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Fwd: Prayer for Yugoslavia ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: The First Time ["Kakki" ] First Time ["Gene Mock" ] Re: Some Joni Content; Hedge and Donna [TerryM2442@aol.com] RE: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:31:48 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Burning My First Joni CD Tonight I am finally putting my CD-writer to the test by recording one song from every Joni CD - not an easy task because it's impossible to pick a favorite, among other things.... Here is what I ended up with: Night In The City Chelsea Morning Rainy Night House All I Want Woman Of Heart & Mind Down To You Blue (Live) The Jungle Line Coyote Overture - Cotton Avenue The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Amelia / Pat's Solo (Live) Moon At The Window Fiction Lakota Night Ride Home Borderline Stay In Touch What should I title it? E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:26:26 -0600 From: evian Subject: the ultimate concert (sjc) Well, since I am on a big Cheryl Wheeler kick at the moment, the perfect concert would be having Cheryl down here in my basement, playing while we down a couple of bottles of wine, then having Joni come on over so I have someone to sit with while I go outside and smoke (I would have told her to bring some cheap American smokes with her), and Stevie Nicks can come and twirl around for us... I would make sure to have plenty of chiffon around! Then we would call up Lindsey to come play to give Cheryl a break, and Stevie and I would make crank calls over to Mick Fleetwood (and collapse in a fit of laughter). When the wine was done, I would break out the ice crusher, and make some margaritas and cook up a mess of food, and Joni and I would do a good ole Saskatchewan Red River Jig, while Cheryl stomped and played the spoons. Joni would decide to paint a mural on my wall down here, and I would get to the bottom of the Hejira-penis thing when she was good and liquored up. Cheryl would go into impersonations of everyone, and damn, she would have us rolling with a good Bjork imitation "I brought my little "Jetto-blaster..." After numerous calls to Myrtle, asking her if it was proper for Joni to crash in my bedroom basement, and after Stevie suddenly flew "up the stairs and down the hall...not to find an answer, just to hear the call of a nightbird singing come away, come away", we all would go out on my deck, have one last cigarette, watch the summer sun slowly rise, while Cheryl wrote a song about the night that would go something like: Sitting on the deck, smoking a cigarette, with my good ole friends, Damn, mosquito on my contact lens... goddamn Saskatchewan! (Ok, I ain't no song writer... this is fantasy, damnit!) Then the nosy neighbor would be yelling out his window, and Cheryl would go and send Lindsey over to be their houseboy for the day to shut him up. Then we would retire for the evening, and Cheryl would joke to me and my wife about not wanting to hear the "Crazy cries of love", and I would mutter, "I am soo frigging drunk, don't worry about it honey!" We would all dose up on Motrin, rolaids, take individual gallons of culligan water to bed, and I would tell them the secret of how to jiggle the toilet handle down here so that the damn thing doesn't run all night. Then I would show them to their rooms, and run like hell to the computer to post this all! Ok, so it would never happen.. but hell, it was fun to write, anyway! Good night! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:18:07 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni songs CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << .I started out on an old Harmony-remember them? >> then Terry writes: >Hey Catgirl! That was my first guitar as well- got it when I was 12 and holy cow, did those strings make mincemeat of my fingers...> oh yeah, I remember those harmony guitars... those were the NICE ones! you shoulda seen my stella! LoL! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:09:58 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Burning My First Joni CD In a message dated 4/17/99 2:32:51 AM Central Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << What should I title it? >> Why, "Taylor-Made" of course!! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:14:27 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: the ultimate concert (sjc) In a message dated 4/17/99 3:31:41 AM Central Daylight Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << Ok, so it would never happen.. but hell, it was fun to write, anyway! >> And very fun to read as well!! I laughed as loud as I could with all my "borders snoring under crisp white sheets of curfew"...:~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 04:34:43 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Concert Extortion jerry writes: << I have the poster by Amsel from Bette Midler's first tour. Tickets were 4.00, 4.50, and 5.00. I have my ticket stub from seeing Barbra Striesand in Funny Girl: 6.50. Guess what it would cost to see them today?!!>> marcel wrote: > The coming woodstock event has a price tag of $250. Jeez I remember seeing Pink Floyd, and Big Brother for $7.50. I saw Yes, Frampton, Garry Write and the Pousette Dart Band for a whopping 10.50 at JFK in Philly. Back then we thought that was a ton of money. Seeing a show over 10.00 was insane back then.> Catgirl wrote: >those were the days my friends, we thought they never end....> ok, here's one for ya: as I posted once before I have a copy of an ad for Joni that, it so happens, I personally placed in the port huron times herald, where the admission price is $1.25... pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:39:10 -0400 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: Hi, J-Listers, old and new! I was browsing a digest today (so rare these days!) and saw a reference to the tape trees...I laughed out loud when the entry referred to #4 ... "I might be interested but I'm not sure about the content'" Correct! The content of tree #4 is all mortals like *us*, singing and playing Jonisongs, (or in some cases, dying trying)... it's the list tribute tape to herself. This tape saw general release around January 98 after at least a year in the cooker...and you know, it's probably the smart thing to be 'unsure' about the content!! From my notes, as I was guilty of assembling this tape, the content is: Night in the City - Leslie Mixon and Friends - a great vocal read, pro studio and great players Both Sides Now - Les - a beautiful guitar instrumental Moon at my Window - Marian Russell- Ahhh!! The Viennese Diva! Carey - Leslie - the same Woodstock- WallyB - a must-have! Vintage Wall-ster. Rainy Night House - me, in my project studio Black Crow - Bry Thomas (before he was famous) Check his new CD release... A Case of You - Tom Ross and his 3-year old daughter Emerelda on vocals - exquisite! Free Man in Paris - Tom again, in 7/4 time Refuge of the Roads - SueMac, Ms Etch-a-Sketch, shows her tabs Urge for going - me from 1968, live on Cape Cod-only half the tree included this fragment... Amelia - Pat Hillis (Pat where have you gone?) Nice read Radio - Lori Century (an expat now in Barcelona - a great jazz singer) Morning Morgantown - Terry Matlen's one-girl band - I LOVE this recording! All I Want - Julie Z. Webb and friend Monica (Julie, you can always come back, you know) Gallery - Marsha Doyle, a songparody reflecting on the list itself Cool Water - Guy Brown, a great lounge-y home studio production, including drips! Coyote - Wally K...Hear Wally all the way from Tierra del Fuego, or wherever... Willy - a guitar instrumental by Jim McCarthy, a slacker guitar-playing College guy Sunny Sunday - Bill Dollinger (need I say more?) Impossible Dreamer - Sue Mac once again shows off her tabs Magdalene Laundries - Pat Hillis -- I love this version - i can't hear Joni's without thinking of it Case - Lori Century - just wonderful Dreamland - Sherelle Smith - just Sherelle snapping her fingers, and blowing us away Cherokee Louise- Marian Russell - in waltz time - intimate and beautiful Joni's Daughter - an original by Bry Thomas, BEFORE the fact, yet! Pork Pie Hat - Lori with nice jazz bass and guitar backup Scarlet Conquering - Guy Brown again - sultry lounge reading Night Ride Home - TerryM - you can almost hear the hoofbeats (hoofbeats?) a personal fav. Roses Blue -Pat Hillis, again, a nice cover from a lifelong Joni archivist Hissing - Sherelle - again acapella, but who could care... Otis and Marlena - Bill Dolliger --it'll never be the same for me again... Both Sides Now - Lori - this is really nice...I hope Lori returns to the list someday... Dry Cleaner - Lori again with the backing musicians from Espana Pork Pie Hat - Tom Ross..an extended instrumental, I think- improv 101 Well, how can you live without TT#4? The quality of these takes vary widely from selection to selection. Some were studio jobs, many were done with home recorders and whatever. All are listenable and many of them are amazing. *Because we're JMDL! I know of two DAT copies out there in listland, and I have one too. Les and I fed the primary branches and while I can't recall who they were I think I have that info tucked away somewhere. I'm not exactly volunteering to mass-mail this tape, (because I really got burned out on that) tho perhaps a few of the branches might come forth and answer requests...I will reproduce my DAT's for anyone who wants to further distribute this material. I also have the original cassette inserts so contact me if you need 'em... Now playing: TT#4 Chuck Eisenhardt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:22:32 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: In a message dated 4/17/99 9:41:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chucke@tiac.net writes: << Rainy Night House - me, in my project studio >> ...which is one of my all time favs on the tape- a haunting, moving take on RNH. Chuck, you are being too humble! Take a bow! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:32:07 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Burning My First Joni CD In a message dated 4/17/1999 3:32:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << song from every Joni CD - not an easy task because it's impossible to pick a favorite, among other things.... Here is what I ended up with: Night In The City Chelsea Morning Rainy Night House All I Want Woman Of Heart & Mind Down To You Blue (Live) The Jungle Line Coyote Overture - Cotton Avenue The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Amelia / Pat's Solo (Live) Moon At The Window Fiction Lakota Night Ride Home Borderline Stay In Touch What should I title it? E.T. >> How about *ET takes on Joni*..... Catgirl ((((smiling)))))) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:39:35 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: the ultimate concert (sjc) In a message dated 4/17/1999 4:31:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << computer to post this all! Ok, so it would never happen.. but hell, it was fun to write, anyway! Good night! Evian >>What a great evening! I want to come along and bring Pat Metheny and Jaco (if he was alive) but no drugs, just liquor and maybe some smoke. You had me thinking aobut what a GREAT night that would be. I would never want it to end! Catgirl NP: Discipline Vol.2 -Prism ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:48:51 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Concert Extortion In a message dated 4/17/1999 9:02:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << jerry writes: << I have the poster by Amsel from Bette Midler's first tour. Tickets were 4.00, 4.50, and 5.00. I have my ticket stub from seeing Barbra Striesand in Funny Girl: 6.50. Guess what it would cost to see them today?!!>> marcel wrote: > The coming woodstock event has a price tag of $250. Jeez I remember seeing Pink Floyd, and Big Brother for $7.50. I saw Yes, Frampton, Garry Write and the Pousette Dart Band for a whopping 10.50 at JFK in Philly. Back then we thought that was a ton of money. Seeing a show over 10.00 was insane back then.> Catgirl wrote: >those were the days my friends, we thought they never end....> ok, here's one for ya: as I posted once before I have a copy of an ad for Joni that, it so happens, I personally placed in the port huron times herald, where the admission price is $1.25... pat >>I will look for my Joni stub from 79' to see what the price was. I know it was not 1.25....... Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:58:08 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: BLUE on gold CD wallyK wrote >I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It doesn't sound a bit better than my old CD copy.> I did a little experiment of my own and sampled the two disks from the realaudio exerpts on cd-universe over my little built in computer speaker and I could hear a definate difference even there! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:59:10 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Blue on GOLD...whoohooo Greetings Friends, I just got the gold blue CD and the limited edition of NRH. NRH has some very cool pictures in it for those who do not have it. You might want to consider getting it. The songbook too, has some very cool picture as well as the video! I am a little nervous about playing BLUE. I am hoping the qyuality will be more noticable then on CAS. Does anybody know if a songbook came out for TTT? I called around but I don't think this has happened. You really need to get them right away or you lose out! Also, NO one here got a Van Gogh ear? That really surprises me. Come on, NO ONE got an ear? Maybe it was a publicity stunt. But I can't see that happening either! Catgirl...Who has an EAR???? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:09:09 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) wallyK wrote >I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It doesn't sound a bit better than my old CD copy.> I did a little experiment of my own and sampled the two disks from the realaudio exerpts on cd-universe over my little built in computer speaker and I could hear a definite difference even there! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:23:51 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) wallyK wrote >I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It doesn't sound a bit better than my old CD copy.> I did a little experiment of my own and sampled the two disks from the realaudio clips on cd-universe over my little built-in computer speaker and I could hear a definite difference even there! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:53:26 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [JoniMitchellfans] Re: Fwd: Catgirls list...... - --part1_3d033e71.244a40b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another Joni fan strikes again! - --part1_3d033e71.244a40b6_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za03.mx.aol.com (rly-za03.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.99]) by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:33:26 -0400 Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by rly-za03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id PAA16430 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32618 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 1999 20:09:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 32609 invoked from network); 17 Apr 1999 20:09:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo16.mx.aol.com) (198.81.17.6) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 1999 20:09:51 -0000 Received: from Mewsikmann@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id hKXAa27251 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Mewsikmann@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:32:18 EDT To: JoniMitchellfans@onelist.com X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Mailing-List: list JoniMitchellfans@onelist.com; contact JoniMitchellfans-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list JoniMitchellfans@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: JoniMitchellfans@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [JoniMitchellfans] Re: Fwd: [onelist_moderators] Scheduled Maintenance From: Mewsikmann@aol.com The first Joni album I was familiar with was Laides of the Canyon. My favorites from that are Conversation and Rainy Night House. She was writing really strong melodies at that time, as well as interesting chord progressions. Both of those songs could be sung a capella and sound great, or could be played instrumentally without the melody and still sound very interesting. But my favorite, after hearing all of her albums, is Hejira. Just as she sings "now I am returning to myself," I am always returning to that one. It's hard to pick your favorite album or song, but a good measure is which ones get the heaviest rotation over the years. Hejira's the one, partly because it sounds so great. Her guitar has never sounded more gorgeous. And Jaco Pastorius is phenomenal. You know that rock n roll band in Heaven? With Hendrix and everyone else who's died? Their bass player is Jaco. Everyone else can only look on with envy. One of the problems with her later albums in the 80's is the lack of Jaco. Night Ride Home and TTT don't have that same spark flying out of the rhythm section. Not that it's fair to compare Larry Klein to Jaco. But Hejira was such a pinnacle, with the right combination of music, lyrics, musicianship, and recording sound, that it's almost impossible to reach again. It's her masterpiece. Refuge of the Roads and Hejira are really powerful songs, and Jaco's bass is perfect. Coyote has a great rhythm, and Jaco's harmonics are as cool as could be. (On The Last Waltz, when Joni launches in Coyote, the big grins on the faces of the Band members says it all. You can tell they're thrilled to not only be backing up Joni, but to be playing such a cool song. And while most of the other guest performers that night were playing old, classic songs, Joni was playing something brand new. Hejira had just been released that same month.) Amelia has become Joni's signature song. She still plays it today. "Maybe I've never really loved. I guess that is the truth. I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitudes." I guess those lines still ring true? I love the songs and I love the sound of Hejira. It bears up to repeated listenings. One of the things I've noticed about Joni's recordings is that even the early ones still sound great, by today's standards. Her acoustic guitar sounds better than on a lot of other records made at the same time. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you know that we add over 1,000 new e-mail communities every day? http://www.ONElist.com Explore a new hobby, discover a new friend, laugh at a new joke! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We are stardust, we are golden, and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden....... - --part1_3d033e71.244a40b6_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:01:35 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) I was listening to Blue on my CD player in the car. When *Last time I saw Richard* came on a noticed some clicking noise in the piano intro. Boy, was I mad. I mean I spend more money on this Cd then the original and yet it had noise on it?!?!? Well, when I got home I listened to it again on my sterio..it was still there. I then pulled out my other CD, and it was still there. Then I pulled out my Jap. import, and guess what?.. it was still there. Apparently the original master tapes had some backround noise on them. If you notice on the first few bars of the piano, there are these little "clicking" sounds. The CD does sound really great though. I don't know if I truly notice any profound difference but I am still glad I got it. I am mad (yet again) that the NRH cd I got has a sticker on the front of the Cardboard cover. I figured it would just peel right off...think again! Now I have this great CD with scraps of white sticky stuff on the front....so much for my Limited edition collectors item! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:21:46 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: RE: BLUE on gold CD I don't know how many hundred times I have listened to Joni's "Blue" but I do know that the gold CD adds a new dimension to the experience. I put both the old and the new gold CDs in the player and compared them not only track by track but sometimes note for note. This will sound like a contradiction but here goes. I have always been of the camp that says analog vinyl is "warmer" than digital (CD) and the gold CD is even more the opposite of my old "warm" records than the "regular" CD. It's very bright, almost shrill, but sounds very true to the original, or at least how I imagine the original to be, because you would have had to have been in the studio to actually hear the original. The gold CD has greater separation of the left and right channels and the output level is boosted slightly from the Reprise-issued CD. The vocals sound extremely life-like and I was able to pick up a few nuances I hadn't noticed before. At one point I felt I could detect the slightest bit of a wavering in Joni's voice, almost as though she was "holding back from crying" during the passage. The gold CD adds a more ringing-type resonance to the guitar and dulcimer parts and you can really hear each string being strummed or picked. So while I'm not ready to give up my vinyl albums yet, I do believe that CDs, and especially this gold CD, reproduce the music more faithfully. Now, if they will only release Hejira, FTR, C&S, HOSL, DJRD, and Mingus on gold... :-) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:28:13 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: PHONE HOME Eric Wrote: " What should I title it? " Hi Eric- How about ET Phones Joni Home ;-} Sorry couldn't help myself. Beautiful day in New Orleans Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 17:38:14 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Some Joni Content; Hedge and Donna Hey all. This is my first post after receiving the digest since I found it last October, after I fulfilled a lifelong dream and saw Joni in concert, in Chicago. I go back with Joni to when 'Clouds' came out. I originally decided to get the JMDL in hopes of having word on whenever Joni tours, so that I can see her again, and again, and again... I have patiently learned most all of the in-words and such that serve to exclude newcomers from the hip community. I have winced when other newcomers have been blasted because they asked the definition of a phrase, a word, or mentioned that they came here for more Joni content than we sometimes have. This is a forum on Joni Mitchell, and a community has formed that talks about more than music, and that is ok, but I have been offended at times by the references of late to "p.c." police and such... When hostility is offered here, I am reminded of the line, "I can't even hear the fuckin' music playing..." ('The Beat of Black Wings') I am a white middle class male and, as Frank Zappa once said, "I'm not black, but there a whole lotta times I wish I could say I wasn't white." To the person who said that crime rate is higher for minorities, I suggest learn more about the topic. Minorities are arrested at a far higher rate than whites in America, and if you want facts and statistics, those can be given. Poor people are arrested more than rich. Those without clout suffer from the system. Thus: is justice "just ice?" I think Joni calls us to be aware of reality, that it matters. Joni's music has always pushed me to be more aware of life and get outside my own biases. Joni has always taught me that life is more than my own world. That said, I have often been delighted by people's various reminiscences, stories, and insights that are shared on here, and the joy that is communicated by those who are fans of the incomparable Joni Mitchell and her music, which is never static, but has continued to grow and develop... and challenge and delight. I have a non-Joni question, however. In the late 60s there was a duo called Hedge and Donna. They had several albums, once called "All the Friendly Colours." My copy of that was lost in a disastrous accident in 1977 (I did save all my Joni albums, however..."). I would love to know if someone has a copy of that they could sell, or make a copy of for me... please? Finally, a couple of points to introduce myself. I live in western Michigan, grew up in Chicago, am an ordained pastor (Lutheran church) who ministers to people ignored or shut out of the system, mostly serving in two areas now, residents in adult foster care homes, and gays and lesbians. I support my ministry by being a legal assistant, which allows me to have more freedom and not depend on others for my ministry. One of my most unusual possessions is a Chuck Mitchell 45 sent to me by his mother (Joni's former mother in law for those who do not know who Chuck is/was). Why she sent that, is a long story... save it for another time, maybe. Thank you for this space, thank you Wally for doing this, thank you JMDLers for many happy hours of reading your posts, and thank you, Joni. (the Rev) Vince http://www.pathwaynet.com/stmatthias NP: (it took me 3 months to figure out what 'NP' means, but I can be slow... 'The Wolf that lives in Lindsey,' off of "Misses" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:14:37 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: TT #4 A Tape of You In a message dated 4/17/99 8:41:13 AM Central Daylight Time, chucke@tiac.net writes: << Now playing: TT#4 >> Yep, I listened to it today while dubbing it for Guy Brown. Guy, you're on the tape, you didn't get a copy? :~D All real enjoyable stuff... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:17:08 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: BLUE gold CD, TI Ear Catgirl wrote: >I was listening to Blue on my CD player in the car. When *Last time I saw >Richard* came on a noticed some clicking noise in the piano intro. If you notice on the first >few bars of the piano, there are these little "clicking" sounds. There was some discussion on the list awhile back (sorry I don't recall who mentioned it) that Joni has often deliberately left in some of the little glitches and flaws in her recordings. Joni has also discussed this in at least one article I've read. It seems to be part of her art not to have the final product be too "perfect". Based on that, it's conceivable that she thought the piano clicking gave a more "real time" effect. I have the same experience as Scott listening to the Gold Blue. I'm hearing nuances in this product that I've never heard before and I've heard Blue at least a hundred times over the years. It also sounds incredibly three-dimensional to me. > I am mad (yet again) that the NRH cd I got has a sticker on the front of the > Cardboard cover. I figured it would just peel right off...think again! Now > I have this great CD with scraps of white sticky stuff on the front What an abomination! As for finding the tin ear collectors TI, I also would love to find one of these. Someone told me they can still be found at Borders Books. I went to one of the Borders in L.A. a few months ago and, while I found that they have locked glass cases of special edition CDs for sale, including the NRH, they had no special edition TIs. If anyone out there ever finds some copies at their local Borders or elsewhere, please let us know. Kakki NP: Dylan live at the El Rey theater 12/19/97 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:51:52 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: The Ultimate Concert At the moment, the ultimate concert, not including Joni would be: Cassandra Wilson opener with Chaka Khan as the headliner. And/or Carole King opener with James Taylor as the headliner. or an acoustic evening with the three J's --- Joan, Judy and Joni.... On and on... "In my dweems we fly..." Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:05:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Burning My First Joni CD Eric's Choice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 17:32:56 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: The First Time I was reminiscing about the first time I heard Joni. I was living in the basement of the family home in Brooklyn. My sister had moved out to marry and left behind her record collection. I was very curious about that white record with the line drawing of the pretty lady with the skirt. I listened to it and played it over and over. Soon after, I moved away from home and went to college in upstate New York. One of my housemates was a Joni freak (and I would meet many through the years and up to today) and she had "Song To A Seagull" and "Clouds." We both learned to play guitar and sing and would drink Sangria and play Joni's songs. I put down the guitar since then but continue to sing Joni's songs to this day, 26 years later. What was your first time like, if you can remember. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:20:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: The First Time Usually I remember such things like first times but this, surprisingly, is pretty hazy. My sister borrowed Court and Spark from work one day and I think we were playing cards and we had a few CDs in the changer, C&S included. I really liked it! It had this great 70's acoustic feel to it and I felt that I was the only one who liked her at the time! Boy, was I wrong! :-) So I gradually bought more and more Joni. I finally got Mingus on CD the other day and even though the quality on the LPs I had wasn't the greatest, I did get a feel for it. I love the album! Mark, wishing everyone a great weekend! ;D At 5:32 PM -0700 4/17/99, Leslie Mixon wrote: >What was your first time like, if you can remember. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:22:46 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD In a message dated 4/17/1999 5:24:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sp@olympus.net writes: << So while I'm not ready to give up my vinyl albums yet, I do believe that CDs, and especially this gold CD, reproduce the music more faithfully. Now, if they will only release Hejira, FTR, C&S, HOSL, DJRD, and Mingus on gold... :-) Scott >> I got CAS on Gold. When I went to circuit city they had WTRF on Gold but did not have Hejira on Gold, which is strange since Hejira is one of the best albums of all time in my opinion. CAtgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:32:35 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: BLUE gold CD, TI Ear In a message dated 4/17/1999 6:31:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << As for finding the tin ear collectors TI, I also would love to find one of these. Someone told me they can still be found at Borders Books. I went to one of the Borders in L.A. a few months ago and, while I found that they have locked glass cases of special edition CDs for sale, including the NRH, they had no special edition TIs. If anyone out there ever finds some copies at their local Borders or elsewhere, please let us know. Kakki >> I got the (shat I thought) special edition of TI. It is in cardboard right. I know the new ones are in jewel cases just like Hits and Misses are now coming out in. Could it mean I have a *hidden* ear in my case and not even know it? I don't want to destroy the packaging looking for my ear. I was SOOOO bummed when I went to Circuit city and found NO ear in my CD. That stupid Jay Leno has an ear...little good it will do him in his drawer... Catgirl::::being mad::::where's the EAR??? PS I know Jay is not stupid because if he was Joni would have never appeared on his show. BTW, I even wrote to the record company complaining about the lack of ears in CD's . They never wrote back to me and that was how many years ago???? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:37:22 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: The First Time Leslie wrote > I was reminiscing about the first time I heard Joni. I was living in > the basement of the family home in Brooklyn........ > >> What was your first time like, if you can remember. >> I remember my 7th grade music teacher introducing us to Joni. Our spring concert included 'Morning Morgantown' and 'For Free'. I auditioned but was kindly rejected. She said I sounded too much like Tom Waits. I'm kidding, I love Tom, But she said my voice was too gravely. I had only started smoking one or two cigarettes a day back then. I just couldn't sing. At any rate, I loved these two Joni songs and asked her if I could hear more. She lent me her albums. STAS was one of them. I played that album non-stop. One list member said that I should contact her and tell her how she changed my life. I've been listening to Joni ever since and I'm now 41!Mrs. Crumm also turned us on to CSNY, The Who, Arlo Guthrie, and 'West Side Story'. The music students in the other class were listening to marching band music. Not that I'm against marching bands, but that's all their music teacher would play. I was so fortunate! jody ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:45:37 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni songs In a message dated 4/17/1999 1:36:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << Do you still have your Stella? I gave mine away because I am stupid. But I >did pick a little one up for my son though he never did play. And YES those >strings are just like the rest...terrible! >Catgirl > hell, I don't even have my old 1961 martin D28 that Joni borrowed from me to play a weekend when hers got hosed by the airline anymore! :( >> You apparently know Joni. Please do me the honor of sharing your stories with us......I am all ears..pun intented!! Catgirl...waiting for Van Gogh's ear still!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:23:23 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Fwd: Prayer for Yugoslavia My name is Chief Arvol Looking Horse of the Lakota, Dakota, and Nakota Nation. I would like to share a viewpoint about the "Ethnic Cleansing" mass killing of innocent people in Yugoslavia. I am the Keeper of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe of Peace, a gift of a sacred bundle given nineteen generations ago to my people providing guidance of teachings for assurance of Peace within our lives. The White Buffalo Calf Woman gave this gift of the Sacred Pipe providing guidance of teachings for assurance of Peace within our lives. Along with these teachings of this Sacred Pipe of Peace, has been prophecies passed down from significant people who walked their harmony. They based their lives on teachings given from sacred bundles, such as the Sacred Buffalo Calf Pipe or many other gifts of bundles and teachings from the Creator. They foretold of these times of great change, which coincide with many other Nations' archives recording their own Prophecies. The reality of the accuracy of these Prophecies which has predicted events upon Mother Earth, as well as the history of our own people, have come to pass, so we have learned to pay attention. There are foretold Prophecies of a very dark time, more significant than any other times in History. We will be at a crossroads in which a dark cloud will envelop the earth, chaos and diseases will erupt and we will witness blood from our relatives eyes. Humankind has to make a decision and have courage to make a stand for Peace, even when their relatives' minds are restrained from spiritual awareness of healing the mind. We still have a chance to choose to make a change. Mother Earth is a living spirit that clothes, feeds and nourishes all walks of life, but when fighting erupts, the land and life cease to flourish, as well as the spirit of humankind. Mother Earth needs our help! I call upon the World to Pray at once for Peace, to make your stand spiritually, you must see the ignorance of this situation in Yugoslavia will only make us blinder to our own empowerment of making a positive change for our next generations to come. Pray with me every day at 10:00 AM Central Time for a peaceful resolution to this continuing destruction of the World. You must realize this "disease of the mind" will spread even faster, if we don't take control of our behavior. I have been initiating an event called "World Peace and Prayer Day" to bring awareness of these times by uniting the world spiritually on June 21st, praying at the sacred sites, for Global Healing, this being the fourth year to the South in Costa Rica. When this day arrives, please pilgrimage to your local sacred site and continue the daily praying that has been done at the time of 10:00 AM Central Time. This is an invitation to the Serbian and Yugoslavian representatives to participate, whether it be in Costa Rica or at your own sacred place of prayer. Please begin to learn to understand the meaning of "Walking in harmony and Peace" in having the courage to transform our spiritual consciousness to love and compassion! This is the real challenge and courage in life. As one of our spiritual leaders, Black Elk once said: "One who walks a dark road is distracted, who is ruled by his senses and who lives for himself, rather than for his people". Please "Look upon your children, with their children in their arms, that they may face thewinds and walk to the day of quiet." From which there is no beginning and no ending in the Sacred Hoop of Life, I am sending you this message of Peace from my heart and the sacred altar, may our prayers for Peace be heard, may peace with you all... Hetcetuyelo! Mitakuye Oyasin (all my relations), Chief Arvol Looking Horse, 19th Generation Keeper of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe of Peace ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:33:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The First Time Great thread, Leslie - > What was your first time like, if you can remember. I absolutely remember but for me it all started with Judy Collins. I was around 12 or 13 driving across the burning Painted Desert (well, actually my parents were driving) and I heard Judy singing Both Sides Now on the radio and fell in love. It was late afternoon and the clouds in the sky were in those brilliant technicolors only seen in New Mexico. Soon I discovered that my musically gifted best friend was playing this song on guitar and piano along with Michael From Mountains. I thought Judy was my favorite artist of all time. But my friend quickly pointed out that the songs were not written by Judy but rather by Joni Mitchell. I was a little disappointed because I had never heard of this Joni Mitchell. But my friend's favorite music was all the Canadian folksingers like Gordon Lightfoot, Ian & Sylvia and Buffy Saint Marie and she had a line on the first Joni/Song to a Seagull album as soon as it was released. She played it knowingly for me and it just blew my mind completely and has ever since. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:33:53 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: First Time Like Kakki, but under different circumstances it was Judy Collins version of "Both Sides Now." Had to look and see who was the songwriter. The hook was really set when I heard "My friends and relations have names they must call me, for loving the freedom of all flying things. My goals like the gulls, to fly out of reach, out of cry." Parallel existence, that's the only way I can explain it for the past 30+ years. gene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:34:36 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Some Joni Content; Hedge and Donna Hi Rev. Vince, Welcome to the list! As a fellow Michigander, I would love to hear more about your connection with Chuck Mitchell and I'm sure the rest of the list would be interested as well. Any idea what he's up to these days? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:48:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) you know what? i've always thought these clicking noises were joni's guitar-playing fingernails against the piano keys. wallyK, recovering from having his two upper wisdom [?!?!?] teeth surgically removed yesterday Apparently the original master tapes had some backround noise on >them. If you notice on the first few bars of the piano, there are these >little "clicking" sounds. The CD does sound really great though. I don't >know if I truly notice any profound difference but I am still glad I got it. >I am mad (yet again) that the NRH cd I got has a sticker on the front of the >Cardboard cover. I figured it would just peel right off...think again! Now >I have this great CD with scraps of white sticky stuff on the front....so >much for my Limited edition collectors item! >Catgirl > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:50:55 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Catgirl's Ear Fetish In a message dated 4/17/99 8:50:49 PM Central Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << Catgirl...waiting for Van Gogh's ear still!!! >> Friends, Romans, Countrymen, SOMEBODY please lend this lady an ear!! :~D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:01:55 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Some Joni Content; Hedge and Donna In a message dated 4/17/99 4:34:02 PM Central Daylight Time, Rev. Vince says: << Hey all. This is my first post after receiving the digest since I found it last October, after I fulfilled a lifelong dream and saw Joni in concert, in Chicago.>> Welcome, Rev! I can't believe you've been reading since October and didn't jump in on a Job or Passion Play thread... <> You're being kinda rough here, Vince. Not sure what you're referring to exactly, but I've found this bunch to very INCLUSIVE. And it sure is easier to type HOSL and WTRF than the full titles... << Joni's music has always pushed me to be more aware of life and get outside my own biases. Joni has always taught me that life is more than my own world. That said, I have often been delighted by people's various reminiscences, stories, and insights that are shared on here, and the joy that is communicated by those who are fans of the incomparable Joni Mitchell and her music, which is never static, but has continued to grow and develop... and challenge and delight.>> Amen Vince! Now you're preachin' to the choir!! :~) Bob, who uses Joni in his Sunday School Class - but not tomorrow, we're continuing with our viewing and discussion of "Jesus Christ Superstar" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:31:22 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: The First Time My first time hearing Joni was around 1970 when they played "Big Yellow Taxi" on the radio. I remember enjoying the whimsical nature of the song, but was even more impressed with the political statement I felt she was making...the line about DDT in particular stood out for me. As an aspiring hippie I thought that Joni was one cool chick! But it wasn't until a few years later that I really began to appreciate her genius. The first listen was fun, but she didn't quite hook me that time. After getting burned out on "hard" and/or "acid" rock, Joni became my musical savior. I was basically raised on classical and jazz but everywhere I went during my teens all that was played was rock and roll. By crafting her wonderful mix of rock, jazz, folk and whatever other labels you wish to use, she covers the whole spectrum and it was for me a perfect blend of music and poetry. Still is, BTW. :-) Scott ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #11 ***************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?