From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #9 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 16 1999 Volume 01 : Number 009 Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- David Lahm and Gold Blue [mann@chicagonet.net] Joni Concerts Should Be Like This ... ["Don Rowe" ] RE: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell [Brett Code ] Les Deax Scalpers [Steve Dulson ] Les Deax Scalpers [Steve Dulson ] Re: Les Deax Scalpers ["Kakki" ] RE: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: BLUE on gold CD [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Fwd: BLUE on gold CD [CaTGirl627@aol.com] VLJC -alternate tunings [Bern44105@aol.com] Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell [Dflahm@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:51:28 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: David Lahm and Gold Blue Tower Records here in Chicago has both Gold BLUE ($30.99) and David Lahm's JAZZ TAKES ON JONI MITCHELL ($16.99). What a thrill to hear a jazz album of ALL Joni music! One of my favs is Song For Sharon.........I've always loved the sound of the xylophone! Mark (the husband) who thinks Joni is "too wordy" actually likes this album!! Who is this David Lahm to make a whole album of Joni Music????!! Great words from the man himself in the Liner notes. David............if that was really YOU posting on this list.........LOVE your new album and thank you for making it! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:15:08 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Joni Concerts Should Be Like This ... A friend of mine reports back from last night's "An Evening With Neil Young". This is his one-man all acoustic show ... in many ways similar to the opening of Joni's last show. So at the venue, liquor was served only at intermissions and was not allowed in the theatre, and there was no seating EXCEPT at breaks and in between songs so as not to disturb the quiet ambience of the solo playing. Now I ask, had these been the rules for the recent Joni tour ... how much more enjoyable would it have been? I can only just imagine! Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:53:29 -0600 From: Brett Code Subject: RE: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell David, Thanks for making such a brilliant cd. She has so many more songs; I hope you do volumes 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 until you've done them all. Thank you Brett - ---------- From: Dflahm@aol.com[SMTP:Dflahm@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 8:45 PM To: CaTGirl627@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell Kakki ordered it through something called CDNow, which is apparently accessible through your computer. In NYC, Tower, Virgin & HMV all have it, so I would think they'd have it elsewhere in the country too. I hope you find it soon! DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:03:21 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Les Deax Scalpers Kakki wrote: >Joni's latest purported hang-out, Les Deux Cafe And when can we expect the complete review and ambiance report? Can we organize another mass jmdl descent on the place, like we did at the Daily Grill? Et comment dit-on en Anglais "Les Deux"? >Around $7.50 price range (?) (Mr. Dulson help me out here) >Joni - Miles of Aisles concert I'll check my ticket stubs - that sounds about right. During the height of psychedelia there was a concert series at the Shrine Exposition Hall in LA. I saw the Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Fleetwood Mac and the Who on 6/28/68, Jeff Beck, Pink Floyd and Blue Cheer on 7/26/68, amongst others. All shows cost $3.50. But you could buy a new car then for $2,500. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:03:21 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Les Deax Scalpers Kakki wrote: >Joni's latest purported hang-out, Les Deux Cafe And when can we expect the complete review and ambiance report? Can we organize another mass jmdl descent on the place, like we did at the Daily Grill? Et comment dit-on en Anglais "Les Deux"? >Around $7.50 price range (?) (Mr. Dulson help me out here) >Joni - Miles of Aisles concert I'll check my ticket stubs - that sounds about right. During the height of psychedelia there was a concert series at the Shrine Exposition Hall in LA. I saw the Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Fleetwood Mac and the Who on 6/28/68, Jeff Beck, Pink Floyd and Blue Cheer on 7/26/68, amongst others. All shows cost $3.50. But you could buy a new car then for $2,500. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:09:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Les Deax Scalpers Mr. Dulson wrote: > >Joni's latest purported hang-out, Les Deux Cafe > > And when can we expect the complete review and ambiance report? As soon as I can actually find it! I've been by the location a couple of times and there is no obvious sign of any restaurant. I think it's one of those places where you have to know where the unmarked door is and also have a password. > Can we organize another mass jmdl descent on the place, like we > did at the Daily Grill? Yes, when I find it ;-) > Et comment dit-on en Anglais "Les Deux"? I may have a better clue when I find it ;-D > >Around $7.50 price range (?) (Mr. Dulson help me out here) > >Joni - Miles of Aisles concert > > I'll check my ticket stubs - that sounds about right. Although my ticket was a birthday present, I recall thinking it was very expensive then. Of course I made about $4.00 an hour then so it is all relative. >During the height of psychedelia there was a concert series at the Shrine > Exposition Hall in LA. I saw the Crazy World of Arthur Brown, > Fleetwood Mac and the Who on 6/28/68, Jeff Beck, Pink Floyd and > Blue Cheer on 7/26/68, amongst others. All shows cost $3.50. > But you could buy a new car then for $2,500. Ahhh, I always envy your concert history. There was a time when Blue Cheer used to play in an old WWII Quonset hut every week near my town and they would distribute those cool psychedelica flyers advertising it at my school. I always wanted to go but my friends and I were was too young (without drivers licenses). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:06:04 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: RE: BLUE on gold CD (comparisons) WallyK wrote: > I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It > doesn't > sound a bit better than my old CD copy. So I conducted a little > experiment. > I played my gold Tapestry and my gold Song for you against the old > versions. > I programmed the gold versions and the regular versions track by > track, so > that I could compare the CD's bit by bit [I know, I should get a > life]. In > both cases, the regular versions sounded at least as good as the gold > versions. I was bewildered until I discovered that my regular versions > are > German and not American. So maybe European pressing or mastering or > whatever > it is they do to CD's is so good in Europe that gold versions > constitute no > improvement. Don't you find the sound on American CD's not so highly > defined > as in European or Japanese releases? I wonder what Jussi and the other > Eurojmdlers think about this. I have the regular ('original'/old/normal) US and German CD pressings of "For The Roses" and "Night Ride Home" and I can't hear any difference in sound. I suspect they used same CD masters. Recently I got the U.S. HDCD version of "Court And Spark". I already had the German non-HDCD pressing of it. I was expecting the HDCD to be something out of this world after reading how crappy the 'original' CD is, how great the original vinyl sounds, etc. There is certainly improvement in sound, but not anything really radical. The overall sound is livelier and has more 'ambience' and the bass is a little more heavier, which makes it worth it I guess. The artwork is nicer than on the regular CD (which can be just as important...) My player does not have the HDCD chip. The HDCD discs are said to sound better than regular CD's even on regular players, but I guess you need a HDCD player to get everything out of those discs. I don't think there is much difference in sound depending where the CD is made these days. I've never noticed any difference in sound between USA and Europe. The earliest Japanese CD's in the 80's were probably a bit better, but I would say that today it depends more on the recording itself and how the (re-)mastering is done after that. To give an example, I bought two remasters yesterday. Duran Duran's (don't shoot me) "Greatest" (1998) is remastered, but the same tracks sound better on "Decade" (1989) which was not remastered. ABC's (don't shoot me, please) "The Lexicon Of Love" remaster is radically improved from the original 80's CD. So you never know. As a general rule, I would say remasters, HDCD's and gold CD's sound better than the original CD's, sometimes the difference is very clear, sometimes it's a matter of belief. The newer pressings are generally louder than the old ones, so that should be kept in mind if you compare the two. Take your old CD with you to the store! My "Blue" CD is the original German one and I will definitely replace it, no matter if the remasters are better or not. It sounds OK but there is an annoying mastering error. "All I Want" starts actually before '0.00' - if I want to hear the whole track I have to rewind the CD to - -0.02 and let it play from there. Grrr... - --jp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:51:11 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD In a message dated 4/15/1999 1:36:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Interesting question, and I do not have enough of a mix of US vs European CD's to answer. In terms of vinyl, however, US versions have historically been inferior. Japanese and German pressings seemed to be the best, by far. That is, unless the >> I would have to agree with you there. English and Japanese imports are far superior then american pressings as far as records go. That is why way back when I got Joni first 4 albums on Japanese Import. Only played once! They were the only three they carried at the time. I got Blue on Japanese import. When I get my gold CD I will do a test to see which sounds bettergold or Japanese pressing! Catgirl...NP: Tea leaf prophecy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:50:25 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Fwd: BLUE on gold CD - --part1_eb2855ca.2447ff71_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/15/1999 9:54:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 4/15/1999 1:36:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Interesting question, and I do not have enough of a mix of US vs European CD's to answer. In terms of vinyl, however, US versions have historically been inferior. Japanese and German pressings seemed to be the best, by far. That is, unless the >> I would have to agree with you there. English and Japanese imports are far superior then american pressings as far as records go. That is why way back when I got Joni first 4 albums on Japanese Import. Only played once! They were the only four they carried at the time. I got Blue on Japanese import. When I get my gold CD I will do a test to see which sounds bettergold or Japanese pressing! Catgirl...NP: Tea leaf prophecy >> - --part1_eb2855ca.2447ff71_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd01.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:54:46 -0400 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA04151; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA22692; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id VAA24761; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:53:39 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id VAA24738 for joni-outgoing; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id VAA24731 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:53:04 -0400 (EDT) From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Received: from CaTGirl627@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.11) id pUFFa00791 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <91fd274b.2447f18f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:51:11 EDT Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD To: joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: CaTGirl627@aol.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/15/1999 1:36:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Interesting question, and I do not have enough of a mix of US vs European CD's to answer. In terms of vinyl, however, US versions have historically been inferior. Japanese and German pressings seemed to be the best, by far. That is, unless the >> I would have to agree with you there. English and Japanese imports are far superior then american pressings as far as records go. That is why way back when I got Joni first 4 albums on Japanese Import. Only played once! They were the only three they carried at the time. I got Blue on Japanese import. When I get my gold CD I will do a test to see which sounds bettergold or Japanese pressing! Catgirl...NP: Tea leaf prophecy - --part1_eb2855ca.2447ff71_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:02:22 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: VLJC -alternate tunings First time posting: Just bought a guitar and am interested in studying with someone who, 1) really understands alternate tunings, and 2) has a keen understanding and appreciation of Joni's style. I'm in Cleveland, OH though willing to travel for the right situation. Any suggestions? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:29:20 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell Brett, I'm glad (understatement) to know of your enthusiasm for JAZZ TAKES...It would be a wonderful experience to record more JM songs as jazz and I believe it's not impossible. The feedback has been so good...hopefully this will be reflected in sales, a market discovered, leading to etc etc etc. You know how it goes. Whatever happens, I'm a happy man tonight. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #9 **************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! 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