From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #8 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, April 15 1999 Volume 01 : Number 008 Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: My First Post...... [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Joni's sexiest songs (Comes Love) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni's sexiest song [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: joni's butt ["P. Henry" ] Re: Therapy? [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Comes Love [Jerry Notaro ] Re: joni's butt [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Therapy? [TerryM2442@aol.com] therapy [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: My First Post...... [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re[2]: joni's butt [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Blue Motel Room [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Sexy Songs [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: joni's butt [CaTGirl627@aol.com] wilma flinstone, rip [Bill Dollinger ] Re: joni's sexiest song?? [dsk ] Re: Therapy? [dsk ] Therapy? [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell [dsk ] Re[2]: Concert Extortion [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Jumping on the extortion bandwagon [LOREN CARTER ] BLUE on gold CD ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: Concert Extortion [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame [Janet Hess ] Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell [CaTGirl627@aol.com] for the roses ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Blue Motel Room ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: BLUE on gold CD [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: BLUE on gold CD ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Blue Motel Room [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: for the roses [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: for the roses [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: BLUE on gold CD [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame [Brian Gross ] Joni Plug of the Month ["Kakki" ] Cheap concerts and scalpers (SJC) ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:08:21 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: My First Post...... In a message dated 4/13/99 10:19:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LEWISP2@Prodigy.net writes: > Well, that is my two cents worth. Simple words from a simple man. I am sure > I am not saying anything new or profound. Take care all and > peace..................Lewis > Hi Lewis! I don't think Joni appeals to simple people! Emotions she touches in me are sometimes so profound that I lack the words to describe eloquently how they make me feel. Perhaps this is what happens for you as well.Your thoughts, I think, are shared by most, if not all Joni fans. Thanks for sharing them and keep them coming. Take care, Gina (I've viewed PWWAM twice now and I'm still in blissful mode. I've made another giant leap of appreciation for Joni and it feels soooooo good!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:46:14 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's sexiest songs (Comes Love) Catgirl writes: Hi Deb, "Comes Love" isn't on any of Joni's albums (yet), but she sang it on her tour last year and it was GREAT!!! I would think when Joni puts out a torch song cd, "Comes Love" will be on it. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:03:11 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Joni's sexiest song The Only Joy In Town Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:18:59 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni's butt ok, it's time for one of those ooollllld dusty memories..: having a rather parochial upbringing, whatever adolescent yearnings on a boy-girl level I might have felt toward Joni when I was 17 and she 22/23, were pretty much kept in check, not only by the difference in our ages but mostly by the fact that she was married when I met her. (also, keep in mind that, at the time I was totally inexperienced in such matters) I was so naive, in fact, I dare say, I kept such thoughts even from my self... (even though she was quite charming and attractive as well as always good-naturedly flirtatious) that is until one night as she ended her last set... she was wearing the type of dress that was popular in 1967, ie: very short minidress, no collar, long 'bell' sleeves, (similar to the one she wears in that picture of her with leonard cohen at newport) and this one was quite translucent. as many of you know, Joni is pretty short and she was walking ahead of me a couple steps and as we were exiting the main room, which was dark, into the lit back hallway and, instinctively and innocently watching her backside, as one does when following someone through a dark room. then, suddenly, the bright light from the hallway came shining directly through as well as indirectly reflecting up from the floor and under that translucent, and at this point, for all practical purposes, transparent minidress and my young eyes were abruptly presented with the full impact of Joni's braless silhouette and also, due to the underside reflection, my first real-time view of that lower part of the female anatomy! I can still recall that sight as clear as if it were today and all I can say is: yup! it's a nice one! *G* pat NP: Down To You http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:13:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Therapy? Terry asked: <> Others have answered this question already directly, but I'll just chip in my 2 cents and say that ALL of us participate in therapy, whether the therapy is playing the guitar, tennis, dancing, petting a cat on your lap, conversation with friends, etc. My opinion is that "amateur therapy" is probably much more effective than professional therapy. It reminds me of a weekend I was staying in Columbia SC with a friend's grandmother who was about 90. She had a spare room full of hat boxes. Me, being nosy like I am, asked her what was in all the hatboxes, and she of course said "Hats!" When I asked her why she had so many hats, she told me that all her life her philosophy was to buy a hat when she felt ill rather than see a doctor. The costs were about the same, she explained, and she always felt better after she bought a new pretty hat! So, she practiced "hat therapy"! I'll bet for most of us, Joni's music is therapeutic...once when I broke up with an old girlfriend I played Hejira non-stop and had a good cry... I'll also bet that we're our own best therapists (excepting extreme cases)...after all, where's the incentive for a professional therapist to "cure" us - their income stops when we're fixed! Better to keep ripping the scabs off our emotional wounds than to allow them to heal... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:35:06 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Comes Love They are playing Comes Love on WMNF by a singer called Toni Price. It's new. Anyone know anything about her? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:40:59 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's butt In a message dated 4/14/99 8:21:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << as many of you know, Joni is pretty short >> Pat, Great story, but (no pun intended), I didn't think Joni looked short at all when I met her this past fall. I'm 5'8 and she was only about 1/2 inch shorter than me. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:47:06 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Therapy? In a message dated 4/14/99 9:19:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << I'll also bet that we're our own best therapists (excepting extreme cases)...after all, where's the incentive for a professional therapist to "cure" us - their income stops when we're fixed! Better to keep ripping the scabs off our emotional wounds than to allow them to heal... >> We all ARE our own therapists, even if we are IN professional therapy. Professionals don't cure anyone, we do, with their guidance. And a good therapist is thrilled to see a patient heal himself and get on with his life. However, buying a new hat or listening to Joni isn't going to make someone with a severe or even moderate psychopathology get better. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:49:44 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: therapy As a therapist I can tell you that I am very invested in helping my patients to get better. The incentives are many: one doesn't become a therapist to make huge sums of money (my patients who work in the business world make much more money than I); a therapist forms a relationship with the patient and no one likes to see someone they care about suffer; a "satisfied" patient will make referrals. It sounds as if you might have had a bad experience in therapy, and if that is true, you shouldn't judge all therapy and therapists based on one experience. Many people, myself included, feel that therapy has changed their life for the better. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:06:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: My First Post...... Lewis says: <> Welcome, Lewis, and a good analogy. Of course, even if you can't choose one, just thinking about the wealth they contain is an invigorating exercise... Bob NP: John Fogerty "I Ain't Never" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:25:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: joni's butt Pat wrote, "Dear Penthouse Forum": <<...at this point, for all practical purposes, transparent minidress and my young eyes were abruptly presented with the full impact of Joni's braless silhouette and also, due to the underside reflection, my first real-time view of that lower part of the female anatomy! I can still recall that sight as clear as if it were today and all I can say is: yup! it's a nice one! *G*>> Way to go Pat! I KNEW you'd get to the *GOOD* dirt eventually!! :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:48:23 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room In a message dated 4/14/1999 2:12:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Just wanted to clarify this. The key word here is LEAST favourite song. I love Blue Motel Room, but I had to pick one from the album that was my least favourite - an almost impossible choice, but I love the other songs on Hejira more than this one. Some people wimped out by saying they didn't have a "least" favourite, but I wanted to answer the "questionnaire" as completely as possible! There are actually no Joni songs that I don't like, but the question wasn't best/worst, it was most/least! Helen - not offended in the least, just wanting to make my p >> Whimping out? Why I never!!! LOL! For me, some albums, there was just no song that I favor least. I love them all. But to chose a favorite was easier then least fav. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:50:35 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Sexy Songs In a message dated 4/14/1999 2:17:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << It's on the "Painting With Words and Music" video, and I must say, I'm inclined to agree, now that I think about it. Although actually being able to SEE Joni perform it, makes a huge difference! Wow!!! Helen >> Aha, A video I have only seen once but plan on putting it on Cd! Thanks dear, I would not have known other wise and now I must rewatch the video! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:03:56 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's butt In a message dated 4/14/1999 9:43:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << Pat, Great story, but (no pun intended), I didn't think Joni looked short at all when I met her this past fall. I'm 5'8 and she was only about 1/2 inch shorter than me. Terry >> OH MY GOD I AM FREAKING OUT!!!!! She is the same height as me 5'7 and a half right. NO wonder why I love this women. We could wear the same clothes!!!! She has great taste too! Catgirl....acting weird! BTW, I was going to ask how tall she was. Now I know! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Dollinger Subject: wilma flinstone, rip Jean Vander Pyl, the voice of Wilma Flinstone, passed away at 79. In her honor, I am reposting the parody i did, Shades of Wilma Conquering. bill Out of the stones in cartoon paint Comes Wilma and her deep complaint Mimicking tenderness she sees In sentimental movies. A dinasaur-rider comes to town Animated lovers sway Renditions of sweeping bedrock gowns Take her breath away Out in the wind in bronto skins Chasing the ghosts of Granite and Flint Through gravel boys and extra players A big bone hopeful in her auburn hair She comes from a stone-age concrete town And she's getting sick of it Any man in the world, but she's stuck with Fred And his Yabba-Dabba-Do shit. Friends have told her not so proud Rubbles trying to sleep and yelling "not so loud" Fred in anger, each night he shouts Harder and harder to let that damn cat out. Given in the night to dark dreams From the dark things she saw She's getting so tired of the G-rated scenes Cause that's all they draw. Beauty and madness to be praised It is not easy to be brave To walk around and wear those bones To carry the weight of all those stones Wearing the same white dress, she stands Cast iron and sweet With her impossibly three-fingered hands And no shoes on her feet Out of the cave and still stoned as hell She says "A Flintstone must have everything" Shades of Wilma Conquering She says "A Flintstone must have everything" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:20:02 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: joni's sexiest song?? > From: "paul tyrer" > > But then Joni probably isn't the greatest for shagging to... Yeah, I'm thinking too much when I'm listening to Joni, even when her images are sexy. Of course, thinking can lead to feeling can lead to ... But then I'm caught again by one of her fascinating lyrics and I'm back to thinking. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:51:15 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Therapy? >Terry asked: > > < wondering if she'd ever been in therapy. Has she ever talked about that?>> My recollection is that she tried therapy, but just for a very short time and doesn't speak about the process with much admiration. It doesn't seem like she would need it, since she's always come across as having a very solid sense of herself, and that she's always assumed people will listen to what she has to say and care about how she feels. Probably comes from being an only child of somewhat older parents. Bob writes: ALL of us participate in therapy, whether the therapy is > playing the guitar, tennis, dancing, petting a cat on your lap, conversation > with friends, etc. ... she always felt better after she > bought a new pretty hat! I guess we all try to sooth ourselves. Not to speak too dramatically or badly of your friend's grandma, but sounds like she had an addiction to me. And for how long after buying each hat, I wonder, did she feel good? The problems are still there. I'll bet for most of us, Joni's music is > therapeutic... For sure, it's been a help to me. I've always been amazed and impressed with how Joni could describe how she felt, even the fleeting subtle hard-to-pin down feelings. Coming from the don't feel, don't bother me background that I did, Joni put into words what I didn't have a clue about. As far as therapy goes, I know it can literally be a life-saver. It certainly helped me learn about and accept my feelings (and accept myself) in a way I don't think I could have ever learned without it. Family members sure weren't going to help me get healthier (how could they?), and friends, well, mostly I tried to fit them into scenarios I was playing out. Didn't usually work out well. Before therapy, feelings ruled me in a very crazy way. Now, feelings RULE, but in a good way. Better to keep ripping the scabs off > our emotional wounds than to allow them to heal... Some wounds run so deep people don't even know they're there. Therapists can help uncover them, rip the scabs off so to speak, so the wounds can heal rather than just be covered up. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:07:22 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Therapy? In response to your question Bob, there is no question that there is a strong connection between the mental, emotional, spiritual and physical health. Therapy doesn't just take place during the 45-50 minute session--therapy continues long after the session is over (it continues throughout life). And yes, other things, including Joni's music, etc. can be a type of therapy. No doubt, Joni's art--her music and painting--must be a form of therapy for her (or how else could they express such universal feelings/emotions/etc.?). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:56:05 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell Wally Breese wrote: > And buy the album. Listening to JTOJM is a very unique > experience that is only enhanced with repeated plays. I recommend it. I do too. It's a dance around the room, sway to the music type of sound, with lots of surprises. The music is great and I can hear it, now that I'm not concentrating on Joni's lyrics. It's very enjoyable. DS P.S. and I feel... I feel... happy, listening to it. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:36:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Concert Extortion Catgirl said: <> Well Catgirl, I wasn't in the nosebleed section, but I would sum it up like this: (2) Tickets to see Joni & Bob Dylan in Atlanta...$140.00 (1) Blue Motel Room...$75.00 (2) Drinks & Dinner at Einstein's...$30.00 Meeting Joni at the Ritz Carlton, getting an autograph & photo...priceless!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:23:57 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: Jumping on the extortion bandwagon Marcel said >Good grief. Within one hour I have about 20 responses to my little post about >the $7.50 concert. Must have hit a nerve here. Actually prices that really >get me are when I go to a football game and parking in a muddy dirt lot is >$20. water is $3.50 and of course theres the old $5.00 hot dog (cold). let us >not forget court side tix for a knick game are at $1500 a seat (per game). >marcel. The high cost of sports entertainment is the reason that I will never again go and watch a major league professional anything. The cost of tickets, parking, beer, sodas, popcorn, dogs, souveniers, and whatever else (I'm incredibly impulsive in my shopping habits so I have to be careful) prices those events out of my league. Now I make upwards of $80K/yr in salary (I ain't worth that but I'll continue to cash the paychecks until they realize their mistake ;-D) and I can't (or don't want to) hand out $200 for a 2-3-4 hour pro anything game. Especially here in the DC area where all of the sports team stink. I give you the Bulets (now the Basketball Wizards), Redskins (non-PC named pro football team), Capitals (local paper describes them as "choking dogs" pro hockey team), Orioles (pro baseball team up the highway in Baltimore, currently residing near the bottom of the league again) I can't see paying all that $$$ to see a bunch of highly overpaid (who am I to throw the first stone anyway), whining, spoiled, getting arraigned in court name calling, it ain't my fault, players on any of those teams. When my son gets older I'll take him to the assorted minor league teams for his baseball watching pleasure, maybe the local colleges for basketball and football, but never again will I go to a major league anything. Don't even watch on TV anymore. OK, I do watch the Redskins lose on Sundays, but there's some kind of local ordinance requiring that time in front of the TV. We ain't been to a movie theater in 2.5 years and now that the prices are up to $7-8, not much chance I'll be there either. It'll be Blockbuster for me. Should get me some of their stock. Here around DC there's lots of museums, parks, zoos, exhibitions to go to. That's where we'll be. Jeez, the Holocaust Museum is walking distance from where I work now. So maybe a long lunch is in the offing. Since it's unlikely that Ms. JM will tour around here again, I'll never get out of the house for a night out on the town. Sorry to rant and rave, but it was most cleansing to breathe the air from on top of my ivory soap box. humbly and sorry to waste your precious time, Loren.... NP....Last Train to Clarksville....The Monkees (when I started this) The Wanderer....Dion (when I finally finished) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:47:50 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: wilma flinstone, rip In a message dated 4/14/99 12:23:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bdolling@CapAccess.org writes: << Chasing the ghosts of Granite and Flint >> Brilliance strikes again. Thanks, Bill. Hadn't seen this one in ages. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:53:07 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Least/Most PC, Otis and Marlena into the tenth world, into Dreamland(JC) I was thinking about Otis and Marlena today. The song goes right into the tenth world (which I *love*) and then flows rather nicely into Dreamland. The three are a sort of trilogy, but within the context of this incredible concept album. I just could not pick a least favorite on DJRD, as every song is an integral part of the whole fabric of this masterful work. Gina (who is more in awe of "Joni Genius" than ever, thanks to this great list!) NP: Dreamland ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:47:50 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Amos cover of Case of You (Joni related) In a message dated 4/13/99 10:24:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: > yeah, isn't tori amos kind of like kate bush with fingers? > wallyk Tori Amos is really very much her own artist, in my opinion. She has influences, some of them being Joni and Kate but I think she's original and immenselly talented. A bit too heavy at times but she's young. Hopefully she'll age nicely and her ardent fans will discuss her work some years down the road as we are now discussing Joni. I'm a fan. She's a fantastic piano player. A virtuoso, from what I understand, who began serious piano at something like the age of five. Also a pretty good songwriter, in my opinion. Gina NP: The Tenth World ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:27:32 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Therapy? I had a therapist for five years. He helped me change me andf therefore my life. He did not charge much, was available 24hrs a day. For the little money I paid him, he loved me and listened and loved me some more. Thru his loving patience and acceptance of me, i was able to ditch a whole load of heavy and painful shit and become myself. If I had had to pay ten times the amount I would have, even tho I couldn't afford to of course. But then he was not doing it for the money. I have met several t's and they were all incompetant idots till this one restored my faith in such a practice. As for Joni, well she needs a good one and perhaps I could persuade Roger to take her on....... TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/14/99 9:19:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > > << I'll also bet that we're our own best therapists (excepting extreme > cases)...after all, where's the incentive for a professional therapist to > "cure" > us - their income stops when we're fixed! Better to keep ripping the scabs > off > our emotional wounds than to allow them to heal... >> > > We all ARE our own therapists, even if we are IN professional therapy. > Professionals don't cure anyone, we do, with their guidance. And a good > therapist is thrilled to see a patient heal himself and get on with his life. > However, buying a new hat or listening to Joni isn't going to make someone > with a severe or even moderate psychopathology get better. > > Terry - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:56:54 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: BLUE on gold CD I agree with Kakki. The HDCD was the winner last year but the gold one has a naturalness to the way sounds decay to black. Even when she overloads her microphone it is not as awful as in previous versions. Recommended for audiophiles! - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:05:31 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame Hi Folks. Happy Spring to one and all. This from today's LA Times: "Making Up for Lost Time: A bumper crop of 186 musical recordings--including Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire," Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode," the Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" and Joni Mitchell's "Blue" album--were inducted Monday into the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences' Hall of Fame. The mix of singles and albums--representing the most honorees ever in a single year--were added to the 263 titles previously inducted since the hall was established in 1973. Trustees of the academy, which sponsors the Grammys, decided two years ago to accelerate Hall of Fame inductions because of "huge, gaping holes" that remained in its pantheon of landmark recordings, academy President Michael Greene said during the Los Angeles induction ceremonies, adding: "For the first time, I feel like the Grammy Hall of Fame actually makes some sense in chronicling the great seminal recordings. . . . Now we're at a point where it's a great representation of great American music." Including this year's additions, the Beatles, Duke Ellington and Frank Sinatra are the most honored artists in the hall, with six entries each. Van Morrison and John Lennon each had three works inducted this year. " - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:23:17 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Concert Extortion In a message dated 4/14/99 5:48:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << Well Catgirl, I wasn't in the nosebleed section, but I would sum it up like this: (2) Tickets to see Joni & Bob Dylan in Atlanta...$140.00 (1) Blue Motel Room...$75.00 (2) Drinks & Dinner at Einstein's...$30.00 Meeting Joni at the Ritz Carlton, getting an autograph & photo...priceless!! Bob >> And remember, they don't take the L.A. Express! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:04:43 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame Thus answering the age-old question: What do Joni Mitchell's "Blue" and the Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" have in common? At 08:05 PM 4/14/1999 EDT, Julius wrote: >Hi Folks. Happy Spring to one and all. This from today's LA Times: > >"Making Up for Lost Time: A bumper crop of 186 musical recordings--including >Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire," Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Goode," the Kingsmen's >"Louie Louie" and Joni Mitchell's "Blue" album--were inducted Monday into the >National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences' Hall of Fame. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:29:57 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell In a message dated 4/14/1999 3:54:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dskARTS@concentric.net writes: << > And buy the album. Listening to JTOJM is a very unique > experience that is only enhanced with repeated plays. I recommend it. I do too. It's a dance around the room, sway to the music type of sound, with lots of surprises. The music is great and I can hear it, now that I'm not concentrating on Joni's lyrics. It's very enjoyable. DS P.S. and I feel... I feel... happy, listening to it. :-) >> OK OK I am sold...how do I get this tempting peice of music? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:51:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: for the roses Patrick! What a wonderful post! I'm still getting chills trying to imagine what it must have been like to hear FTR for the first time ... and live! FTR remains one of this century's master achievements. "I'm feeling so good, I spring from the boulders like a mama lion." I can still remember when I actually felt that way after a long bout of depression when I was 16, about the time I first heard FTR. I knew only Blue and the earlier stuff; I never believed there could still be an FTR [or a Hejira or a DJRD for that matter] to discover. I got FTR and Hissing on the same day [I guess I've already told this story]. A woman from the church group I was then a member of brought me FTR from Miami. It cost me $6.00!!! Of course, I couldn't wait so I ripped the plastic wrapping off and opened the the thing wide for everybody to see. And there it was: Joni's butt in front of the whole middle-class, mid-70's, military-repressed Buenos Aires church congregation. I remember I thought, "Joni, you exact such sacrifices from your worshippers!" I went to evening school in those days, so I had to take the thing with me to class. Naturally, I had to show the LP to all my classmates. That night everybody had a chance to comment on the virtues and shortcomings of Joni's rear. When I got home that night, I found a package containing Hissing, a gift from a penpal from Missouri. Then I thought, "St. Joni rewards her devotees with this kind of surprises too." WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:52:44 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room Catgirl wrote: > Helen - not offended in the least, just wanting to make my p >> >Whimping out? Why I never!!! LOL! For me, some albums, there was just no >song that I favor least. I love them all. But to chose a favorite was >easier then least fav. >Catgirl Aha! You've just contradicted yourself there, by saying you were able to pick a most favourite! So by definition, you like at least one song more than another, therefore, you should be able to pick a least favourite, or 10 out of 11 least favourites! Helen - I'll make my point if it takes me another 20 posts! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:03:21 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD In a message dated 4/14/1999 7:58:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << I agree with Kakki. The HDCD was the winner last year but the gold one has a naturalness to the way sounds decay to black. Even when she overloads her microphone it is not as awful as in previous versions. Recommended for audiophiles! >> All this talk about Blue on gold has forced me to send for it. So I will be spending time listening to Blue yet again! I ordered it Tues. Hopefully it will be in by Friday. Yet another great album! Catgirl...NP: Bootleg Joni 2nd fret-Born to take the highway ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:30:38 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: BLUE on gold CD I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It doesn't sound a bit better than my old CD copy. So I conducted a little experiment. I played my gold Tapestry and my gold Song for you against the old versions. I programmed the gold versions and the regular versions track by track, so that I could compare the CD's bit by bit [I know, I should get a life]. In both cases, the regular versions sounded at least as good as the gold versions. I was bewildered until I discovered that my regular versions are German and not American. So maybe European pressing or mastering or whatever it is they do to CD's is so good in Europe that gold versions constitute no improvement. Don't you find the sound on American CD's not so highly defined as in European or Japanese releases? I wonder what Jussi and the other Eurojmdlers think about this. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:45:15 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell Kakki ordered it through something called CDNow, which is apparently accessible through your computer. In NYC, Tower, Virgin & HMV all have it, so I would think they'd have it elsewhere in the country too. I hope you find it soon! DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:01:59 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Motel Room In a message dated 4/14/1999 9:54:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Aha! You've just contradicted yourself there, by saying you were able to pick a most favourite! So by definition, you like at least one song more than another, therefore, you should be able to pick a least favourite, or 10 out of 11 least favourites! Helen - I'll make my point if it takes me another 20 posts! >> Alright you almost got me. I might just happen to only have one favorite and the rest are tied so there!!! You certainly got me laughing though!!! Catgirl NP:Circle Game-Buffy St. Marie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:12:13 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: for the roses In a message dated 4/14/1999 9:55:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << "I'm feeling so good, I spring from the boulders like a mama lion." I can still remember when I actually felt that way after a long bout of depression when I was 16, about the time I first heard >> I love that line. "I'm feeling so good and my friends all tell me that I'm looking fine. I run in the woods and spring from the boulders like a mama lion. " What a proclamation! It always makes me want to run off into the woods looking for boulders to spring from! I'm glad Joni was able to help you through hard times. I know she helped me too. I love the one line from Hejira.... *I wish that he was here tonight. It's so hard to obey His sad request of me to kindly stay away* Been there done that...... Love takes so much courage, love takes so much shit! Well said Sweet joni from Saskatoon. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:14:16 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: for the roses In a message dated 4/14/1999 9:55:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << couldn't wait so I ripped the plastic wrapping off and opened the the thing wide for everybody to see. And there it was: Joni's butt in front of the whole middle-class, mid-70's, military-repressed Buenos Aires church congregation. I remember I thought, "Joni, you exact such sacrifices from your worshippers!" I went to evening school in those days, so I had to take the thing with me to class. Naturally, I had to show the LP to all my classmates. That night everybody had a chance to comment on the virtues and shortcomings of Joni's rear. When I got home that night, I found a package containing Hissing, a gift from a penpal from Missouri. Then I thought, "St. Joni rewards her devotees with this kind of surprises too." WallyK >> Great Story Wally! I will forever remember that one. Thanks for sharing your early Joni days! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:20:16 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD In a message dated 4/14/1999 10:33:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It doesn't sound a bit better than my old CD copy. So I conducted a little experiment. I played my gold Tapestry and my gold Song for you against the old versions. I programmed the gold versions and the regular versions track by track, so that I could compare the CD's bit by bit [I know, I should get a life]. In both cases, the regular versions sounded at least as good as the gold versions. I was bewildered until I discovered that my regular versions are German and not American. So maybe European pressing or mastering or whatever it is they do to CD's is so good in Europe that gold versions constitute no improvement. Don't you find the sound on American CD's not so highly defined as in European or Japanese releases? I wonder what Jussi and the other Eurojmdlers think about this. WallyK >> Interesting!! I got CAS on gold a few years ago and I, for the life of me could not tell the difference. All this talk about Holiness now, opps lost in Joni...Blue on gold got me wanting it. I hope I am not disappointed too! I also picked up the limited edition of NRH. I had seen it at Circuit City but did not buy it. Well I bought it now. Catgirl...fingers crossed! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Blue Makes Grammy Hall of Fame Julius wrote: > The Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" > and Joni Mitchell's "Blue" album--were inducted Monday into > the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences' Hall of Fame. > and Janet wrote back: > Thus answering the age-old question: What do Joni Mitchell's "Blue" and the > Kingsmen's "Louie Louie" have in common? As if I needed another trigger to think of Joni and all of you jmdlers - during a toga party in 'Animal House', one of the funniest movies ever made. Brian, who's been on the road lately, this last time in the Black Hills of SD np: A&E Biography === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:32:15 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: BLUE on gold CD Wally Kairuz wrote: > I received my Gold Blue yesterday and I was soooo disappointed. It doesn't > sound a bit better than my old CD copy. > I was bewildered until I discovered that my regular versions are > German and not American. So maybe European pressing or mastering or whatever > it is they do to CD's is so good in Europe that gold versions constitute no > improvement. Don't you find the sound on American CD's not so highly defined > as in European or Japanese releases? I wonder what Jussi and the other > Eurojmdlers think about this. > WallyK Interesting question, and I do not have enough of a mix of US vs European CD's to answer. In terms of vinyl, however, US versions have historically been inferior. Japanese and German pressings seemed to be the best, by far. That is, unless the release was done with care (usually small labels). One would think that digital media would have leveled some of the differences. I guess a big part of remastering is having access to the first gen. master and not some kind of later gen production copy. I have read some interesting things lately about the great variations in quality of various CD manufacturers. Some of them are just into speeding it through and cutting corners, and you can hear the difference. And it all begs the question: why didn't they do a better job mastering these albums in the first place. Buying a new improved version every two years sucks. RR ps more bands that charged lots for tickets Eagles (until hell freezes over or until we can get $100/seat) Fleetwood Mac (my accountant says I'm down to my last $10mil) $tones I used to see 4 bands at Winterland for $6.50 God I'm starting to sound like a geezer! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:37:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Plug of the Month Someone at Los Angeles magazine truly loves Joni. As I've mentioned here before, it seems they find a way to mention her every month. They occasionally have "The Arbiter" column where some local character weighs in with "What's Over" and "What's Now". On the back page (p. 200) of the May issue, we have Michele Lamy, proprietress of Joni's latest purported hang-out, Les Deux Cafe, telling us what is "out", including patio furniture indoors, high heels, salsa, R.E.M., cell phones and coffeehouses; and what is "in", including caviar, Palm Springs, American Spirit cigarettes, Arabic music, long hair and JONI MITCHELL. Oh I know it's all such a trifle but I just love that they find every way they can to mention her each month ;-) Kakki NP: Laura Nyro - Time and Love (the best therapy song ever written) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:02:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Cheap concerts and scalpers (SJC) Some concerts I attended and prices in the good old days - $3.00 price range: James Taylor; The Eagles; Loggins and Messina; early Fleetwood Mac; Dave Mason; Savoy Brown; Poco; Jethro Tull, Herbie Hancock, Santana $6.00 price range: Peter, Paul & Mary, Arlo Guthrie, Cat Stevens, Moody Blues, Spirit, Buffalo Springfield, Joe Cocker, Richie Havens Around $7.50 price range (?) (Mr. Dulson help me out here) Joni - Miles of Aisles concert Getting the better of the scalpers (buy at showtime) ;-) $40.00 for $86.00 tix for Joni-Van-Bob at the Pond $25.00 for $45.00 tix for CPR at the Wiltern Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #8 **************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?