From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #3 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 10 1999 Volume 01 : Number 003 Join the Joni Mitchell Internet Community Glossary project. Send a blank message to for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- [oJMDL]: A private auction [Wally Breese ] [oJMDL]: A split JMDL? [Les Irvin ] [oJMDL]: Re: Hello there! [Bounced Message ] [oJMDL]: Re: Jungle Line [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Pronunciation of Hejira ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Who was Don Juan ? New Age ? ["Deb Messling" ] Re: FTR - "Electricity" [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Hejira fave [Debra Kaufman ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #149 [Debra Kaufman ] Re: two more things [Debra Kaufman ] Re: Pronunciation of Hejira/FTR [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: The Jungle Line [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: The Jungle Line [MDESTE1@aol.com] Distortion on Tiger Bones [Mark Domyancich ] rock and roll hall of fame idiots (JC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] the youngest male Joni fan ["Carver, Dax" ] RE: the youngest male Joni fan ["Don Rowe" ] For The Roses/Hejira [michael paz ] Re: FTR - "Electricity" - Hejira ["Kakki" ] Both Sides Now [Bounced Message ] Re: Both Sides Now [Les Irvin ] Re: hej vs.ftr [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Joni at Woodstock '99 (?) [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: FTR - "Electricity" - Hejira ["Travis Moser" ] Re: FTR - "Electricity" [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: FTR - "Electricity" [Randy Remote ] Joni's lyrics and music [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: FTR - "Electricity" [CaTGirl627@aol.com] NP??? ["Mia Ristan" ] SJC: David Lahm's Joni [Kate Tarasenko ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Apr 99 00:13:57 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: [oJMDL]: A private auction Hi everyone, Here's something special- I've been asked by Robbie Cavolina, Joni's friend and art director, to help in the sale of an original canvas given to him by Joni. The painting is a 8 X 10 still-life that Joni created in 1994 using oils on canvas. This is a fortuitous and unique opportunity for any collector of Joni-related memorabilia because a Joni Mitchell original has rarely (if ever) been offered for sale before. Serious bidders only, please e-mail for more information (wallyb@pacbell.net). Thanks. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 01:33:43 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: [oJMDL]: A split JMDL? At 4/9/99 01:01 AM , Eric Taylor wrote: >PLEASE DON'T CAVE IN TO THE SQUEAMISH "POLITICALLY CORRECT" CROWD, LES!!!!! >INSTEAD OF SPLITING THE LIST MAY I RECOMMEND THAT EVERYONE WHO COMPLAINS >ABOUT NJC SWITCH TO DIGEST. Eric and all - On the contrary - it isn't two lists at all. It's still the same one and only unmoderated, uncensored JMDL. I've simply added an option that automatically weeds out the NJC for those who'd prefer not to get it. Everyone else will notice absolutely no difference - except hopefully that we are all a bit more mindful of our subject lines. Thanks for your comments, Les NP: a borrowed copy of "Stormy Weather" - thanks Mark... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 01:22:38 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: [oJMDL]: Re: Hello there! From: "raymond" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:21:12 -0700 Thank you for your voices, Winfried and Volker! In a post dated Thursday, April 08, Volker writes: >Just having received the TTT album I find it enthralling from the beginning, since the first listening. >Especially "My Best To You" hit my emotions. Maybe there's some tendency to "kitsch" even in the musical arrangement, but Joni's very personal manner makes it a pearl. Hearing the song I feel it as a kind of saying "goodbye". I think I understand what you felt, Volker. After really "settling in" to the album, I felt a sense of completion...like with TTT she had finally come full circle with the big issues of her life...finding her daughter, flipping off the music biz, her desire to paint gaining momentum..I don't even want to think about never hearing any more new Joni tunes, but this is a sad reality all us Joniphiles will have to face one day. Compared to the music biz, one can only imagine the sweet, peaceful path of painting the vignettes of her life, rather than put them to music. Whatever you do, Joni, just keep creating.......OK??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:33:49 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: [oJMDL]: Re: Jungle Line I loved Tube's entire post on this song. When I first heard the Jungle Line I thought it was so ~scary~ and dark that I couldn't and didn't listen to it for years and years. In fact, I only listened to it again in this last year, and now it still seems dark and a little scary, but also interesting and rather clever. I think it's that little buzzing four-note repetitive phrase between the drum beats that gives the song its creepy feeling and not the drums themselves. I actually like this song now, although it's not a song I would choose to play over and over. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 04:15:17 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Pronunciation of Hejira I wrote: >Okay. I am an Hejira lover and just want to scream: "Get a hearing >aid!" when people call it "bland." The word that comes to my mind is >"hypnotic." I think that anyone who doesn't absolutely ADORE this album >has never really been high or else never listened to it on a good stereo. Kakki naturally responded: < Subject: Re: Who was Don Juan ? New Age ? I think Joni was deliberately invoking *both* Don Juans in the song DJRD. The reckless lover and the spirit seeker. When Joni sings, "oh say can you see?" (isn't "see" in italics on the liner notes?) she is alluding to a concept of "seeing" truth put forth in the Castaneda books. Or so I'm told -- I haven't read them. Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:25:08 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: FTR - "Electricity" Russ writes <<2. I need some education concerning FTR. I love many of the songs and have listened to this one for years........but there's something about it that I JUST DON"T GET!!!! The overall concept (if there is one) escapes me totally. Electricity is perhaps my fave song, But I JUST DON'T GET IT!! Help!!>> Don't feel stupid Russ! I've always felt the same about "Electricity". It has always been one of my favorite songs, and I've never understood the overall concept of the song. If someone could enlighten us, please do!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:07:57 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: Hejira fave Mark in Seattle wrote: > I've always been one of the few on this >list that doesn't cite Hejira as the crowning acheivement of Joni's >career. Compared to say, Turbulent Indigo, I find it a little on the >bland side. Moi, aussi. Come on, what about Blue? I remember reading in an interview that Joni said she'd have to leave the studio after recording some of these songs and go cry because she was so emotionally vulnerable and the music was evoking such sadness. I think that emotion is in these songs. And there are such fun ones here too, like "All I Want" and "Cary." 2 cents' worth, Debra K ****************************************************************** "Love is a circle that doth restless move In the same sweet eternity of love." Robert Herrick ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:15:20 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #149 Kakki wrote: >Is it just me, or does Joni >seem to be becoming even more forthcoming than usual lately? Although she >addresses old ground in several areas (record biz blues, artistic >intergrity, etc.) she really seems to be laying it all out more passionately >than ever. I get the feeling she is really intent on being better >understood. You're right, Kakki. JM used to be very reclusive regarding the media. An interview with her was so rare that it was like getting an exotic dessert you wanted to savor and yet gobble up. I'm just now finding out things I've wondered about for 20 years or more! It's probably a combination of her being less sensitive to criticism and misinterpretation and because of her age wanting to get the record straight as far as her interpretation of her music. DK ****************************************************************** "Love is a circle that doth restless move In the same sweet eternity of love." Robert Herrick ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:28:40 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: two more things Sorry to keep chiming in in these little bits, but I"ve been on a jmdl sabbatical far too long and have just read the last several posts. It's so fun to read all of your stuff. New names and some old names since last time I weighed in. Kakki, I loved your taking the time to delve into For the Roses. I had many many of those same feelings about that album and that time period. My friend and I had been a little dismayed at how little a feminist Joni was (and at that time we were discovering "it" big time), then she came out with "Woman of Heart and Mind." That is such a healing record, I was glad to see it written about again and in such loving detail. And Bob! The "Roses" & "Hejira" Should Be Friends" was a hoot! Encore! DK ****************************************************************** "Love is a circle that doth restless move In the same sweet eternity of love." Robert Herrick ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:34:29 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Pronunciation of Hejira/FTR In a message dated 4/9/99 2:25:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ewwtaylor@adelphia.net writes: << Okay. I am an Hejira lover and just want to scream: "Get a hearing aid!" when people call it "bland." The word that comes to my mind is "hypnotic." I think that anyone who doesn't absolutely ADORE this album has never really been high or else never listened to it on a good stereo. >> I, too, am a Hejira lover and though I find it an incredibly intense album, can understand how others might see it as being bland. The intensity, to me, is in it's subtlety. The painter Mark Rothko elicits the same response for me- his work is very subtle, but it hits me between the eyes. What I don't get is your statement that one must have had the experience of "really been high" to appreciate it. In my case, I've had intense clarity from meditation that's allowed me to appreciate such beauty. Chemicals, etc. never did it for me. And Kakki- FTR was my all time favorite album too, until I discovered Hejira just a few years ago. Now they both sit on my mantel, equally. FTR changed my life like no other. I was thinking the other day of how damn original Joni's work is. How many songs have you heard on the radio that has echoes of other's work? But listening to a song like, say, hmmmm...like just about ANY of Joni's pieces, and I honestly can't say I've ever heard anything like it before. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:38:07 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: The Jungle Line Hi again, I've been following the discussion on TJL and appreciate everyone's interpretation, but for me, the drums are just too damn annoying. Fine, flame me, hiss at me. But there ya have it. If a song doesn't sit well even after hearing it a zillion times, then I'm gonna say...hey, it just doesn't work for me, regardless of the artist's intentions. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:03:49 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The Jungle Line Im in Terry's camp on this particular song. Personally I think that Jungle Line is maybe the worst song Joni ever produced and I could go on for a long time but I will mention just one point which is important and that is pretty basic. The drums which comprise most of the "song" are one of those recordings of a group-rhythm ensemble. Like the musicians Paul Simon used on Graceland. The ensemble is doing its thing, cranking out a staccatto rhythm which if played by itself has the continuity of sound. Unfortunately when you try to take something truly precise (the rest of Jonis production and vocals) and overlay it upon a rhythm ensemble like this then the Rhythm Ensemble sounds off timing wise. What happens on Jungle line is much the same as if one used the background noise of the earth movers at a construction site for your rhythm section. It will work to a degree but not totally. I liked Graceland for its creativity and originality but if I want a band ill go to Muscle Shoals, NRBQ, or The band because the "band" on Graceland cant carry a precise beat. Jungle Line is the same and thats why it stands out to me. Also its the second song on the album. The first song is classic Joni and then this. Now I too have found the song "daring" , "ground breaking" and (like Sun Ra) avant garde and all that and if one listens to the song and it conjures up Rousseau making love to Jung while reciting Alice in Wonderland backwards in pig-latin I can get down with the fact that its tre-cool for them BUT for me the song sucks, goes on far too long and is almost totally responsible for HOSL getting panned hugely at the time of its release which sent Joni into the recycle bin at most critics homes. Like Heavens Gate did for the director who made it. Of course real tallent prevails and Joni has obviously gone on to bigger and better things musically BUT that song was too big a departure to be taken in one gulp by the critics of the industry which like it or not was not what Joni wanted or intended. She took a risk but it didnt totally work. Let the lames begin I have my asbestos suit on with this one. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:08:10 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Distortion on Tiger Bones Hey gang- I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but yesterday I noticed there is a bit of distortion on Tiger Bones, especially the first note. Is it just my headphones or what? Anybody else notice this? Best, Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark "This conformity factory is now closed!" -Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 19:16:25 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: rock and roll hall of fame idiots (JC) I know there have been a couple of comments on the rock and roll hall of fame here and by Joni herself so this might be old stuff... sorry if this is wasted bandwidth. Anyway, someone sent me the link to this "500 Songs That Shaped Rock and Roll" website , - - http://www.rockhall.com/exhibits/songs.html - which lists one song by our QUOMB: "Help Me"!!! I'm not a musician of course, but why on earth did they pick that song??? Winfried, who, if it had to be from her "early period" at all, would have picked "All I Want", "Woman Of Heart And Mind"; even "Woodstock" would have made more sense. (?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:52:23 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: FTR - "Electricity" - -----Original Message----- From: FMYFL@aol.com >Electricity is perhaps my fave song, But I JUST DON'T GET IT!! >Help!!>> > There have been a few songs which use electrical theory as a metaphor for human relationships. Suede's new single also called Electricity has lots of whining about AC and DC (Alternating Current and Direct Current). The thing about Joni's Electricity is that it displays a surprisingly good grasp of technical theory for a girl (I'm joking OK !). The basic idea is that, like an electrical circuit a human relationship needs to be kept in balance with the right amount of resistance so that the electrons flow around smoothly. If you overload the circuit, things get too hot, a fuse blows and you get breakdown. My favourite line is "we floodlit that time". Floodlights require a huge amount of electricity, so it must have been a fairly hot relationship until the "sparks started flying". Another great idea in the song is that you can fix things up with masking tape, but the trouble with masking tape is that it is "sticky and black" , a messy job that won't last. Philip NP Geggy Tah - Sweat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:50:42 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Distortion on Tiger Bones i think they have mentioned this before yes. I don't known myself as I don't listen to that album enough... rg NP: UP, (REM) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:20:28 +0100 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: hej vs.ftr Hi y'all sorry i missed the hejira (i mispronounce it Hedge - Ira - as in Gerschwin, but this is better than my BF who mispronounces it Hare - Eye - ja (don't even ask!)) vs FTR debate. I always thought FTR overrated, the lyrics trying too hard to be literary, whereas in Hedge-Ira Joni hits every nail on the head without even trying. But now I'm starting to relax a bit more. I mean, I was on a personal crusade for years ('you like Blue, try Hedge-Ira, it's mindblowing"). I was Hedge's personal drugdealer (snow gathers on bolts of lace) etc... But people never really got into it and I kinda felt I was fighting a losing one. But now I've realized that (except kakki and a few other "infidels"!) every true JM fan LURVES Hedge, I'm starting to chill out. Heck, I've just come back from visiting my sis in the swiss alps (sorry to HAVE TO mention this fab fact of my life), and I even found myself singing Woman of Heart and Mind as I climbed up an alp (climbed-ish...) So yes, peace between the FTRs and the Hedges! PX (though I agree with someone who posted a while ago that the cover of FTR is JM's dreariest. And Cold Blue Steel is hippy nonsense and... ooer, old habits... Anyway, peace!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:56:28 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: the youngest male Joni fan Hi everyone, I could be wrong, but I think I'm probably the youngest male Joni fan around. I'm 24, just out of college and Joni is by far my favorite artist. My friends, most who've only heard of her through me, are slowly coming around but they don't seem to appreciate lyrics that mean so much. When it comes to favorites, I don't know, I have named them all at times. The problem with naming a favorite Joni album is that her music alters so much from album to album. Clouds, Blue, For The Roses, Court and Spark, In France They Kiss On Main Street, Hejira (possibly my favorite because of Song For Sharon) and Night Ride Home probably get played the most at my house, but the rest surely aren't left out in the cold. I don't think there is a single artist out there that couldn't learn a thing or two from Joni. Regards Dax Carver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:12:09 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: the youngest male Joni fan Hello Dax. Sorry to have to welcome you to the jmdl by bursting your bubble, but we've got a couple of 17-year-old male Joni fans around here ... nonetheless, I hope you enjoy the fray. Few things that we need to clear up right away: 1. Are you a "Hejira" guy? Or a "For The Roses" guy? These are by far and away the two top picks of listmembers, and the source of spirited debate, so inquiring minds want to know! :-) 2. Were the '80s a "high" or "low" point in Joni's work? Another contentious point -- we must know where you stand! Honestly, I'm not interrogating you -- just warming you up for what's in store! Again weclome! Don Rowe (a 'Hejira' guy who thinks the '80s were a high point) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:27:31 PDT From: "Don Rowe" Subject: RE: the youngest male Joni fan Dax writes... >1. I don't know that I could choose between the two albums. There is some >very powerful writing on both. I would say Hejira gets listened to more, >but that hasn't always been the case. Do I have to take sides? > I see we have a diplomat in our midst! ;-) Very well done. Despite our banter and my own preference for 'Hejira' -- I love and have had a long and meaningful relationship with 'FTR', which is where I got on the Joni bandwagon many moons ago. >2. I don't think Joni's ever had a low point. If you really listen to what >she has to say, there's always a strong message. > Again, tres diplomatique -- and I agree again. Not that there aren't peaks and vallleys in Joni's work, as there are for all artists. But if musical/lyrical quality were a consistency contest, I'd say our Joni would beat just about anybody hands down. Your e-mail address would indicate that you're in the Atlanta area. Did you happen to catch the recent tour? Don Rowe _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:45:37 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: For The Roses/Hejira Bob wrote: " The "Roses" & "Hejira" Should Be Friends (sung to the tune of "The Farmer & the Cowman should be friends" from 'Oklahoma'" HEY BOB- I am on the fence with this issue altho I lean towards FTR more of the time even though I can actually play and sing more songs from Hejira. (Whatever that means) I love your lyric even tho I don't know that tune from Oklahoma. Great job! Michael (off to rent Oklahoma for the weekend) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:58:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: FTR - "Electricity" - Hejira Philip wrote: >The thing about Joni's Electricity is that it displays a surprisingly good grasp of technical theory for a >girl (I'm joking OK !). You don't have to joke - I thought the same thing the first time I heard it! I think your explanation of the song was right on and perfectly put into words what I've always found hard to describe about it (having a built-in block to all things mathematical, technical and scientific). I've been having a few offlist discussions regarding FTR and Hejira. There is some general agreement that sometimes what one picks as their fave often depends on which "stage" of Joni one started with. Since I started out at her "innocent stage" and moved sequentially through the journey, I think I was more affected by her changes and "growing up". Part of me got upset by those (personal, not musical) changes, in the way that a mother sometimes feels a pang when their child grows up and loses some of the innocence. Also, I don't consider Hejira vs. FTR a "debate" - just expressions of one's personal fave. There's a difference between "favorite" and "best". I personally could never begin to determine which one is the "best" -it's just all way too subjective to me! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:23:26 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Both Sides Now Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 01:26:20 +0000 From: michael paz Dear Les- When I first joined the jmdl I was interested in Joni Only stuff especially regarding trades, new releases, TV stuff, etc. I was pretty vocal against all the extra stuff, but then I grew up and I now enjoy alot of the other threads that go on here. I applaud the work that you have done here and appreciate the fact you have gone thru the trouble to do this. If one wants to receive both lists, do we just su.bscribe to the new list and we will automatically receive both jc and njc?? Thanks very much again for your hard work and dedication to this list. Best wishes, Michael Paz PS I did not mark this njc cause I figure it is an issue everyone would benefit from knowing the correct answer to. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:38:24 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Both Sides Now At 03:48 PM 4/9/99, Michael wrote: >If one wants to receive both lists, do we just su.bscribe to the >new list and we will automatically receive both jc and njc?? Thanks very >much again for your hard work and dedication to this list. And thanks for your kind words, Michael. One could technically su.bscribe to all four versions of the list if they wanted to, but one is all you really need. The JONI and JONI-DIGEST lists receive each and every post, regardless of content. The onlyJONI and onlyJONI-DIGEST lists receive only the posts that are not tagged with NJC in the subject line. Take care, Les NP: Beth Orton "Central Reservation" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:03:39 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Re: hej vs.ftr In a message dated 4/9/99 3:22:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paul@tyrer23.freeserve.co.uk writes: << (though I agree with someone who posted a while ago that the cover of FTR is JM's dreariest. >> Dreariest cover??? It may not be as artsy as some of the others, but at the time it came out I thought the inside cover was mindblowing. Joni standing naked on a rock in the ocean at Big Sur. Wow! I sure wouldn't call it dreary. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:11:30 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni at Woodstock '99 (?) I found this today in Tower Records "Pulse" Magazine (April issue). Forgive me if someone else already posted this...........I'm on digest mode and don't always read every post. On page 76 of the PULSE is an ad to enter to win tickets for Woodstock '99. It's also advertising music from the motion picture, "A Walk On The Moon", opening in April and produced by Dustin Hoffman. The first name listed on the sound track list is Joni!! Here's the list: Joni Mitchell Big Brother & The Holding Company Jefferson Airplane Morcheeba Grateful Dead The Youngbloods Mandy Barnett Dusty Springfield The Damnations TX Taxi Mojave 3 Judy Collins It's A Beautiful Day Richie Havens Elijah Blue Allman & Cher This is what the ad says about the movie: "It was the summer of '69. The summer when man first walked on the moon and, of course, the summer of the orginal Woodstock music festival. Join Sire Records in celebration of the 30th anniversary of Woodstock with this soundtrack of timeless classics -- including a new recording of the #1 hit 'Crystal Blue Persuasion' performed by Morcheeba. CD on sale now" *************************************************** Is Joni scheduled to perform at Woodstock '99? *************************************************** Here's the info. to win 2 tickets for each day of Woodstock (July 23, 24, 25, 1999). Approx. value of prize is $600. Only one entry per person. Sweepstakes is open to all persons 18 and over who are legal residents of the United States, excluding Puerto Rico. To enter, send in mail-in coupon * or* mail a 3x5 card with your complete name, address, age, zip code and daytime phone to: "A WALK ON THE MOON CONTEST" c/o PULSE! P.O. Box 2400 West Sacramento, CA 95691-7400 All entries must be received by April 30,1999. Do not send any other mail with entry! Winners will be notified on or about May 3, 1999. FYI: if you enter the sweeps and win you may have to sign an affidavit, which means you will need to pay taxes on the $600. Some more discount coupons: you can get $10 off purchase of $15 or a free vhs A BUGS LIFE at Big star. http://www.bigstar.com/search/detail.ff?pid=1084407&aff=15717 http://www.bigstar.com/coupon/index.ff?code=mailcom10&aff=15717 Do a PERSON SEARCH on "Joni Mitchell" and you will come up with all movies with Joni, or movies that have her music in them. 10 OFF $25 ORDER - Use Coupon Code: BESTPICTURE - Expires 4/30/99 http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-reel.exe?COBRAND=1IGJ&OBJECT=welcome.html Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:35:09 -0700 From: "Travis Moser" Subject: Re: FTR - "Electricity" - Hejira > I've been having a few offlist discussions regarding FTR and Hejira. There > is some general agreement that sometimes what one picks as their fave often > depends on which "stage" of Joni one started with. Since I started out at > her "innocent stage" and moved sequentially through the journey, I think I > was more affected by her changes and "growing up". Part of me got upset by > those (personal, not musical) changes, in the way that a mother sometimes > feels a pang when their child grows up and loses some of the innocence. > > Also, I don't consider Hejira vs. FTR a "debate" - just expressions of one's > personal fave. There's a difference between "favorite" and "best". I > personally could never begin to determine which one is the "best" -it's just > all way too subjective to me! Kakki, you hit the nail right on the head as far as I'm concerned. For years 'Court and Spark' was my favorite because it was the first one I bought and it really struck a deep chord in me. I think it was the first record that showed me what 'pop' music could be. Joni turned my head around with that record. She eventually sent me scurrying off in all sorts of different musical and artistic directions. I'm not sure I would have ever been interested enough in jazz if it hadn't been for Joni's dabbling in it and maybe I wouldn't have opened myself up to Billie Holiday or Laura Nyro or many others if I hadn't found Joni first. Not to mention the paintings of Georgia O'Keeffe and Vincent Van Gogh (well I probably would have gotten to those eventually). If I had to name a favorite or what I think is Joni's best right now I don't think I could do it. I just think that saying 'Blue' or 'For the Roses' or 'Hejira' are Joni's best is too dismissive of her recent work. Her last three records stand right up there with the aforementioned albums, imo. And with all this discussion of HOSL lately it reminds me just how brilliant *that* record is. I can understand why 'Hejira' is Joni's favorite. It is her most personal and cerebral work to date ('Blue' is as personal as 'Hejira' but on a more visceral level). And the four songs she continues to perform - 'Amelia', 'Hejira', 'Black Crow' and 'Song for Sharon' - are the most intense and thorough self examinations on the record. I guess I prefer the records that are more of a balance between the cerebral and the visceral. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:26:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hejira pronunciation Every pronunciation dictionary I've looked the word up in [check that out for forbidden final prepositions!] gives two "legitimate" ways to pronounce hejira [or hegira, as it is sometimes spelled]: either hedge-EYE-ruh or HEDGE-uh-ruh. Joni's rendition is quite sui generis apparently. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:32:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: FTR - "Electricity" Philip, Thanks for such a wonderful explanation for what "Electricity" is about. Everything you said made sense, and well thought out. I love the song even more now. :) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:49:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: FTR - "Electricity" FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Russ writes > > <<2. I need some education concerning FTR. I love many of the songs and > have > listened to this one for years........but there's something about it that I > JUST > DON"T GET!!!! The overall concept (if there is one) escapes me totally. > Electricity is perhaps my fave song, But I JUST DON'T GET IT!! > Help!!>> > > Don't feel stupid Russ! I've always felt the same about "Electricity". It has > always been one of my favorite songs, and I've never understood the overall > concept of the song. If someone could enlighten us, please do!! > > Jimmy I can't add much to Philip's lucid take on Electricity, except that for awhile I thought Joni had the poles backwards: "The minus is loveless, he talks to the wind...... ....she don't know the system, Plus, she don't understand..." Since, traditionally (the yin/yang in the east, and western sexual roles as well), the male is associated with the active element, and the female with the passive, it seemed backwards. Turns out that, in DC electric theory, as in a battery, the negative pole is the one that emits electrons, and the positive pole "wants" or recieves them. So she really did have it right, at least according the technical conventions! I still think maybe they named them backwards. And I wonder if she had that knowledge when she wrote the song, or chose it that way intuitively or for some other reason. This is one of my all time favorite Joni songs, remarkable, so beautiful. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:56:50 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Joni's lyrics and music In a message dated 4/9/1999 4:29:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe@hotmail.com writes: << Not that there aren't peaks and vallleys in Joni's work, as there are for all artists. But if musical/lyrical quality were a consistency contest, I'd say our Joni would beat just about anybody hands down. >> I agree with you completely. I think that was the thing that really mesmerized me about Joni. When I would play her music, every song on the album is great. So many other artists have maybe 2 or 3 good songs on one side. Her work has stayed consitently strong. She is extreamly talented. I can see why there is a list such as this created. SHE is one musician worth noticing. She is right up there with Frank Zappa, Paul McCartney, and Paul Simon. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:23:09 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: FTR - "Electricity" In a message dated 4/9/1999 2:57:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philipf@tinet.ie writes: << >Electricity is perhaps my fave song, But I JUST DON'T GET IT!! >Help!!>> > There have been a few songs which use electrical theory as a metaphor for human relationships. Suede's new single also called Electricity has lots of whining about AC and DC (Alternating Current and Direct Current). The thing about Joni's Electricity is that it displays a surprisingly good grasp of technical theory for a girl (I'm joking OK !). >> Hi , I love electricity too. I had an old flame who was an electrician and our relationship was EXACTLY like that. I thought the song was clever and very true of some relationships. The words are very creative and the guitar work is amazing! BRAVO Joni! Cat...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:34:57 PDT From: "Mia Ristan" Subject: NP??? Okay, just one thing...what does NP mean?!?!? It's everywhere but I have no clue! I missed something along the way here? Thanx :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:45:05 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: SJC: David Lahm's Joni When I'm driving, I regularly listen to KUVO, a public radio station that plays only heavenly jazz (which is a delightful alternative to the 20-in-a-rotation "new music" stations) -- unfortunately, I had just missed them playing a selection from David Lahm's Joni-variations CD. Just wanted to let you know that it's getting radio play in my neck of the woods -- can't wait to hear it! And this may be old news, but I heard about a "radio" station that airs strictly online, called Gogaga.com or something like that. I think they will play any (and all?) CDs mailed to them. Anyone ever tune in to it? Kate in CO ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #3 **************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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