From: owner-octoroon-digest@smoe.org (octoroon-digest) To: octoroon-digest@smoe.org Subject: octoroon-digest V2 #16 Reply-To: octoroon@smoe.org Sender: owner-octoroon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-octoroon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk octoroon-digest Saturday, January 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 016 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [octoroon] FWD: My little intro :-) [Deb ] [octoroon] FWD: dubbing [Deb ] Re: [octoroon] CD pirating [Deb ] [octoroon] dubbing [Birdgrdnr@aol.com] [octoroon] Can we stop the Dubbing/Pirating Thread? [Anestis Kozakis Subject: [octoroon] FWD: My little intro :-) [Forwarded for Sarah because she sent from an alternate address.] >From: sarah.austin@excite.com >To: octoroon@smoe.org >Subject: My little intro :-) >Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:33:59 PST > >Hi, > >Okay, so I was mentioned on the list and I haven't introduced myself yet! I >started listening to Laura after I saw her on Sessions. I was utterly >amazed and I went out and bought Octoroon -- after I figured out how to >spell it, it seems some people still have that problem. > >After I bought Octoroon, and fell in love with it, I searched the internet >to find more information about Laura. To my surprise I couldn't find much >at all so I decided to make a page. Here's where my shameless plug comes in >:-) I have a little Laura page, so if anyone would like to visit it and >give me some feedback that would be swell. The address is . . . > >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/2625/laura.html > >Thanks for hearing me out :-) > >~Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:51:13 -0500 From: Deb Subject: [octoroon] FWD: dubbing [Forwarded for Jeff because he sent an HTML message... Jeff, please turn off HTML in Outlook Express to send to Octoroon -- Deb] > > From: "Jeffrey A. Shepherd" > To: > Subject: dubbing > > Dubbing has been on my mind a lot lately, as I have recently > purchased a CD burner. After a brief but feverish rush of copying, > mixing, and trading, I developed a code of ethics for dubbing: > > 1. If the artist is in need of and/or worthy of support, don't copy a CD > verbatim. If you really love the music, go out and buy it. If you feel > you must copy, leave essential songs out or cut them off; do anything to > encourage eventually going out and getting the real thing. If you want > to introduce your favorite artist to a friend, put a couple of good > songs on a tape (or CD) mixed with other artists that you like. This is > more personal than just copying the CD, and it's a great way to spread > the word. > > 2. If a CD is out of print and completely unavailable, I feel that it's > okay. Nobody's losing money, so what's the harm? Just don't sell it > (duh). > > 3. If the artist's ethics are questionable, then it's okay. Example: I > have always liked Morcheeba (what can I say, I have eclectic tastes), > and for a long time, I bought everything that they released. After a > while, however, they started bundling new material with prereleased > stuff and selling several maxi singles that varied by only one or two > songs. To make matters worse, they are from the UK, so I was paying > import prices. This became cost prohibitive very quickly. So now > whenever Morcheeba releases a new single or bundled package, my friends > and I pool our money and buy one copy, which I copy for everyone. It's > illegal, but it doesn't keep me up at night. I'm just beating them at > their own game. BTW, when they release something that contains nothing > but new material, I'll be the first in line to buy it-- for myself and > myself only. > > 4. I guess there is no 4. > > I just wanted to throw in my two cents. I feel that the keyboard > lashing that Quentin suffered was a bit harsh. Everybody dubs once in a > while. And since it's an analog copy, it's hardly a top quality > recording. Every good dub tape that I have ever owned has been replaced > by a legitimately acquired, genuine CD. I'm sure that when Quentin gets > the extra funds, he will replace his LL tape. Nuff said. > > lovin' > Jeffy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:34:27 -0500 From: Deb Subject: Re: [octoroon] CD pirating At 09:32 PM 1/28/99 , Quentin Johnson wrote: >I gave back to Laura in two ways: > >1) an article I wrote on my campus prompted people to go buy Octoroon, >I can think of at least three people who came up to me and told me >this. > >2) I do have a connection to a venue and I got Laura a gig in Iowa. This is terrific, but last time I checked most CDs are sold, not bartered. I have a Web page which has gotten 300 hits a day for the last 5 years on which I promote various artists including Laura, I guess I should have gotten my entire CD collection for free. I've introduced hundreds (thousands?) of people to new artists, and never expected the artist to pay me for that by sacrificing a CD sale. That said, I applaud your activism, I am constantly proselytizing for worthwhile artists. My position on pirating CDs which are readily available via retail is a natural extension of that zealotry. In Laura's case, I even took it a bit further and went out of my way to buy "Shum Ticky" from a music chain rather than the online store I usually buy from, even though it cost me a few bucks more, so the purchase would be recognized by SoundScan for ratings purposes. >Also, at the concert where I interviewed Laura, she, herself, allowed >the concert to be recorded. So I have a live recording of Laura as >well. Good to know, I'll bring my MiniDisc recorder to the next show. And that reminds me... I've been meaning to ask Mary about Laura's stance on live recording and trading of live recordings on this list. >I hope all of this makes your self-righteous head roll. I'll accept that designation, but the "bitch" that came to me privately in an otherwise identical version of this message is unacceptable. I haven't unsubscribed you, but if you are unhappy with my administration of this list, please unsubscribe yourself. Further harassment will not be tolerated. As far as I can tell we're all adults here capable of intelligent debate without resorting to name-calling. Finally, I asked last night that we not debate this subject here... let's let Mary have the last word on this issue, please. - -- Deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:33:59 EST From: Birdgrdnr@aol.com Subject: [octoroon] dubbing Yes, it is illegal and no I do not support it. But...over the years people have turned me on to new music by making me a copy. Those that I really liked I would go out and purchase the rest of the collection. Those that I didn't like I'm glad I didn't waist $15.00 for their CD. An artist may miss out on one CD (chalk it up to advertising) but hook a fan that will purchase many other CD's. Besides the pirated cassette will eventually be eaten by my tape deck and I'll be replacing that CD soon. Because of making tapes for people I have turned on at least 50 new people to her. And those 50 will eventually turn on many more. Some of those 50 have acquired their own copies of LL stuff. Some of those 50 people came to see her at Merle Fest and jammed the area which brought in other people who were curious as to who commanded such a huge crowd. If the talent is good the money will be rolling in soon for LL and an illegal copy or two won't be noticed. Besides I have heard LL say on stage "plagiarize, plagiarize that's why God(dess) made your eyes." Yes, she allows taping of her shows. How do the powers that rule view this? I for one hope Ms Love continues to allow this. I was more put off by the use of the F word than the dubbing. Try some different adjectives next time! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:45:31 +1100 From: Anestis Kozakis Subject: [octoroon] Can we stop the Dubbing/Pirating Thread? Why? because it has no place here. No matter what people say, people have their own views, arguments go in circles, tempers flare, abusive language is used, and it gets us nowhere. I thought this list was about Laura, her work, her appearances, and any other information about Laura we happen to come across and share. If you want to continue the debate, do so in private e-mail please. I'd hate to leave the list,s ince I only just found it. Please, either take the debate off the list, or drop it, as it gets us nowhere. All flames to /dev/null. Anestis. Anestis Kozakis kenosti@ozemail.com.au 'Making it up?' said Marvin, swivelling his head in a parody of astonishment. 'Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it.' -- Marvin The Paranoid Android - TRatEotU - Douglas Adams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:23:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bobbi Fouts Subject: [octoroon] Re: Pirating... my 2 cents... I know we're all sick of this subject, but as a former programmer at a community radio station, I just feel a need to say this. I agree with Deb. Pirating is wrong. I don't care if you think Morcheeba isn't coming up with anything original - then don't buy their stuff at all. Maybe they'll get the message. As a programmer I was given several CD's. The record company or the artist saw fit to give me their CD because they knew that I would play it over the air, thus giving the artist far more exposure than I could give them in my living room. They would not have given it to me if I did not have a radio show. Duh. With the listening stations in record stores now and real audio on the net, there is no excuse for saying you don't want to buy something then find out you don't like it. Listen to it first. Then if you like it, buy it. Look at it this way - these people are making a living by making music. How do you make your living? Do you expect a paycheck at the end of the week for what you do? Then why do you think it's okay NOT to pay these people for what they do? If a plumber comes over and fixes your sink, do you pay them for their labor? 'nuf said Bobbi _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:04:48 -0800 From: nora95@juno.com Subject: [octoroon] bye-bye Just wanted to say see ya later. The list has gotten to be too much for me. I'll probably resubscribe in the future. Ya, we all do have our different opinions, which is the way the world is, and this is good. I'm a mild dubber and probably always will be, and I'm okay with that. Keep the peace on this list.... we know Laura would want it that way. Can't wait to see her when she gets to San Francisco again. nora ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:30:21 EST From: BassBrain@aol.com Subject: Re: [octoroon] dubbing In my view, a little debate is healthy -- why try to snuff it? Everyone loves to "say their piece" and since we ARE all adults here, what's the harm? The practice of "dubbing" is very controversial and while I agree that it is not totally ethical to do it, sometimes the benefits outweigh the downside regarding turning people on to new music and building a fan base. Just a thought. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:25:01 PST From: aly79@excite.com Subject: [none] Hey! I've been reading the list & thought I'd take some time out from the dub-or-not-to-dub wars to say Hi . . . My name's Aly, 19 yr old pseudo college student member of the minimum wage labor pool from Redding, Ca. My first Laura Experience was in August, I think, when she played at a little free concert in downtown Redding. I was immediately captivated, and though I am not so much what one would term as a "decent dancer", Laura charmed me, along with quite a few otheres, I noted, into GETTING DOWN. Soon, I was preaching the goodness and beauty of the Love to all my friends, aquaintences and family members, and waiting for her to return to the far north. :) And, thanks Kevin, I didn't realize that the julie on the new ani d. was *that* Julie! So pleased to meet all of you, Aly ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "I am eternally awaiting a renaissance of wonder" ~Lawrence Ferlinghetti "Um . . . me too." ~aly bosetti ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:25:42 PST From: aly79@excite.com Subject: [none] Hey! I've been reading the list & thought I'd take some time out from the dub-or-not-to-dub wars to say Hi . . . My name's Aly, 19 yr old pseudo college student member of the minimum wage labor pool from Redding, Ca. My first Laura Experience was in August, I think, when she played at a little free concert in downtown Redding. I was immediately captivated, and though I am not so much what one would term as a "decent dancer", Laura charmed me, along with quite a few otheres, I noted, into GETTING DOWN. Soon, I was preaching the goodness and beauty of the Love to all my friends, aquaintences and family members, and waiting for her to return to the far north. :) And, thanks Kevin, I didn't realize that the julie on the new ani d. was *that* Julie! So pleased to meet all of you, Aly ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "I am eternally awaiting a renaissance of wonder" ~Lawrence Ferlinghetti "Um . . . me too." ~aly bosetti ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ End of octoroon-digest V2 #16 *****************************