From: owner-octoroon-digest@smoe.org (octoroon-digest) To: octoroon-digest@smoe.org Subject: octoroon-digest V2 #15 Reply-To: octoroon@smoe.org Sender: owner-octoroon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-octoroon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk octoroon-digest Friday, January 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [octoroon] Rolling Stone [Gerty591@aol.com] Re: [octoroon] Rod/Chris show [Gerty591@aol.com] Re: [octoroon] my intro [Quentin Johnson ] [octoroon] CD pirating [Deb ] Re: [octoroon] CD pirating [Kevin Allred ] [octoroon] stealing [FZFan641@aol.com] Fwd: Re: [octoroon] CD pirating [Quentin Johnson ] Fw: [octoroon] CD pirating ["Rob Barrett" ] [octoroon] dubbing and things..... [nora95@juno.com] Re: [octoroon] stealing [Ensonified@aol.com] Re: [octoroon] Rod/Chris show [Victor Dyke ] [octoroon] pirating [Kevin Allred ] Re: [octoroon] Fans in New England [MMcfaul805@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:41:39 EST From: Gerty591@aol.com Subject: Re: [octoroon] Rolling Stone I agree...the best poart about laura is that noone knows her! I hate it when I like an artist and all of a sudden they become popular...it takes the fun out of them....But I also agree that she's cool enough to not sell out... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:44:21 EST From: Gerty591@aol.com Subject: Re: [octoroon] Rod/Chris show okay, because I'm a new laura love fan(only a year,) and I only have octeroon, can I have a list of her albums, also albums that have her in them...thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:04:29 -0800 (PST) From: Quentin Johnson Subject: Re: [octoroon] my intro I agree, Laura is so fucking genuine and friendly. It just gives her music a whole new, different diminision. Rose, you missed her about a year ago here in Columbia, SC. She played at Characters where I first got to meet and interview her. She was playing with a band called Rusted Root. I don't know what they sounded like, I left right after interviewing Laura -- I didn't care about them! :) I think she comes to NC, Asheville, like every summer for some kind of festival. I think one of my favorite covers is Laura's "That's no way to say goodbye." Unfortunately, I am a poor college student, so even if I could find her cd's, I couldn't afford them. But I found Pangaea at the public library! And I dubbed the fuck outta it! Anyway, Quentin == "Every Animal find a home or dies." - Acker, "Lust" _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:02:44 -0500 From: Deb Subject: [octoroon] CD pirating At 02:04 PM 1/28/99 , Quentin Johnson wrote: >I agree, Laura is so fucking genuine and friendly. It just gives her >music a whole new, different diminision. >I think one of my favorite covers is Laura's "That's no way to say >goodbye." Unfortunately, I am a poor college student, so even if I >could find her cd's, If you can't find them in a store near you, all are readily available via the Internet; check out the links to LL resources and online music stores on my music index for a start. >I couldn't afford them. But I found Pangaea at >the public library! And I dubbed the fuck outta it! First of all, I hope we can all learn to express ourselves on this list without excessive profanity. Most importantly, there is no excuse for theft, and that's exactly what you've done and what you are endorsing. Having worked my way through college, I'm not unfamiliar with the dilemmas of a poor college student. I find it hard to believe that if you wanted to buy a CD instead of a pizza one night you couldn't do it, but even if you're eating macaroni and cheese dinners every night, pirating Laura's CDs is wrong, wrong, wrong. I can't afford to buy all the CDs and books I'd like, but I'm not copying them. Laura's earned every bit of the royalties she's gotten from me and more, and I would never even consider enjoying her (or anyone else's) music without having provided her the benefit of what I'm sure is a small royalty, and maybe even more importantly the benefits of another CD sold (such as the luxury of remaining on Mercury, or simply the intangible satifaction of knowing your music is being heard). In case I haven't made myself clear, the official position of this list is to condemn pirating. We will not have a debate of the issue on this list - -- feel free to unsubscribe (send the command "unsubscribe" without quotes in the body of a message to octoroon-request@smoe.org) and start up octoroon-pirates if you object. If there is anything I can do to help people *buy* Laura's CDs, please let me know. Here are the CDs, as per a prior request: Z Therapy Helvetica Bold Pangaea The Laura Love Collection Octoroon Shum Ticky Sarah has a complete song listing and lists other LL appearances on the discography on her fan page at . - -- Deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:33:51 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Allred Subject: Re: [octoroon] CD pirating rock on! i agree with everything you said. that'll teach 'em. you've got to support the artist as well as the music, and dubbing gives the artist 0% credit. like ani difranco says, "unauthorized duplication, while sometimes neccessary (sp?), is NEVER as good as the real thing." kevin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:12:51 EST From: FZFan641@aol.com Subject: [octoroon] stealing i want to respond to the person who said that he copied Laura's cd Pangaea....i dont agree with what you did and i think it is stealing. we on this list are not in favor of what you did and dont want to hear about it. if you were really a LL fan, then you wouldnt consider doing something like that. most people on this list try to help laura as much as possible, which includes BUYING her cd's....not stealing them. you are a foul mouthed theif in most of our eyes and speaking for myself, i would rather not hear from you on this list again.... michael wolsey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:42:38 -0800 (PST) From: Quentin Johnson Subject: Fwd: Re: [octoroon] CD pirating I guess I will furthur insult you, then. My first Laura CD, Octoroon, I got for free. The radio station at my university gets free releases and they got three -- I was given one. I gave back to Laura in two ways: 1) an article I wrote on my campus prompted people to go buy Octoroon, I can think of at least three people who came up to me and told me this. 2) I do have a connection to a venue and I got Laura a gig in Iowa. Also, at the concert where I interviewed Laura, she, herself, allowed the concert to be recorded. So I have a live recording of Laura as well. I hope all of this makes your self-righteous head roll. Quentin === "Every Animal find a home or dies." - Acker, "Lust" == "Every Animal find a home or dies." - Acker, "Lust" _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:40:25 +1000 From: "Rob Barrett" Subject: Fw: [octoroon] CD pirating To the poor boofhead who can't afford to buy CD's.... Maybe you should have used the money you spent on the personality bypass operation!! Rob - -----Original Message----- From: Deb To: Laura Love List <> Date: Friday, 29 January 1999 11:02 Subject: [octoroon] CD pirating >At 02:04 PM 1/28/99 , Quentin Johnson wrote: >>I agree, Laura is so fucking genuine and friendly. It just gives her >>music a whole new, different diminision. > >>I think one of my favorite covers is Laura's "That's no way to say >>goodbye." Unfortunately, I am a poor college student, so even if I >>could find her cd's, > >If you can't find them in a store near you, all are readily available via >the Internet; check out the links to LL resources and online music stores >on my music index for a start. > >>I couldn't afford them. But I found Pangaea at >>the public library! And I dubbed the fuck outta it! > >First of all, I hope we can all learn to express ourselves on this list >without excessive profanity. > >Most importantly, there is no excuse for theft, and that's exactly what >you've done and what you are endorsing. Having worked my way through >college, I'm not unfamiliar with the dilemmas of a poor college student. I >find it hard to believe that if you wanted to buy a CD instead of a pizza >one night you couldn't do it, but even if you're eating macaroni and cheese >dinners every night, pirating Laura's CDs is wrong, wrong, wrong. I can't >afford to buy all the CDs and books I'd like, but I'm not copying them. >Laura's earned every bit of the royalties she's gotten from me and more, >and I would never even consider enjoying her (or anyone else's) music >without having provided her the benefit of what I'm sure is a small >royalty, and maybe even more importantly the benefits of another CD sold >(such as the luxury of remaining on Mercury, or simply the intangible >satifaction of knowing your music is being heard). > >In case I haven't made myself clear, the official position of this list is >to condemn pirating. We will not have a debate of the issue on this list >-- feel free to unsubscribe (send the command "unsubscribe" without quotes >in the body of a message to octoroon-request@smoe.org) and start up >octoroon-pirates if you object. > >If there is anything I can do to help people *buy* Laura's CDs, please let >me know. Here are the CDs, as per a prior request: > > Z Therapy > Helvetica Bold > Pangaea > The Laura Love Collection > Octoroon > Shum Ticky > >Sarah has a complete song listing and lists other >LL appearances on the discography on her fan page at >. > >-- >Deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:51:26 -0800 From: nora95@juno.com Subject: [octoroon] dubbing and things..... First off I have to admit that I haven't read all the post in full regarding the dubbing situation, so my comments could be a little off the full subject. I apologize ahead of time if my comments aren't all appropriate to the discussion occurring. i don't want any back lash at me. For me whatever way I can get my hands on the music I love i will..... is that bad? I guess that's up to your personal values, morals or whatever. I kind of get the feeling that Laura wouldn't be too upset. Maybe she's actually done some dubbing herself. :-) A friend of mine turned me on to Laura some many years ago and she dubbed a Laura CD for me. I liked the music and then proceeded to purchase three CD's of mine own along the way, and I've bought at least a dozen copies for friends over the years. If my friend hadn't of dubbed me her CD I may have not have become as interested in Laura, therefore I wouldn't have turned so many of my friends onto Laura and brought them to a half a dozen of her shows (which we all paid full price). In return they have turned so many others onto Laura. So, the original dubbing of one Laura CD has resulted in dozens of money spent on her CD's and concerts. Dubbing occurs--that's a reality. Let's continue to keep this list filled with positive energy, love towards toward Laura, commitment to getting her music played on the radio, sharing our personal experiences about Laura with each other. And the vulgar words and hostility are not appealing, and definitely not what Laura Love fans are all about. It's okay to dispute, but in a constructive way. (not pointing the finger at people with heartless comments...."such as buying a pizza instead of a Laura CD"......) nora, from San Francisco, a 26 year old lover of Laura Love. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:18:35 EST From: Ensonified@aol.com Subject: Re: [octoroon] stealing Greetings All, While I did find Mr. Wolsey's comments perhaps "innappropriate", depending on the reader... and who can say who reads here? He is personally justified in recording music that he finds pleasing to his senses...isn't that why music is first recorded? To pass it it along? We are not in his shoes and therefore should hold summary judgement in abeyance... I don't know who YOU are... But I am me... Keep your step light and your powder dry, Standfast, ensonified ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:49:19 -0500 From: Victor Dyke Subject: Re: [octoroon] Rod/Chris show Gerty591@aol.com wrote: > > okay, because I'm a new laura love fan(only a year,) and I only have octeroon, > can I have a list of her albums, also albums that have her in them...thanks Check out Deb's posting - CD pirating - she has a pretty comprehensive list. She fails to mention the Jo Miller/Laura Love "Sings Blue Grass and Old-Time Music" CD that, along with Pangaea & Octoroon, are amomg my favourite Laura albums. (Now that dates me.) And Deb, lighten up. You can express your displeasure at piracy but to suggest banishing someone for that or for inappropriate language, well that's just a bit too much political correctness for me. It's unfortunate that he chose to re-produce one of Laura's self-produced projescts, but what I want to know is why noone is upset by the fact that the record companies charge you more for CDs than tapes, when CDs are cheaper to produce. And you can bet that extra money isn't going back to Laura. Now there's something to get morally indignant about. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Allred Subject: [octoroon] pirating hey! i don't agree with the whole dubbing thing, but i do see quentin's point. we're all coming down a little hard on him don't ya think? everyone makes mistakes and it looks like he's done a lot in return for laura. kevin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:03:19 EST From: MMcfaul805@aol.com Subject: Re: [octoroon] Fans in New England In a message dated 1/27/99 8:44:04 PM, RHuntingto@aol.com wrote: << Is there any word as to whether she'll be back at Falcon Ridge?>> They haven't invited her this year. That's pretty much par for the course at festivals - one year on, a couple years off. They need to keep the line up varied and give other artists a chance. Everyone wants to play festivals and there are only so many spots. But - it is VERY important that they hear from you, so, all you folks who want to see her at Vancouver, Edmonton, Falcon Ridge, Telluride, Merlefest, Wheatland, Strawberry (we actually just confirmed her at Strawberry near Yosemite Labor Day weekend!), be sure you contact the festival offices and let them know who you want to see! Sometimes there are questionaires at the festival sites, so if you are at a festival, fill one out. Festivals start their booking in the early fall and finish up by February, so it's best to let them know right away. It's too late by the time you see the festival brochures. Also, SEATTLITES: Laura would very much like to play Bumbershoot again, but they put her in the "local" artist category, which means they pay her as if all the band members had nothing else to do but sit around town waiting for the next bar gig. The reality is that Laura is a national artist and is touring all summer, so we need them to offer us a national spot, and pay us accordingly so we can afford to fly in from wherever we are. I keep telling them that it's just a coincidence that she lives here. It's like calling Pearl Jam a local band. They need to hear requests from you. The request would go like this "Can you tell me if Laura Love will be playing Bumbershoot this year?". You don't have to yell at them or put them down, just politely ask if she is playing. If they hear a few of these, they might call me. One Reel (the company that produces Bumbershoot) can be reached at 206/281-7788. Once again, fans, thanks for your support. I'll address the dubbing issue soon, when I'm not so tired (Thursday is my bowling night. I sponsor the team - - "Mercury Love") and have a chance to form a proper response. Mary McFaul ------------------------------ End of octoroon-digest V2 #15 *****************************