From: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org (navy-soup-digest) To: navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Subject: navy-soup-digest V7 #79 Reply-To: navy-soup@smoe.org Sender: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk navy-soup-digest Friday, October 8 2004 Volume 07 : Number 079 In This Digest: ----------------- Sarah tour, Charlotte Martin [songchicky ] Re: Toronto date finally announced.. pre-sale tickets (eventually) through sarahslean.com [James McGarry ] Re: Billboard article [Paul Schreiber ] RE: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) ["Kelly Goodlad" ] RE: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) ["Katie Belsher" Subject: Sarah tour, Charlotte Martin Tab, just wanted to respond to your comment about Sarah having her own tour. I'd agree with you had Night Bugs been more of a commercial success. However in Warner's mind, they probably see her as having the same number of fans now as she did when Blue Parade was out. Ron does have a much larger fanbase at present. I think that she'd probably end up playing for far more people opening for him than she would headlining her own tour, many of whom would be hearing her for the first time. I heard some of Charlotte Martin's stuff a while back and it did absolutely nothing for me, but the kool thing about music is that it is so subjective and one man's steak is another's sauerkraut. I don't think she sounds at all like Tori, who I adore, but I've realized that comparing any female with a piano to Tori is the easiest and least imaginative thing for many music writers to do, so they do it. Thank the Lord for the journalists with some original things to say. xo tanisha ===== tanishataitt.ca Debut album coming Fall '04. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:05:05 -0400 (EDT) From: James McGarry Subject: Re: Toronto date finally announced.. pre-sale tickets (eventually) through sarahslean.com On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Julian C. Dunn wrote: > It's a beautiful hall though. I saw Jewel there many moons ago and it > was fantastic. Aside from the screaming teen girls, it was a great show. James. (But it wasn't Bathurst St. Theatre, man, that gig is legendary!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:52:04 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) http://eye.net/eye/issue/issue_10.07.04/music/ondisc.html SARAH SLEAN Day One Warner Anyone who has followed Sarah Slean's career wouldn't be surprised that she's been threatening to write a stage musical -- they just probably didn't expect it would be her new album. While the local piano songstress has been leaning toward a cabaret-tinged style in recent years, Day One feels more like a collection of showtunes than the thoughtful pop she cultivated on previous albums. Co-producers Peter Prilesnik (Sarah Harmer'sYou Were Here) and Dan Kurtz (Feist'sMonarch) should have been a match made in heaven for Slean, but Day One sounds like a classic case of too many fingers on the dials. Slean's songwriting remains as sharp as ever, but it's buried under unnecessary layers and forced vocals. Though it's admirable that she's trying to stretch her sound into more rhythmic territory (Kurtz's background with local groove merchants The New Deal undoubtedly helps here), it's telling that the best songs cut the clutter. "California" strikes the right balance, with soft percussion pulsating like a heartbeat behind the keys, and ghostly vocals float over simple yet aching chords on "Your Wish Is My Wish." Sometimes it's the subtle gesture that conveys more than a theatrical flourish. TABASSUM SIDDIQUI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:54:07 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: Billboard article Kelly wrote: >> Was it not rumoured at one point that Sarah had herself penned Last >> Year's War in regards to Kevin Fox, who she used to also date? >> > Don't think so because I clearly remember her saying before playing it > way > back something to the tune of "I wrote this about a boy...whose real > name is > Paul" It wasn't me. :-) Paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / "I was looking at the Jennifer Lopez liner notes. There are songs on her latest album...[it's] called 'J.Lo' or something, is it? Or 'Jo. Lez'? I don't know. And there were songs that have seven writers -- you know, I mean how many assholes does it take to screw in a light bulb? Get a life already. It's ridiculous." -- Chantal Kreviazuk, in the _McGill Tribune_, 3/20/01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:56:32 -0400 From: "Kelly Goodlad" Subject: RE: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) I just don't get it. I think this is her best collection yet. I'm so inspired by this record. I also think it flows really well, so I don't get why she says there are too many fingers on the dials. I think her voice sounds better - clearer, more confident than ever. Sigh...oh well. :) >http://eye.net/eye/issue/issue_10.07.04/music/ondisc.html > >SARAH SLEAN >Day One >Warner > > Anyone who has followed Sarah Slean's career wouldn't be surprised that >she's been threatening to write a stage musical -- they just probably >didn't expect it would be her new album. While the local piano songstress >has been leaning toward a cabaret-tinged style in recent years, Day One >feels more like a collection of showtunes than the thoughtful pop she >cultivated on previous albums. Co-producers Peter Prilesnik (Sarah >Harmer'sYou Were Here) and Dan Kurtz (Feist'sMonarch) should have been a >match made in heaven for Slean, but Day One sounds like a classic case of >too many fingers on the dials. Slean's songwriting remains as sharp as >ever, but it's buried under unnecessary layers and forced vocals. Though >it's admirable that she's trying to stretch her sound into more rhythmic >territory (Kurtz's background with local groove merchants The New Deal >undoubtedly helps here), it's telling that the best songs cut the clutter. >"California" strikes the right balance, with soft percussion pulsating like >a heartbeat behind the keys, and ghostly vocals float over simple yet >aching chords on "Your Wish Is My Wish." Sometimes it's the subtle gesture >that conveys more than a theatrical flourish. TABASSUM SIDDIQUI ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:57:39 -0400 From: "Kelly Goodlad" Subject: RE: Sarah tour, Charlotte Martin stylistically she reminds me of tori, but not vocally. >From: songchicky >To: navy-soup@smoe.org >Subject: Sarah tour, Charlotte Martin >Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:27:11 -0400 (EDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc3-f10.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.146]) by mc3-s19.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:35:52 -0700 >Received: from smoe.org ([199.201.145.78]) by mc3-f10.hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:35:42 -0700 >Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org >(8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i974XxJu003613for >; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:33:59 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id >i974XxSh003612for navy-soup-outgoing; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:33:59 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from web50608.mail.yahoo.com (web50608.mail.yahoo.com >[206.190.38.95]) by smoe.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i974XvJu003605 >for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:33:57 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [24.101.84.88] by web50608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 >Oct 2004 00:27:11 EDT >X-Message-Info: NDMZeIBu+sqoot0Ghcp2jYfXS9wCGxnzaDUDBz64/3w= >X-Authentication-Warning: smoe.org: majordom set sender to >owner-navy-soup@smoe.org using -f >Message-ID: <20041007042711.82433.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> >In-Reply-To: <200410060420.i964K8Nl009314@smoe.org> >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on jane.smoe.org >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no >version=2.63 >X-Virus-Scanned: clamdscan / ClamAV version 0.60 >X-Virus-Scanned: clamdscan / ClamAV version 0.60 >X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.2 >(smoe.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:33:59 -0400 (EDT) >X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:06:40 by milter-greylist-1.5.2 (smoe.org >[199.201.145.78]); Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:33:58 -0400 (EDT) >Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2004 04:35:43.0352 (UTC) >FILETIME=[1B372F80:01C4AC27] > >Tab, just wanted to respond to your comment about >Sarah having her own tour. I'd agree with you had >Night Bugs been more of a commercial success. However >in Warner's mind, they probably see her as having the >same number of fans now as she did when Blue Parade >was out. Ron does have a much larger fanbase at >present. I think that she'd probably end up playing >for far more people opening for him than she would >headlining her own tour, many of whom would be hearing >her for the first time. > >I heard some of Charlotte Martin's stuff a while back >and it did absolutely nothing for me, but the kool >thing about music is that it is so subjective and one >man's steak is another's sauerkraut. I don't think >she sounds at all like Tori, who I adore, but I've >realized that comparing any female with a piano to >Tori is the easiest and least imaginative thing for >many music writers to do, so they do it. Thank the >Lord for the journalists with some original things to >say. > >xo >tanisha > > > >===== >tanishataitt.ca >Debut album coming Fall '04. > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:29:36 -0600 From: "Katie Belsher" Subject: RE: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) everyone's a critic! why can't we just listen to the music, and respect it for what it is. >>SARAH SLEAN >>Day One >>Warner >> >> Anyone who has followed Sarah Slean's career wouldn't be surprised that >>she's been threatening to write a stage musical -- they just probably >>didn't expect it would be her new album. While the local piano songstress >>has been leaning toward a cabaret-tinged style in recent years, Day One >>feels more like a collection of showtunes than the thoughtful pop she >>cultivated on previous albums. Co-producers Peter Prilesnik (Sarah >>Harmer'sYou Were Here) and Dan Kurtz (Feist'sMonarch) should have been a >>match made in heaven for Slean, but Day One sounds like a classic case of >>too many fingers on the dials. Slean's songwriting remains as sharp as >>ever, but it's buried under unnecessary layers and forced vocals. Though >>it's admirable that she's trying to stretch her sound into more rhythmic >>territory (Kurtz's background with local groove merchants The New Deal >>undoubtedly helps here), it's telling that the best songs cut the clutter. >>"California" strikes the right balance, with soft percussion pulsating >>like a heartbeat behind the keys, and ghostly vocals float over simple yet >>aching chords on "Your Wish Is My Wish." Sometimes it's the subtle gesture >>that conveys more than a theatrical flourish. TABASSUM SIDDIQUI _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:15:28 -0400 From: "Aimee S" Subject: RE: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) I agree, Kelly. Feeling defensive for my fave gal. Please people, lay off on the negative criticism and enjoy!!!!! Personally, I like that Sarah's style is evolving (dare I say, finally being represented acurately). She's ABSOLUTELY sounding more confident, has gained vocal range (my measly singing talent has been squashed. can no longer sing along and sound half-decent), and gained power in her messages. Note that these qualities have ALWAYS been in place and that, in my opinion, production was lacking on previous recordings. Anyone that has seen Sarah live can attest to the fact that her previous CDs have done her voice no justice. I have always felt that her talent cannot be accurately captured in recorded format as it is much too grand. This is the closest to "real" Sarah that I've ever heard. I also think this is the direction she's been headed toward for a long time...her music is theatrical, multi-layered, and unique. I LOVE this album and can't wait to see how she performs these new songs live. And "thoughtful pop"? Sarah, again in MY opinion, has never been "pop". Pop is Spears, Simpson, and fricken Duff. Sarah has WAY more talent that any of these fabrications and should not (CANNOT!) be categorized. That's the best things about her music. You can't define what it is, you just love it!!!!! And as for Tab's reference to "California" and "Your Wish..." as being more theatrical in their subtlety...the heart-wrenching ballads Sarah has previously produced are only a PART of what she is capable of. Sorry I ranted. I'm a HUGE fan and supporter of Miss Slean and think it's negative/quicky reviews that have stifled her potential to be hugely successful. There's a whole group of people, I'm sure, that would love to see Sarah take over/TAKE OUT(!!!) mainstream crap. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kelly Goodlad" To: shrub@mac.com, navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: RE: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:56:32 -0400 I just don't get it. I think this is her best collection yet. I'm so inspired by this record. I also think it flows really well, so I don't get why she says there are too many fingers on the dials. I think her voice sounds better - clearer, more confident than ever. Sigh...oh well. :) >http://eye.net/eye/issue/issue_10.07.04/music/ondisc.html > >SARAH SLEAN >Day One >Warner > > Anyone who has followed Sarah Slean's career wouldn't be surprised >that she's been threatening to write a stage musical -- they just >probably didn't expect it would be her new album. While the local >piano songstress has been leaning toward a cabaret-tinged style in >recent years, Day One feels more like a collection of showtunes than >the thoughtful pop she cultivated on previous albums. Co-producers >Peter Prilesnik (Sarah Harmer'sYou Were Here) and Dan Kurtz >(Feist'sMonarch) should have been a match made in heaven for Slean, >but Day One sounds like a classic case of too many fingers on the >dials. Slean's songwriting remains as sharp as ever, but it's buried >under unnecessary layers and forced vocals. Though it's admirable >that she's trying to stretch her sound into more rhythmic territory >(Kurtz's background with local groove merchants The New Deal >undoubtedly helps here), it's telling that the best songs cut the >clutter. "California" strikes the right balance, with soft >percussion pulsating like a heartbeat behind the keys, and ghostly >vocals float over simple yet aching chords on "Your Wish Is My >Wish." Sometimes it's the subtle gesture that conveys more than a >theatrical flourish. TABASSUM SIDDIQUI - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Share a single photo or an entire slide show right inside your e-mail with MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:29:11 -0400 From: "Ian MacLatchy" Subject: Re: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) Hi all, I've never posted a message but enjoy reading everyone's comments (and learning along the way). I'm a "new" Sarah fan (since Night Bugs) and have been soooo lucky to have seen her perform twice in the last couple of months (opening for a "goth" band called Rasputina, at a House of Blues show in Ahanheim, California, in early August, and then opening for Alanis at the NAC here in Ottawa a few weeks back.........I think the new album is BRILLIANT (I also just picked up Blue Parade, and have Universe on order)............anyways, I've attached a JPEG of her most recent article in TIME magazine, for anyone that hasn't seen it.......you will have to use your "zoom" function to read it, but it's a great article (on one of Canada's greatest!!!). (can't wait for the tour with Ron!!!!!) Kind regards to all Sincerely Ian [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Sarah Slean - Time Article.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:50:13 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian MacLatchy" To: "Aimee S" ; Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:29 PM > Blue Parade, and have Universe on order)............anyways, I've attached > a > JPEG of her most recent article in TIME magazine, for anyone that hasn't Attachments are auto-filtered by the list, its generally best just to post a link. James. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:48:54 -0400 From: Richard Weisdorf Subject: RE: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) Ok, I've been reading the varied responses to Sarah Slean's new album and I just thought I'd put my own opinions in. In my mind, Sarah Slean is a gifted and talented musician, so no matter what I feel about this album, this belief will not change. However, that being said, the whole reason why I started listening to Sarah was because of her uniqueness. In this album, alot of the uniqueness is masked with elements that I feel are over-produced; however, it's not to say that it was all bad for it did have some excellent moments. That being said, I still agree with people who say that a musician should look to evolve into whatever he or she wants to. Sarah's realization of wanting to become more rythymic is great in that she has a goal and a direction to her future endeavours. Who knows, maybe in a few years, her stuff will contain the combination of beautiful, well constructed, melodic songs that we have come to expect from her with the added benefit of engaging rythymic drives accompanied by a production sound that brings all this stuff out so that it is pleasing to the ear. So, kudos to Sarah for trying to make herself an all round better musician than she already is, of course, I miss the emphasis on the piano playing from the previous albums but that's just me, I guess! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:03:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: Re: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Ian MacLatchy wrote: > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a > name of Sarah Slean - Time Article.jpg] smoe strips attachments from mailing list posts; can you put it up on a website somewhere? - - Julian - -- [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * www.dreaming.org/~julian/ ] [ PGP: 0xFDC205B9 - 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 ] [ "half a love is better than no love at all" - nerissa nields ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:06:53 -0600 (CST) From: iam@kyall.com Subject: Re: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) > http://eye.net/eye/issue/issue_10.07.04/music/ondisc.html > > SARAH SLEAN > Day One > Warner I think it should be noted that Tab gave the album 3 of 5 stars. That's still above average. I respect Tab's writing and I think her review of Night Bugs was spot on. I think the reason I like Day One better is that the songs are so thematically linked. Night Bugs, I never sensed any underlying theme - especially since the songs were jammed together to be as big of a hit as possible - hence, "Eliot" and "Weight" being redone for the album, even though they were years old and had previously been recorded. And my goodness, isn't "Somebody's Arms" a charmer. I've never liked major chords so much! I also disagree with some that we have to like everything Sarah has recorded. I mean, I can't stand "The Score" at all. Being a fan doesn't mean fanning over every note she pours out. Most artists get criticism from their fans for their new releases, and some drop off while new come along. It's part of the process. Myself, I won't be buying Bjork's "Medulla" even though I own every other album, because I don't like it. Chances are, the next album will once again be completely different and I may buy that. peace, kg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:16:46 -0600 From: "Katie Belsher" Subject: Re: eye mag Day One review (by Tab) i'm a romantic about music, and prefer to let the music speak for itself. but someone's got to be the critic. ....just not me. > > SARAH SLEAN > > Day One > > Warner > >I think it should be noted that Tab gave the album 3 of 5 stars. That's >still above average. > >I respect Tab's writing and I think her review of Night Bugs was spot on. > I think the reason I like Day One better is that the songs are so >thematically linked. Night Bugs, I never sensed any underlying theme - >especially since the songs were jammed together to be as big of a hit as >possible - hence, "Eliot" and "Weight" being redone for the album, even >though they were years old and had previously been recorded. > >And my goodness, isn't "Somebody's Arms" a charmer. I've never liked >major chords so much! > >I also disagree with some that we have to like everything Sarah has >recorded. I mean, I can't stand "The Score" at all. Being a fan doesn't >mean fanning over every note she pours out. Most artists get criticism >from their fans for their new releases, and some drop off while new come >along. It's part of the process. Myself, I won't be buying Bjork's >"Medulla" even though I own every other album, because I don't like it. >Chances are, the next album will once again be completely different and I >may buy that. > >peace, >kg _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ End of navy-soup-digest V7 #79 ******************************