From: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org (navy-soup-digest) To: navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Subject: navy-soup-digest V6 #88 Reply-To: navy-soup@smoe.org Sender: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk navy-soup-digest Thursday, June 12 2003 Volume 06 : Number 088 In This Digest: ----------------- RE: Touchy Subject - Bootlegs - Also, new album? ["Julian C. Dunn" ] Re: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection ["Kelly Goodlad" ] Re: Single #2 [Johnathan Milley ] Re: Single #2 ["Neal Jennings" ] BOUNCE navy-soup@smoe.org: Non-member submission from [Yaron ] (fwd) ["Julian] RE: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection [Yaron ] Sarah playing at Honens 2003 competition (Calgary)! [Yaron Subject: RE: Touchy Subject - Bootlegs - Also, new album? On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 15:36, Blu and Katie Belsher wrote: > "does anyone out there trade Sarah bootlegs? I know she's against it, > but..." > > Wow, that sort of surprises me (her being against it). Though, I can > understand it. I mean, live she is breathtakingly good... and shitty > recordings being circulated doesn't do her justice. The other thing I > would imagine is when she does "special treats", -covers of songs and > unreleased songs from upcoming albums- they are for that particular > audience, to tie in with the way the show is going. It does say so right in the charter that she'd rather we not discuss bootlegs: However Brian and I have been pretty lax about enforcing this; although I like to respect the wishes of Heather and Sarah as much as possible, I also like to weigh that against the desires of the fans. I think it's a self-policing issue; if listmembers want to talk about boots, they're going to anyway regardless of what Brian or I think/say, but maybe not on the list, if the policy were to be enforced. Which I think we would do only if there was a problem, e.g. someone were to talk about organizing massive bootlegging efforts, or whatever. - - Julian - -- [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose / and most times ] [ you choose between the two" - carole king, "sweet seasons" ] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:26:33 -0600 From: Leslie Chin Subject: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection So Radiohead's new album came out today. I have to say that it is absolutely amazing. It's some of their best stuff yet! Anyways, it is copy protected like a lot of CD's are lately. This is a problem for me since I spend a lot of time on the computer writing papers...so I usually listen to all my CD's in mp3 form. I mean I totally understand the beef that record companies have with mp3's but for me they are more convenient than using CD's. Plus, with a database I have hours of music as opposed to just 80 minutes max. I've also run into this new protection on Dav-net and Placebo's new one. Sorry that this has nothing to do with Slean. I just had to vent. :-P Though it'll probably effect Slean's next album... Leslie. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 2003 01:02:30 -0400 From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: Re: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 00:26, Leslie Chin wrote: > So Radiohead's new album came out today. I have to say that it is > absolutely amazing. It's some of their best stuff yet! > > Anyways, it is copy protected like a lot of CD's are lately. This is a I don't know how useful something like this is; if I really wanted to copy the CD, I'm sure that I could. For example, my DVD player, like most, has an optical out jack. What's to say that I can't just plug my Minidisc recorder into it, record the album, and then spool it back to my computer? It's clear that the record companies still have their collective heads in the sand over the fact that their business model DOES NOT WORK. I don't really see how alienating your consumers is going to sell more records. This is like Air Canada's plan to emerge from bankruptcy a "better company" by firing employees, cutting wages, flying less planes, raising fares, slashing routes, and packing customers in like sardines, to say nothing about the absolutely wonderful customer service that you'll be receiving from the aforementioned disgruntled employees. Okay, that really makes me want to fly across the country. - - Julian - -- [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose / and most times ] [ you choose between the two" - carole king, "sweet seasons" ] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:27:48 -0400 From: DanStark1 <2003.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection Find yourself a copy of CloneCD by Elaborate Bytes. It bypasses most kinds of copy protection and is updated regularly, so you should be able to make a copy that will work in your CD player. That's a disappointing move by Radiohead. I think most of their tech-savvy fans can figure out how to bypass the copy protection if they really want to, so all they're really going to end up doing is inconveniencing honest customers and creating resentment. Are there any multimedia features or a bonus DVD in your store copy? Or web-based interactive features like the stuff found on Tori's Scarlet's Walk, that can be unlocked with a real copy of the CD? That kind of strategy is far more likely to persuade me to buy the real CD than threatening me with copy protection if I don't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:45:02 -0500 From: "Jason " Subject: Re: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection - ----- Original Message ----- From: DanStark1 <2003.carnivore99@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:27:48 -0400 To: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: Re: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection Re: That's a disappointing move by Radiohead. I think most of their tech-savvy Re: fans can figure out how to bypass the copy protection if they really want Re: to, so all they're really going to end up doing is inconveniencing honest Re: customers and creating resentment. I think it was the record company's decision rather than Radiohead's. I think Thom has said that everything is digital anyways so why bother with the copy protection stuff. It's not that hard to get around it. :) /Jason - -- Now with Premium IGN Mail for only US$14.95/yr Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:44:31 -0400 From: "Ian" Subject: Re: Touchy Subject - Bootlegs - Also, new album? There's a really really great recording of California out there, though. ;) .. a clip of which can be heard in the background of this page: http://members.rogers.com/29271211717/ unfortunately the thief mp3 linked isn't there anymore.. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blu and Katie Belsher" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: RE: Touchy Subject - Bootlegs - Also, new album? > "does anyone out there trade Sarah bootlegs? I know she's against it, > but..." > > Wow, that sort of surprises me (her being against it). Though, I can > understand it. I mean, live she is breathtakingly good... and shitty > recordings being circulated doesn't do her justice. The other thing I > would imagine is when she does "special treats", -covers of songs and > unreleased songs from upcoming albums- they are for that particular > audience, to tie in with the way the show is going. > > So perhaps we could just respect her wishes and save the "punch lines" > for after she tells the joke. Part of music is to leave the musician in > control, -since it is THEIR art- and for us to allow ourselves to take > it all in. Bootlegs are taking her music out of context... perhaps we > need to be there, in the emotion of the night... > > Generally things are best left to memory anyways. When you are there, > and feeling it, taking it in. > > Art needs to be pushed to new levels. Bootlegs steal the magic from the > performer, and from you. I couldn't imagine having heard California on > some low quality recording prior to hearing it live. It really would > have ruined it for me. etc... etc... > > Well, that's all I have to say. Sorry to rant. > > Enjoy life. > > Blu > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org [mailto:owner-navy-soup@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Kristilyn Robertson > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:46 PM > To: navy-soup@smoe.org > Subject: Touchy Subject - Bootlegs - Also, new album? > > Hello navy soupers! > > This may be a bit of a touchy subject, but does anyone out there trade > Sarah bootlegs? I know she's against it, but I just love her live > performances and would love to get copies of some of them. > > Also, is there any news on an upcoming Sarah album? > > Kristilyn > www.kristilynrobertson.com > http://www.geocities.com/sweetsangria81 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:43:47 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian C. Dunn" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:02 AM > It's clear that the record companies still have their collective heads > in the sand over the fact that their business model DOES NOT WORK. I Too true. I do have a faith in people that most people would be happy to pay for the music, if they didn't feel they were being ripped off. Like two good songs on a 10 song album thats 17.99. And the sad fact that the artist who created the music might get about $1 of that. And don't even get me started on how much digital versions of albums cost. :-) > don't really see how alienating your consumers is going to sell more There's a good article on Paul's Blog about what the actual downturn in music sales is all about and its not about downloading. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:24:40 -0400 From: "Kelly Goodlad" Subject: Re: Single #2 If there's a single besides "Sweet Ones", it's news to me. Heather? :) I haven't heard any other songs on the radio (except for "Weight" a couple of times on The Edge), and I haven't heard anything about any more videos... >From: "Look I'm A Mermaid" >To: navy-soup@smoe.org >Subject: Single #2 >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:58:34 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc4-f33.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.237.168]) by >mc4-s10.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 >Jun 2003 20:00:39 -0700 >Received: from smoe.org ([199.201.145.78]) by mc4-f33.law16.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:59:32 -0700 >Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org >(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5B2wi75017438for >; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id >h5B2witd017436for navy-soup-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from web40012.mail.yahoo.com (web40012.mail.yahoo.com >[66.218.78.30]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h5B2wd75017356 >for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:40 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [64.231.21.51] by web40012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 >Jun 2003 19:58:34 PDT >X-Message-Info: MxAodtZPLiQ6HPHOc8rBiXjgUFkT69DC >Message-ID: <20030611025834.2914.qmail@web40012.mail.yahoo.com> >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE >version=2.53 >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) >X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c >X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain >Sender: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2003 02:59:32.0797 (UTC) >FILETIME=[7BC35ED0:01C32FC5] > >Duncan I guess. I wonder what #3 is? Eliot? > >Jacqueline >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:26:32 -0400 From: "Kelly Goodlad" Subject: Re: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection Oh gawd... The thing that bugs me about copy protection is not being able to separate the songs and put them onto mix CDs. That's part of the joy of owning a record, IMHO... But I'm gonna go buy Radiohead today anyway. >From: Leslie Chin >To: navy-soup@smoe.org >Subject: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:26:33 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc5-f18.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.252.25]) by >mc5-s3.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 Jun >2003 21:27:33 -0700 >Received: from smoe.org ([199.201.145.78]) by mc5-f18.law1.hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:27:33 -0700 >Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org >(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5B4Ql75009140for >; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:26:47 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id >h5B4QlTQ009138for navy-soup-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:26:47 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com >[192.108.102.143]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id >h5B4Qi75009120 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:26:44 -0400 >(EDT) >Received: from myrealbox.com ghakazian@smtp-send.myrealbox.com >[66.222.227.107] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent >$Revision: 3.34 $ on Novell NetWare; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:26:41 -0700 >X-Message-Info: MxAodtZPLiQ6HPHOc8rBiXjgUFkT69DC >Message-ID: <3EE6AF79.60907@myrealbox.com> >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) >Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 >X-Accept-Language: en-us, en >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA >version=2.53 >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) >Sender: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2003 04:27:33.0422 (UTC) >FILETIME=[C742CCE0:01C32FD1] > >So Radiohead's new album came out today. I have to say that it is >absolutely amazing. It's some of their best stuff yet! > >Anyways, it is copy protected like a lot of CD's are lately. This is a >problem for me since I spend a lot of time on the computer writing >papers...so I usually listen to all my CD's in mp3 form. I mean I totally >understand the beef that record companies have with mp3's but for me they >are more convenient than using CD's. Plus, with a database I have hours of >music as opposed to just 80 minutes max. > >I've also run into this new protection on Dav-net and Placebo's new one. > >Sorry that this has nothing to do with Slean. I just had to vent. :-P > >Though it'll probably effect Slean's next album... > >Leslie. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:19:15 -0400 From: "Ashley Winnington-Ball" Subject: Re: Single #2 was there a video released for the second single?? - ----- through meditation i program my heart to beat breakbeats and hum basslines on exhalation. ohm. (sw) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kelly Goodlad" To: lookima_mermaid@yahoo.com, navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: Re: Single #2 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:24:40 -0400 If there's a single besides "Sweet Ones", it's news to me. Heather? :) I haven't heard any other songs on the radio (except for "Weight" a couple of times on The Edge), and I haven't heard anything about any more videos... >From: "Look I'm A Mermaid" >To: navy-soup@smoe.org >Subject: Single #2 >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:58:34 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc4-f33.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.237.168]) by >mc4-s10.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 >Jun 2003 20:00:39 -0700 >Received: from smoe.org ([199.201.145.78]) by mc4-f33.law16.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:59:32 -0700 >Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org >(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5B2wi75017438for >; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id >h5B2witd017436for navy-soup-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from web40012.mail.yahoo.com (web40012.mail.yahoo.com >[66.218.78.30]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h5B2wd75017356 >for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:40 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [64.231.21.51] by web40012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 >Jun 2003 19:58:34 PDT >X-Message-Info: MxAodtZPLiQ6HPHOc8rBiXjgUFkT69DC >Message-ID: <20030611025834.2914.qmail@web40012.mail.yahoo.com> >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE >version=2.53 >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) >X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c >X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain >Sender: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk >Return-Path: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2003 02:59:32.0797 (UTC) >FILETIME=[7BC35ED0:01C32FC5] > >Duncan I guess. I wonder what #3 is? Eliot? > >Jacqueline >Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnathan Milley Subject: Re: Single #2 Not always does a video accompany a single. She has released "Weight" and "Duncan" as singles to radio stations. That I know of because they are on the radio promo disks I have. Not sure if a video is being done for Duncan, I hope so though. John Milley - --- "Ashley Winnington-Ball" wrote: >was there a video released for the second single?? > > >----- > >through meditation i program my heart to beat breakbeats and hum basslines >on exhalation. ohm. (sw) > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Kelly Goodlad" >To: lookima_mermaid@yahoo.com, navy-soup@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Single #2 >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:24:40 -0400 > >If there's a single besides "Sweet Ones", it's news to me. Heather? :) > >I haven't heard any other songs on the radio (except for "Weight" a couple >of times on The Edge), and I haven't heard anything about any more videos... > > > > >>From: "Look I'm A Mermaid" >>To: navy-soup@smoe.org >>Subject: Single #2 >>Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:58:34 -0700 (PDT) >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Received: from mc4-f33.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.237.168]) by >>mc4-s10.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 >>Jun 2003 20:00:39 -0700 >>Received: from smoe.org ([199.201.145.78]) by mc4-f33.law16.hotmail.com >>with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:59:32 -0700 >>Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1])by smoe.org >>(8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5B2wi75017438for >>; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id >>h5B2witd017436for navy-soup-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from web40012.mail.yahoo.com (web40012.mail.yahoo.com >>[66.218.78.30]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h5B2wd75017356 >>for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:40 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from [64.231.21.51] by web40012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 >>Jun 2003 19:58:34 PDT >>X-Message-Info: MxAodtZPLiQ6HPHOc8rBiXjgUFkT69DC >>Message-ID: <20030611025834.2914.qmail@web40012.mail.yahoo.com> >>X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE >>version=2.53 >>X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) >>X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c >>X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain >>Sender: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >>Precedence: bulk >>Return-Path: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2003 02:59:32.0797 (UTC) >>FILETIME=[7BC35ED0:01C32FC5] >> >>Duncan I guess. I wonder what #3 is? Eliot? >> >>Jacqueline >>Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _____________________________________________________________ Visit TheForce.Net Your Daily Dose of Star Wars http://www.theforce.net _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:46:45 -0400 From: "Neal Jennings" Subject: Re: Single #2 > Not always does a video accompany a single. She has released "Weight" and "Duncan" as singles to radio stations. That I know of because they are on the radio promo disks I have. Not sure if a video is being done for Duncan, I hope so though. Somehow I doubt it, considering she's working on a new album... Anyone know if Sarah's ever released ANY commercial singles??? The only thing that even vaguely resembles a single I can find is the Night Bugs sampler... Even Sweet Ones got radio play but I never saw a commercial single for it... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: BOUNCE navy-soup@smoe.org: Non-member submission from [Yaron ] (fwd) Soupers: Please send mail from the address with which you are subscribed to navy-soup. - - Julian - -- [ Julian C. Dunn * ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian/ * PGP: 0xFDC205B9 ] [ "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose / and most times ] [ you choose between the two" - carole king, "sweet seasons" ] - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:11:55 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org To: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: BOUNCE navy-soup@smoe.org: Non-member submission from [Yaron ] Received: from mxout3.netvision.net.il (mxout3.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.24]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5BJBr75027928 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yar ([212.235.105.3]) by mxout3.netvision.net.il (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HGB00B3FZZR47@mxout3.netvision.net.il> for navy-soup@smoe.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:11:51 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:10:07 +0200 From: Yaron Subject: RE: Single #2 In-reply-to: <003101c3304a$0cfd5cf0$6400a8c0@Neal> To: navy-soup@smoe.org Message-id: <000801c33055$744de040$0401c80a@yar> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.6 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Nope. No singles (or b-sides) were released by Sarah :-/, afaik. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org [mailto:owner-navy-soup@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Neal Jennings Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 20:47 To: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: Re: Single #2 > Not always does a video accompany a single. She has released "Weight" and "Duncan" as singles to radio stations. That I know of because they are on the radio promo disks I have. Not sure if a video is being done for Duncan, I hope so though. Somehow I doubt it, considering she's working on a new album... Anyone know if Sarah's ever released ANY commercial singles??? The only thing that even vaguely resembles a single I can find is the Night Bugs sampler... Even Sweet Ones got radio play but I never saw a commercial single for it... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:54:23 +0200 From: Yaron Subject: RE: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection Got a link to that article, James? I don't know "Paul's Blog" :) Thanks, Yaron. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org [mailto:owner-navy-soup@smoe.org] On Behalf Of James McGarry Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 14:44 To: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: Re: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian C. Dunn" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:02 AM > It's clear that the record companies still have their collective heads > in the sand over the fact that their business model DOES NOT WORK. I Too true. I do have a faith in people that most people would be happy to pay for the music, if they didn't feel they were being ripped off. Like two good songs on a 10 song album thats 17.99. And the sad fact that the artist who created the music might get about $1 of that. And don't even get me started on how much digital versions of albums cost. :-) > don't really see how alienating your consumers is going to sell more There's a good article on Paul's Blog about what the actual downturn in music sales is all about and its not about downloading. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:12:53 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yaron" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: RE: Really OT: Radiohead and Copy Protection > Got a link to that article, James? I don't know "Paul's Blog" :) Paul, as in Paul Schreiber. Anyway... Here ya go...: http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?print_page=y§ion_id=2&article_id=453&page_number=1&preview= James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:57:19 +0200 From: Yaron Subject: FW: Single #2 Sadly, no singles (or b-sides) were released by Sarah :-/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org [mailto:owner-navy-soup@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Neal Jennings Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 20:47 To: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: Re: Single #2 > Not always does a video accompany a single. She has released "Weight" and "Duncan" as singles to radio stations. That I know of because they are on the radio promo disks I have. Not sure if a video is being done for Duncan, I hope so though. Somehow I doubt it, considering she's working on a new album... Anyone know if Sarah's ever released ANY commercial singles??? The only thing that even vaguely resembles a single I can find is the Night Bugs sampler... Even Sweet Ones got radio play but I never saw a commercial single for it... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:59:08 +0200 From: Yaron Subject: Sarah playing at Honens 2003 competition (Calgary)! Hello fellow soupers, I just got the Honens newsletter in the mail. Usually, I toss it on my desk and read it whenever I'm bored, but this time I felt like reading it right away so I read about the 2003 piano competition and all of a sudden I see a picture of Sarah (from Night Bugs) reading: Closing Gala November 7, 7 pm Roundup Centre, Stampede Park Our search comes to an exhilarating climax with the announcement of the 2003 Honens laureates, award presentations, and an evening of food, drink and performances by favourites from past Honens A440 concerts, Sarah Slean and John Stetch. So it seems that Sarah is playing at the closing gala (not participating in the competition). I checked www.honens.com and didn't find any specific mentioning of Sarah, but you can get tickets information there - seems like reserved seating so maybe you Calgarians can get good seats if you order in advance. It doesn't look cheap, but at least you got a long time to save for it ;). Sarah will definitely be playing a real piano, which is a wonderful sight! No telling how long the set will be though. That would be all ;) Yaron. ------------------------------ End of navy-soup-digest V6 #88 ******************************