From: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org (navy-soup-digest) To: navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Subject: navy-soup-digest V5 #55 Reply-To: navy-soup@smoe.org Sender: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk navy-soup-digest Saturday, March 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 055 In This Digest: ----------------- observations on "Weight" ["Kelly Goodlad" ] Re: Slean in America [Paul Schreiber ] Re: Bonus CD [Paul Schreiber ] OAC: Remy Shand ["Kyall Glennie" ] Re: hi..this is alex [What? Management ] Off topic ["Sophie" ] RE: Off topic ["Bartholomew, Bill" ] Re: Off topic ["Alex" ] Re: Off topic ["James McGarry" ] charts ["Alex" ] Re: Off topic ["Jon Wes" ] Re: Slean in America ["Jon Wes" ] RE: Off topic ["Kelly Goodlad" ] Re: Slean in America [badly drawn woj ] Re: Slean in America ["Tab Siddiqui" ] California [Songbird22@aol.com] Re: observations on "Weight" [kroberts@connect.ab.ca] paticently waiting ["Gabriell Rickard" ] RE: Re: Slean in America ["Rob Tittel" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:27:19 -0500 From: "Kelly Goodlad" Subject: observations on "Weight" Okay...have you guys *really* listened to the old "Weight" and the new "Weight" back to back? It's like listening to two completely different people. Really. If you're just going on memory, (as I obviously was up til tonight :)) you must go listen to them back to back. She almost seems older in the 1997 version...more serious. On the other hand, it's like she's found herself now. I love everything Sarah's doing now, but I think I might slightly prefer the old "Weight" to the new "Weight". It has such a flow to it...it's like driving along a hilly road. ;) Sorry for my red wine ramblings-you probably all figured this out ages ago. :P So, I ordered a second copy of the album through hmv.com on Tuesday, this copy for my Mom, who wanted one after seeing her at Enoch Turner...I ordered it online hoping for the postcards, but lo and behold, not only did I not get the postcards, I didn't get the bonus CD either. Oh well! Anyone else have the same surprise? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:22:17 -0800 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: Slean in America woj asked: >hmmm. is it uncommon for a canadian artist to be signed to one label in >canada and another label in the states? i can't think of any examples, but >i'm not as versed with this stuff as most. off the top of my head: sarah mclachlan is on nettwerk in canada and arista in the US sarah harmer is on rounder/zoe/universal (aaah, not sure what's what) tara maclean is on nettwerk in canada and was on capitol in the US Paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / "Never retreat, never explain, never apologize -- get the thing done and let them howl." -- Nellie McClung ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:22:07 -0800 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: Bonus CD Yaron wrote: > A review of Night Bugs, alone with some other new CD's: > http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2002/03/1901.cfm My fave line from the review: I9m not exactly sure into which radio formats Warner is going to try slotting these gems ("You9re listening to C-CAB all cabaret, all the time!"), but they deserve a wide airing. Paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / "People on ruglist who've been 'Burns fans for ages and their attitude toward Jewel is ... interesting. Sorta like a wise old man, but in a drunk Rugburns kinda way." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:57:15 -0600 From: "Kyall Glennie" Subject: OAC: Remy Shand hey folks, even though this week has been awesome for Slean-related postings, I couldn't restrain myself from adding an off-topic post. :) Remy Shand... WOW. I thought I'd check him out and I'm so happy I did. He's awesome! He's the Maxwell Maxwell would be if he wouldn't have become so mainstream R&B because of R Kelly (Re: "Fortunate".) Sounds like Jamiroquai, Maxwell, a little Lenny Kravitz, etc. Awesome groovy tunes. PLUS HMV.com seems to have either a generous heart today or a computer glitch - the album is on for $9.99 CDN at last check (US folks: that's like $6.00+)... I just ordered it with standard shipping and taxes for under $15 bucks. It's going to be playing constantly today, which is a shame because I expect "Night Bugs" to also show up today. :) Check him out... lends us prairie white boys who think we have soul some cred. :P kyall _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:27:59 -0500 From: What? Management Subject: Re: hi..this is alex Thanks for the update, Tab. Man, I love that CD of hers. From: "Tab Siddiqui" Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:10:26 To: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: Re: hi..this is alex James wrote: >P.P.S. To Tab (though anyone else feel free), speaking of multi-lingual >singer-songwriters whatever happened to Lhasa? Ah, Lhasa de Sela... Wow, blast from the past. Some of you might remember her from the first Lilith Fair in Toronto... Last I heard, she was travelling and 'recording', nothing beyond that other than a duet on French singer Arthur H's 2000 album "Pour Madame X", and appearing at her mom's photo exhibit in Montreal last year. Would actually love to hear another album from her - the first was jus loaded with promise. - - Tab :) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:39:25 -0500 From: "Sophie" Subject: Off topic Hey all, I'm looking for suggestions on a "dark" song sung by a male. Nothing hard rock, more along the lines of Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man/U2 - Velvet Dress or Love is Blindness/Radiohead - Climbing up the Walls. Appreciate any ideas! Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:56:13 -0500 From: "Bartholomew, Bill" Subject: RE: Off topic "knoxville girl" - the lemonheads sounds chipper and upbeat, but topic-wise, it doesn't get much darker. if the mood of the song is what you're looking for, try "a man needs a maid" by neil young, or just about anything off of the bruce springsteen albums "nebraska" and "the ghost of tom joad." the former, especially, has some hard hitting pieces (title track, "mansion on the hill," "highway patrolman"). just some quick suggestions, bill b > ---------- > From: Sophie[SMTP:sophie197@attbi.com] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:39 PM > To: navy-soup@smoe.org > Subject: Off topic > > Hey all, > > I'm looking for suggestions on a "dark" song sung by a male. Nothing hard > rock, more along the lines of Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man/U2 - Velvet > Dress > or Love is Blindness/Radiohead - Climbing up the Walls. > > Appreciate any ideas! > > Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:11:08 +0100 From: "Alex" Subject: Re: Off topic Hi ! I really advice you Perry Blake songs! especially "hunchback of San Francisco". This not very famous but very talented singer wrote many brilliant songs. Is there any fans of him here? Alex http://www.hiddenplace.net http://jewel.free.fr http://www.islande.org/islande - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sophie" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:39 PM Subject: Off topic > Hey all, > > I'm looking for suggestions on a "dark" song sung by a male. Nothing hard > rock, more along the lines of Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man/U2 - Velvet Dress > or Love is Blindness/Radiohead - Climbing up the Walls. > > Appreciate any ideas! > > Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:13:12 -0500 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: Off topic - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sophie" > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:39 PM > > I'm looking for suggestions on a "dark" song sung by a male. Nothing hard > > rock, more along the lines of Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man/U2 - Velvet > Dress > > or Love is Blindness/Radiohead - Climbing up the Walls. Almost _anything_ by Nick Drake (Saturday Sun, Been Smoking Too Long, Broken Earth). Almost anything by Ron Sexsmith (Thumbelina Farewell) Almost anything by Tom Waites David Bowie - Wild is the Wind. Tory Cassis - Same Painful Story, Such a Crime, You Never Will, It Never Hurts to Ask, As the Days Are Long Ben Lee - I Wish I were Him Ben Folds - Brick Ben Harper - Pain and Pleasure Jacques Brel - Ne Me Quitte Pas (Don't Leave Me) Some of Duncan Shiek's stuff... What mood are you looking for? Hope this helps! James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:42:37 +0100 From: "Alex" Subject: charts Hi! my friend from Canada told me that Sarah is #3 in the charts!!! what a great news!!! Alex http://www.hiddenplace.net http://jewel.free.fr http://www.islande.org/islande ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:57:48 -0600 From: "Jon Wes" Subject: Re: Off topic Check out pretty much anything on Tom McRae's album. It's a great album, but it's all pretty dark or at least melancholy. Not sure what dark means exactly. It could be a lot of things. But I'd suggest his album in general. designer/webmaster, Cameron Dezen official site http://www.camerondezen.com Thank You: Dido Online http://tydo.blue-orange.org _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:06:50 -0600 From: "Jon Wes" Subject: Re: Slean in America Yeah, the whole labe thing can get confusing. It does happen a lot. Some other examples are the Heather Nova albums. She's released on V2 in Europe but on Sony in America (well, up until now - I think Sony passed on her newest album South). A lot of times this happens because a record company doesn't have enough of a presence in a certain country in order to effectively market a CD. Like Nettwerk or V2. They went through Arista and Columbia and what not for Sarah Mclachlan and Tara Maclean because at the time they didn't have a choice. Now though they have Nettwerk America and V2 America to release stuff like Coldplay's album or Heather's new album in the states. It is sort of sad that Sarah isn't being released under Atlantic, because it sort of betrays a sense on their part that they don't have much faith in her music. I know the US market is brutal, but as you've all pointed out with the Nickelback example, you never know what could happen. Perhaps it's better this way though. Now she can release it in the states to a company that beleives in her music enough to stand by it in the US. designer/webmaster, Cameron Dezen official site http://www.camerondezen.com Thank You: Dido Online http://tydo.blue-orange.org _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:48:29 -0500 From: "Kelly Goodlad" Subject: RE: Off topic > > I'm looking for suggestions on a "dark" song sung by a male. Nothing >hard rock, more along the lines of Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man/U2 - Velvet >Dress or Love is Blindness/Radiohead - Climbing up the Walls. What's it for? Nick Drake sings some really beautiful dark stuff, and so does Tom Waites. Even a few of Jeff Buckley's songs might work. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:32:04 -0500 From: badly drawn woj Subject: Re: Slean in America when we last left our heroes, Jon Wes exclaimed: >Yeah, the whole labe thing can get confusing. It does happen a lot. Some >other examples are the Heather Nova albums. She's released on V2 in Europe >but on Sony in America (well, up until now - I think Sony passed on her >newest album South). well, i was specifically asking about canadian artists who are signed to separate labels in canada and the states. i can think of several examples of european artists (or american artists who got their inital releases on european labels, i.e.. nearly all the americanos on 4ad) on different labels in europe and the united states (and, often, said artists will be on the same label in europe and canada), but was specifically curious about canadian artists who had ended up on different labels in the states for whatever reason. >A lot of times this happens because a record company doesn't have enough >of a presence in a certain country in order to effectively market a CD. >Like Nettwerk or V2. They went through Arista and Columbia and what not >for Sarah Mclachlan and Tara Maclean because at the time they didn't have >a choice. my understanding is that nettwerk licensed sarah mclachlan's albums (well, the earlier ones anyway) to arista, not that she negotiated a separate deal with arista. dunno what the deal with tara maclean is though. >It is sort of sad that Sarah isn't being released under Atlantic, because >it sort of betrays a sense on their part that they don't have much faith >in her music. take into account that things have changed significantly in all aspects of the business since sarah was signed to atlantic. also note that atlantic jettisoned several bigger names in the past few months; some by choice, such as tori amos, and some unexpectedly, such as poe. so, i'm not surprised at all that this has happened...but i don't think it's a betrayal, per se. the industry is a business and the market has changed in great ways so taking chances on albums that probably won't sell a whole lot isn't something any labels is going to do these days. that is, they haven't lost faith in sarah's music as much as they've lost faith in risk. i guess that's kind of sad, but i'm guess i'm also fairly used to major label behavior and come to expect it. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 00:44:16 From: "Tab Siddiqui" Subject: Re: Slean in America woj wrote: >my understanding is that nettwerk licensed sarah mclachlan's albums (well, >the earlier ones anyway) to arista, not that she negotiated a separate deal >with arista. dunno what the deal with tara maclean is >though. Same thing... They didn't feel they had the resources at the time to do a big U.S. release for either artist. Luckily for them, the Arista thing in Sarah's case has worked out well. Tara's no longer on Capitol, however, so it'll be interesting to see what Nettwerk does in terms of a U.S. release for her next album. The 'Nettwerk America' label,when it began, wasn't really their American arm, but rather a secondary label for US releases of overseas artists, such as the recent Neil Finn release, but it's now morphed into more of an actual US arm of the main label, where they'll be doing US releases of Canadian artists on their own roster, such as the Be Good Tanyas and Martina Sorbara. So I assume someone like Tara will end up releasing her next album under that imprint as well. But maybe not - if Nettwerk can score her a solid US-label American release, they will. But I doubt that'll happen in the current climate. >>It is sort of sad that Sarah isn't being released under Atlantic, because >>it sort of betrays a sense on their part that they don't have >>much faith >>in her music. > >take into account that things have changed significantly in all aspects of >the business since sarah was signed to atlantic. also note >that atlantic >jettisoned several bigger names in the past few months; >some by choice, >such as tori amos, and some unexpectedly, such as poe. >so, i'm not >surprised at all that this has happened...but i don't >think it's a >betrayal, per se. the industry is a business and the >market has changed in >great ways so taking chances on albums that >probably won't sell a whole >lot isn't something any labels is going to >do these days. that is, they >haven't lost faith in sarah's music as >much as they've lost faith in risk. I agree, absolutely. As disappointing as it is that Atlantic, with its big name and major muscle behind it, won't be releasing Sarah's album in the US, the fact that they were upfront about not being ready to channel the resources into it necessary for it to suceed, and giving her their blessing to shop it elsewhere, is pretty rare and indicates that they in fact *do* have faith in her music. It seems like a purely business decision, and that's what the major labels are about - they're in the *business* of making money. - - Tab :) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:51:55 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: California Does anyone have the complete lyrics to this song... I know I read the partial lyrics once, but I was wondering if anyone had all of them yet... ? Thanks, Jess www.jessicaweiser.com <-- re-designed New album AFTER SILENCE available 4/30/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:18:52 +0700 From: kroberts@connect.ab.ca Subject: Re: observations on "Weight" Actually, I got the CD at HMV today, and I got the bonus CD with it. Unfortunately, no postcards, which would have been really cool! I've only listened to it once and I really like it! I think that St. Francis is just beautiful, along with the new Weight (just a question - it says that Sarah plays the cello in it, and maybe I'm just deaf, but where exactly is there a cello in the song?). I love the new Eliot, especially the last bit where it gets all crazy with the vocals, and then the violin bit at the end. I think Dark Room is beautiful, too short! I think there could have been a little bit more action in it, but it's just a beautiful song. I heard Bank Accounts on the internet, and I think it's sort of like Sweet Ones, just a fun song! I'm still getting used to Drastic Measures, I know that I will though. :) And Duncan is really great. I love the piano part in it! Anyway, that's all I can think of off the top of my head! I've already lent out my sample CD to a friend for the weekend! It's funny, I made a tape of Sarah for a girl at school just last week and she came with me today to get the CD and she just had to buy it too! :) Well, I think I'll listen to it repeatedly over the weekend! :) Have a good one! Kristilyn >Okay...have you guys *really* listened to the old "Weight" and the new >"Weight" back to back? It's like listening to two completely different >people. Really. If you're just going on memory, (as I obviously was up til >tonight :)) you must go listen to them back to back. She almost seems older >in the 1997 version...more serious. On the other hand, it's like she's found >herself now. I love everything Sarah's doing now, but I think I might >slightly prefer the old "Weight" to the new "Weight". It has such a flow to >it...it's like driving along a hilly road. ;) > >Sorry for my red wine ramblings-you probably all figured this out ages ago. >:P > >So, I ordered a second copy of the album through hmv.com on Tuesday, this >copy for my Mom, who wanted one after seeing her at Enoch Turner...I ordered >it online hoping for the postcards, but lo and behold, not only did I not >get the postcards, I didn't get the bonus CD either. Oh well! Anyone else >have the same surprise? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > http://netwinsite.com/dbabble/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:18:44 -0500 From: "Gabriell Rickard" Subject: paticently waiting ...for my copy of night bugs to come all this talk has got dying with anticipation "everyones buzzing about night bugs!" hehe so now the albums out - when do we get to see her play? - -xo gabe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:02:25 -0800 From: "Rob Tittel" Subject: RE: Re: Slean in America So all this talk begs the simple (and probably obvious) question: If these major labels do not feel they have the resources to commit to marketing a particular artist, why did they sign them in the first place? Seems like a big waste of a whole lot of people's time. Maybe I'm oversimplifying here, but if Atlantic never intended to release Sarah's CD in the U.S. or get some serious financial muscle behind promoting it, why did they even bother to sign her? Just thinking out loud, Rob >--- Original Message --- >From: "Tab Siddiqui" >To: woj@smoe.org, navy-soup@smoe.org >Date: 3/22/02 7:44:16 PM > >woj wrote: > >>my understanding is that nettwerk licensed sarah mclachlan's albums (well, >>the earlier ones anyway) to arista, not that she negotiated a separate deal >>with arista. dunno what the deal with tara maclean is >though. > >Same thing... They didn't feel they had the resources at the time to do a >big U.S. release for either artist. Luckily for them, the Arista thing in >Sarah's case has worked out well. Tara's no longer on Capitol, however, so >it'll be interesting to see what Nettwerk does in terms of a U.S. release >for her next album. The 'Nettwerk America' label,when it began, wasn't >really their American arm, but rather a secondary label for US releases of >overseas artists, such as the recent Neil Finn release, but it's now morphed >into more of an actual US arm of the main label, where they'll be doing US >releases of Canadian artists on their own roster, such as the Be Good Tanyas >and Martina Sorbara. So I assume someone like Tara will end up releasing >her next album under that imprint as well. But maybe not - if Nettwerk can >score her a solid US-label American release, they will. But I doubt that'll >happen in the current climate. > >>>It is sort of sad that Sarah isn't being released under Atlantic, because >>>it sort of betrays a sense on their part that they don't have >>much faith >>>in her music. >> >>take into account that things have changed significantly in all aspects of >>the business since sarah was signed to atlantic. also note >that atlantic >>jettisoned several bigger names in the past few months; >some by choice, >>such as tori amos, and some unexpectedly, such as poe. >so, i'm not >>surprised at all that this has happened...but i don't >think it's a >>betrayal, per se. the industry is a business and the >market has changed in >>great ways so taking chances on albums that >probably won't sell a whole >>lot isn't something any labels is going to >do these days. that is, they >>haven't lost faith in sarah's music as >much as they've lost faith in risk. > >I agree, absolutely. As disappointing as it is that Atlantic, with its big >name and major muscle behind it, won't be releasing Sarah's album in the US, >the fact that they were upfront about not being ready to channel the >resources into it necessary for it to suceed, and giving her their blessing >to shop it elsewhere, is pretty rare and indicates that they in fact *do* >have faith in her music. It seems like a purely business decision, and >that's what the major labels are about - they're in the *business* of making >money. > >- Tab :) > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of navy-soup-digest V5 #55 ******************************