From: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org (navy-soup-digest) To: navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Subject: navy-soup-digest V4 #71 Reply-To: navy-soup@smoe.org Sender: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk navy-soup-digest Wednesday, July 18 2001 Volume 04 : Number 071 In This Digest: ----------------- Re: ... album track listing ... ["Julian C. Dunn" ] Sarah's "new voice" ["Kelly Goodlad" ] Re: EP: Available everywhere? [Leon van Stuivenberg ] LYW = Hidden Track ["spark" ] RE: ... album track listing ... ["Gina" ] Re: Sarah's "new voice" ["b g" ] Re: ... album track listing ... [Songbird22@aol.com] Re: Sarah's "new voice" ["James McGarry" ] RE: Sarah's "new voice" ["Chris C / iCE" ] The new VOICE! ["Eric Winchell" ] Sarah's EP ["tara" ] Re: Sarah's EP [Adam Lynch ] RE: The new VOICE! ["Jarita" ] Re: Sarah's EP ["dario michaels" ] Re: Sarah's EP ["Eric Winchell" ] Re: Sarah's EP ["Julian C. Dunn" ] new voice..yadda yadda ["Lindi Ortega" ] Re: Sarah's EP ["James McGarry" ] Re: Sarah's EP ["James McGarry" ] one last comment ["Lindi Ortega" ] Re: Sarah's EP [Jennifer.M.Pease.00@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Jennifer M. Pease] Re: new voice..yadda yadda ["Kelly Goodlad" ] Re: what is that one????? ["Kelly Goodlad" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: Re: ... album track listing ... On 18-Jul-2001 Jennifer M. Pease 00 wrote: > --- "Kyall Glennie" wrote: > Sarah`s voice sounds very much changed... > --- end of quote --- > > Yesssss.... it has. > > I bought the EP tonight on my way home from work and after a couple of > listens I have to say that her voice sounds REALLY different on that > "Book Smart, Street Stupid" song (also on the new "Eliot") and I can't > really say I like it. She sounds like one of those old, old ladies > singing hymns next to you in church -- voice all wobbly and stuff... I > just don't get it. Is it trying to be vibrato? Or just an attempt at a > "unique" sound? Was she deathly sick when recording this?? Or is it I was going to write in and say that I don't like it either, but it looks like someone else has beat me to it and shares my opinion. I think there are two 'problems' with the vocals; first, it seems like either she's doing a lot of vibrato, or whoever produced it added a lot after the fact, and secondly, a lot of the vocals seem to be doubly-recorded, i.e. it sounds like she recorded them twice and overlaid the voices. I can't say that I like it. I much prefer the angelic voice of Sarah that we've all grown to know and love. - - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com * WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/ ] [ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ ] [N++/N! cd350 pr++ g+++ S-/S *x++ Fa+++/Fa$/Fa! m1 b+ fc+++/ E>+ rl-- *d s!] [ "90% of a solution to a problem is a scapegoat" ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:11:36 -0400 From: "Kelly Goodlad" Subject: Sarah's "new voice" Hi guys! When I saw Sarah perform live back in March, she performed with this so-called 'new' voice, and my first thought was "what have the record companies done to her?" But a few songs into her performance, I thought "No, this is much better." She doesn't sound meek now. Listening to the sampler EP, it's very evident how much more personality is in her voice now. She sounds like the old soul that she probably is :) (judging by the kinds of things she writes about). She's just playing it up more, that's all, and I think that's a good thing. >From: "Julian C. Dunn" >To: navy-soup@smoe.org >Subject: Re: ... album track listing ... >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:46 -0400 (EDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD1E61C90085400437504259C94E91760; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:55:44 -0700 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by smoe.org >(8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id AAA15584;Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:47 >-0400 (EDT) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:45 -0400 >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id >AAA15560for navy-soup-outgoing; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:13 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from aquarius.aquezada.com (cr289522-a.ym1.on.wave.home.com >[24.102.87.140]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id >AAA15553 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:08 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from jupiter.acf.aquezada.com (jupiter [192.168.5.5]) by >aquarius.aquezada.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E4CB2E5 for >; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:48 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from jdunn@localhost) by jupiter.acf.aquezada.com >(8.11.0/8.11.0/aquezada-jupiter) id f6I4okJ27223 for navy-soup@smoe.org; >Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:46 -0400 >From owner-navy-soup@smoe.org Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:56:30 -0700 >Message-ID: >X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.0 on Linux >In-Reply-To: <18492316@sneezy.Dartmouth.ORG> >X-Face: %*.F!K#`0&;M^0AiDH.>-twy^j2[V{11:%R@6A~sj26H$^}7B[ez9tB`&D'j-?}e >X%;o|YO >zn1jl&;})pyN.}i.gv~S>>u%=={3PJMI3.pcaQ0l#E.S0(xHJKhmW#]CMP}ue"&PsW=q&T >l8C&g)AT ;<9dD2"Z|$ElOrganization: Aquezada Productions >Sender: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk > >On 18-Jul-2001 Jennifer M. Pease 00 wrote: > > --- "Kyall Glennie" wrote: > > Sarah`s voice sounds very much changed... > > --- end of quote --- > > > > Yesssss.... it has. > > > > I bought the EP tonight on my way home from work and after a couple of > > listens I have to say that her voice sounds REALLY different on that > > "Book Smart, Street Stupid" song (also on the new "Eliot") and I can't > > really say I like it. She sounds like one of those old, old ladies > > singing hymns next to you in church -- voice all wobbly and stuff... I > > just don't get it. Is it trying to be vibrato? Or just an attempt at a > > "unique" sound? Was she deathly sick when recording this?? Or is it > >I was going to write in and say that I don't like it either, but it looks >like >someone else has beat me to it and shares my opinion. I think there are two >'problems' with the vocals; first, it seems like either she's doing a lot >of >vibrato, or whoever produced it added a lot after the fact, and secondly, a >lot >of the vocals seem to be doubly-recorded, i.e. it sounds like she recorded >them >twice and overlaid the voices. I can't say that I like it. I much prefer >the >angelic voice of Sarah that we've all grown to know and love. > >- Julian > >[ Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com * WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/ >] >[ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ >] >[N++/N! cd350 pr++ g+++ S-/S *x++ Fa+++/Fa$/Fa! m1 b+ fc+++/ E>+ rl-- *d >s!] >[ "90% of a solution to a problem is a scapegoat" >] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:13:09 +0200 From: Leon van Stuivenberg Subject: Re: EP: Available everywhere? > after work to see if they had it. No only did they not, but it wasn't even > listed in their system as a new or forthcoming release. Disappointing, to > say the least. Maybe I can get my brother to bring a copy from London, ON > when he comes to visit next week. :/ what about ordering it simply at amazon.com? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:41:13 -0500 From: "spark" Subject: LYW = Hidden Track Yes. I've decided that. ;) Sarah loves hidden tracks and she wouldn't leave out Last Year's War. Thus, it will be a hidden track on the new album. The end! ;) [Wishful thinking? I hope not..] - - Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:53:56 -0400 From: "Gina" Subject: RE: ... album track listing ... I am in agreement. I went up to see Sarah awhile ago (maybe March) and she did do some songs in this voice. She was also _really_ strange; almost not-all-there. She still did Blue Parade beautifully, though. And I really like "Me, I'm a thief". Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan.. I listened to Universe for about a year and a half before Blue Parade came out. But I don't think I am going to get the EP, just from listening to the RA's on Atlantic's site. They sound like Atlantic stuck a syringe into Sarah's songs and drew out the subtlety and heart. :( - -----Original Message----- From: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org [mailto:owner-navy-soup@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Julian C. Dunn Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:51 AM To: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: Re: ... album track listing ... I was going to write in and say that I don't like it either, but it looks like someone else has beat me to it and shares my opinion. I think there are two 'problems' with the vocals; first, it seems like either she's doing a lot of vibrato, or whoever produced it added a lot after the fact, and secondly, a lot of the vocals seem to be doubly-recorded, i.e. it sounds like she recorded them twice and overlaid the voices. I can't say that I like it. I much prefer the angelic voice of Sarah that we've all grown to know and love. - - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com * WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/ ] [ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ ] [N++/N! cd350 pr++ g+++ S-/S *x++ Fa+++/Fa$/Fa! m1 b+ fc+++/ E>+ rl-- *d s!] [ "90% of a solution to a problem is a scapegoat" ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:16:11 +0400 From: "b g" Subject: Re: Sarah's "new voice" Hello everyone. I'm a big-time lurker...I decided to crawl out of the shadows when I read about all this "new voice" contraversey. The human voice is a very flexible instrument...so I see the Ms.Slean is just experimenting with new ways to use her wonderful instrument. Perhaps she was influenced by her producer, Hawksley Workman? Anyhow, it's not any company's, producer's or whatever evil force's fault...it's not even _a_ fault. I don't think we should discourage the woman for chartering new territories with her voice, maybe she was inhibited by the anticipation of just such a negative reaction, that she didn't try singing this way before. Maybe, perhaps, it's possible that...okay, I'll stop postulating now and go back to my warm cave. Zeina >From: "Kelly Goodlad" >To: jdunn@aquezada.com, navy-soup@smoe.org >Subject: Sarah's "new voice" >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:11:36 -0400 > >Hi guys! > >When I saw Sarah perform live back in March, she performed with this >so-called 'new' voice, and my first thought was "what have the record >companies done to her?" But a few songs into her performance, I thought >"No, this is much better." She doesn't sound meek now. Listening to the >sampler EP, it's very evident how much more personality is in her voice >now. > She sounds like the old soul that she probably is :) (judging by the >kinds >of things she writes about). She's just playing it up more, that's all, and >I think that's a good thing. > > > > >>From: "Julian C. Dunn" >>To: navy-soup@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: ... album track listing ... >>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:46 -0400 (EDT) >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailBD1E61C90085400437504259C94E91760; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:55:44 -0700 >>Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by smoe.org >>(8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id AAA15584;Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:47 >>-0400 (EDT) >>Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:45 -0400 >>Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id >>AAA15560for navy-soup-outgoing; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:13 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from aquarius.aquezada.com (cr289522-a.ym1.on.wave.home.com >>[24.102.87.140]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id >>AAA15553 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:08 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from jupiter.acf.aquezada.com (jupiter [192.168.5.5]) by >>aquarius.aquezada.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E4CB2E5 for >>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:48 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: (from jdunn@localhost) by jupiter.acf.aquezada.com >>(8.11.0/8.11.0/aquezada-jupiter) id f6I4okJ27223 for navy-soup@smoe.org; >>Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:46 -0400 >>From owner-navy-soup@smoe.org Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:56:30 -0700 >>Message-ID: >>X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.0 on Linux >>In-Reply-To: <18492316@sneezy.Dartmouth.ORG> >>X-Face: %*.F!K#`0&;M^0AiDH.>-twy^j2[V{11:%R@6A~sj26H$^}7B[ez9tB`&D'j-?}e >>X%;o|YO >>zn1jl&;})pyN.}i.gv~S>>u%=={3PJMI3.pcaQ0l#E.S0(xHJKhmW#]CMP}ue"&PsW=q&T >>l8C&g)AT >>;<9dD2"Z|$El>Organization: Aquezada Productions >>Sender: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >>Precedence: bulk >> >>On 18-Jul-2001 Jennifer M. Pease 00 wrote: >> > --- "Kyall Glennie" wrote: >> > Sarah`s voice sounds very much changed... >> > --- end of quote --- >> > >> > Yesssss.... it has. >> > >> > I bought the EP tonight on my way home from work and after a couple of >> > listens I have to say that her voice sounds REALLY different on that >> > "Book Smart, Street Stupid" song (also on the new "Eliot") and I can't >> > really say I like it. She sounds like one of those old, old ladies >> > singing hymns next to you in church -- voice all wobbly and stuff... I >> > just don't get it. Is it trying to be vibrato? Or just an attempt at >>a >> > "unique" sound? Was she deathly sick when recording this?? Or is it >> >>I was going to write in and say that I don't like it either, but it looks >>like >>someone else has beat me to it and shares my opinion. I think there are >>two >>'problems' with the vocals; first, it seems like either she's doing a lot >>of >>vibrato, or whoever produced it added a lot after the fact, and secondly, >>a >>lot >>of the vocals seem to be doubly-recorded, i.e. it sounds like she recorded >>them >>twice and overlaid the voices. I can't say that I like it. I much prefer >>the >>angelic voice of Sarah that we've all grown to know and love. >> >>- Julian >> >>[ Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com * WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/ >>] >>[ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ >>] >>[N++/N! cd350 pr++ g+++ S-/S *x++ Fa+++/Fa$/Fa! m1 b+ fc+++/ E>+ rl-- *d >>s!] >>[ "90% of a solution to a problem is a scapegoat" >>] > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:18:35 EDT From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: Re: ... album track listing ... Julian writes: > twice and overlaid the voices. I can't say that I like it. I much prefer the > angelic voice of Sarah that we've all grown to know and love. I agree with you guys as well, but I was too scared to say anything before... I didn't really like the new songs but I couldn't pinpoint exactly why I didn't like them... I've got nothing but respect for Sarah and her music... One of the new songs grew on me a bit, but I don't know when I'll get the EP... might just wait for the LP... jessica www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:37:42 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: Sarah's "new voice" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Goodlad" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:11 AM > When I saw Sarah perform live back in March, she performed with this > so-called 'new' voice, and my first thought was "what have the record > companies done to her?" But a few songs into her performance, I thought > "No, this is much better." She doesn't sound meek now. Listening to the > sampler EP, it's very evident how much more personality is in her voice now. > She sounds like the old soul that she probably is :) (judging by the kinds > of things she writes about). She's just playing it up more, that's all, and > I think that's a good thing. And the playing it up is very much in the Hawksley Workman style. She's still the same Sarah... Hawksley is just... larger than life, at least on stage. *sigh* He's what Robin Black wishes he was... a "Rockstar". Last year's Hillside Festival (which y'all in the Toronto area should go to since I will be away this year and I neeeeed lots of reports) Hawksley seemed constrained by the largest stage on the island. He's a machine! And this is really in the end the sort of sound Sarah wanted... I hope I'm not giving anything away when I say, I don't think the 'suits' were all to happy with the choice of Mr. Workman as producer, he's not typical of the sort of first major label producer a "singer/songwriter" chooses (or gets assigned). To be fair, if I were in _their_ shoes I'd've pressed for someone like Pierre Marchand or Peter Asher, or if you wanted to go a bit quirky, Daniel Lanois. Someone with the ability to make... bank accounts; and not some nutbar who just loves music and the making thereof. YMMV, James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:39:08 -0400 From: "Chris C / iCE" Subject: RE: Sarah's "new voice" I have read a couple reviews in which she is mentioned to have a 'limited range' in both Universe and Blue Parade. It's possible that she was told of this and tried to push herself to new highs and lows in her major label debut. You can applaud an effort to expand horizons, but not _everyone_ has to like what you've done. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org [mailto:owner-navy-soup@smoe.org]On Behalf Of b g Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:16 AM To: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: Re: Sarah's "new voice" Hello everyone. I'm a big-time lurker...I decided to crawl out of the shadows when I read about all this "new voice" contraversey. The human voice is a very flexible instrument...so I see the Ms.Slean is just experimenting with new ways to use her wonderful instrument. Perhaps she was influenced by her producer, Hawksley Workman? Anyhow, it's not any company's, producer's or whatever evil force's fault...it's not even _a_ fault. I don't think we should discourage the woman for chartering new territories with her voice, maybe she was inhibited by the anticipation of just such a negative reaction, that she didn't try singing this way before. Maybe, perhaps, it's possible that...okay, I'll stop postulating now and go back to my warm cave. Zeina >From: "Kelly Goodlad" >To: jdunn@aquezada.com, navy-soup@smoe.org >Subject: Sarah's "new voice" >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:11:36 -0400 > >Hi guys! > >When I saw Sarah perform live back in March, she performed with this >so-called 'new' voice, and my first thought was "what have the record >companies done to her?" But a few songs into her performance, I thought >"No, this is much better." She doesn't sound meek now. Listening to the >sampler EP, it's very evident how much more personality is in her voice >now. > She sounds like the old soul that she probably is :) (judging by the >kinds >of things she writes about). She's just playing it up more, that's all, and >I think that's a good thing. > > > > >>From: "Julian C. Dunn" >>To: navy-soup@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: ... album track listing ... >>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:46 -0400 (EDT) >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailBD1E61C90085400437504259C94E91760; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:55:44 -0700 >>Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by smoe.org >>(8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id AAA15584;Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:47 >>-0400 (EDT) >>Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:45 -0400 >>Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id >>AAA15560for navy-soup-outgoing; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:13 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from aquarius.aquezada.com (cr289522-a.ym1.on.wave.home.com >>[24.102.87.140]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id >>AAA15553 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:49:08 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from jupiter.acf.aquezada.com (jupiter [192.168.5.5]) by >>aquarius.aquezada.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E4CB2E5 for >>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:48 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: (from jdunn@localhost) by jupiter.acf.aquezada.com >>(8.11.0/8.11.0/aquezada-jupiter) id f6I4okJ27223 for navy-soup@smoe.org; >>Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:50:46 -0400 >>From owner-navy-soup@smoe.org Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:56:30 -0700 >>Message-ID: >>X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.0 on Linux >>In-Reply-To: <18492316@sneezy.Dartmouth.ORG> >>X-Face: %*.F!K#`0&;M^0AiDH.>-twy^j2[V{11:%R@6A~sj26H$^}7B[ez9tB`&D'j-?}e >>X%;o|YO >>zn1jl&;})pyN.}i.gv~S>>u%=={3PJMI3.pcaQ0l#E.S0(xHJKhmW#]CMP}ue"&PsW=q&T >>l8C&g)AT >>;<9dD2"Z|$El>Organization: Aquezada Productions >>Sender: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org >>Precedence: bulk >> >>On 18-Jul-2001 Jennifer M. Pease 00 wrote: >> > --- "Kyall Glennie" wrote: >> > Sarah`s voice sounds very much changed... >> > --- end of quote --- >> > >> > Yesssss.... it has. >> > >> > I bought the EP tonight on my way home from work and after a couple of >> > listens I have to say that her voice sounds REALLY different on that >> > "Book Smart, Street Stupid" song (also on the new "Eliot") and I can't >> > really say I like it. She sounds like one of those old, old ladies >> > singing hymns next to you in church -- voice all wobbly and stuff... I >> > just don't get it. Is it trying to be vibrato? Or just an attempt at >>a >> > "unique" sound? Was she deathly sick when recording this?? Or is it >> >>I was going to write in and say that I don't like it either, but it looks >>like >>someone else has beat me to it and shares my opinion. I think there are >>two >>'problems' with the vocals; first, it seems like either she's doing a lot >>of >>vibrato, or whoever produced it added a lot after the fact, and secondly, >>a >>lot >>of the vocals seem to be doubly-recorded, i.e. it sounds like she recorded >>them >>twice and overlaid the voices. I can't say that I like it. I much prefer >>the >>angelic voice of Sarah that we've all grown to know and love. >> >>- Julian >> >>[ Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com * WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/ >>] >>[ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ >>] >>[N++/N! cd350 pr++ g+++ S-/S *x++ Fa+++/Fa$/Fa! m1 b+ fc+++/ E>+ rl-- *d >>s!] >>[ "90% of a solution to a problem is a scapegoat" >>] > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:24:57 -0400 From: "Eric Winchell" Subject: The new VOICE! I can't really agree that it's a new voice in the first place... sounds like a natural progression and more comfortable to me. Guess I'm in the minority here though.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:15:45 -0400 From: "tara" Subject: Sarah's EP Hi there, I'm Tara - a sort-of-newbie to the list. I've been on it before, but email problems and time have prevented me from joining it again earlier. I appologize if anything in this email has been said already.. :D Anyhoo, can anyone tell me if her EP will be available in the States on July 19th? Or will it be here at a later date? And is there a date for the release of th LP? I was reading the posts about her "new voice" and I have to say, it's not anything new to the album. She's been singing that way live for a while, now. When I first heard her sing this way, I was surprised by it, but then figured it was probably just because she has grown so much as a performer and she's gained more confidence... and this leads to her giving a little more attitude in her singing. I, personally, think it's cute. I dont know if she realizes that her voice has even changed, or if she's doing it on purpose, but if it's natural I'm not going to complain about it. She still has a beautiful voice, and she's still belting out those beautiful lyrics we all know and love. If she IS doing it on purpose, then I would have to say I like her 'normal' voice better. But I, being a singer myself, dont know why anyone would want to purposely change the tone of their voice. Anyway, just my two cents worth. - -tara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:34:20 -0400 From: Adam Lynch Subject: Re: Sarah's EP And thus spoke tara: > Anyhoo, can anyone tell me if her EP will be available in the States on July > 19th? Or will it be here at a later date? And is there a date for the > release of th LP? Tara- I live in Rochester, and I picked it up yesterday. - -- - --- AdamL. alynch@sprawl.net http://sprawl.net Perfection is what we achieve when we lower our standards. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:30:08 -0400 From: "Jarita" Subject: RE: The new VOICE! Actually, I agree with you too... I think Sarah's voice has a lot more depth now and is a lot stronger, I find it quite enjoyable Jarita - -----Original Message----- From: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org [mailto:owner-navy-soup@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Eric Winchell Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:25 AM To: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: The new VOICE! I can't really agree that it's a new voice in the first place... sounds like a natural progression and more comfortable to me. Guess I'm in the minority here though.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:12:54 -0000 From: "dario michaels" Subject: Re: Sarah's EP hey everyone. i noticed the "new voice" too when i last saw sarah at the rivoli in toronto this past march. i thought it was kind of weird initially, but it immediately grew on me and i don't mind it at all now. and to anyone who said earlier that he or she thought sarah was acting kind of "weird" on stage [or something along those lines..i'm totally paraphrasing right now] when they last saw her, i think she's always been that way atleast every time i've seen her live (at least 3 times prior to the march show) and love her on stage personality and i thought she was such a sweetheart when i met her my first time i saw her play. although i do have to admit i am going to miss the "old voice" if sarah continues from now on with this "new voice." whatever she does i still think she's talented no matter how she uses her vocals to perform live and on cd. i love the new e.p. and think it's such a tease that there's only 2 new songs (i guess 3 with the new eliot version) and can't wait for the full-length LP. mike _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:53:41 -0400 From: "Eric Winchell" Subject: Re: Sarah's EP Tara, It's available in the states, yes... some are having problems finding it in the stores but you can get it online without searching. Mine was here Monday from CDNow. I'm no recording expert but the three new songs sound so much better than the indie released stuff! Vocals are in the foreground and the instrument arrangements are awesome... now I can't wait to hear the LP for the songs _and_ for the sound! I like this Hawksley.. someone tell Sarah to keep him around :-) Eric - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tara" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: Sarah's EP > Hi there, I'm Tara - a sort-of-newbie to the list. I've been on it before, > but email problems and time have prevented me from joining it again earlier. > I appologize if anything in this email has been said already.. :D > > Anyhoo, can anyone tell me if her EP will be available in the States on July > 19th? Or will it be here at a later date? And is there a date for the > release of th LP? > > I was reading the posts about her "new voice" and I have to say, it's not > anything new to the album. She's been singing that way live for a while, > now. When I first heard her sing this way, I was surprised by it, but then > figured it was probably just because she has grown so much as a performer > and she's gained more confidence... and this leads to her giving a little > more attitude in her singing. I, personally, think it's cute. I dont know > if she realizes that her voice has even changed, or if she's doing it on > purpose, but if it's natural I'm not going to complain about it. She still > has a beautiful voice, and she's still belting out those beautiful lyrics we > all know and love. If she IS doing it on purpose, then I would have to say > I like her 'normal' voice better. But I, being a singer myself, dont know > why anyone would want to purposely change the tone of their voice. > > Anyway, just my two cents worth. > > -tara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:00:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Julian C. Dunn" Subject: Re: Sarah's EP On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, dario michaels wrote: > hey everyone. i noticed the "new voice" too when i last saw sarah at the > rivoli in toronto this past march. i thought it was kind of weird > initially, but it immediately grew on me and i don't mind it at all now. and I was also at the Rivoli show in question, and I recall noticing her 'new voice' there as well. However, I felt that her use of it diminished as the evening went on, and many of the later songs were sung in a way that I liked better. At the time I simply wrote it off as Sarah wanting to make a strong impression to grab the attention of the listener. I suspect that in part, my complaint has to do with the production (or, in my view, the over-production) of the new songs. This is the second batch of material I've heard coming from the studios of Hawksley Workman, and I don't like what I can only describe as "meddling" with the sound of artists. The other batch of tunes is the recent Tegan and Sara album, which he also produced -- I much prefer T&S's original album, Under Feet Like Ours, because I feel it gives a better representation of how they sound in real life, without the addition of fiddling via expensive studio equipment. But after all, it comes down to an issue of preference for what people want to hear on a studio recording. I personally am a fan of "the more realistic, the better", but others may beg to differ. - - Julian - -- [ Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com * WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/ ] [ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ ] [N++/N! cd350 pr++ g+++ S-/S *x++ Fa+++/Fa$/Fa! m1 b+ fc+++/ E>+ rl-- *d s!] [ "90% of a solution to a problem is a scapegoat" ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:08:05 From: "Lindi Ortega" Subject: new voice..yadda yadda I have never posted to the list before until now. I use to go to the same high school as Sarah and I totally remember my first time hearing her do a cover of "Dont Call Me Daughter" by Pearl Jam. She has always had a fabulous voice.. and always will. Talent is talent and that is unchanging. This kinda reminds me of when Tori Amos shocked her fans and the mainstream with BOYS FOR PELE. I have heard so many people say.. I loved Tori until Boys For Pele.. or until From The Choir Girl Hotel. There us nothing wrong with opinion and taste. Artists, if they are talented, will continually grow and mature musically, which means that sometimes they are gonna shock us and we wont know what to think of it....Emmy Lou Harris is famous for this!!! No one has to like what sarah is doing with her voice.. but I do think it should be respected.. just cause it's different, and it challanges the main stream. I'm gonna crawl back into the cracks now; cheers Lindi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:13:36 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: Sarah's EP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Winchell" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:53 AM > I like this Hawksley.. someone tell Sarah to keep him around :-) He also did some stuff on Tegan and Sarah's album and John Southworth's as well... you can hear/see Hawksley at http://www.hawksleyworkman.com his music isn't for the timid. If you see him on stage, he can look 8 feet tall and seems to grow to fill whatever venue he inhabits. In person all the dazzle and sparks you see on stage are more contained and he can even seem somewhat shy. For the stage version head on over to www.umbrellamusic.com and check out the video for Striptease (which I think is one of the best Canuck videos ever since it captures the Hawksley Experience so well.) James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:29:23 -0400 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: Sarah's EP - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian C. Dunn" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:00 PM > liked better. At the time I simply wrote it off as Sarah wanting to make a > strong impression to grab the attention of the listener. That and there is a strong Hawksley influence at work. > But after all, it comes down to an issue of preference for what people > want to hear on a studio recording. I personally am a fan of "the more > realistic, the better", but others may beg to differ. There's that, but in many ways making a record with a producer is like forging something new between two artists, Hawksley definitely puts his stamp on what he produces and it certainly isn't 100% true to the live sound in either T&S or Sarah's case. Still, there's a limit to how far a live sounding album can differ from other live sounding albums. C.f. Bob Rock/Steve Albini's Veruca Salt or Warren Livesey's Emm Gryner. Sometimes the decision to cast a particular producer is more a decision of the artist/management that they want to move a bit in that direction. James. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:34:59 From: "Lindi Ortega" Subject: one last comment I'll poke my head out for one last comment! I very much agree with Julian's post. Over production is a terrible thing.. it steals from the beauty of simplicity... and the rawness of sarah's music is simply beautiful... Her live stuff especially, just the girl and her piano! I think sarah should put out a live album of all the songs we rarely hear anymore... Last Years War (hint hint). all in favor say I... Lindi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 2001 14:32:48 EDT From: Jennifer.M.Pease.00@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Jennifer M. Pease 00) Subject: Re: Sarah's EP On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:00:39 -0400 (EDT) "Julian C. Dunn" wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, dario michaels wrote: At the time I simply wrote it off as Sarah > wanting to make a strong impression to grab the > attention of the listener. > This was my fear about the new EP -- the sound on the first two songs made a strong impression on me, all right. And this was the impression: "Gosh, if this song had been the one on the "Women & Songs" album -- the first time I ever heard of Sarah Slean -- I would never have bought "Universe," I would never have bought "Blue Parade," I would never have joined this mailing list or taken road trips to go to her live shows in Boston and Canada. And it makes me a little disappointed to think that this is her first "mainstream" release (in the U.S. in any case) and this is the first impression most people will get of her. I don't know, maybe people will like it -- obviously many people here have spoken up in favor of the new sound -- but for me it sort of turned me off; it's hard to get past the annoying "I'm trying to be different" voice to listen to the music (which of course remains phenomenal... but still, hard to listen to as is -- I'm almost wishing for someone to "cover" this song, 'cause I think I'd like it more!!). - -jennpease ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:52:10 -0400 From: "Kelly Goodlad" Subject: Re: new voice..yadda yadda Hi Lindi (did we meet on Napster instant messenger one night?) I completely agree with what you've said here. My guitar player's younger brother also went to school with Sarah (Mark Farrant) and I've heard really early demos-the transition just reminds me of pretty much any musician coming into his or her own. (to the list) Painters paint with different colours and in different styles depending on their moods; shouldn't singers as artists be able to experiment with different tones of voice as well? I know as a singer I get really bored singing the same way all the time, so I don't. Kelly >I have never posted to the list before until now. I use to go to the same >high school as Sarah and I totally remember my first time hearing her do a >cover of "Dont Call Me Daughter" by Pearl Jam. She has always had a >fabulous >voice.. and always will. Talent is talent and that is unchanging. > >This kinda reminds me of when Tori Amos shocked her fans and the mainstream >with BOYS FOR PELE. I have heard so many people say.. I loved Tori until >Boys For Pele.. or until From The Choir Girl Hotel. >There us nothing wrong with opinion and taste. Artists, if they are >talented, will continually grow and mature musically, which means that >sometimes they are gonna shock us and we wont know what to think of >it....Emmy Lou Harris is famous for this!!! > >No one has to like what sarah is doing with her voice.. but I do think it >should be respected.. just cause it's different, and it challanges the main >stream. > >I'm gonna crawl back into the cracks now; > >cheers >Lindi >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:50:01 -0400 From: "Kelly Goodlad" Subject: Re: what is that one????? >I'm quite sure the song you wanted on the CD is "Everything By The >Gallon", I wanted it to be on too, but apparently it isn't... ...unless it's a hidden track. :) We can all hope, right? That is just such an incredible song. Back when "Blue Parade" came out I was really hoping "Last Year's War" would be on her major label debut. Then when I heard newer ones live, I almost forgot about that one, but it is still a bummer she left it out. It's interesting how older songs like "Dark Room" and "St. Francis" are on it, but "Last Year's War" isn't. Hm. > >Here's some of the lyrics in St. Francis: "I had love in my hands...a >kiss from that man (?), like a melody...my pride, still standing tall, >but looking back, I wasn't brave at all, I wasn't brave at all" I remember that one, but I don't remember it being one of my favourites. > >There's one song that she played in Rivoli, i'm not 100% sure if it's >Dark Room, but the lyrics are something like: "Why do I hide, from you? >Why do I play this game? Im telling myself let go, I know I know, I >know....Paralyzed and freezing, truth has left me bleeding (?) something >something...." > Hm...that I don't know at all. I was also kinda hoping "Sadie" would be on there. I'd long ago lost hope for "Closer" and "Ogoni Star". Man, this chick has a lot of great songs. I hope she considers releasing them as B-sides or on a future album. >I hope this helps! It does-thank you! :) Kelly _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of navy-soup-digest V4 #71 ******************************