From: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org (navy-soup-digest) To: navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Subject: navy-soup-digest V4 #32 Reply-To: navy-soup@smoe.org Sender: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk navy-soup-digest Tuesday, March 13 2001 Volume 04 : Number 032 In This Digest: ----------------- Re: quick show notes ["Julian C. Dunn" ] the show [rturingan@dico.com] Sarah Slean Links [rturingan@dico.com] Re: the show [What? Management ] Re: the show ["James McGarry" ] Re: the show [Jennifer.M.Pease.00@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Jennifer M. Pease 0] Re: the show [recount chocula ] Re: the show [Paul Schreiber ] Mostly about pictures. ["Christine Evans" ] RE: Mostly about pictures. ["Chris C / iCE" ] Re: Mostly about pictures. [What? Management ] Re: Mostly about pictures. [Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: quick show notes On 12-Mar-2001 Sophie wrote: > I was upset by the way the customers were treated at Rivoli. I brought my > boyfriend a long way to see the concert, I had no idea that they were going > to forgo seating arrangements in order to pack as many people as possible > into the room. My boyfriend ended up annoying someone until we got a couple > plastic chairs. If it's important to have more people attend, why not get a > larger venue? With everybody standing all night, I'm sure many people > couldn't see a thing. We decided not to go to to the Saturday show, even > though we had tickets, because of this. Yes, I also found it to be quite stupid how the venue decided to cram everyone in like circus animals. Normally there are chairs and tables almost to the back of the room. Then again, I'm not surprised. Sarah has quite a large following now in Toronto, and capitalism being what it is, most venues would do the same (unless she was playing at a venue where the furniture is somewhat fixed, such as C'est What). I was fortunate to get there very early and I, too, was standing on the set of stairs near the washroom. Unfortunately, the more popular Sarah gets, the more this is likely to be the case... or else, if she gets to play venues like Massey Hall where it's reserved-seating-only, you'll also have to deal with the awful vantage points. It's the reality of any formerly-small-time artist getting big, I hate to say. - - Julian [ Julian C. Dunn - jdunn@aquezada.com * WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/ ] [ FuE exfe94 a+++ Ifte/slc lonca r- ps++ bs+ t++/*t C+++$/C! w+++ p7 LF+++ ] [N++/N! cd350 pr++ g+++ S-/S *x++ Fa+++/Fa$/Fa! m1 b+ fc+++/ E>+ rl-- *d s!] [ "diplomacy is the art of letting someone else have your way" - unknown ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:14:25 -0500 From: rturingan@dico.com Subject: the show Hey kids.... The show on Saturday, of course was truly amazing, unlike any other Sarah Slean show, with or without a band. The arrangements were tight the sound was big and the songwriting was awesome. Unfortunately I only went to the Friday show. I dunno what else to add that everyone else hasn't added already. It was good to see Dean Stone on the Drums and Mia Sheard doing backing vocals. In the crowd, I saw Steve McGrath, former drummer for Emm Gryner, current drummer for Soul Decision. I also saw my friend Dustin Rabin who was shooting the show for Sarah's Management and I finally met Marcine Linder, who is also another known music photographer in the city. It was quite a thrill that she was actually familiar with my own work. As for the seating arrangements at the Rivoli, I was lucky enough to get a seat on Friday night. The key especially with artists like these, with a big following who are just about to break through. Is to get to the venue early. Generally 30 mins before the doors open is sufficient, however I have been to some shows where a line up begins as early as a hour before a show. Essentially, from my understanding, The Rivoli is not responsible for the set up of the club on any particular night. The seating or lack of seating is usually at the request of the artist or their management. As Julian pointed out however, Sarah is at a point in her career where playing smaller venues will soon become a thing of the past. If seating is important to you, then it is best to get to the venue well before the doors open. Sometimes, you might look stupid standing there at the beginning of the line 45 mins before doors open, but when you are sitting right up front, in a crowded room a couple of hours later, it's worth the wait. other notes... sarah's prints were wonderful.. i wish i had the extra money on hand to dish out, but i didn't. also got to talk to heather, and now I'm super excited to hear the new record. Cheers Rannie http://www.rannieturingan.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:25:40 -0500 From: rturingan@dico.com Subject: Sarah Slean Links Hey it looks like Steve added a few new Sarah Links to Sarah's website.... Included are Marcine Linder, whom i mentioned in the previous post, and my website.. Whoo hoo Thanks Steve Cheers Rannie http://www.rannieturingan.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:45:47 -0500 From: What? Management Subject: Re: the show Rannie wrote: >The seating or lack of seating is usually >at the request of the artist or their management. Indeed folks... I'm sad to hear that some of you are disappointed with the audience aspect of the show... These are calls that we make for several reasons. One, much less than half the audience gets to sit anyway. Two, and what I think is the most important factor is this - with the seating, about 50% the room is taken up for less than 35% of the people. This means the rest bunch up against the bar, which in turn causes loud talking when people are ordering drinks, which causes frustration for those trying to listen intently, the artist trying to perform intently, etc. It also causes a back-log of people at the thin enterance to the club which I think is a serious accident waiting to happen. Also, believe it or not, the Riv's capacity is more than what we allowed to be put in that room (at least 25 people would have been legally allowed both nights). For those of you who had to wait half an hour or more to get in to see the show (like our booking agent), you'll know that's the case. Audience members had to leave before we'd allow others in. We chose to do two nights instead of one so we would have that control without disappointing anyone who would want to see Sarah perform. I have seen literally hundreds of shows at the Rivoli, and these shows were not nearly as packed as I've seen that room. I think part of the "sardine" nature was a result of people moving themselves towards the front of the room, packing in. I was near the bar most of the night (hey, I have to live up to the rock 'n roll stereotype!), and there was definitely more room - more along the lines of "quite comfortable" - in the back. Usually, with the seating, it's exacly the opposite. More roomy in the front for those lucky/early enough to get seats, and easily "cramped" in the back. Sarah won't be playing in Toronto clubs much longer, and if we would have moved these shows to one larger, seated venue, well, your tickets would have easily cost $20+, not $8/$10. Then I'd be responding to e-mails about that. :) Anyway, thank you to all who made it out -- I had a great time and it was excellent to see a bunch of you and actually have a moment or two to chat. Kind regards, Heather. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:07:01 -0500 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: the show - ----- Original Message ----- From: "What? Management" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:45 AM > literally hundreds of shows at the Rivoli, and these shows were not nearly > as packed as I've seen that room. OMG. I know! I've been to a couple of shows at the Riv, where there was standing room only and then only if you coordinated breathing with someone close to you. One NxNE evening stands out, it was sweltering, and then with likely 25-50 ppl over capacity it was all the worse, after two hours I staggered out, very dizzy, I must've lost about 4 lbs and all of it water. > Sarah won't be playing in Toronto clubs much longer, and if we would have I'll hazard a guess and say these club dates will end after the album release... just a casual prediction ;-) > Anyway, thank you to all who made it out -- I had a great time and it was > excellent to see a bunch of you and actually have a moment or two to chat. Yes, it was nice to see everyone for a change. I've either been out of the country or very ill. And thanks to y'all for the nice B-Day wishes at the show! :-) James. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 12:16:31 EST From: Jennifer.M.Pease.00@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Jennifer M. Pease 00) Subject: Re: the show On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:07:01 -0500 "James McGarry" wrote: > > I'll hazard a guess and say these club dates will end > after the album release... just a casual prediction ;-) > sorry if i haven't been paying attention, but do we know yet when this will be? oh anticipation! - -jennpease ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:58:49 -0500 From: recount chocula Subject: Re: the show when we last left our heroes, What? Management exclaimed: >I'm sad to hear that some of you are disappointed with the audience aspect >of the show... the audience got to stand at the rivoli? on their feet? luxury!!! when i was a kid, we had to stand on our heads to see a show! in the snow! uphill both ways! ;) >Sarah won't be playing in Toronto clubs much longer, and if we would have >moved these shows to one larger, seated venue, well, your tickets would >have easily cost $20+, not $8/$10. Then I'd be responding to e-mails about >that. :) i can confidently say that there will always be chairs out if sarah ever comes back to play our living room. on a more serious note, i'm wondering about where she might play in the states when/if sarah tours for the album. unless there's a huge push from the label, she'll still be playing the clubs since there isn't a toronto-sized audience down here. (the last time she was in new york (that i recall), she played cb's gallery which, as many of you may know, isn't very big and is primarily a seated venue. i wouldn't expect her to play there again. emm gryner filled fez to capacity a few weeks ago, but i think that would be a bit on the small side as well (not to mention annoying). maybe the mercury lounge? the bowery ballroom's probably a tad too big.) ah well, i survived tori amos going from playing the iron horse to the tweeter center. i think i can handle sarah's change o'venue as well. (just as long as nobody yells "i love you sarah!", that is.) woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:07:25 -0500 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: the show Jennifer M. Pease 00 wrote: >> I'll hazard a guess and say these club dates will end >> after the album release... just a casual prediction ;-) >> > > >sorry if i haven't been paying attention, but do we know >yet when this will be? sarah said august. so your guess is as good as mine. :-) Paul shad 96c / 4B CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. "Are you worried about Y2K?" "I couldn't give a shit" -- Sarah McLachlan [Jam! Music on canoe.com] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:31:59 -0500 From: "Christine Evans" Subject: Mostly about pictures. Hello All, 2 questions, both having to do with (what I assume are) photographs. Some people have mentioned that there were 'prints' for sale at Sarah's shows on Friday and Saturday (neither of which I was able to attend >:-| ) We're talking photo prints here, right? (Or is this some music-industry lingo that I don't speak?) What exactly did these prints consist of? Second question: eye magazine says that Sarah's new album cover will feature a headshot as opposed to her original artwork. Hmm. Does anyone have any inside info on this headshot yet? (Heather, perhaps you'll be able to field this one?) Are we looking at something artsy at least, or will the masses be introduced to Sarah via the typical close-up, windswept-hair, and pouty-lips-esque photo? Love you all, - - Christine Evans :-) missionaryzeal@hotmail.com {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} "I mock your value system. You also appear foolish in the eyes of others." Avoid* annoying e-mail signature advertisements by visiting http://nevermind.thesociety.net *not a guarantee. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:49:30 -0500 From: "Chris C / iCE" Subject: RE: Mostly about pictures. They were prints of sarah's artwork. They'll probably shoot a new headshot, won't they, for the album? Hope it's not Amanda Marshall/Tuesday's Child styles. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-navy-soup@smoe.org [mailto:owner-navy-soup@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Christine Evans Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 4:32 PM To: navy-soup@smoe.org Subject: Mostly about pictures. Hello All, 2 questions, both having to do with (what I assume are) photographs. Some people have mentioned that there were 'prints' for sale at Sarah's shows on Friday and Saturday (neither of which I was able to attend >:-| ) We're talking photo prints here, right? (Or is this some music-industry lingo that I don't speak?) What exactly did these prints consist of? Second question: eye magazine says that Sarah's new album cover will feature a headshot as opposed to her original artwork. Hmm. Does anyone have any inside info on this headshot yet? (Heather, perhaps you'll be able to field this one?) Are we looking at something artsy at least, or will the masses be introduced to Sarah via the typical close-up, windswept-hair, and pouty-lips-esque photo? Love you all, - - Christine Evans :-) missionaryzeal@hotmail.com {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} "I mock your value system. You also appear foolish in the eyes of others." Avoid* annoying e-mail signature advertisements by visiting http://nevermind.thesociety.net *not a guarantee. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:53:56 -0500 From: What? Management Subject: Re: Mostly about pictures. Christine Evans said: >(Heather, perhaps you'll be able to field >this one?) Are we looking at something artsy at least, or will the masses be >introduced to Sarah via the typical close-up, windswept-hair, and >pouty-lips-esque photo? Eew! Whatever the cover, it will be something that Sarah not only approves, but is actively & artistically involved in. h. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:58:38 -0500 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: Mostly about pictures. Christine Evans wrote: > or will the masses be >introduced to Sarah via the typical close-up, windswept-hair, and >pouty-lips-esque photo? You don't think Sarah would look cute with windswept hair and pouty lips? :-) Paul shad 96c / 4B CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. "I don't want to spend the rest of my life alone. That's the only fear I have, because what else is there but love?" -- Sheryl Crow ------------------------------ End of navy-soup-digest V4 #32 ******************************