From: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org (navy-soup-digest) To: navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Subject: navy-soup-digest V3 #87 Reply-To: navy-soup@smoe.org Sender: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk navy-soup-digest Tuesday, May 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 087 In This Digest: ----------------- Re: navy-soup-digest V3 #81 [Paul Schreiber ] Re: Live footage, religion, etc. [Piggio@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:09:19 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: navy-soup-digest V3 #81 James McGarry wrote: >Dave was born to sing "Habit" ;-) Yes, I totally agree. The first few lines "...take up smoking, maybe even cigars..." draw you in in *such& and amazing way. His voice fits the song like a glove. (how's that for a crappy metaphor?) Paul shad 96c / 3B CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. "Don't let the seeds stop you from enjoying the watermelon." -- Robin Williams ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:19:49 -0400 From: "Sophie" Subject: Re: navy-soup-digest I tend to think of religion as a personal, rather than public, aspect of a person. Also, I think I answered in another thread that it's simply that *I'd* prefer we didn't bring it up, because I'm very sensitive to it. To put it flatly--I've been involved in too many religious discussions which have just ended in hurt and resentment. I also happen to know that some really sweet people believe the weirdest things imaginable (like my mom), and you can't really question them about it (trust me!). :) One thing that metaphysical beliefs have in common is this; we all believe we know the truth, or at least the approximate truth. So if it were made public that Sarah was, say, a seventh-day adventist, or a moonie, some people might go "Hmm. That poor girl doesn't know that the *true* religion is Islam/Buddism/Judaism etc.." And this thought has a brother "I'm an US, she's a THEM." and the second thought tends to lead to all kinds of problems. Historically, tolerance has been a huge issue. (Pat Robertson thinks that I'm the epitome of evil, since I'm atheist, and I promise you I've never even met the man.) Anyway, Sarah's views were already reveiled. So, unless anyone feels the need to *save* her, I think the damage is done. :) I hope I didn't say anything that offended anyone. I was just trying to clarify _why_ I thought it was a bad idea, a question posed to me by taitts. I wish my e-mail client had an Italics option. I would use that sucker like crazy. Soph "The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening." -- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, Dec. 30, 1981 "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992 "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."--Pat Robertson, 1993 interview with Molly Ivins That 3rd one really amuses me. But also scares the hell out of me. A, Christians are the vast majority of this country and B, anyone who knows anything about Hitler's rise to power knows that he started by arguing that the Jews were oppressing the Aryan people. This man ran for President. - ----- Original Message ----- From: taitts To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: Re: navy-soup-digest V3 #85 > >>I'd really appreciate it if we didn't introduce religion here. I really > >>would. Please? :). I know you're just curious Ian, but it's kindof a can > of > >>worms.. once opened, you just can't get that smell out of the air. > > > What's wrong with discussing religion? It's a very interesting and > thought-provoking topic. Isn't navy-soup about discussing matters > pertaining to Sarah? If someone is wondering what her religious > and/or spiritual views are, which is a natural curiosity based on the > lyrical content of her music, why should we shy away from that? > > t.t. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:15:55 EDT From: Piggio@aol.com Subject: Re: Live footage, religion, etc. In a message dated 5/21/00 5:26:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wlestes@uncg.edu writes: << > Has everyone heard the song Leonard Cohen - Everybody Knows? >> Leonard Cohen's song was featured in the Christian Slater movie "Pump Up the Volume" a couple years ago; the movie was about a rogue teenager who started a pirate radio station as an outlet for his angst (what an amazing idea... better than going and shooting up a bunch of people, don't ya think???) -- anyways, if you haven't seen this movie, rent it. i think its brilliant in its own demented way, and it has an amazing soundtrack. Concrete Blonde covers Cohen's song on that soundtrack CD. amazing song, amazing version. Rob ------------------------------ End of navy-soup-digest V3 #87 ******************************