From: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org (navy-soup-digest) To: navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Subject: navy-soup-digest V3 #86 Reply-To: navy-soup@smoe.org Sender: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk navy-soup-digest Monday, May 22 2000 Volume 03 : Number 086 In This Digest: ----------------- Re: navy-soup-digest V3 #81 ["Ian Mullins" ] Live footage, religion, etc. ["Ian Mullins" ] Re: Live footage, religion, etc. ["Sophie" ] Music interpretations ["Ian Mullins" ] Re: Music interpretations [Leon van Stuivenberg ] RE: Music interpretations ["Amy" ] Re: Music interpretations ["Wade" ] Re: Music interpretations [Bloo ] Re: Music interpretations ["James McGarry" ] Re: navy-soup-digest V3 #81 ["James McGarry" ] Re: Live footage, religion, etc. ["W. L. Estes" ] Re: navy-soup-digest V3 #85 ["taitts" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 04:23:37 -0500 From: "Ian Mullins" Subject: Re: navy-soup-digest V3 #81 > There are some from the cute mute/mute cute show... Sarah _only_ plays piano > :-) Yeah, I know about those... I wish they'd put more up though! I'd especially like to hear anyone cover Blue Parade! :) > > Also, is the new album going to be released through Atlantic Records? > > Warner/Universal if I guess right. If not I'm sure Heather will correct me > ;-) I'm glad of that. Indie stuff is nice and all in that you get to control a lot of it.. but major label stuff is good too for the promotion aspect, and also because I'm hoping that a LOT MORE MATERIAL will be released in the form of singles, promos, etc.. :) > LYW is her best song yet, IMO (though I'm really fond of Elliot too). But, > she isn't even close to peaking, this is more a signal of what is to come, > what will be. Not necessarily a direction, but a benchmark of quality. > Crying is interestingly enough a rather typical reaction. As is dead > silence. But I'm convinced she can do better, a lot better. I've seen her Well I didn't mean to imply that that's ALL it does to me. :) It's a lot more powerful than just a good cry.. Although I do agree (and hope) that she has not even come close to peaking yet. :) Oh as for the whole religion thing, I finally found that out by myself after listening to an hour long interview (with slean songs in between ).. turns out she's not Christian at all..but she does like the stories and imagery of it all (which I agree with wholeheartedly) :) .. Anyone know of any other Slean interviews?? :) - - Ian Web author of "Tori's Beauty ..and a Gun" Covers, Live MP3s, Photos, Lyrics and more! http://home.ican.net/~crashy Get an email everytime the page has something new: Send mail to me with "subscribe" in the subject line! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 04:35:28 -0500 From: "Ian Mullins" Subject: Live footage, religion, etc. > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:55:27 -0400 > From: "Sophie" > Subject: Re: When's her new album? :) and issues of live footage -- and discussion on Sarah's music! > > S.S is really great live, yes. But she also has an extremely high standard > for her music, and wouldn't want people listening to a poor quality dub of > any live shows. Anyone who collects rare mp3s knows that for a non-studio > recording of an artist to even approach the quality of the show is pretty > much a fluke. Although most of us are anxious for the unreleased stuff, I > think we'd also rather wait for the Slean seal of approval, which means we > know we'll be getting quality. Well I agree, but I disagree. A lot of rare mp3s are plain crappy... yes... but there's also quite a lot that are amazing. Either because the recorder had awesome microphones, or because the recorder knew the person at the soundboard, and thus was able to obtain a perfectly clear copy of the show! :) Besides all that, it's sort of maddening for me because I practically NEVER listen to studio material. I usually find it to be too manufactured - too sterile. Live performances are the only true show of talent when it comes to vocal and playing ability, IMHO. Now, the sterile issue isn't so bad with Sarah as it is with other artists, but it's still there. But anyway... > I'd have to disagree about Universe being her best work to date. I think > Blue Parade and Universe are both stunning, but I really enjoy the lyrical > content of Blue Parade. I don't like the idea of applying "direction" to her I agree with that comment, although melodies are slightly more important to me... and I enjoy the melodies more on Universe than I do on Blue Parade. Plus as I already mentioned, there's a little too much stuff going on besides the piano on Blue Parade. But nothing's ever perfect -- is it? ;) (besides Last Year's War :) ..) > I wish I knew why people are always comparing Sarah to someone else. She is > perhaps the most incomparable artist that I've heard. Sometimes I do compare > artists, Jennifer Kimball is a bit like Sarah Harmer is a bit like Dar > Williams (but each brilliant in their own way)...but I've never heard music > like S.S's. Her voice is just strikingly dissimilar, imho. Well it's not so much about comparing as it is about influences, I think... The word 'comparing' has too much of a stigma on it to begin with though. She has admitted she enjoys Tori's music, and I do hear melodic similarities. Lyrically Sarah's a little more straight forward though. ;) And Sarah's voice IS similar to Sarah Mclachlan's. But similar is only similar. Of course Ms. Slean has her own style all her own. :) And that's why we all listen to her music as well, and not just _____'s .. > I'd really appreciate it if we didn't introduce religion here. I really > would. Please? :). I know you're just curious Ian, but it's kindof a can of > worms.. once opened, you just can't get that smell out of the air. Oh .. well I didn't really want to discuss details (at this point anyway!) .. I just wished to know Sarah's standpoint.. and as I replied in a previous e-mail, I found out she is not Christian at all. :) - - Ian Web author of "Tori's Beauty ..and a Gun" Covers, Live MP3s, Photos, Lyrics and more! http://home.ican.net/~crashy Get an email everytime the page has something new: Send mail to me with "subscribe" in the subject line! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:29:34 -0400 From: "Sophie" Subject: Re: Live footage, religion, etc. lol. I was a little ..off... when I wrote that. (not to mention it took forever to leave my bloody server). I have to admit that if *I* see a bootleg copy of Last Years War, or Duncan, there's no way I'd be able to stop myself from downloading it! (I'd be on that puppy so fast...) So I didn't mean to sound like a preacher on a high horse. I can't help but think it'd be a crime to distribute a flubby copy of such crystal-quality music as LYW. I've almost _got_ everything Sarah M has ever produced. I just don't hear the similarity I guess. Aside from an ability to hit really high notes. Sarah M. sounds more like Joni M. to me. Maybe I'm just really really fussy. As far as religion goes, it's been a touchy subject for me... In our government right now everyones talking prayer in school and the hanging the ten commandments. I just get sad, because no one sees the danger. And when I try to explain my position they think I'm nuts. It doesn't help that I live in one of the most conservative cities in America. I have to admit I'm a bit relieved that S.S. isn't a fundamentalist or anything. :) Has everyone heard the song Leonard Cohen - Everybody Knows? It's great! I just downloaded it because I liked Famous Blue Raincoat. Another excellent download is Tara Maclean - Child. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Mullins To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 5:35 AM Subject: Live footage, religion, etc. > > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:55:27 -0400 > > From: "Sophie" > > Subject: Re: When's her new album? :) and issues of live footage -- and > discussion on Sarah's music! > > > > S.S is really great live, yes. But she also has an extremely high standard > > for her music, and wouldn't want people listening to a poor quality dub of > > any live shows. Anyone who collects rare mp3s knows that for a non-studio > > recording of an artist to even approach the quality of the show is pretty > > much a fluke. Although most of us are anxious for the unreleased stuff, I > > think we'd also rather wait for the Slean seal of approval, which means we > > know we'll be getting quality. > > Well I agree, but I disagree. A lot of rare mp3s are plain crappy... yes... > but there's also quite a lot that are amazing. Either because the recorder > had awesome microphones, or because the recorder knew the person at the > soundboard, and thus was able to obtain a perfectly clear copy of the show! > :) > > Besides all that, it's sort of maddening for me because I practically NEVER > listen to studio material. I usually find it to be too manufactured - too > sterile. Live performances are the only true show of talent when it comes to > vocal and playing ability, IMHO. Now, the sterile issue isn't so bad with > Sarah as it is with other artists, but it's still there. > > > But anyway... > > > I'd have to disagree about Universe being her best work to date. I think > > Blue Parade and Universe are both stunning, but I really enjoy the lyrical > > content of Blue Parade. I don't like the idea of applying "direction" to > her > > I agree with that comment, although melodies are slightly more important to > me... and I enjoy the melodies more on Universe than I do on Blue Parade. > Plus as I already mentioned, there's a little too much stuff going on > besides the piano on Blue Parade. But nothing's ever perfect -- is it? ;) > (besides Last Year's War :) ..) > > > I wish I knew why people are always comparing Sarah to someone else. She > is > > perhaps the most incomparable artist that I've heard. Sometimes I do > compare > > artists, Jennifer Kimball is a bit like Sarah Harmer is a bit like Dar > > Williams (but each brilliant in their own way)...but I've never heard > music > > like S.S's. Her voice is just strikingly dissimilar, imho. > > Well it's not so much about comparing as it is about influences, I think... > The word 'comparing' has too much of a stigma on it to begin with though. > She has admitted she enjoys Tori's music, and I do hear melodic > similarities. Lyrically Sarah's a little more straight forward though. ;) > And Sarah's voice IS similar to Sarah Mclachlan's. > > But similar is only similar. Of course Ms. Slean has her own style all her > own. :) And that's why we all listen to her music as well, and not just > _____'s .. > > > I'd really appreciate it if we didn't introduce religion here. I really > > would. Please? :). I know you're just curious Ian, but it's kindof a can > of > > worms.. once opened, you just can't get that smell out of the air. > > Oh .. well I didn't really want to discuss details (at this point anyway!) > .. I just wished to know Sarah's standpoint.. and as I replied in a previous > e-mail, I found out she is not Christian at all. :) > > - Ian > Web author of "Tori's Beauty ..and a Gun" > Covers, Live MP3s, Photos, Lyrics and more! > http://home.ican.net/~crashy > Get an email everytime the page has something new: > Send mail to me with "subscribe" in the subject line! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 06:44:48 -0500 From: "Ian Mullins" Subject: Music interpretations Hi it's Ian again.. ;) I was just wondering a couple things.. 1. What (and who is it also.) is the person saying at the beginning of Twin Moon? This is all I can get from it: i shall have no more ????? my faith of the universe encompasses and swallows me up like an atom ??? thought i comprehend (the world??) 2. In Last Year's War, when Sarah sings: Hey you with your stars out and I'm here with my stars out - --to what is the word 'stars' referring? My guess is that she means hands... Since stars (generally) have five points, and so does a hand.. What do you think? :) - - Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:24:27 +0200 From: Leon van Stuivenberg Subject: Re: Music interpretations Ian Mullins wrote: > > 1. What (and who is it also.) is the person saying at the beginning of Twin > Moon? This is all I can get from it: all i can decipher is: > i shall have no more xxxxxxx ??in this world?? > my faith of the universe encompasses and swallows me up like an atom > ??? thought i comprehend (the world??) ?my god i comprehend the world? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:54:27 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: RE: Music interpretations Hi All, Ian asked: > 1. What (and who is it also.) is the person saying at the > beginning of Twin > Moon? I wondered about this myself and spent a bit of time trying to decipher it by having my speakers turned up really loud. Didn't help much. But....I was lucky enough to have Sarah perform a living room concert here at my house and someone (Hi Wade) asked her what was going on there. Here's what I remember... (Wade please correct me if I'm wrong) She said that is is a Carl Sagen quote. It's her voice. She spoke it into a telephone and it was recorded on the other end. I don't know the exact quote but it sounds to me like the end is "I thought I comprehended the world." Maybe someone who knows Carl Sagen's work might know this. But I thought I would at least pass on what little I know. Hope that helps at all. ~Amy Women In Music http://www.ecalos.com If you are interested in seeing what the living room concert was like you can check out my page on it here: http://www.ecalos.com/concerts/sleancassis.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 10:08:07 -0500 From: "Wade" Subject: Re: Music interpretations Amy wrote : >But....I was lucky enough to have Sarah perform a living room concert here >at my house and someone (Hi Wade) asked her what was going on there. Here's >what I remember...(Wade please correct me if I'm wrong) She said that is is a Carl Sagen quote. It's her voice. She spoke it into a telephone and it was recorded on the other end. You're right, Amy. It's Sarah speaking a Carl Sagan quote into a telephone. But even Sarah couldn't remember the exact words. :) However, I do think she said the last line was, "By thought I comprehend the world." Wade ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bloo Subject: Re: Music interpretations On Sun, 21 May 2000, Ian Mullins wrote: > 1. What (and who is it also.) is the person saying at the beginning of Twin > Moon? This is all I can get from it: > > i shall have no more ????? > my faith of the universe encompasses and swallows me up like an atom > ??? thought i comprehend (the world??) Back when TM was released as an MP3 on Sarah's site, I tried my best to figure out what was said. I flubbed it of course 8-} But Steve I corrected me: "I think that it is actually a quote from Blaise Pascal's Pensées, written two years before his death (starting at the line after the bracketed line: [It is not from space that I must seek my dignity, but from the government of my thought. ] I shall have no more if I possess worlds. By space the universe encompasses and swallows me up like an atom; by thought I comprehend the world."--Blaise Pascal, Pensées." - -Brian (PS: did Sarah actually *say* she got the quote from Carl Sagan? Hmm.) Brian Wilson --------------------------"Those aren't Sex muffins! -Coach bloo@blooberry.com ---------------------Those aren't Love muffins! http://www.blooberry.com ---------------Those are just BLOOberry muffins!" Creator of Index DOT Html/Css: http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:20:40 -0500 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: Music interpretations - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Mullins To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 6:44 AM Subject: Music interpretations > 2. In Last Year's War, when Sarah sings: > > Hey you with your stars out > and > I'm here with my stars out > > --to what is the word 'stars' referring? > > My guess is that she means hands... Since stars (generally) have five > points, and so does a hand.. > > What do you think? :) The Sleanster has stated on several occasions that 'the stars' she is talking about are the good stuff inside. the wonderful, magical parts that we show to someone special. The ultimate in exposing one's vulnerability. James. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:41:49 -0500 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: navy-soup-digest V3 #81 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Mullins To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 4:23 AM > Yeah, I know about those... I wish they'd put more up though! I'd especially > like to hear anyone cover Blue Parade! :) That would've been Sjanie at that show, she did well, but from that show I'd be more keen to hear Kurt Swinghammer's cover of "Before Your Time" or Coco Love Alcorn's cover of "Bonnie's Song". They have posted the very best of that show though Sarah Harmer and Dave "Moxy" Matheson did superb jobs. Dave was born to sing "Habit" ;-) > it all (which I agree with wholeheartedly) :) .. Anyone know of any other > Slean interviews?? :) She's done one on CBC that wasn't bad... the best one is the Rochester interview which is about an hour and is likely the one to which you refer, it's the most thorough and most Sarah-friendly. They like her there, a lot. If they is the one you've heard, you'll learn nothing new from the others. James. P.S. Fans of Sarah's backing people should check out Mia Sheard's new CD "Reptilian" which has Swinghammer (master of the geetar and electronic magic), Michael Olsen (who did some cello work for Sarah a few years ago), and perennial Slean backup Sjanie McInnis. It's out now or, um, really soon now. It's not the Danny Michel CD, which is fabulous, but it's very nice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:28:59 -0400 From: "W. L. Estes" Subject: Re: Live footage, religion, etc. > I've almost _got_ everything Sarah M has ever produced. I just don't hear > the similarity I guess. Aside from an ability to hit really high notes. > Sarah M. sounds more like Joni M. to me. Maybe I'm just really really fussy. the similarly is only to early sarah mclachlan (touch, and just a few songs on that album.) > Has everyone heard the song Leonard Cohen - Everybody Knows? It's great! I > just downloaded it because I liked Famous Blue Raincoat. Another excellent odd you should mention this one. the words to that song just came out of fortune[1] a couple of days ago. not often that fortune sends me beautiful poetic lyrics. - --Will [1] a program standard on many unix-like operating systems that prints a randomly selected quote from a largish database of same. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:41:15 -0400 From: "taitts" Subject: Re: navy-soup-digest V3 #85 >>I'd really appreciate it if we didn't introduce religion here. I really >>would. Please? :). I know you're just curious Ian, but it's kindof a can of >>worms.. once opened, you just can't get that smell out of the air. What's wrong with discussing religion? It's a very interesting and thought-provoking topic. Isn't navy-soup about discussing matters pertaining to Sarah? If someone is wondering what her religious and/or spiritual views are, which is a natural curiosity based on the lyrical content of her music, why should we shy away from that? t.t. ------------------------------ End of navy-soup-digest V3 #86 ******************************