From: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org (navy-soup-digest) To: navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Subject: navy-soup-digest V3 #58 Reply-To: navy-soup@smoe.org Sender: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-navy-soup-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk navy-soup-digest Friday, March 31 2000 Volume 03 : Number 058 In This Digest: ----------------- Re: Saturday's LRC's ["James McGarry" ] Oh Susanna - Long ["James McGarry" ] Veda Hille and Sarah Slean [John Drummond ] tory and sarah...harmer that is... [David T Dorey <6dtd1@qlink.queensu.ca] Tory, Tory everywhere! ["Christine Evans" ] Re: Oh Susanna - Long [meredith ] Re: Tory, Tory everywhere! ["Jarita Lee" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:16:37 -0600 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Re: Saturday's LRC's - ----- Original Message ----- From: fartachu To: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Saturday's LRC's > when we last left our heroes, Christine Evans exclaimed: > > >YOU DID????? Jealousy, jealousy! The two covers I'd like to hear Sarah do > >most are 'A Case of You' and Cohen's 'Famous Blue Raincoat.' > > not to dredge up the tori amos thang again, but it's interesting that you > single these out since they are two songs that tori has recorded and > released covers of (the former on a limited edition UK single and the > latter on a leonard cohen tribute, though a live version is also available > on several singles from the last album). Hasn't _everyone_ covered "A Case of You"? Tab and I once sat down and tried to fill an album of "A Case of You" covers and I think we were close... Famous Blue Raincoat, has also been covered several times... > > Meredith... I found some Veda Hille CD's at HMV... which one would you > >begin to start with? > > i'd say _spine_ or _here is a picture_, the emily carr album. the former is > fierce and the latter sublime. Or start from the end! The last one _You Do Not Live In This World Alone_ is superb. It shows much more interesting depths to her quirkiness and 'talent'*. I love the Oh Susanna collaboration, it's my favourite Veda song, followed by "All Fur". I always liked Veda's work in a distant sort of way, this last album brought it home. It was something I could relate a lot better to, something that meant something to _me_. James. *On track, "A Peculiar Value" is about her talent and music industry law's take on it ;-) P.S. Veda is the one "Scrappy Bitch" that Ms. Slean has not (yet) shared a bill with. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:02:10 -0600 From: "James McGarry" Subject: Oh Susanna - Long - ----- Original Message ----- From: Roxanne D. Finch To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Boston LRC / Oh Susanna song > The Sarahs also did Oh Susanna's "Alabaster" at last week's Brandeis > show. What a beautiful song. I've heard Oh Susanna's name mentioned on > various listservs I'm on and after hearing that song I'm finally interested > enough in seeking out some of her music. Anyone know of a website where I > can find out more about her music and hopefully find out how to order a CD > to sample it first hand. Oddly I know this off the top of my head... http://www.swellinteractive.com/ohsusanna/ There's a link in the site to www.squaredog.com where you can actually _buy_ the CDs. Tell Alex I sent ya. :-) The second CD _Johnstown_ is far superior to the first (the eponymous _Oh Susanna_) in terms of production values and overall strength of the songs. Suzie would be a poor artist if she didn't improve, what's telling though is the depth and scope of that improvement. "Alabaster" is the tip of the iceberg on _Johnstown_, the whole album is quite romantic and there's nowhere near as much murder and mayhem as on the first. I love "Backdirt Road", I can imagine several in the interior of B.C., picture them in my mind and the song has a whistful, melancholy sentiment that only someone in their early 30's can feel. Heh. "Home Soon" (The Cherry Song) is another standout from the album, Suzie's voice has a deep, creamy rich texture on this that is very compelling. It's a very good album. Now having said that, my favourite Suzie song is on the first album, "Jackson Wilson" which is in part about the massacre at Sand Creek during the "Indian Wars" of the 1800s. I'll tell this here, since Suzie rarely tells this part of the story, from "Cheyenne slaughter, down at Sand Creek Road" that little line tells so much. Some time in 1851 the Cheyenne along with several other tribes met at Fort Laramie, at that time it was agreed that the First Nations would allow safe passage through their lands. In that treaty the natives do not in any manner relinquish title to land or grant any other legal priviledges (i.e. hunting, fishing, mining, etc.). After gold was found at Pike's Peak much of these 'rights' were simply taken, but the Cheyenne (and Arapahos) in particular kept the peace. Thirteen years later, several Cheyenne, led by Black Kettle and Lean Bear met with some US Cavalry and in the course of a peaceful enquiry Lean Bear was shot without warning or provocation. A melee ensued. Black Kettle managed to stop the carnage and literally saved the remaining soldiers, as the Cheyenne out numbered them 5 to 1. Persuant to this, Black Kettle tried to ensure the safety of his people and to smooth things over with the army. "It is not my intention or wish to fight the whites. I want to be friendly and peaceable and keep my tribe so. I am not able to fight the whites. I want to live in peace." And Black Kettle was most sincere in this. He continually tried to keep the Cheyenne from making raids on cattle or outposts and capitulated in terms of settling where the army told him to. He was not entirely successful except with his own band of warriors, other Cheyenne leaders argued for war, and supported the raids. After a time there was nearly all out war between the whites and Cheyenne. Later, Black Kettle moved his own band to Fort Lyon, under the command of Major Wynkoop who had been friendly to the Cheyenne, particularly Black Kettle, in the past. They agreed to peace for rations as their hunting grounds had all but disappeared. Wynkoop fell into disfavour for his friendliness with the Cheyenne and Arapaho. Wynkoop was relieved of command by Major Anthony, under Colonel Chivington who had recently ordered his troops to kill any natives on sight. Anthony's first order was to cut the rations. Went Black Kettle met with Anthony, Anthony promised the natives they would be allowed to hunt and be under the protection of Fort Lyon. Believing this. Black Kettle settled there for the winter. Anthony's communications to his Colonel, however, indicated that this was just to pacify Black Kettle and his people under reinforcements could arrive. Learning of his plans, several of his officers protested that that would violate the agreed peace. Chivington became quite angered at this and forced them to join the patrols. Shortly after this, the army rode out to Black Kettle's settlement of about 600 Cheyenne the majority of them women and children and many of the remaining men where unarmed, as part of another agreed upon 'peace'. Black Kettle's trust in the army's word was very much misplaced. His teepee flew the US flag. The soldiers surrounded the camp, quite early, the hoofbeats of the horses as the rode in were the Cheyenne's only warning of this attack. By the time the shooting ended there were 133 Cheyenne dead, 108 of them women and children. They killed them, even as they surrendered, as they ran, as they tried to convince the army that they were loyal to the United States. While Black Kettle himself survived, most of the other chiefs who argued for peace were dead or disbursed. Eventually the remaining Cheyenne and Arapaho were driven from Colorado and forced to share a treatied land with the Kiowas in Arkansas, giving up forceably all claims to Colorado. The massacre at Sand Creek was one of the worst attrocities of the "Indian Wars".* Also on the first CD there's "Roll Me on Home" which Suzie claims to have written after a um... night of dark drinking. It's very countrified, but I often find myself humming it :-) James. I highly recommend: * Dee Brown (1970) Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West. Henry Holt and Co. ISBN 0-8050-1045-9. the source of my explanation. If you read it, have a good box of Kleenex on hand. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 2000 00:52:25 -0800 From: John Drummond Subject: Veda Hille and Sarah Slean > P.S. Veda is the one "Scrappy Bitch" that Ms. Slean > has not (yet) shared a bill with. Hey, Meredith... remember what Veda said about our lovely little Sarah Slean during the webchat back in December? *evil grin* :X John [probably only funny to me] Two-person quote du jour of the day : (after a slight lull in the online banter) ME: *stretch* What are you up to, Baby? HIM: fuggin' w/ peeple and listening to the newest styles available ____________________________________________________________________ For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:32:38 -0500 (EST) From: David T Dorey <6dtd1@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: tory and sarah...harmer that is... if anyone's gonna be in kingston (ontario) on the seventh of april drop on by queen's for a free (yes - free!) outdoor concert starring miss slean's buddies tory cassis and sarah harmer. the jam starts at 3 pm and is supposed to take place at theological hall. give me a shout for more info, dave. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ when spiders unite they can tie down an elephant. ~ African proverb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:21:04 -0500 From: "Christine Evans" Subject: Tory, Tory everywhere! Hello All, Just saw Tory Cassis on an old episode of Degrassi High. Hee hee! He didn't say anything, but he was easy to spot (very tall), and was identified by other characters as, "Blane, the hunk." (Normally the 80's styles plus the awkward teenage years aren't overly flattering to anyone... well, everyone except Tory :-) ) I debated with myself on whether it was him or not until I saw the credits and sure enough, there was his name. Does anyone know if he was a regular on that show, or if what I saw was the only time he graced us with his Degrassi presence? (I had no idea, so it's new and interesting news to me!) Any way... time to meld intellectual purging and regugitation in the hopes of creating something somewhat analytical (aka, essay-writing). Love you all, - - Christine Evans :-) evans_ent@msn.com http://nevermind.thesociety.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:08:25 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Oh Susanna - Long Hi! James noted: >The second CD _Johnstown_ is far superior to the first (the eponymous _Oh >Susanna_) in terms of production values and overall strength of the songs. >Suzie would be a poor artist if she didn't improve, what's telling though is >the depth and scope of that improvement. Agreed. (And interestingly enough, Veda Hille plays piano all over the album!) Oh Susanna isn't much as a live performer, but _Johnstown_ is a great CD. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:53:22 -0500 From: "Jarita Lee" Subject: Re: Tory, Tory everywhere! HOLY SHI* ... HE"S ON DEGRASSI????!!!!!!!!!! I NEED TO WATCH THAT EPISODE??? which one was it??!!! this is too exciting?! Jarita > > Just saw Tory Cassis on an old episode of Degrassi High. Hee hee! He > didn't say anything, but he was easy to spot (very tall), and was identified > by other characters as, "Blane, the hunk." (Normally the 80's styles plus > the awkward teenage years aren't overly flattering to anyone... well, > everyone except Tory :-) ) I debated with myself on whether it was him or > not until I saw the credits and sure enough, there was his name. ------------------------------ End of navy-soup-digest V3 #58 ******************************