MANNLIST Digest 750
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: WHAAAT???... Grow Up Folks!!!
by "Fickle, Scott" [Scott.Fickle@asphalt-materials.com]
2) Re: How long is your ring finger?
by Howard Semones [soanim8ed@rmi.net]
3) B#2 #10
by Howard Semones [soanim8ed@rmi.net]
4) Brittney's breasts
by "beachbum13" [lbigetwet@worldnet.att.net]
5) Big Hit?
by "beachbum13" [lbigetwet@worldnet.att.net]
6) FW: RE: Brittney's breasts
by "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
7) RE: Brittney's breasts
by "beachbum13" [lbigetwet@worldnet.att.net]
8) Re: MANNLIST digest 744
by Spencer Lewis [skilroy@earthlink.net]
9) Re: Napster ad nauseum
by Spencer Lewis [skilroy@earthlink.net]
10) Phil Must Don Mojo Must refer...
by Eric Landon [eclectic_eel@yahoo.com]
11) Re: Phil Collins: No Reply at All
by Rhonda [genesis717@usa.net]
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From: "Fickle, Scott" [Scott.Fickle@asphalt-materials.com]
To: "'mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu'" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: RE: WHAAAT???... Grow Up Folks!!!
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:18:49 -0500
Let me clear up a bit of confusion here (Seems to be abundant), the line
I put out there was in reference to a scene in the movie "Stripes". A Mann
lister made a reference to "Lighten up Francis" for which I added the line
"Any of you Homo's touch my Stuff" that was said in the movie just before
that.
If it offended anyone I am truly sorry (especially to Bill) , but in a
forum that spent 3-4 freak'n weeks discussing which "Rock Stars" were gay or
not. The double standard for topics in here is amazing, IT WAS A JOKE
PEOPLE!!! It wasn't a putdown of anything or anybody. It was a VERY funny
scene in a movie, maybe some folks in here should go rent the movie and
LIGHTEN up a bit.... I think there are a few folks in here who could use a
laugh...
I thought Bill's response was funny, sorry folks. "Lighten Up Francis"
is a phrase I use a lot, for those who don't UNDERSTAND what that's about.
The movie is "Stripes" it's funny, it's got LOT's of 1 liners, granted most
of its "Guy" humor but funny none the less....
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From: Sean Hathwell [mailto:bigsean62@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 9:57 PM
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: WHAAAT???
Thank you Andrea and others who have responded,
As the guy who wrote the original message "Phil Collins Must Die!",
that these guys Bill and whomever responded to, and since I make
no mention of sexuality-hetero or gay-whatsoever, I'm at a loss
as to what the "homo" remarks are in regards to.
-Sean
]From: AWeiss4338@aol.com
]Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
]Subject: Re: WHAAAT???
]Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:44:55 EST
]
]That's what I thought we were talking about too, Aimee and commercialism.
]Anytime someone uses 'homo' 'gay,' 'lesbian' anything as a put down it gets
]me extremely annoyed.
]Andrea
]
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:10:57 -0700
Subject: Re: How long is your ring finger?
From: Howard Semones [soanim8ed@rmi.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
If you read my next post, I apologized for accidentally posting that to the
list.
From: Brwnshoe@aol.com
Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:10:01 EST
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: How long is your ring finger?
What does this post have to do with Aimee, or, for that matter, ANYTHING
musically??
Steve
In a message dated 03/30/2000 8:34:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
soanim8ed@rmi.net writes:
[[ According to this new study, if the ring finger on a male is about the
same length as his index finger, he's probably gay.
Because of this, I want to do something that I've wanted to do for many
years. My hands have finally betrayed me. I am a raging heterosexual. I'm
sorry I've hidden it from you for so long.
Now with that said:
Shawna, do you want to go out sometime for a drink or something? :-)
Oh! One last thing: who is paying for these stupid studies??!!!
]]
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:20:13 -0700
Subject: B#2 #10
From: Howard Semones [soanim8ed@rmi.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
I'm not sure if anyone posted this, but amazon.com has B#2 listed as #10 on
their sales charts.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/music/charts/hot-100-music.html/ref=
m_mh_mn_ct/102-8339120-3276009
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From: "beachbum13" [lbigetwet@worldnet.att.net]
To: "Mannlist" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: Brittney's breasts
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:49:50 -0500
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]]Brittney's breasts are lovely, artificial or not, but I don't see how they
are supposed to translate to radio. Similarly, I'm sure that N'Sync have
some of the hippest hair-styles/facial hair configurations in the history of
Culture, but again: what does any of this have to do with MUSIC?[[
Because the fans of theirs are in the demographic that spends the most money
on CD's, posters, dolls, magazines and all that sort of marketing stuff. If
Aimee choose to sell out and start wearing spandex and skimpy tops and do
sexy videos we would hear music non stop on MTV and the radio. It's hard for
kids to like somebody just because their music happens to be good. Most of
the time, at that age, the quality of the music has the least effect on ones
popularity!
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From: "beachbum13" [lbigetwet@worldnet.att.net]
To: "Mannlist" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: Big Hit?
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:08:44 -0500
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For the past several months I have been listening to Aimee non stop. Most of
my friends are sick of hearing her. They're lose. But today I was driving
with a friend who has been very critical of Aimee calling her music boring
and dull. I was playing a new tape that I had made with the full version of
B#2 that I got at her concert. The first song on the tape is Ghost World. He
says to me halfway through the song, "This is Aimee Mann?" I proudly said,
"Sure is!" He goes on to say, "You know this song is really good! I'll bet
if she releases this as a single it will take off and be huge hit."
I never been a person to pick hits, most of the time my favorite songs are
usually the songs that never get played. I just wonder if radio would
embrace any song off B#2 due to the politics of the business? Imagine what a
wake up call it would be to the industry to see an independently released
song top the charts!
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From: "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
Subject: FW: RE: Brittney's breasts
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:10:58 -0800
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|From: "Steven E. Alter" [shteevea@earthlink.net]
|To: lbigetwet@worldnet.att.net
|Date: 3/31/00 10:06:58 PM
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I would argue that age has nothing to do with whether or not
one can appreciate quality -- whatever that is -- in music.
Sure, we happen to be in a time right now where a certain kind
of bubblegum pop is hugely popular, but my friend's 13-year old
daughter loves Dar Williams and Steve Earle. My four-year old
digs Fountains of Wayne way more than Brittney Spears. And,
old man that I am, I actually liked some of the first Hanson
album becuase the songs had good pop hooks.
|
|As for Aimee in spandex and tube tops, she's an adult making
pop music for adults and isn't really trying to sell to the teenybopper
crowd. And she already kinda did that gig with the first 'Til
Tuesday record, and don't think her image didn't help get that
record noticed.
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||From: "beachbum13" [lbigetwet@worldnet.att.net]
||To: "Mannlist" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
||Date: 3/31/00 9:49:50 PM
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||]]Brittney's breasts are lovely, artificial or not, but I don't
see how they
||are supposed to translate to radio. Similarly, I'm sure that
N'Sync have
||some of the hippest hair-styles/facial hair configurations
in the history of
||Culture, but again: what does any of this have to do with
MUSIC?[
because the fans of theirs are in the demographic that spends
the most money
on cd's, posters, dolls, magazines and all that sort of marketing
stuff. if
aimee choose to sell out and start wearing spandex and skimpy
tops and do
sexy videos we would hear music non stop on mtv and the radio.
it's hard for
kids to like somebody just because their music happens to be
good. most of
the time, at that age, the quality of the music has the least
effect on ones
popularity!
]
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From: "beachbum13" [lbigetwet@worldnet.att.net]
To: "Mannlist" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: RE: Brittney's breasts
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:31:48 -0500
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]]Sure, we happen to be in a time right now where a certain kind
of bubblegum pop is hugely popular[[
Bubblegum Pop is always in (meaning profitable and popular). Whether it is
Menudo, Debbie Gibson, The Partridge Family, Leif Garret or N'Sync. There is
always going to be a portion of the industry that gears to the pre-teen and
teen age group.
]]My four-year old digs Fountains of Wayne way more than Brittney Spears[[
There is always an exception to the rule!
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:30:34 -0500
Subject: Re: MANNLIST digest 744
From: Spencer Lewis [skilroy@earthlink.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
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If I advertise it as the best getaway car made, yes.
sl
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"That which doesn't kill us, makes us stranger." Aeon Flux
] From: Aimee Mann listproc [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
] Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
] Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:00:11 CST
] To: Aimee Mann listproc [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
] Subject: MANNLIST digest 744
]
] Similarly, if you own a store that gets robbed, you should be
] able to sue the makers of the getaway car that the robbers escaped
] in. After all, if they hadn't made the car, the robbers couldn't
] have committed the crime!
]
] Uh...wait a minute.... does this make sense?
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:39:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Napster ad nauseum
From: Spencer Lewis [skilroy@earthlink.net]
To: [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
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This is a ridiculous statement akin to the NRA'rs that say "guns don't kill
people, people kill people." C'mon - we know that most MP3's out there are
illegal. A product that makes it easy to find MP3's that other people make,
no matter what the stated purpose, is a product that makes it wasy to steal
from artists. Napster's argument sounds a lot like those gunmakers that
make the $70 guns and explain that they are making guns available for
everyone, even the poor; ignoring the fact that their guns are mostly used
for crime.
Unfortunately the labels aren't smart enough to realize that the best way to
combat this problem is to fully support digital music. If they spent half
the effort figuring out a way to make money at it, as they do trying to end
it, they would solve the problem, and have a little time to tackle world
peace.
sl
--
"It's harder to be friends than lovers, and you shouldn't try to mix the
two. Cause if you do it and your still unhappy, then you know that the
problem is you" --- Liz Phair
] From: Aimee Mann listproc [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
] Reply-To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
] Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:00:11 CST
] To: Aimee Mann listproc [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
] Subject: MANNLIST digest 744
]
] People have to be responsible for their own actions. Napster is not
] responsible for the illegal actions of its users. To say so is ridiculous.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:52:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Landon [eclectic_eel@yahoo.com]
Subject: Phil Must Don Mojo Must refer...
To: mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu
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Since all of the hubub - and backtracking into
personal-faves for movie references, etc...
Perhaps the initial remark about Phil's mortality -
was indeed itself - a reference...Mojo Nixon's Don
Henley thing...Anybody remember that ?
Could be, it was - from its 'genesis', a reference -
misunderstood, and mis-taken...? There must be some
misunderstanding...?
It's an easy pit to step-into...like, for the
introduction to the father of the new girl...I always
say "We've come for your daughter Chuck!"
To date, not a one has 'gotten' it...? But then - none
were "chuck"s ???
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Date: 31 Mar 00 23:44:49 EST
From: Rhonda [genesis717@usa.net]
To: "mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu" [mannlist@lists.cc.utexas.edu]
Subject: Re: Phil Collins: No Reply at All
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Image has much to do with whether or not a performer is successful. If we
lived in a world where it didn't matter, those artists wouldn't spend so much
time on it. Teenagers aren't the only ones affected by image either. They
just happen to be the most obvious about it.
Good fluff?:-) Well-made confection? Quality is a relative term. I think a
person's choice of music has more to do with personal taste than quality. On
that same note, artfullness is dependent upon personal taste and a personal
sense of values as well.
And just to clarify, I never thought that britney or nsync were all there was
to "pop" music, just that I happen to enjoy their (dare I say it music
sometimes.
] I certainly don't begrudge anyone their guilty musical
] pleasures (since I indulge in a few myself :-) but I'd like to point
] out that there is more to "pop" music than Brittney and N'Sync. The
] problem I have with the aforementioned artists is not that they
] perform fluffy pop but that they are simply marketing devices... more
] energy is spent determining what sort of haircuts they're to sport
] than what sort of music they are to perform. Brittney's breasts are
] lovely, artificial or not, but I don't see how they are suppoesd to
] translate to radio. Similarly, I'm sure that N'Sync have some of the
] hippest hair-styles/facial hair configurations in the history of
] Culture, but again: what does any of this have to do with MUSIC?
]
] And here's the thing: I don't believe that all music needs to be deep,
] but if I am to indulge my musical sweet tooth, I would prefer to
] consume a well made confection.
]
] Case in point: The new record by Catatonia ("equally cursed
] and blessed"). This is a Welsh pop band, with this totally out-there
] female vocalist... the lyrics range from clever to intolerably goofy,
] and the record certainly qualifies as fluff, but... there is a
] joyousness, and an ARTFULNESS to this specimen of mindless pop that
] none of these singing haircuts can hope to touch.
]
] There is GOOD FLUFF out there, folks: look for it!
]
] -greg
]
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