From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V16 #93 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to * her facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/PattyGriffin * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V16 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. * . * Also, PLEASE do not quote an entire digest when you reply to the * list. Edit out anything you are not referring to. * NOTE!! If you DO quote an entire digest, it will automatically be * deleted and not sent on to the list. mad-mission-digest Friday, August 2 2013 Volume 16 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: MM: digests [Bruce Greenberg ] Re: MM: digests [Mike Connell ] MM: RE: Thanks, Bruce! (re: Kiss Them For Me) [Bruce Greenberg Subject: RE: MM: digests I know I'm as guilty of this as anyone. In my defense, if I have to take the time to edit the bottom part of the email I will think twice about posting. I can whip out a response to a message pretty quickly, focusing on what I want to say and assuming people are sharp enough to see the thread below me and understanding where I'm coming from. But the extra time it takes to decide what to take out and what to leave in, and then to put the quote around it appropriately (especially if I'm writing from my phone) is time and brain consuming enough to make me hesitate. I know that for people on digests this is very annoying, but those of us who get every email, it isn't an issue at all. And geez, there is so little email going through here these days, how much of an issue is it to scroll a bit more. And that's my defense, for what it's worth. I will try and be a better citizen here. Bruce "Basically, my caveat if, it is fine to quote the post you are referring to, but it is best to edit out all that is not needed, and just leave quoted text that helps support your post as to what you are replying to or to support your point. Mike " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 18:13:31 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: MM: digests > Also, if people could edit out the previous messages from their > posts it would make reading the digests a lot easier. I've posted about that at least once a year the last several years but people just do not listen. And with very few new people joining the list over the years I know most here must have rad it before. Basically, my caveat if, it is fine to quote the post you are referring to, but it is best to edit out all that is not needed, and just leave quoted text that helps support your post as to what you are replying to or to support your point. While I love the lists I run and/or are a member of, this list is by far the worst in this regard. I mean, since your post I've seen some of the worst possible examples. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:13:05 +0000 From: Bruce Greenberg Subject: MM: RE: Thanks, Bruce! (re: Kiss Them For Me) And obviously, anyone else who wants to grab that link is welcome to. Bruce - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Israelson Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 12:26 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Thanks, Bruce! (re: Kiss Them For Me) You're the best...listening to it now. Cheers, Larry I in L.A. <-----Original Message-----> >From: Bruce Greenberg [Bruce@gdrgroup.com] >Sent: 8/2/2013 10:06:28 AM >To: LarryI@mail2larry.com;mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: RE: MM: Kiss Them For Me > >Here's a link Larry: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzp5liu3tm35yjg/Patty%20Griffin- >Silver%20Bell-15-Kiss%20Them%20For%20Me%20%28Outtake%20-%20200.mp3 > >I just found it myself. Apparently there was a 10th Anniversary bootleg of SB >out there and this was separated out. I too did not have a copy of it until >now. > >Bruce > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf >Of Lawrence Israelson >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 9:03 AM >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: Re: MM: Kiss Them For Me > >Is there a Volume 4 of LFML? Or could it be listed under a different title? >I'm not very familiar with Siouxsie's work, but Googling the lyrics did not >bring to mind any of the unreleased Patty that I've heard... > >Thanks, >Larry I in L.A. > ><-----Original Message-----> >>From: jmphlbat@comcast.net [jmphlbat@comcast.net] >>Sent: 8/2/2013 8:14:31 AM >>To: lisa071573@aol.com;mad-mission@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: MM: Kiss Them For Me >> >>It is on LFML >>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Lisa Ridlon >>Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org >>Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:47:08 >>To: >>Subject: Re: MM: Kiss Them For Me >> >>Yeah, if anyone wants to share the "Kiss Them For Me" version of Silver >Bell >>on dropbox, I'd be interested as well. The version I have ends with >Standing >>also and no hidden track. I've never heard of this other version with >the >>cover. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Lawrence Israelson >>To: mad-mission >>Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:21 pm >>Subject: MM: Kiss Them For Me >> >> >>I eagerly pulled out my copy of Silver Bell, but the track length of >>tanding is the same as on Impossible Dream, so no hidden bonus for e... >>Is anybody willing to share the "enhanced" version via Dropbox or ??? >>Thanks! >>arry I in L.A. >><-----Original Message-----> >>From: Rick Sayre [rbsayre@aol.com] >>Sent: 8/1/2013 10:43:22 PM >>To: mad-mission@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V16 #90 >> >>On the version I have, "Kiss them for me" is at the end on the same >>rack as "Standing." almost like a hidden track. >>. > > >

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Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:25:57 -0700 From: "Lawrence Israelson" Subject: MM: Thanks, Bruce! (re: Kiss Them For Me) You're the best...listening to it now. Cheers, Larry I in L.A. <-----Original Message-----> >From: Bruce Greenberg [Bruce@gdrgroup.com] >Sent: 8/2/2013 10:06:28 AM >To: LarryI@mail2larry.com;mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: RE: MM: Kiss Them For Me > >Here's a link Larry: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzp5liu3tm35yjg/Patty%20Griffin- >Silver%20Bell-15-Kiss%20Them%20For%20Me%20%28Outtake%20-%20200.mp3 > >I just found it myself. Apparently there was a 10th Anniversary bootleg of SB >out there and this was separated out. I too did not have a copy of it until >now. > >Bruce > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf >Of Lawrence Israelson >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 9:03 AM >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: Re: MM: Kiss Them For Me > >Is there a Volume 4 of LFML? Or could it be listed under a different title? >I'm not very familiar with Siouxsie's work, but Googling the lyrics did not >bring to mind any of the unreleased Patty that I've heard... > >Thanks, >Larry I in L.A. > ><-----Original Message-----> >>From: jmphlbat@comcast.net [jmphlbat@comcast.net] >>Sent: 8/2/2013 8:14:31 AM >>To: lisa071573@aol.com;mad-mission@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: MM: Kiss Them For Me >> >>It is on LFML >>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Lisa Ridlon >>Sender: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org >>Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 10:47:08 >>To: >>Subject: Re: MM: Kiss Them For Me >> >>Yeah, if anyone wants to share the "Kiss Them For Me" version of Silver >Bell >>on dropbox, I'd be interested as well. The version I have ends with >Standing >>also and no hidden track. I've never heard of this other version with >the >>cover. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Lawrence Israelson >>To: mad-mission >>Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:21 pm >>Subject: MM: Kiss Them For Me >> >> >>I eagerly pulled out my copy of Silver Bell, but the track length of >>tanding is the same as on Impossible Dream, so no hidden bonus for e... >>Is anybody willing to share the "enhanced" version via Dropbox or ??? >>Thanks! >>arry I in L.A. >><-----Original Message-----> >>From: Rick Sayre [rbsayre@aol.com] >>Sent: 8/1/2013 10:43:22 PM >>To: mad-mission@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: MM: Re: mad-mission-digest V16 #90 >> >>On the version I have, "Kiss them for me" is at the end on the same >>rack as "Standing." almost like a hidden track. >>. > > >

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Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:59:17 -0400 From: Lisa Zwick Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell, different tracklist I think we're all just a little peeved that A&M did this to her (and us?) in the first place and are now going to make money off of it now that she's already had the exposure. It's pretty convenient for them to release it now that she's been touring and getting exposure from her *current* label, so A&M doesn't even have to do any work to sell the album. - -Lisa Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:49 AM, wrote: > 'Money grab"? Are we all socialists now??? (just kidding) > > I am a little surprised to hear this tone. Usually when people are stealing music by downloading without paying, they argue that 'the exposure will grow new fans and more sales'. Will this not do the same? I suppose Patty makes most of her money touring anyway. > > Comrade Mike > > > > ---- Lisa Zwick wrote: >> That sucks :( >> Her current label is doing all the work and the one that screwed her over will >> now make all the money off that work (and hers of course). >> We should all just say screw it and send Patty the money directly. :P >> >> -Lisa >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:12 AM, jmphlbat@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> The owner of the A&M Catalog sold off the two songs so they no longer have >> rights to them. >>> >>> >>> >>> They cut the cover song as they do not want to pay Siouxsie for it >>> >>> >>> >>> The additions were there so they used them >>> >>> >>> >>> Haven't spoken to anyone in PG's camp but I am guessing >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a money grab for the company that owns the catalog and that PG will >> get little or nothing >>> >>> >>> >>> from this >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Lisa Zwick" >>> To: "Karen Hester" >>> Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org >>> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:54:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell, different tracklist >>> >>> Whoa...that is not the usually Patty cover... >>> >>> Can't wait to hear the album! >>> >>> -Lisa >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Karen Hester wrote: >>> >>>> Oldie 'So Long' is on there - we know the live version from the 'Love >> From >>>> My Lips' boots organized by this list. Also a song called 'Fragile' - >>>> anyone know that one? >>>> >>>> The songs lopped off are 'Standing' - the same recording was used on >>>> 'Impossible Dream.' 'Making Pies', which is definitely different on '1000 >>>> Kisses'. >>>> >>>> And no sign of the cover version of 'Kiss them for me' (Siouxsie song). >>>> >>>> What is the meaning of the artwork?! >>>> http://www.amazon.com/Silver-Bell-Patty-Griffin/dp/B00E0P8VQQ/ >>>> >>>> Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 16:09:21 +0000 From: jmphlbat@comcast.net Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell, different tracklist A and M no longer exists it is a company that now owns the catalog Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry - -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Zwick Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:59:17 To: Cc: jmphlbat@comcast.net; Karen Hester; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell, different tracklist I think we're all just a little peeved that A&M did this to her (and us?) in the first place and are now going to make money off of it now that she's already had the exposure. It's pretty convenient for them to release it now that she's been touring and getting exposure from her *current* label, so A&M doesn't even have to do any work to sell the album. - -Lisa Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:49 AM, wrote: > 'Money grab"? Are we all socialists now??? (just kidding) > > I am a little surprised to hear this tone. Usually when people are stealing music by downloading without paying, they argue that 'the exposure will grow new fans and more sales'. Will this not do the same? I suppose Patty makes most of her money touring anyway. > > Comrade Mike > > > > ---- Lisa Zwick wrote: >> That sucks :( >> Her current label is doing all the work and the one that screwed her over will >> now make all the money off that work (and hers of course). >> We should all just say screw it and send Patty the money directly. :P >> >> -Lisa >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:12 AM, jmphlbat@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> The owner of the A&M Catalog sold off the two songs so they no longer have >> rights to them. >>> >>> >>> >>> They cut the cover song as they do not want to pay Siouxsie for it >>> >>> >>> >>> The additions were there so they used them >>> >>> >>> >>> Haven't spoken to anyone in PG's camp but I am guessing >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a money grab for the company that owns the catalog and that PG will >> get little or nothing >>> >>> >>> >>> from this >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Lisa Zwick" >>> To: "Karen Hester" >>> Cc: mad-mission@smoe.org >>> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:54:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: MM: Silver Bell, different tracklist >>> >>> Whoa...that is not the usually Patty cover... >>> >>> Can't wait to hear the album! >>> >>> -Lisa >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Karen Hester wrote: >>> >>>> Oldie 'So Long' is on there - we know the live version from the 'Love >> From >>>> My Lips' boots organized by this list. Also a song called 'Fragile' - >>>> anyone know that one? >>>> >>>> The songs lopped off are 'Standing' - the same recording was used on >>>> 'Impossible Dream.' 'Making Pies', which is definitely different on '1000 >>>> Kisses'. >>>> >>>> And no sign of the cover version of 'Kiss them for me' (Siouxsie song). >>>> >>>> What is the meaning of the artwork?! >>>> http://www.amazon.com/Silver-Bell-Patty-Griffin/dp/B00E0P8VQQ/ >>>> >>>> Karen ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V16 #93 *********************************