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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, February 25 2009 Volume 12 : Number 008 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Electric LWG? [Christoph Heidrich ] Re: MM: Electric LWG? [jmphlbat@comcast.net] MM: Record Company Insanity [Geoff Davis ] MM: LWG ["Maureen Scott" ] MM: Silver Bell - was Re: Electric LWG? ["Amy Silver O'Leary" Subject: MM: Electric LWG? And I congratulated myself for finding the Rain single. :/ This calls for Indiana Jones! :) Chris - --- jmphlbat@comcast.net schrieb am Mi, 25.2.2009: > Von: jmphlbat@comcast.net > Betreff: Re: MM: Re: RE: Re: Electric LWG? > An: "Terry Kline" , owner-mad-mission@smoe.org, "Scott Zimmerman" > CC: "Bruce Greenberg" , mad-mission@smoe.org > Datum: Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2009, 3:40 > Not the same The promo was just an electronic remix > > This was done by others and not a Malcolm Burn project > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Kline > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:24:46 > To: Scott Zimmerman > Cc: Bruce Greenberg; > > Subject: Re: MM: Re: RE: Re: Electric LWG? > > > There is a promotional CD (A&M, 1997) called "Let > Him Fly" that includes > three tracks: > > - Let Him Fly (Remix of the LWG version with violin, light > drums added) > - Let Him Fly (Original LP Version) > - Every Little Bit (Remix of the LWG version with > additional instruments > added--drums/percussion, bass, second guitar, synthesizer) > > The original LWG was studio recorded, but they decided to > print Patty's demo > tape instead because it captured her natural emotions > better than the studio > version. I do not know if the studio version had any > additional instruments > or if there are any copies out there. > > I think a few people on the list may be confusing the > promotional CD with > the studio version of LWG. > > > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Scott Zimmerman > wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce > Greenberg" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:36 PM > > Subject: MM: RE: Re: Electric LWG? > > > > > > In the more than half dozen years I've been around > the online Patty world, > > I've never run into anyone who has heard, or > admitted to hearing the ELWG > > tapes. But I'd like someone to fess up, and > dish@spillthebeans.netalready! > > LOL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:15:10 +0000 From: jmphlbat@comcast.net Subject: Re: MM: Electric LWG? The US one or the UK one withj "The Long Stairs L on it Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry - -----Original Message----- From: Christoph Heidrich Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:14:01 To: Subject: MM: Electric LWG? And I congratulated myself for finding the Rain single. :/ This calls for Indiana Jones! :) Chris - --- jmphlbat@comcast.net schrieb am Mi, 25.2.2009: > Von: jmphlbat@comcast.net > Betreff: Re: MM: Re: RE: Re: Electric LWG? > An: "Terry Kline" , owner-mad-mission@smoe.org, "Scott Zimmerman" > CC: "Bruce Greenberg" , mad-mission@smoe.org > Datum: Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2009, 3:40 > Not the same The promo was just an electronic remix > > This was done by others and not a Malcolm Burn project > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Kline > > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:24:46 > To: Scott Zimmerman > Cc: Bruce Greenberg; > > Subject: Re: MM: Re: RE: Re: Electric LWG? > > > There is a promotional CD (A&M, 1997) called "Let > Him Fly" that includes > three tracks: > > - Let Him Fly (Remix of the LWG version with violin, light > drums added) > - Let Him Fly (Original LP Version) > - Every Little Bit (Remix of the LWG version with > additional instruments > added--drums/percussion, bass, second guitar, synthesizer) > > The original LWG was studio recorded, but they decided to > print Patty's demo > tape instead because it captured her natural emotions > better than the studio > version. I do not know if the studio version had any > additional instruments > or if there are any copies out there. > > I think a few people on the list may be confusing the > promotional CD with > the studio version of LWG. > > > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Scott Zimmerman > wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce > Greenberg" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:36 PM > > Subject: MM: RE: Re: Electric LWG? > > > > > > In the more than half dozen years I've been around > the online Patty world, > > I've never run into anyone who has heard, or > admitted to hearing the ELWG > > tapes. But I'd like someone to fess up, and > dish@spillthebeans.netalready! > > LOL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:09:38 -0500 From: Geoff Davis Subject: MM: Record Company Insanity This is the thing I absolutely do not get. You have a record industry in dire straits so desperate that utter smoking ruin is just a Billboard chart or two away. Sales are plummeting. Layoffs are rampant. Their core customers, for the most part, despise them with the kind of animosity reserved for serial killers and malevolent despots. And yet records like ELWG and Silver Bell, music that we the fans want and would pay for in a heartbeat, remain locked in a cabinet somewhere beneath that stack of gold records from the 70s that execs are melting down to make payroll. Where is the sense in all this? What is with these record company guys? Do you have to be box-of-rocks stupid or just plain insane to work for a major label? Because this is just Bizarro World behavior. Here we have an acclaimed artist of incalculable talent. She has a pretty rabid fan base (that would be us) and for the most part sells well over 100,000 albums with each release. Why on Earth would you keep a recording that you own from this artist locked up in a vault somewhere? Where is the sense in that? That's like saying "no thanks" to the guy who's trying to hand you a check for a million dollars as you're walking into bankruptcy court. It's brain-dead behavior. Monkeys would do better. These records are finished. They are in the proverbial can. From a business perspective, wouldn't you want to recoup your investment? Or just make the money if you simply own the recording as a result of mergers and acquisitions? Especially given that your company is on life support and in need of any oxygen it can get? With Patty selling a fair amount of records, you'd have a great shot at a decent payday. It's not like these records consist of a yodeling Patty banging on a trashcan lid while Doug strums a warped ukelele and makes toilet noises in the background . I've heard Silver Bell. It's a great record, a fully formed work of tremendous depth and complexity. It's completely criminal that this thing has not been released. Completely. I'm fairly well convinced that ELWG would invoke the same response. And that's the ultimate insult to the fans, the people who really care about the music on something akin to a spiritual level. We are denied these works because some mentally challenged bean counter somewhere decided they didn't hear a single, which essentially places our cherished art and the artists who make it in the hands of people who could care less and are only in it for the money, and can't even get that right. It's absurd. No wonder the industry is burnt toast headed for the ash heap of history. They've earned it. And Patty is not the only artist to suffer this despicable fate. The extraordinary Shannon McNally (check her out if you haven't heard her--her music would, I think, appeal enormously to Patty people) made a record almost two years ago with the North Mississippi Allstars and her (I think ex-) label won't release it. She can't afford to buy it back from them. And so there it sits on a shelf somewhere. Mixed. Mastered. Disappeared. She loses. Her fans lose. And the label loses. Nice work. Okay. No more ranting. Maybe we'll hear ELWG someday. We'll all be 85. Sitting in a nursing home conspiring to get the orderlies to buy us some beer, and we'll hear an item on the news that the long lost ELWG album from famous singer Patty Griffin has been discovered in the back of a drawer in a dresser purchased at an auction from the estate of the late Jackson Browne. It's okay. I can wait... - --Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:45:50 -0600 From: "Russell Weaver" Subject: MM: Did someone say box set? I suppose getting three competing record companies (ATO, EMI, and A&M Fontana) and maybe even Jackson Browne :-) to work out a deal would be complicated, but considering the many extras that a Patty Griffin box set could include (not just some stuff from ELWG and Silver Bell, but all those other songs that she's had floating around all these years), any complication to put a box set together would really be worth it (to us anyway). But like you say Bruce, maybe it's just a dream. Russell - ------Original Message------ From: Bruce Greenberg To: Jim Murphy Subject: RE: MM: RE: Re: Electric LWG? Sent: Feb 24, 2009 6:17 PM I assume A&M owns the masters? A box set by Patty would end this conversation. That would be a tough job though. ATO would have to negotiate something with Universal/A&M/Octone or whoever has the masters these days. And ELWG and Silver Bell would be the key "extras" in the box set. Oh well, one can dream. :-) bruce "Shawn Colvin had a copy and she gave it to Jackson Browne and that one hasn't been scene since. Patty's ex-husband has one in some box somewhere; Patty threw hers out in one move or another. Malcolm and the record company must have one each so you never know" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:14:47 -0500 From: "Maureen Scott" Subject: MM: LWG And I was thrilled when I got a cassette single of Moses (and maybe Mad Mission). That's right boys and girls...a cassette... It's a little square plastic thing with 2 holes that plays music. I remember because Patty was handing them out after a show at The Kendall Cafe in Cambridge. This was well before LWG came out when I used to see Patty for FREE :) She, of course, is worth every dollar I've spent...so far ;) Now where IS my cassette player?? Maureen~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:55:49 -0500 From: "Amy Silver O'Leary" Subject: MM: Silver Bell - was Re: Electric LWG? While we're on the subject (of Patty recordings I wish I had), does anyone have a copy of Silver Bell that's in a higher quality format than MP3? I got an MP3 version years ago (via dial-up, as I recall), but my aging ears have become weary of MP3s. My husband and I have been re-ripping all our CDs in higher quality onto the hard disk that serves as our jukebox. We listen to digital music through a 1964 tube amp and fancy schmancy concert hall speakers and can almost pretend like we're listening to records. (Of course, the ideal format for all Patty recordings would be vinyl....) We'll be on the boat. Amy Silver O'Leary, Patty-smitten lurker from way back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:29:36 +0000 From: jmphlbat@comcast.net Subject: Re: MM: Record Company Insanity PG doeasn't want it released she is happy with LWG as it is She did buy back a couple of song from SB BTW Her new album title "Downtown Church" will be released on May 19th Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry - -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Davis Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:09:38 To: Subject: MM: Record Company Insanity This is the thing I absolutely do not get. You have a record industry in dire straits so desperate that utter smoking ruin is just a Billboard chart or two away. Sales are plummeting. Layoffs are rampant. Their core customers, for the most part, despise them with the kind of animosity reserved for serial killers and malevolent despots. And yet records like ELWG and Silver Bell, music that we the fans want and would pay for in a heartbeat, remain locked in a cabinet somewhere beneath that stack of gold records from the 70s that execs are melting down to make payroll. Where is the sense in all this? What is with these record company guys? Do you have to be box-of-rocks stupid or just plain insane to work for a major label? Because this is just Bizarro World behavior. Here we have an acclaimed artist of incalculable talent. She has a pretty rabid fan base (that would be us) and for the most part sells well over 100,000 albums with each release. Why on Earth would you keep a recording that you own from this artist locked up in a vault somewhere? Where is the sense in that? That's like saying "no thanks" to the guy who's trying to hand you a check for a million dollars as you're walking into bankruptcy court. It's brain-dead behavior. Monkeys would do better. These records are finished. They are in the proverbial can. From a business perspective, wouldn't you want to recoup your investment? Or just make the money if you simply own the recording as a result of mergers and acquisitions? Especially given that your company is on life support and in need of any oxygen it can get? With Patty selling a fair amount of records, you'd have a great shot at a decent payday. It's not like these records consist of a yodeling Patty banging on a trashcan lid while Doug strums a warped ukelele and makes toilet noises in the background . I've heard Silver Bell. It's a great record, a fully formed work of tremendous depth and complexity. It's completely criminal that this thing has not been released. Completely. I'm fairly well convinced that ELWG would invoke the same response. And that's the ultimate insult to the fans, the people who really care about the music on something akin to a spiritual level. We are denied these works because some mentally challenged bean counter somewhere decided they didn't hear a single, which essentially places our cherished art and the artists who make it in the hands of people who could care less and are only in it for the money, and can't even get that right. It's absurd. No wonder the industry is burnt toast headed for the ash heap of history. They've earned it. And Patty is not the only artist to suffer this despicable fate. The extraordinary Shannon McNally (check her out if you haven't heard her--her music would, I think, appeal enormously to Patty people) made a record almost two years ago with the North Mississippi Allstars and her (I think ex-) label won't release it. She can't afford to buy it back from them. And so there it sits on a shelf somewhere. Mixed. Mastered. Disappeared. She loses. Her fans lose. And the label loses. Nice work. Okay. No more ranting. Maybe we'll hear ELWG someday. We'll all be 85. Sitting in a nursing home conspiring to get the orderlies to buy us some beer, and we'll hear an item on the news that the long lost ELWG album from famous singer Patty Griffin has been discovered in the back of a drawer in a dresser purchased at an auction from the estate of the late Jackson Browne. It's okay. I can wait... - --Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:45:50 -0600 From: "Russell Weaver" Subject: MM: Did someone say box set? I suppose getting three competing record companies (ATO, EMI, and A&M Fontana) and maybe even Jackson Browne :-) to work out a deal would be complicated, but considering the many extras that a Patty Griffin box set could include (not just some stuff from ELWG and Silver Bell, but all those other songs that she's had floating around all these years), any complication to put a box set together would really be worth it (to us anyway). But like you say Bruce, maybe it's just a dream. Russell - ------Original Message------ From: Bruce Greenberg To: Jim Murphy Subject: RE: MM: RE: Re: Electric LWG? Sent: Feb 24, 2009 6:17 PM I assume A&M owns the masters? A box set by Patty would end this conversation. That would be a tough job though. ATO would have to negotiate something with Universal/A&M/Octone or whoever has the masters these days. And ELWG and Silver Bell would be the key "extras" in the box set. Oh well, one can dream. :-) bruce "Shawn Colvin had a copy and she gave it to Jackson Browne and that one hasn't been scene since. Patty's ex-husband has one in some box somewhere; Patty threw hers out in one move or another. Malcolm and the record company must have one each so you never know" ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V12 #8 ********************************