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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Monday, September 24 2007 Volume 11 : Number 182 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: photographing Patty in Australia [David Gilliver ] MM: Re: photographing Patty in Australia ["Genevieve" Subject: MM: photographing Patty in Australia I've been a Patty fan for a couple of years (came in through Dixie Chicks "Top Of The World", then bought "Flaming Red", the rest is history) so I'm quite excited that Patty is finally heading out to Australia. I've got tickets for both of the shows she's playing here in Melbourne in November. The reason why I'm writing now is that I'm a keen amateur photographer (my day job is in IT) and it would be a thrill for me shoot one of her shows for her. The show I have in mind is the one immediately after the two Melbourne shows, down in the little town of Meeniyan (I think it's population is about 1000 people). It's a wonderfully unique little venue in the middle of nowhere which is bring-your-own everything (the audience cart in their picnic baskets with food and drink for the show). My question is: if I wanted to photograph this show, what would be the best way of going about it? I would prefer to get permission from Patty and/her management first. I would be happy to work within whatever rules/guidelines Patty and co dictate. When I shot Hothouse Flowers at the venue last year, I had a pre-existing relationship with them so they were happy for me to shoot setup, soundcheck, backstage and the entire show itself. I basically crept around and kept out of everyone's way. I'm happy to deal with venue staff directly, I think I can pull some strings with some contacts to organise that side of it. All photos shot would be provided to Patty for whatever use she sees fit. If that means she just throws the disc into the trashcan, well, that's up to her. :-) I probably won't do much with them myself other than put a few on my website so I can say "I got to shoot Patty!". A number of local musicians would vouch for me but I'm not sure if that's useful. Photography is a hobby for me and I'm not really interested in taking it beyond that (it'd become a chore then). Samples of my gig photography: http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2006/09apr06 (Irish band Hothouse Flowers at Meeniyan last year) http://localhost/gilliver.net/gallery/shoots/2006/11apr06 (Hothouse Flowers at Melbourne's Corner Hotel a couple of days later) http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2007/03aug07 (actor Guy Pearce and friends) http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2007/14apr07 (Melbourne musician live DVD shoot) My full best-of-Dave portfolio can be seen here: http://photos.gilliver.net If anyone here knows the best way to pursue this, let me know. - ------------------------------------------------ david gilliver - www.gilliver.net stephen cummings webmaster. wannabe photographer. occasional writer. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:21:26 -0400 From: "Genevieve" Subject: MM: Re: photographing Patty in Australia I don't know if this will help but the 2 shows I have been in I was able to take flash pictures during the entire show. I am not sure how you would go to ask her management but sure...ask... Just wanted you to know that so far, I never had a picture problem! Enjoy her she is such a gem! Cheers- Genevieve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gilliver" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: MM: photographing Patty in Australia > I've been a Patty fan for a couple of years (came in through Dixie Chicks > "Top Of The World", then bought "Flaming Red", the rest is history) so I'm > quite excited that Patty is finally heading out to Australia. I've got > tickets for both of the shows she's playing here in Melbourne in November. > > The reason why I'm writing now is that I'm a keen amateur photographer (my > day job is in IT) and it would be a thrill for me shoot one of her shows > for her. > > The show I have in mind is the one immediately after the two Melbourne > shows, down in the little town of Meeniyan (I think it's population is > about 1000 people). It's a wonderfully unique little venue in the middle > of nowhere which is bring-your-own everything (the audience cart in their > picnic baskets with food and drink for the show). > > My question is: if I wanted to photograph this show, what would be the > best way of going about it? I would prefer to get permission from Patty > and/her management first. > > I would be happy to work within whatever rules/guidelines Patty and co > dictate. When I shot Hothouse Flowers at the venue last year, I had a > pre-existing relationship with them so they were happy for me to shoot > setup, soundcheck, backstage and the entire show itself. I basically crept > around and kept out of everyone's way. I'm happy to deal with venue staff > directly, I think I can pull some strings with some contacts to organise > that side of it. > > All photos shot would be provided to Patty for whatever use she sees fit. > If that means she just throws the disc into the trashcan, well, that's up > to her. :-) I probably won't do much with them myself other than put a few > on my website so I can say "I got to shoot Patty!". A number of local > musicians would vouch for me but I'm not sure if that's useful. > Photography is a hobby for me and I'm not really interested in taking it > beyond that (it'd become a chore then). > > Samples of my gig photography: > > http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2006/09apr06 > (Irish band Hothouse Flowers at Meeniyan last year) > > http://localhost/gilliver.net/gallery/shoots/2006/11apr06 > (Hothouse Flowers at Melbourne's Corner Hotel a couple of days later) > > http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2007/03aug07 > (actor Guy Pearce and friends) > > http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2007/14apr07 > (Melbourne musician live DVD shoot) > > My full best-of-Dave portfolio can be seen here: > > http://photos.gilliver.net > > If anyone here knows the best way to pursue this, let me know. > > ------------------------------------------------ > david gilliver - www.gilliver.net > stephen cummings webmaster. > wannabe photographer. occasional writer. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:19:50 +1000 (EST) From: "David Gilliver" Subject: MM: Re: photographing Patty in Australia As a rule (and it's a fairly definite one) I don't use flash when photographing concerts. Concerts are professionally lit a certain way but the moment you set off the flash, you override that and you get that unmistakeable this-was-shot-with-a-flash look in your photos. The concert lighting may not be as bright as your flash, but it usually looks much better as it's been 'designed' by professionals. The other (and perhaps more important) problem with flash is it's annoying. It's annoying to the musicians on stage and it's annoying to the people around you. This is especially true at quieter shows when a sudden flash can really kill the mood of the show. My goal as a gig photographer is to capture what's happening without interfering with it. That means that I move around so that the sound of the shutter isn't in someone's ear all night. It means I only move between songs, so that I don't walk in front of someone at a key point in a song they love. It means that when I stop to take a photo, I first check to see if I'm standing in anyone's way. While I'm not a pro and have no real ambitions to be a pro, I approach my photography professionally because I care about getting good shots. That means using professional grade equipment (my primary gig lens is approx 1 foot long) and I make sure that I have permission from the appropriate parties before getting my camera out. If I was performer and I looked down at the audience and saw this big camera pointed at me, my first thought would be "who the hell is that and what the hell is he doing?". At the gigs I shoot now, the performers look down and think "hey, there's Dave doing his photography thing, he's getting cool snaps of us" and they don't worry about it. It's better for me and more importantly, it's better for them. When I shot Hothouse Flowers at this venue, they were happy for me to have full access. At soundcheck I was able to shoot from different angles without having to worry about getting in the way of the audience. I was able to take some candid backstage shots of the band sitting around the wood fire. I had venue staff helping me into otherwise inaccessible places to shoot from. The big buzz for me was that when the band came off stage at the end of the night, the first thing the lead singer did when he came backstage was wander over to my laptop and ask "get some cool shots?" The staff at this venue are pretty easygoing and helpful so I don't expect any concerns from them if I ask to shoot this show. However, if Patty feels uncomfortable with me pointing a camera at her or is worried that photography annoys her audience, I probably wouldn't even take my camera. If she and her management have certain guidelines I need to work within, I'm more than happy to do that. As I said, Patty will get all of these shots free of charge. All I ask in return is permission to do my whole gig photography thing. :-) Genevieve wrote: > I don't know if this will help but the 2 shows I have been in I was able > to take flash pictures during the entire show. > > I am not sure how you would go to ask her management but sure...ask... > > Just wanted you to know that so far, I never had a picture problem! > > Enjoy her she is such a gem! > Cheers- > Genevieve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Gilliver" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:21 AM > Subject: MM: photographing Patty in Australia > > >> I've been a Patty fan for a couple of years (came in through Dixie >> Chicks >> "Top Of The World", then bought "Flaming Red", the rest is history) so >> I'm >> quite excited that Patty is finally heading out to Australia. I've got >> tickets for both of the shows she's playing here in Melbourne in >> November. >> >> The reason why I'm writing now is that I'm a keen amateur photographer >> (my >> day job is in IT) and it would be a thrill for me shoot one of her shows >> for her. >> >> The show I have in mind is the one immediately after the two Melbourne >> shows, down in the little town of Meeniyan (I think it's population is >> about 1000 people). It's a wonderfully unique little venue in the middle >> of nowhere which is bring-your-own everything (the audience cart in >> their >> picnic baskets with food and drink for the show). >> >> My question is: if I wanted to photograph this show, what would be the >> best way of going about it? I would prefer to get permission from Patty >> and/her management first. >> >> I would be happy to work within whatever rules/guidelines Patty and co >> dictate. When I shot Hothouse Flowers at the venue last year, I had a >> pre-existing relationship with them so they were happy for me to shoot >> setup, soundcheck, backstage and the entire show itself. I basically >> crept >> around and kept out of everyone's way. I'm happy to deal with venue >> staff >> directly, I think I can pull some strings with some contacts to organise >> that side of it. >> >> All photos shot would be provided to Patty for whatever use she sees >> fit. >> If that means she just throws the disc into the trashcan, well, that's >> up >> to her. :-) I probably won't do much with them myself other than put a >> few >> on my website so I can say "I got to shoot Patty!". A number of local >> musicians would vouch for me but I'm not sure if that's useful. >> Photography is a hobby for me and I'm not really interested in taking it >> beyond that (it'd become a chore then). >> >> Samples of my gig photography: >> >> http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2006/09apr06 >> (Irish band Hothouse Flowers at Meeniyan last year) >> >> http://localhost/gilliver.net/gallery/shoots/2006/11apr06 >> (Hothouse Flowers at Melbourne's Corner Hotel a couple of days later) >> >> http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2007/03aug07 >> (actor Guy Pearce and friends) >> >> http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2007/14apr07 >> (Melbourne musician live DVD shoot) >> >> My full best-of-Dave portfolio can be seen here: >> >> http://photos.gilliver.net >> >> If anyone here knows the best way to pursue this, let me know. >> >> ------------------------------------------------ >> david gilliver - www.gilliver.net >> stephen cummings webmaster. >> wannabe photographer. occasional writer. >> > > > - ------------------------------------------------ david gilliver - www.gilliver.net stephen cummings webmaster. wannabe photographer. occasional writer. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:32:45 -0500 From: "Jennifer Caputo" Subject: MM: Re: Re: photographing Patty in Australia Love this post David, Totally agree with what you've had to say here. Do you read John Harrington's blog ever (http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/)? You can see his concert photography here: http://www.johnharrington.com/dc-photographer-gallery/inconcert/index.html He just did a series on Concert Photography that you might find interesting: http://photobusinessforum.blogspot.com/2007/09/so-you-want-to-shoot-concerts-primer.html In which he made this point: "Oh, and one last thing - if you think that your $300 flash can light the stage better than a $10k-$1M lighting truss, operated by a skilled technician who took all day to get the light perfect on stage, then stop taking pictures and revisit lighting 101." Love that one! Anyway, I forwarded your email to Patty's manager. I hope it works out for you! Would love to see your shots after the show! I just redid my website, and the galleries are hardly full but if you are interested: http://www.jencaputo.com - Jen www.pattygriffin.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gilliver" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: MM: Re: photographing Patty in Australia > As a rule (and it's a fairly definite one) I don't use flash when > photographing concerts. Concerts are professionally lit a certain way but > the moment you set off the flash, you override that and you get that > unmistakeable this-was-shot-with-a-flash look in your photos. The concert > lighting may not be as bright as your flash, but it usually looks much > better as it's been 'designed' by professionals. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:02:59 +1000 From: "Khanh Hoang" Subject: Re: MM: Re: photographing Patty in Australia Thanks Genevieve, I have tickets to both shows in Sydney and hopefully will be able to take get some good captures. I like your work Dave, looking forward to seeing your pictures too! Very excited about seeing Patty live! Khanh On 9/25/07, Genevieve wrote: > > I don't know if this will help but the 2 shows I have been in I was able > to > take flash pictures during the entire show. > > I am not sure how you would go to ask her management but sure...ask... > > Just wanted you to know that so far, I never had a picture problem! > > Enjoy her she is such a gem! > Cheers- > Genevieve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Gilliver" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:21 AM > Subject: MM: photographing Patty in Australia > > > > I've been a Patty fan for a couple of years (came in through Dixie > Chicks > > "Top Of The World", then bought "Flaming Red", the rest is history) so > I'm > > quite excited that Patty is finally heading out to Australia. I've got > > tickets for both of the shows she's playing here in Melbourne in > November. > > > > The reason why I'm writing now is that I'm a keen amateur photographer > (my > > day job is in IT) and it would be a thrill for me shoot one of her shows > > for her. > > > > The show I have in mind is the one immediately after the two Melbourne > > shows, down in the little town of Meeniyan (I think it's population is > > about 1000 people). It's a wonderfully unique little venue in the middle > > of nowhere which is bring-your-own everything (the audience cart in > their > > picnic baskets with food and drink for the show). > > > > My question is: if I wanted to photograph this show, what would be the > > best way of going about it? I would prefer to get permission from Patty > > and/her management first. > > > > I would be happy to work within whatever rules/guidelines Patty and co > > dictate. When I shot Hothouse Flowers at the venue last year, I had a > > pre-existing relationship with them so they were happy for me to shoot > > setup, soundcheck, backstage and the entire show itself. I basically > crept > > around and kept out of everyone's way. I'm happy to deal with venue > staff > > directly, I think I can pull some strings with some contacts to organise > > that side of it. > > > > All photos shot would be provided to Patty for whatever use she sees > fit. > > If that means she just throws the disc into the trashcan, well, that's > up > > to her. :-) I probably won't do much with them myself other than put a > few > > on my website so I can say "I got to shoot Patty!". A number of local > > musicians would vouch for me but I'm not sure if that's useful. > > Photography is a hobby for me and I'm not really interested in taking it > > beyond that (it'd become a chore then). > > > > Samples of my gig photography: > > > > http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2006/09apr06 > > (Irish band Hothouse Flowers at Meeniyan last year) > > > > http://localhost/gilliver.net/gallery/shoots/2006/11apr06 > > (Hothouse Flowers at Melbourne's Corner Hotel a couple of days later) > > > > http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2007/03aug07 > > (actor Guy Pearce and friends) > > > > http://photos.gilliver.net/shoots/2007/14apr07 > > (Melbourne musician live DVD shoot) > > > > My full best-of-Dave portfolio can be seen here: > > > > http://photos.gilliver.net > > > > If anyone here knows the best way to pursue this, let me know. > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > david gilliver - www.gilliver.net > > stephen cummings webmaster. > > wannabe photographer. occasional writer. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V11 #182 **********************************