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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Monday, February 12 2007 Volume 11 : Number 052 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Heavenly Day [jmphlbat@comcast.net] Re: MM: Heavenly Day [David Tumbarello ] Re: MM: Heavenly Day ["Lawrence Israelson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:29:48 +0000 From: jmphlbat@comcast.net Subject: Re: MM: Heavenly Day The choice of "Heavenly Days" as the single was Ms. Griffin's from day one. The idea of having "No Bad News" as the follow-up makes perfect sense as when it comes out as the 2nd single, it will bring the album back to the forfront again. Doing things the other way around, might not get the same result It also take the album into the Hot AC (Adult Comtemp)stream with the album's release, the rocker would not! Murph - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lawrence Israelson" > As I see it, "No Bad News" was the clear choice for the first single > from CRT. If she had performed that song on Letterman, I think she would > have brought down the house and half of the audience would have gone out > and purchased the CD. Just my opinion, but in the first week I'll bet > I've played NBN 10 times more often than "Heavenly Day." Furthermore, if > the brain trust felt NBN was perhaps too raucous or not representative > of most of Patty's work, I also find "I Don't Ever Give Up" more > striking and memorable than "Heavenly Day." Again, I don't dislike > "Heavenly Day" and everybody who likes the song more than I do is > certainly entitled to that opinion. I just don't believe it's a song > that makes Patty "stand out in the crowd" in the way that she actually > does. > > Cheers, > Larry I in LA > > <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Jon Schneider [jonwendy@juno.com] > Sent: 2/12/2007 8:41:29 AM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Heavenly Day > > I beg to differ. I think it's a wonderful song, a wonderful single and a > wonderful introduction to Patty to newcomers. I can totally see it as a > possible breakthrough. I didn't really understand it when "Love Throw a > Line" > was the choice last time out though. I think "Heavenly Day" and "No Bad > News" > will be an amazing 1-2 punch and if they fail it will be due to > promotion, > marketing, etc. not due to poor choice of songs, imo. > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > First, please, PLEASE don't take this personally, Murph, just because > you raised the subject. I must say, however, that the idea that record > companies look for "accessible" songs to push as radio singles just > drives me up the wall. To me, "accessible" is industry-speak for safe, > non-threatening, just-like-everything-else-on-the-radio music. (And, no, > I'm no "insider," but a life-long music lover with a collection that > runs the gamut from Edith Piaf to Green Day.) > > I'm not saying that "Heavenly Day" is tripe, far from it. The melody is > lovely and Patty's vocals are terrific. I just know that last week, > while CRT was emanating nearly nonstop from the iPod dock on my desk, > when a co-worker stopped to ask "Who IS that?" it was never while > "Heavenly Day" was playing. Put another way, if I were commissioned to > put together a 90-minute career retrospective CD of Patty Griffin's > music, "Heavenly Day" would be hard-pressed to make the cut. > > If Patty were an established "hit-maker" with a built-in radio audience > for her newest release, that would be one thing. But, if the first > single from a new album by an artist with no proven radio track record > generates lukewarm response, will subsequent singles even be considered > for airplay? > > Honestly, I hope I am wrong, and that the good folks at ATO (and hell, > maybe it was Patty's decision) are smarter than me when it comes to > promoting new CDs. Perhaps "Heavenly Day" will do for Patty what (first > thing that popped into my head) "Just The Way You Are" did for Billy > Joel. It just pains me that somebody with Patty's peerless combination > of songwriting chops and singing ability is still waiting for > "mainstream success" after all these years. > > Cheers, > Larry I in LA > > > Looking for insurance? Compare and save 50% today. Shop here: > > > > > > > > style="font-size:13.5px">_______________________________________________ > _____ > ___________ > Get the Free email that has everyone talking at > href=http://www.mail2world.com target=new>http://www.mail2world.com > > Unlimited Email Storage - POP3 - Calendar - > SMS - Translator - Much More! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Interested in getting caught up on today's news? > Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front > .htm? > csp=24 > . > > > > > Free Debt Consolidation Quote > FCCC offers free counseling & debt consolidation quote. No setup fee! > > > > > style="font-size:13.5px">_______________________________________________________ > ________ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at > href=http://www.mail2world.com target=new>http://www.mail2world.com > Unlimited Email Storage  POP3  Calendar  > SMS  Translator  Much More! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:48:37 -0800 (PST) From: David Tumbarello Subject: Re: MM: Heavenly Day I guess (understatement) I'm a little ignorant regarding this subject. Can someone help me understand how something IS a single. I don't listen to any pop radio stations, so maybe that contributes to my lack of knowledge on this issue, but I really really don't understand what makes "Heavenly Day" a single now at this moment in time. Is there a physical thing in the store that I can buy which is a single? Like a 45 in the old days? I don't think so. Or is it a virtual thing, like the record company promoting to the radio stations one song at a time?? Or something else??? Thanks, Dave Tumbarello - ----- Original Message ---- From: "jmphlbat@comcast.net" To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:29:48 PM Subject: Re: MM: Heavenly Day The choice of "Heavenly Days" as the single was Ms. Griffin's from day one. The idea of having "No Bad News" as the follow-up makes perfect sense as when it comes out as the 2nd single, it will bring the album back to the forfront again. Doing things the other way around, might not get the same result It also take the album into the Hot AC (Adult Comtemp)stream with the album's release, the rocker would not! Murph - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lawrence Israelson" > As I see it, "No Bad News" was the clear choice for the first single > from CRT. If she had performed that song on Letterman, I think she would > have brought down the house and half of the audience would have gone out > and purchased the CD. Just my opinion, but in the first week I'll bet > I've played NBN 10 times more often than "Heavenly Day." Furthermore, if > the brain trust felt NBN was perhaps too raucous or not representative > of most of Patty's work, I also find "I Don't Ever Give Up" more > striking and memorable than "Heavenly Day." Again, I don't dislike > "Heavenly Day" and everybody who likes the song more than I do is > certainly entitled to that opinion. I just don't believe it's a song > that makes Patty "stand out in the crowd" in the way that she actually > does. > > Cheers, > Larry I in LA > > <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Jon Schneider [jonwendy@juno.com] > Sent: 2/12/2007 8:41:29 AM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Heavenly Day > > I beg to differ. I think it's a wonderful song, a wonderful single and a > wonderful introduction to Patty to newcomers. I can totally see it as a > possible breakthrough. I didn't really understand it when "Love Throw a > Line" > was the choice last time out though. I think "Heavenly Day" and "No Bad > News" > will be an amazing 1-2 punch and if they fail it will be due to > promotion, > marketing, etc. not due to poor choice of songs, imo. > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > First, please, PLEASE don't take this personally, Murph, just because > you raised the subject. I must say, however, that the idea that record > companies look for "accessible" songs to push as radio singles just > drives me up the wall. To me, "accessible" is industry-speak for safe, > non-threatening, just-like-everything-else-on-the-radio music. (And, no, > I'm no "insider," but a life-long music lover with a collection that > runs the gamut from Edith Piaf to Green Day.) > > I'm not saying that "Heavenly Day" is tripe, far from it. The melody is > lovely and Patty's vocals are terrific. I just know that last week, > while CRT was emanating nearly nonstop from the iPod dock on my desk, > when a co-worker stopped to ask "Who IS that?" it was never while > "Heavenly Day" was playing. Put another way, if I were commissioned to > put together a 90-minute career retrospective CD of Patty Griffin's > music, "Heavenly Day" would be hard-pressed to make the cut. > > If Patty were an established "hit-maker" with a built-in radio audience > for her newest release, that would be one thing. But, if the first > single from a new album by an artist with no proven radio track record > generates lukewarm response, will subsequent singles even be considered > for airplay? > > Honestly, I hope I am wrong, and that the good folks at ATO (and hell, > maybe it was Patty's decision) are smarter than me when it comes to > promoting new CDs. Perhaps "Heavenly Day" will do for Patty what (first > thing that popped into my head) "Just The Way You Are" did for Billy > Joel. It just pains me that somebody with Patty's peerless combination > of songwriting chops and singing ability is still waiting for > "mainstream success" after all these years. > > Cheers, > Larry I in LA > > > Looking for insurance? Compare and save 50% today. Shop here: > > > > > > > > style="font-size:13.5px">_______________________________________________ > _____ > ___________ > Get the Free email that has everyone talking at > href=http://www.mail2world.com target=new>http://www.mail2world.com > > Unlimited Email Storage - POP3 - Calendar - > SMS - Translator - Much More! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Interested in getting caught up on today's news? > Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front > .htm? > csp=24 > . > > > > > Free Debt Consolidation Quote > FCCC offers free counseling & debt consolidation quote. No setup fee! > > > > > style="font-size:13.5px">_______________________________________________________ > ________ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at > href=http://www.mail2world.com target=new>http://www.mail2world.com > Unlimited Email Storage POP3 Calendar > SMS Translator Much More! Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:10:26 -0800 From: "Lawrence Israelson" Subject: Re: MM: Heavenly Day Although I personally prefer "I Don't Ever Give Up" (in the context of the "Adult Contemporary" format), if the ultimate decision on which track to "push first" was truly Patty's, then I will let it go... Cheers, Larry I in LA <-----Original Message-----> From: jmphlbat@comcast.net [jmphlbat@comcast.net] Sent: 2/12/2007 11:28:48 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Heavenly Day The choice of "Heavenly Days" as the single was Ms. Griffin's from day one. The idea of having "No Bad News" as the follow-up makes perfect sense as when it comes out as the 2nd single, it will bring the album back to the forfront again. Doing things the other way around, might not get the same result It also take the album into the Hot AC (Adult Comtemp)stream with the album's release, the rocker would not! Murph - -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lawrence Israelson" > As I see it, "No Bad News" was the clear choice for the first single > from CRT. If she had performed that song on Letterman, I think she would > have brought down the house and half of the audience would have gone out > and purchased the CD. Just my opinion, but in the first week I'll bet > I've played NBN 10 times more often than "Heavenly Day." Furthermore, if > the brain trust felt NBN was perhaps too raucous or not representative > of most of Patty's work, I also find "I Don't Ever Give Up" more > striking and memorable than "Heavenly Day." Again, I don't dislike > "Heavenly Day" and everybody who likes the song more than I do is > certainly entitled to that opinion. I just don't believe it's a song > that makes Patty "stand out in the crowd" in the way that she actually > does. > > Cheers, > Larry I in LA > > <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Jon Schneider [jonwendy@juno.com] > Sent: 2/12/2007 8:41:29 AM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Heavenly Day > > I beg to differ. I think it's a wonderful song, a wonderful single and a > wonderful introduction to Patty to newcomers. I can totally see it as a > possible breakthrough. I didn't really understand it when "Love Throw a > Line" > was the choice last time out though. I think "Heavenly Day" and "No Bad > News" > will be an amazing 1-2 punch and if they fail it will be due to > promotion, > marketing, etc. not due to poor choice of songs, imo. > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > First, please, PLEASE don't take this personally, Murph, just because > you raised the subject. I must say, however, that the idea that record > companies look for "accessible" songs to push as radio singles just > drives me up the wall. To me, "accessible" is industry-speak for safe, > non-threatening, just-like-everything-else-on-the-radio music. (And, no, > I'm no "insider," but a life-long music lover with a collection that > runs the gamut from Edith Piaf to Green Day.) > > I'm not saying that "Heavenly Day" is tripe, far from it. The melody is > lovely and Patty's vocals are terrific. I just know that last week, > while CRT was emanating nearly nonstop from the iPod dock on my desk, > when a co-worker stopped to ask "Who IS that?" it was never while > "Heavenly Day" was playing. Put another way, if I were commissioned to > put together a 90-minute career retrospective CD of Patty Griffin's > music, "Heavenly Day" would be hard-pressed to make the cut. > > If Patty were an established "hit-maker" with a built-in radio audience > for her newest release, that would be one thing. But, if the first > single from a new album by an artist with no proven radio track record > generates lukewarm response, will subsequent singles even be considered > for airplay? > > Honestly, I hope I am wrong, and that the good folks at ATO (and hell, > maybe it was Patty's decision) are smarter than me when it comes to > promoting new CDs. Perhaps "Heavenly Day" will do for Patty what (first > thing that popped into my head) "Just The Way You Are" did for Billy > Joel. It just pains me that somebody with Patty's peerless combination > of songwriting chops and singing ability is still waiting for > "mainstream success" after all these years. > > Cheers, > Larry I in LA > > > Looking for insurance? Compare and save 50% today. Shop here: > > > > > > > > style="font-size:13.5px">_______________________________________________ > _____ > ___________ > Get the Free email that has everyone talking at > href=http://www.mail2world.com target=new>http://www.mail2world.com > > Unlimited Email Storage - POP3 - Calendar - > SMS - Translator - Much More! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Interested in getting caught up on today's news? > Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. > http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front > .htm? > csp=24 > . > > > > > Free Debt Consolidation Quote > FCCC offers free counseling & debt consolidation quote. 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