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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Saturday, February 10 2007 Volume 11 : Number 048 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: Re: the order of it all. ["melissa" ] MM: Re: the order of it all. ["Lisa Zwick" ] RE: MM: Re: the order of it all. [Donna Sytsma ] MM: Lousy quality of CRT on iTunes.... [Charl Kroeger ] Re: MM: Re: the order of it all. [Kaycee973@aol.com] Re: MM: Patty on Letterman ["Lawrence Israelson" ] MM: Re: Lousy quality of CRT on iTunes.... ["Mike Lewis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 02:15:22 -0600 From: "melissa" Subject: MM: Re: Re: the order of it all. I found the same thing with the quality of the files. Go figure. That's itunes for you. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "sheryl novak" To: "Shyam V. Yadav" ; Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: MM: Re: the order of it all. > very interesting...!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shyam V. Yadav" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:55 PM > Subject: MM: the order of it all. > > >> ok ok so i know i'm a super detail oriented person >> but i thought maybe, just maybe, someone out there would >> want to do this. >> >> i bought the children running through albums from b&n and itunes. >> i got the itunes first so i put it on my ipod and preceded to bike >> around town. i then thought maybe i'm going deaf because the sound >> was so tiny and small and felt like it was hiding in a groundhog hole. >> >> BUT the itunes version has "moon song". >> >> i then imported my b&n cd as mp3s (192kb) and the sound quality >> is FAR superior. leaps and bounds. >> >> i tried converting the itunes to mp3s but they still sounded >> as far away as china. >> >> so here's what i did. i nuked the itunes tracks except moon song. >> then i changed the info on all the tracks including moon song >> to be in one album in this order: >> >> 1. you'll remember >> 2. stay on the ride >> 3. trapeze >> 4. getting ready >> 5. burgundy shoes >> 6. heavenly day >> 7. no bad news >> 8. railroad wings >> 9. up to the mountain (mlk song) >> 10. i don't ever give up >> 11. someone else's tomorrow >> 12. crying over >> 13. free >> 14. only up or down >> 15. moon song >> >> i figured moon song is the best to end the album with and i opened >> up this song in itunes and increased its volume 100% so that it >> sounded closer to the superior b&n cd bought tracks. >> >> you end up with a nice single album that runs 58.4 minutes. >> >> why i'm sharing this i'm not really sure but i'm tellin ya, >> don't listen to the itunes tracks, it's a completely different album. >> >> -shyam. >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:40:37 -0500 From: "Lisa Zwick" Subject: MM: Re: the order of it all. You don't seem very bothered by this. If I had bought the cd on iTunes and dicovered this, I would be pretty upset, especially since they're basically forcing you to buy the whole cd for one song. I dunno whose idea this whole thing was, but these exclusive track things are starting to get to me. It's one thing with with B&N - ok, so I spent a couple more dollars than I might have otherwise, but at least I got the same cd I would have bought elsewhere PLUS extra songs. I didn't LOSE anything by buying from B&N (as long as you know about these things before you buy the cd elswhere, you can do it right the first time). But I do not own an iPod, have not found a reason to install iTunes, and hate the idea of being forced to do all this PLUS spend $10 on a cd I already own to get one song. One of the main reasons I haven't bought an iPod yet, despite the many times I've ALMOST bought an iPod, is that it won't play mp3s. So why the hell would anyone WITHOUT an iPod want to buy songs in whatever format they are if they're of inferior quality and not even going to be playing on a freakin iPod?!?!? I'm not going to support Apple & iTunes just for the hell of it. Ok, I'm done ranting. And maybe I'm overreacting. But really, as much as I love Patty, I wish she wouldn't let her songs be used in this ridiculous manner. She has plenty of devoted fans, some who already buy multiple cds for friends and relatives. Does she really need to use/allow such sleazy marketing ploys? K, now I'm really done ranting. - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shyam V. Yadav" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:55 PM Subject: MM: the order of it all. > ok ok so i know i'm a super detail oriented person > but i thought maybe, just maybe, someone out there would > want to do this. > > i bought the children running through albums from b&n and itunes. > i got the itunes first so i put it on my ipod and preceded to bike > around town. i then thought maybe i'm going deaf because the sound > was so tiny and small and felt like it was hiding in a groundhog hole. > > BUT the itunes version has "moon song". > > i then imported my b&n cd as mp3s (192kb) and the sound quality > is FAR superior. leaps and bounds. > > i tried converting the itunes to mp3s but they still sounded > as far away as china. > > so here's what i did. i nuked the itunes tracks except moon song. > then i changed the info on all the tracks including moon song > to be in one album in this order: > > 1. you'll remember > 2. stay on the ride > 3. trapeze > 4. getting ready > 5. burgundy shoes > 6. heavenly day > 7. no bad news > 8. railroad wings > 9. up to the mountain (mlk song) > 10. i don't ever give up > 11. someone else's tomorrow > 12. crying over > 13. free > 14. only up or down > 15. moon song > > i figured moon song is the best to end the album with and i opened > up this song in itunes and increased its volume 100% so that it > sounded closer to the superior b&n cd bought tracks. > > you end up with a nice single album that runs 58.4 minutes. > > why i'm sharing this i'm not really sure but i'm tellin ya, > don't listen to the itunes tracks, it's a completely different album. > > -shyam. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:43:38 -0600 From: Donna Sytsma Subject: RE: MM: Re: the order of it all. Lisa did u really just say ipods wont play mp3's?!? That was pretty funny.. Just tell me you're joking. Actually your entire email is pretty funny. You have no ipod or technology knowledge at all. But still a good attempt at a rant. :) - -----Original Message----- From: "Lisa Zwick" To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: 2/10/2007 6:40 AM Subject: MM: Re: the order of it all. You don't seem very bothered by this. If I had bought the cd on iTunes and dicovered this, I would be pretty upset, especially since they're basically forcing you to buy the whole cd for one song. I dunno whose idea this whole thing was, but these exclusive track things are starting to get to me. It's one thing with with B&N - ok, so I spent a couple more dollars than I might have otherwise, but at least I got the same cd I would have bought elsewhere PLUS extra songs. I didn't LOSE anything by buying from B&N (as long as you know about these things before you buy the cd elswhere, you can do it right the first time). But I do not own an iPod, have not found a reason to install iTunes, and hate the idea of being forced to do all this PLUS spend $10 on a cd I already own to get one song. One of the main reasons I haven't bought an iPod yet, despite the many times I've ALMOST bought an iPod, is that it won't play mp3s. So why the hell would anyone WITHOUT an iPod want to buy songs in whatever format they are if they're of inferior quality and not even going to be playing on a freakin iPod?!?!? I'm not going to support Apple & iTunes just for the hell of it. Ok, I'm done ranting. And maybe I'm overreacting. But really, as much as I love Patty, I wish she wouldn't let her songs be used in this ridiculous manner. She has plenty of devoted fans, some who already buy multiple cds for friends and relatives. Does she really need to use/allow such sleazy marketing ploys? K, now I'm really done ranting. - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shyam V. Yadav" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:55 PM Subject: MM: the order of it all. > ok ok so i know i'm a super detail oriented person > but i thought maybe, just maybe, someone out there would > want to do this. > > i bought the children running through albums from b&n and itunes. > i got the itunes first so i put it on my ipod and preceded to bike > around town. i then thought maybe i'm going deaf because the sound > was so tiny and small and felt like it was hiding in a groundhog hole. > > BUT the itunes version has "moon song". > > i then imported my b&n cd as mp3s (192kb) and the sound quality > is FAR superior. leaps and bounds. > > i tried converting the itunes to mp3s but they still sounded > as far away as china. > > so here's what i did. i nuked the itunes tracks except moon song. > then i changed the info on all the tracks including moon song > to be in one album in this order: > > 1. you'll remember > 2. stay on the ride > 3. trapeze > 4. getting ready > 5. burgundy shoes > 6. heavenly day > 7. no bad news > 8. railroad wings > 9. up to the mountain (mlk song) > 10. i don't ever give up > 11. someone else's tomorrow > 12. crying over > 13. free > 14. only up or down > 15. moon song > > i figured moon song is the best to end the album with and i opened > up this song in itunes and increased its volume 100% so that it > sounded closer to the superior b&n cd bought tracks. > > you end up with a nice single album that runs 58.4 minutes. > > why i'm sharing this i'm not really sure but i'm tellin ya, > don't listen to the itunes tracks, it's a completely different album. > > -shyam. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:50:10 -0500 From: Charl Kroeger Subject: MM: Lousy quality of CRT on iTunes.... Hi there, I also found the volume extremely low, but I thought it was just plain bad mastering. But it turns out it is iTunes that messed up the conversion? I think they need to be given a good yelling at for delivering such an inferior reproduction of the album. Don't they have quality control people there? How could they pass this off as a full and legal copy of the album when it's so obviously inferior? Apple? iTunes? Anyone out there listening??? Wake up, or you will lose me as a customer. I am not going to lay down hard-earned money for inferior quality like this! I also bought the B&N version too, so will follow your advice on setting up the album on my iPod. Thank you for sharing this, Shyam... CK > i bought the children running through albums from b&n and itunes. > i got the itunes first so i put it on my ipod and preceded to bike > around town. i then thought maybe i'm going deaf because the sound > was so tiny and small and felt like it was hiding in a groundhog hole. > > BUT the itunes version has "moon song". > > i then imported my b&n cd as mp3s (192kb) and the sound quality > is FAR superior. leaps and bounds. > > i tried converting the itunes to mp3s but they still sounded > as far away as china. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 06:44:12 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Phelps Subject: MM: Patty on Letterman I'm surprised not to have seen any comments about Thursday night's appearance on Letterman. I thought that Patty was in fine form, looked great, performed beautifully and that "Heavenly Day" is a really fine song. As it turned out I only listened to the new CD for the first time at abt. 9;00 (since it had just arrived in my mail) and then was seeing her on TV 3 hours later. BTW: Letterman has become kinda lame... what happened to this guy's acerbic wit and clever bits?? I mean, 20 minutes of animals, including a two-headed turtle - what's the world coming to?! Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:45:31 EST From: Kaycee973@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: the order of it all. That was unnecessary. . . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:14:46 -0800 From: "Lawrence Israelson" Subject: Re: MM: Patty on Letterman I completely spaced and forgot to watch Letterman Thursday night...but my wonderful wife, who doesn't even particularly like Patty or any sort of "downbeat" music, taped it for the fans in the family (myself and my younger daughter). Patty did look and sound wonderful, but with the possible exception of "One Big Love," I've never understood the songs that are chosen to be singles. Why not "I Don't Ever Give Up" or "No Bad News"? Cheers, Larry I in LA <-----Original Message-----> From: Eric Phelps [ericlphelps@yahoo.com] Sent: 2/10/2007 6:44:12 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Patty on Letterman I'm surprised not to have seen any comments about Thursday night's appearance on Letterman. I thought that Patty was in fine form, looked great, performed beautifully and that "Heavenly Day" is a really fine song. As it turned out I only listened to the new CD for the first time at abt. 9;00 (since it had just arrived in my mail) and then was seeing her on TV 3 hours later. BTW: Letterman has become kinda lame... what happened to this guy's acerbic wit and clever bits?? I mean, 20 minutes of animals, including a two-headed turtle - what's the world coming to?! Eric . 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How could they pass this off as a full and legal copy of the album > when it's so obviously inferior? > > Apple? iTunes? Anyone out there listening??? Wake up, or you will lose me > as > a customer. I am not going to lay down hard-earned money for inferior > quality like this! > > I also bought the B&N version too, so will follow your advice on setting > up > the album on my iPod. > > Thank you for sharing this, Shyam... > > CK > > > >> i bought the children running through albums from b&n and itunes. >> i got the itunes first so i put it on my ipod and preceded to bike >> around town. i then thought maybe i'm going deaf because the sound >> was so tiny and small and felt like it was hiding in a groundhog hole. >> >> BUT the itunes version has "moon song". >> >> i then imported my b&n cd as mp3s (192kb) and the sound quality >> is FAR superior. leaps and bounds. >> >> i tried converting the itunes to mp3s but they still sounded >> as far away as china. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:04:17 -0800 From: "Bruce Greenberg" Subject: RE: MM: Re: the order of it all. If you're going to be arrogant (and a bit mean) toward someone, you should at least show that you know what you're talking about. So, for those who don't know... The ITunes Music Store downloads files in the AAC format and uses Apple's own digital rights management (which means you can't put the songs on any other player without going through a few extra steps). ITunes and the IPOD though are capable of playing not only AAC files but also mp3 files. My IPOD only has mp3s on it and even though I ripped all of my CDs with the Microsoft Media Player, I am able to listen to them with ITunes. There is a lot to be angry about these days. I know Patty isn't the first artist to have less than acceptable sounding files on ITunes. I'm not sure whose fault it is though. It may be Apple, but it could also be the record company's fault. And this digital rights management has to go away (Steve Jobs finally agrees!). If I download a song from ITunes I should be able to play it on any software/mp3 player I wish to. Just a bit more info that may be helpful to some... If you download a song from the ITunes Store, then burn it to a CD (which Apple will let you do), you can then rip that CD into mp3s using most any burning/ripping software (Microsoft Media Player for example); bypassing the digital rights management. I hope I didn't waste everyone's time with this email. We all have different amounts of knowledge about all of this stuff. I'm just trying to be helpful. Bruce - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Donna Sytsma Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:44 AM To: Lisa Zwick; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: RE: MM: Re: the order of it all. Lisa did u really just say ipods wont play mp3's?!? That was pretty funny.. Just tell me you're joking. Actually your entire email is pretty funny. You have no ipod or technology knowledge at all. But still a good attempt at a rant. :) - -----Original Message----- From: "Lisa Zwick" To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: 2/10/2007 6:40 AM Subject: MM: Re: the order of it all. You don't seem very bothered by this. If I had bought the cd on iTunes and dicovered this, I would be pretty upset, especially since they're basically forcing you to buy the whole cd for one song. I dunno whose idea this whole thing was, but these exclusive track things are starting to get to me. It's one thing with with B&N - ok, so I spent a couple more dollars than I might have otherwise, but at least I got the same cd I would have bought elsewhere PLUS extra songs. I didn't LOSE anything by buying from B&N (as long as you know about these things before you buy the cd elswhere, you can do it right the first time). But I do not own an iPod, have not found a reason to install iTunes, and hate the idea of being forced to do all this PLUS spend $10 on a cd I already own to get one song. One of the main reasons I haven't bought an iPod yet, despite the many times I've ALMOST bought an iPod, is that it won't play mp3s. So why the hell would anyone WITHOUT an iPod want to buy songs in whatever format they are if they're of inferior quality and not even going to be playing on a freakin iPod?!?!? I'm not going to support Apple & iTunes just for the hell of it. Ok, I'm done ranting. And maybe I'm overreacting. But really, as much as I love Patty, I wish she wouldn't let her songs be used in this ridiculous manner. She has plenty of devoted fans, some who already buy multiple cds for friends and relatives. Does she really need to use/allow such sleazy marketing ploys? K, now I'm really done ranting. - -Lisa - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shyam V. Yadav" To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:55 PM Subject: MM: the order of it all. > ok ok so i know i'm a super detail oriented person > but i thought maybe, just maybe, someone out there would > want to do this. > > i bought the children running through albums from b&n and itunes. > i got the itunes first so i put it on my ipod and preceded to bike > around town. i then thought maybe i'm going deaf because the sound > was so tiny and small and felt like it was hiding in a groundhog hole. > > BUT the itunes version has "moon song". > > i then imported my b&n cd as mp3s (192kb) and the sound quality > is FAR superior. leaps and bounds. > > i tried converting the itunes to mp3s but they still sounded > as far away as china. > > so here's what i did. i nuked the itunes tracks except moon song. > then i changed the info on all the tracks including moon song > to be in one album in this order: > > 1. you'll remember > 2. stay on the ride > 3. trapeze > 4. getting ready > 5. burgundy shoes > 6. heavenly day > 7. no bad news > 8. railroad wings > 9. up to the mountain (mlk song) > 10. i don't ever give up > 11. someone else's tomorrow > 12. crying over > 13. free > 14. only up or down > 15. moon song > > i figured moon song is the best to end the album with and i opened > up this song in itunes and increased its volume 100% so that it > sounded closer to the superior b&n cd bought tracks. > > you end up with a nice single album that runs 58.4 minutes. > > why i'm sharing this i'm not really sure but i'm tellin ya, > don't listen to the itunes tracks, it's a completely different album. > > -shyam. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V11 #48 *********************************