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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 24 2006 Volume 10 : Number 104 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: MM: Why I don't like JS recording a PG song ["Roy Larsen" Subject: RE: MM: Why I don't like JS recording a PG song Paul, Don't feel bad..... Patty won't if JS sells 500,000 copies of her song. It is almost a sure bet that Patty gave permission. Folks seem to forget that the music business is a business and for song writers that generally means getting others to cover your work. (Anyone want to guess how much money Paul McCartney makes on his own recording vs licensing royalties?) Patty has house payments to make and light bills to pay. Sure, there are limits to who a songwriter will license rights to, but overall, they are in the business to make money which gives them the freedom to concentrate on their music instead of waiting tables. I wouldn't buy a JS album no matter who's songs she sings because she's not my cup of tea. But I am thrilled to death when Patty makes money on her (Patty's) talent because there are apparently a lot of folks who will buy a JS album. I don't care if JS fans ever know who Patty Griffin is because I'm pretty sure they wouldn't like her (Patty doesn't exactly do dance music in skimpy outfits), but I'm very glad JS fans will giver Patty the option of buying a new car and some health insurance..... Roy - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Paul Russell" To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Why I don't like JS recording a PG song Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:16:35 -0400 It's good to be back here in sweltering Florida. I missed the lizards particularly. Oh, and of course the beaches. Deliciously white and sea foam, and tourists baking themselves, some extra crispy. Apparently it's been light on hurricanes this year, so I'm glad I could leave all my stuff in my townhouse, and not say...just drop it in the water to save me some angst. After a night of revelry in my most favorite of favorite activities (i.e., drinking at my pub) I pondered and pondered this morning on my toilet. Because that is what one does when on a toilet. One ponders. And I came up with this: I don't like Jessica Simpson covering Patty Griffin. Why? Because. I don't really feel JS has that much talent. She's going through tough times in her life and she wants to sing a song that appropriately touches on her break-up??? Here's an idea, why not write your own ding darn song then? Oh that's right, she doesn't actually write any of her songs. Sure the Dixie Chicks covered PG. The thing is, that even though I don't really like the Dixie Chicks that much (I think it really has to do with the whole name of the group and the way the Country music people enveloped them as the best act to come out of country since sliced bread back in the 90s) I'll have to admit that they've got some talent. I mean, I paid money money to go see them cover the Patty Griffin song in concert and see PG open for them. They even used real instruments and everything. However, I really really really don't think I would pay money money to see JS in concert for any reason whatsoever. At all. So the fact that she covers a PG song I don't know would be enough to even make me want to buy the CD. We're talking about Jessica Simpson here. It would be the most embarrassing CD I would own. I would marker it out and write "Led Zeppelin" or something on it. I feel that even though I'm sure it's considered a compliment that some pop star wants to cover your songs, there is a degree of how the compliment should be received by who is giving the compliment. Jackson Browne covering a PG song....wow! Ashley Simpson covering a PG song...WTF??? Johnny Bravo covering a PG song....the revitalization of Greg Brady's singing career. This particular artist (JS) wasn't sure if Chicken of the Sea was tuna or chicken. And that actually borders on her being retarded. I haven't been keeping in touch with the whole thing so I don't know. However, I wonder how much say Patty Griffin had in actually allowing Jessica Simpson to cover her song, because the music industry loves buying all those copyrights from artists. Once they do that they usually have some stipulation where they can do what they please with the songs. Instead of promoting PG like they should, they give a song they may now own to one of their glamorous popstars to put on her next album. I hope this was not the case and that PG still retains ownership and actually allowed JS to cover it (in blessing as well as hollow words). However, I don't really know so... I just remember a few artists getting the shaft by the recording industry. If "The Matrix" is running out of poppy material, I just hope they don't drag talent like Patty Griffin into their lair of sloth. My 2" on a Hump Day morning to ya! Peace love and vegetable rights, Paul *********************************** * * Well, there's gonna be sex, drugs, * rock n roll. Chips, dips, chains, whips. * You know, your basic highschool * orgy type thing. * * --Lisa * "Weird Science" * ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:28:21 -0400 From: "Michael Tatlow" Subject: Re: MM: Why I don't like JS recording a PG song Thanks Roy, I agree having a high profile artist (and I use that term loosely) like JS can only help Patty. And thanks God being able to read music is not a prerequisite to be able to sing or even play music, just think of all the greats we would of missed. As far as the crap on the list is concerned, that's what that delete key is for. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Larsen" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: RE: MM: Why I don't like JS recording a PG song > Paul, > > Don't feel bad..... Patty won't if JS sells 500,000 copies of her song. > It is almost a sure bet that Patty gave permission. Folks seem to forget > that the music business is a business and for song writers that generally > means getting others to cover your work. (Anyone want to guess how much > money Paul McCartney makes on his own recording vs licensing royalties?) > Patty has house payments to make and light bills to pay. Sure, there are > limits to who a songwriter will license rights to, but overall, they are > in the business to make money which gives them the freedom to concentrate > on their music instead of waiting tables. > > I wouldn't buy a JS album no matter who's songs she sings because she's > not my cup of tea. But I am thrilled to death when Patty makes money on > her (Patty's) talent because there are apparently a lot of folks who will > buy a JS album. I don't care if JS fans ever know who Patty Griffin is > because I'm pretty sure they wouldn't like her (Patty doesn't exactly do > dance music in skimpy outfits), but I'm very glad JS fans will giver Patty > the option of buying a new car and some health insurance..... > > Roy > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Paul Russell" > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Why I don't like JS recording a PG song > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:16:35 -0400 > > It's good to be back here in sweltering Florida. I missed the lizards > particularly. Oh, and of course the beaches. Deliciously white and sea > foam, and tourists baking themselves, some extra crispy. Apparently it's > been light on hurricanes this year, so I'm glad I could leave all my stuff > in my townhouse, and not say...just drop it in the water to save me some > angst. > > After a night of revelry in my most favorite of favorite activities (i.e., > drinking at my pub) I pondered and pondered this morning on my toilet. > Because that is what one does when on a toilet. One ponders. > > And I came up with this: > > I don't like Jessica Simpson covering Patty Griffin. > > Why? Because. I don't really feel JS has that much talent. She's going > through tough times in her life and she wants to sing a song that > appropriately touches on her break-up??? Here's an idea, why not write > your own ding darn song then? Oh that's right, she doesn't actually write > any of her songs. > > Sure the Dixie Chicks covered PG. The thing is, that even though I don't > really like the Dixie Chicks that much (I think it really has to do with > the whole name of the group and the way the Country music people enveloped > them as the best act to come out of country since sliced bread back in the > 90s) I'll have to admit that they've got some talent. I mean, I paid > money money to go see them cover the Patty Griffin song in concert and see > PG open for them. They even used real instruments and everything. > > However, I really really really don't think I would pay money money to see > JS in concert for any reason whatsoever. At all. > > So the fact that she covers a PG song I don't know would be enough to even > make me want to buy the CD. We're talking about Jessica Simpson here. It > would be the most embarrassing CD I would own. I would marker it out and > write "Led Zeppelin" or something on it. > > I feel that even though I'm sure it's considered a compliment that some > pop star wants to cover your songs, there is a degree of how the > compliment should be received by who is giving the compliment. > > Jackson Browne covering a PG song....wow! > Ashley Simpson covering a PG song...WTF??? > Johnny Bravo covering a PG song....the revitalization of Greg Brady's > singing career. > This particular artist (JS) wasn't sure if Chicken of the Sea was tuna or > chicken. And that actually borders on her being retarded. > > I haven't been keeping in touch with the whole thing so I don't know. > However, I wonder how much say Patty Griffin had in actually allowing > Jessica Simpson to cover her song, because the music industry loves buying > all those copyrights from artists. Once they do that they usually have > some stipulation where they can do what they please with the songs. > Instead of promoting PG like they should, they give a song they may now > own to one of their glamorous popstars to put on her next album. I hope > this was not the case and that PG still retains ownership and actually > allowed JS to cover it (in blessing as well as hollow words). However, I > don't really know so... > > I just remember a few artists getting the shaft by the recording industry. > If "The Matrix" is running out of poppy material, I just hope they don't > drag talent like Patty Griffin into their lair of sloth. > > My 2" on a Hump Day morning to ya! > > Peace love and vegetable rights, > > Paul > > > > > *********************************** > * > * Well, there's gonna be sex, drugs, > * rock n roll. Chips, dips, chains, whips. > * You know, your basic highschool > * orgy type thing. > * > * --Lisa > * "Weird Science" > * > ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:02:31 -0400 From: freckledangel@aol.com Subject: MM: JS Singing PG While I don't care for anything I know about JS and have always found her repulsive and vapid, I do think her covering a PG song could be good publicity for Patty, and hopefully good royalties. Maybe it will draw more attention to PG and quality music that has managed to infiltrate the image-driven, vapid world of the commercial soul-less profit-driven world that embraces people like JS and BS and all the "cheeseball" singers with little or no talent. In other word, I hope it will help put the spotlight on people like Patty who are "the real deal" all the way through...in terms of songwriting, vocal power and genuine heart and soul. (My 2 cents). Thanks, Amy ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Bouchie Subject: MM: Why I don't like JS recording a PG song "Paul Russell" said regarding Jessica Simpson: > Here's an > idea, why not write your > own ding darn song then? Oh that's right, she > doesn't actually write any of > her songs. There are many artists who wrote none or very few of their songs that are very highly regarded. Look at Emmylou Harris. She didn't write too much of her own material until her two most recent albums. Bonnie Raitt recorded a lot of great albums in the 70's and 80's and didn't write many of the songs on them at all. > This particular artist (JS) wasn't sure if Chicken > of the Sea was tuna or > chicken. And that actually borders on her being > retarded. What does percieved intelligence have to do with musical ability? This is an invalid argument. > However, I wonder how much say Patty Griffin had in > actually allowing > Jessica Simpson to cover her song, because the music > industry loves buying > all those copyrights from artists. Once they do > that they usually have some > stipulation where they can do what they please with > the songs. Instead of > promoting PG like they should, they give a song they > may now own to one of > their glamorous popstars to put on her next album. > I hope this was not the > case and that PG still retains ownership and > actually allowed JS to cover it > (in blessing as well as hollow words). However, I > don't really know so... Actually, permission has to be asked to release a recording of another artist's song. If the song has already been released by the original artist or someone else, they cannot decline the request. If it's an unreleased song, the request can be denied. Therefore, Patty Griffin had to grant the request to Jessica Simpson since she and the Dixie Chicks have both released the song in the past. Usually, the publishing company handles this situation. If it's an unreleased song, the artist is then involved in the decision. "Steve Mercer \(Relay Port Agency\)" said: > Bad > for us Patty fans that is. Why is it bad for Patty Griffin fans? If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Problem solved. I think what's bad for most music fans, Patty Griffin's included, is the lack of variety of artists being signed and played on radio stations. Paul then said: >My SO was watching some reality TV show with Ashley >Simpson >in it and she >was in the studio...and she couldn't read music. Now >call >me picky, but I >think the number one thing one should know if one >wants to >be a musician or >singer is that one should read music. So, by your logic, Woody Guthrie shouldn't have been a musician? He could neither read nor write music. So much for that icon of American music! There have been many, many talented musicians who couldn't read music. One big problem I've been having with this list recently is the growing sense of musical elitism. I strongly believe that music is music. I like some and I dislike some but that doesn't make any of it more or less valid. I greatly disagree with a lot of the business decisions made by the recording industry and the corporations that own most of the radio stations. These decisions have certainly led to an over-abundance of music that I don't particularly care for becoming widely popular. However, it becomes the whole subjective/objective argument again. Just because I dislike it does not mean that someone else shouldn't like it. If you like it, you like it and you shouldn't be embarrassed. If the Jessica Simpson cover is good to my ears and the entire album is good to my ears, I'd buy it and not care what anyone thought about it. Or whether she knows the difference between chicken and tuna. Matt Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:00:47 +0000 From: jmphlbat@comcast.net Subject: Re: MM: Why I don't like JS recording a PG song Just so you know, Patty has a very good music publishing company working for her. The primary job of her music publisher is to "link up songs by her with suitable recording artists to record them, with the intent of creating a hit record and generating large numbers of sales and airplay." As she has been in the past, Patty will be very happy with the return her publishing company will give her this year. - -------------- Original message -------------- From: Matt Bouchie > "Paul Russell" said regarding Jessica Simpson: > > Here's an > > idea, why not write your > > own ding darn song then? Oh that's right, she > > doesn't actually write any of > > her songs. > > There are many artists who wrote none or very few of > their songs that are very highly regarded. Look at > Emmylou Harris. She didn't write too much of her own > material until her two most recent albums. Bonnie > Raitt recorded a lot of great albums in the 70's and > 80's and didn't write many of the songs on them at > all. > > > This particular artist (JS) wasn't sure if Chicken > > of the Sea was tuna or > > chicken. And that actually borders on her being > > retarded. > > What does percieved intelligence have to do with > musical ability? This is an invalid argument. > > > However, I wonder how much say Patty Griffin had in > > actually allowing > > Jessica Simpson to cover her song, because the music > > industry loves buying > > all those copyrights from artists. Once they do > > that they usually have some > > stipulation where they can do what they please with > > the songs. Instead of > > promoting PG like they should, they give a song they > > may now own to one of > > their glamorous popstars to put on her next album. > > I hope this was not the > > case and that PG still retains ownership and > > actually allowed JS to cover it > > (in blessing as well as hollow words). However, I > > don't really know so... > > Actually, permission has to be asked to release a > recording of another artist's song. If the song has > already been released by the original artist or > someone else, they cannot decline the request. If it's > an unreleased song, the request can be denied. > Therefore, Patty Griffin had to grant the request to > Jessica Simpson since she and the Dixie Chicks have > both released the song in the past. Usually, the > publishing company handles this situation. If it's an > unreleased song, the artist is then involved in the > decision. > > "Steve Mercer \(Relay Port Agency\)" said: > > Bad > > for us Patty fans that is. > > Why is it bad for Patty Griffin fans? If you don't > like it, don't listen to it. Problem solved. I think > what's bad for most music fans, Patty Griffin's > included, is the lack of variety of artists being > signed and played on radio stations. > > Paul then said: > >My SO was watching some reality TV show with Ashley > >Simpson > >in it and she > >was in the studio...and she couldn't read music. Now > >call > >me picky, but I > >think the number one thing one should know if one > >wants to > >be a musician or > >singer is that one should read music. > > So, by your logic, Woody Guthrie shouldn't have been a > musician? He could neither read nor write music. So > much for that icon of American music! There have been > many, many talented musicians who couldn't read music. > > One big problem I've been having with this list > recently is the growing sense of musical elitism. I > strongly believe that music is music. I like some and > I dislike some but that doesn't make any of it more or > less valid. I greatly disagree with a lot of the > business decisions made by the recording industry and > the corporations that own most of the radio stations. > These decisions have certainly led to an > over-abundance of music that I don't particularly care > for becoming widely popular. However, it becomes the > whole subjective/objective argument again. Just > because I dislike it does not mean that someone else > shouldn't like it. If you like it, you like it and you > shouldn't be embarrassed. If the Jessica Simpson cover > is good to my ears and the entire album is good to my > ears, I'd buy it and not care what anyone thought > about it. Or whether she knows the difference between > chicken and tuna. > > Matt > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V10 #104 **********************************