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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Friday, August 4 2006 Volume 10 : Number 089 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Jessica Simpson Covers Patty [Olivia Olson ] Re: MM: Jessica Simpson Covers Patty [PghPasta@aol.com] MM: Re: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan ["hugues" ] Re: MM: Re: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan [Susan Subject: Re: MM: Jessica Simpson Covers Patty Yes, but a true Patty fan would know that no one can do a better version than the original. I never understand why anyone would want to cover her songs- they're never as good. I guess it's flattering to PG and all, but still... If I'm listening to Jessica sing the song, I'm thinking I would rather be listening to Patty sing it. Olivia Lawrence Israelson wrote: Actually, the fact that Jessica Simpson is familiar with at least some of Patty's music raises my opinion of Jessica, if ever so slightly. Plus, Patty will benefit financially. Let's just hope Jessica's version isn't a *complete* desecration of the song. Peace, Larry I in LA <-----Original Message-----> From: pam6221971@comcast.net Sent: 8/3/2006 9:15:12 PM To: kaycee973@aol.com;beemergirl1@sbcglobal.net;mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Another Patty Cover? I think I'm going to be sick to my stomach. - -------------- Original message -------------- From: kaycee973@aol.com > SAY IT AINT SO!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beemergirl1@sbcglobal.net > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:27 PM > Subject: MM: Another Patty Cover? > > > De-lurking momentarily to report some potential news. I heard an > unconfirmed, not even necessarily valid, rumor this morning. I heard that > Jessica Simpson was going to be doing a cover of a song called "Let Him Fly" > on her new album. Now, the only song by that name that I know is, of > course, by Patty, but I don't know for sure that this is the same song she > is covering. And, I'm not sure what I think. Though, if true, it would be > some more big exposure for this song since the Dixie Chicks. Personally, > I'm not a big fan of the Dixie Chicks, but I do think it was good that they > did the cover. Anyway, if anyone has heard anything to confirm/deny, well, > I just found it curious when I heard about it. > > > > -Sandi > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. > All on demand. Always Free. . _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage  POP3  Calendar  SMS  Translator  Much More! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 06:36:01 EDT From: PghPasta@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Jessica Simpson Covers Patty In a message dated 8/4/2006 1:54:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, LarryI@mail2larry.com writes: Actually, the fact that Jessica Simpson is familiar with at least some of Patty's music raises my opinion of Jessica, if ever so slightly. Plus, Patty will benefit financially. Let's just hope Jessica's version isn't a *complete* desecration of the song. Peace, Larry I in LA I agree with Larry. Jessica Simpson's break-up was BIG news in the tabloids and whatever song she chooses to represent the break-up will receive inordinate attention. Inordinate attention + a great song + a decent version = strong royalties for Patty, which she certainly deserves. Cathy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:34:59 +0200 From: "hugues" Subject: MM: Re: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan Good points to answer a weird question ("who's the greatest living songwriter"?). That leads me to another question: what does "great" mean? The notion of "greatness" leads many people to non-subjective (unsubjective?) and non-personal (unpersonal?) opinions. The notion of "greatness" leads many people to neglect their own sensibility, and to judge with criteria that aren't theirs. The notion of "greatness" is artificial and fake. You can only judge deep with your heart. So you can only be subjective. My bet is that in the number of people revering Dylan, you have a fair amount of people who don't judge with their heart, but join the general call. My thoughts are that with any artist widely recognized and popular, you can multiplicate the number of sincere fans by a number of non-opiniated people who just follow the general opinion. Not to speak of the fact that recognition leads to more recognition, whereas lacks of recognition leads to nothing. So you can fairly divide the logical equation in the opposite way, since the wrong logic of what makes greatness is the number of people *knowing* the artist. and so on and so on, and all that in my second language (I'm French). Thank you. :o) Peace, Hugues - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Israelson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: MM: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan > To those holding the position that artistic beauty is subjective ("eye > of the beholder" and all that), I must say that I generally agree. Even > Dylan, great and revered as he is, has plenty of detractors. In another > relatively recent "list," Rolling Stone magazine announced its choices > for the 500 best songs of all time, and "Like A Rolling Stone" came out > on top. Afterwards, some folks ridiculed the idea because the song > doesn't even have a bridge. > > Although the assertion can never be definitively "proven," I would like > to offer a couple of observations that support the notion that Bob Dylan > *may* be the world's greatest living songwriter: > > 1) People have paid attention to his music for more than 40 years > despite the fact that he can't really sing; and > > 2) The number of performers who have recorded their own versions of > Dylan songs is astonishing. > > Peace, > Larry I in LA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 06:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Subject: Re: MM: Re: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan Hughes Hi Im really amazed how fluent your english is BRAVO ! I am american and I live in France - Marseilles in particular ! There are not many people here that know who she is are there? I have turned on a whole grgoup of HDC Bikers to her and they all LOVE her ! I wonder why her touring is so limited..... boo hoo ... Ill have to go all the way to Colorado ! lol Anyways about Dylan ... the word 'greatest'.... and being subjective .... I am sure that none of this has to do with peoples real llikes and dislikes of their favorite artists. I love Dylan and always will ... he does come to mind OF COURSE cuz he does it all and he does write alot of words too !!! But back to Patty .... she is a Hurricane Katrina to me in the world of blurry clouds of mainstream musicians that lack originality and guts in their music. I think we all know what we mean when we talk about her ... she is sooo real and totally human and totally lovable. Feel free to contact me if u want ! Susan hugues wrote: Good points to answer a weird question ("who's the greatest living songwriter"?). That leads me to another question: what does "great" mean? The notion of "greatness" leads many people to non-subjective (unsubjective?) and non-personal (unpersonal?) opinions. The notion of "greatness" leads many people to neglect their own sensibility, and to judge with criteria that aren't theirs. The notion of "greatness" is artificial and fake. You can only judge deep with your heart. So you can only be subjective. My bet is that in the number of people revering Dylan, you have a fair amount of people who don't judge with their heart, but join the general call. My thoughts are that with any artist widely recognized and popular, you can multiplicate the number of sincere fans by a number of non-opiniated people who just follow the general opinion. Not to speak of the fact that recognition leads to more recognition, whereas lacks of recognition leads to nothing. So you can fairly divide the logical equation in the opposite way, since the wrong logic of what makes greatness is the number of people *knowing* the artist. and so on and so on, and all that in my second language (I'm French). Thank you. :o) Peace, Hugues - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Israelson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: MM: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan > To those holding the position that artistic beauty is subjective ("eye > of the beholder" and all that), I must say that I generally agree. Even > Dylan, great and revered as he is, has plenty of detractors. In another > relatively recent "list," Rolling Stone magazine announced its choices > for the 500 best songs of all time, and "Like A Rolling Stone" came out > on top. Afterwards, some folks ridiculed the idea because the song > doesn't even have a bridge. > > Although the assertion can never be definitively "proven," I would like > to offer a couple of observations that support the notion that Bob Dylan > *may* be the world's greatest living songwriter: > > 1) People have paid attention to his music for more than 40 years > despite the fact that he can't really sing; and > > 2) The number of performers who have recorded their own versions of > Dylan songs is astonishing. > > Peace, > Larry I in LA - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:17:47 +0100 From: "Steve Mercer \(Relay Port Agency\)" Subject: Re: MM: Jessica Simpson Covers Patty I tried to introduce the subject of "Covers" some time ago. Originals nearly always the best in my opinion (with obvious exceptions...) Patty "Stolen Car" ? Seriously, all these covers that make the charts without the young pretenders ever giving verbal credit to the original. Maybe it all started with LuLu (Isley Brothers).......SHOUT. Moody Blues - (Bessie Banks) "Go now" Over to you! Steve M - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivia Olson" To: "Lawrence Israelson" ; Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: Re: MM: Jessica Simpson Covers Patty > Yes, but a true Patty fan would know that no one can do a better version > than the original. I never understand why anyone would want to cover her > songs- they're never as good. I guess it's flattering to PG and all, but > still... If I'm listening to Jessica sing the song, I'm thinking I would > rather be listening to Patty sing it. > Olivia > Lawrence Israelson wrote: > Actually, the fact that Jessica Simpson is familiar with at least some > of Patty's music raises my opinion of Jessica, if ever so slightly. > Plus, Patty will benefit financially. Let's just hope Jessica's version > isn't a *complete* desecration of the song. > > Peace, > Larry I in LA > > <-----Original Message-----> > > From: pam6221971@comcast.net > Sent: 8/3/2006 9:15:12 PM > To: kaycee973@aol.com;beemergirl1@sbcglobal.net;mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: Re: MM: Another Patty Cover? > > I think I'm going to be sick to my stomach. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: kaycee973@aol.com > >> SAY IT AINT SO!! >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: beemergirl1@sbcglobal.net >> To: mad-mission@smoe.org >> Sent: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:27 PM >> Subject: MM: Another Patty Cover? >> >> >> De-lurking momentarily to report some potential news. I heard an >> unconfirmed, not even necessarily valid, rumor this morning. I heard > that >> Jessica Simpson was going to be doing a cover of a song called "Let > Him Fly" >> on her new album. Now, the only song by that name that I know is, of >> course, by Patty, but I don't know for sure that this is the same song > she >> is covering. And, I'm not sure what I think. Though, if true, it would > be >> some more big exposure for this song since the Dixie Chicks. > Personally, >> I'm not a big fan of the Dixie Chicks, but I do think it was good that > they >> did the cover. Anyway, if anyone has heard anything to confirm/deny, > well, >> I just found it curious when I heard about it. >> >> >> >> -Sandi >> > ________________________________________________________________________ >> Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email > and IM. >> All on demand. Always Free. > . > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com > Unlimited Email Storage  POP3  Calendar  SMS  Translator  Much More! > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:43:00 +0000 From: jmphlbat@comcast.net Subject: Re: MM: Re: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan I have been reading Hugues's material on this and other websites for about 5 years, and while I do not agree with his choice and or opinions on music at times, he has one of the best music minds in the world. - -------------- Original message -------------- From: Susan > Hughes > > Hi Im really amazed how fluent your english is BRAVO ! > I am american and I live in France - Marseilles in particular ! > There are not many people here that know who she is are there? > I have turned on a whole grgoup of HDC Bikers to her and they all LOVE her ! > I wonder why her touring is so limited..... boo hoo ... Ill have to go all the > way to Colorado ! lol > > Anyways about Dylan ... the word 'greatest'.... and being subjective .... > I am sure that none of this has to do with peoples real llikes and dislikes of > their favorite artists. > > I love Dylan and always will ... he does come to mind OF COURSE cuz he does it > all and he does write alot of words too !!! > > But back to Patty .... she is a Hurricane Katrina to me in the world of blurry > clouds of mainstream musicians that lack originality and guts in their music. I > think we all know what we mean when we talk about her ... she is sooo real and > totally human and totally lovable. > > Feel free to contact me if u want ! > Susan > > hugues wrote: > > Good points to answer a weird question ("who's the greatest living > songwriter"?). That leads me to another question: what does "great" mean? > > > The notion of "greatness" leads many people to non-subjective > (unsubjective?) and non-personal (unpersonal?) opinions. The notion of > "greatness" leads many people to neglect their own sensibility, and to judge > with criteria that aren't theirs. The notion of "greatness" is artificial > and fake. You can only judge deep with your heart. So you can only be > subjective. > > > My bet is that in the number of people revering Dylan, you have a fair > amount of people who don't judge with their heart, but join the general > call. My thoughts are that with any artist widely recognized and popular, > you can multiplicate the number of sincere fans by a number of non-opiniated > people who just follow the general opinion. Not to speak of the fact that > recognition leads to more recognition, whereas lacks of recognition leads to > nothing. So you can fairly divide the logical equation in the opposite way, > since the wrong logic of what makes greatness is the number of people > *knowing* the artist. > > > and so on and so on, and all that in my second language (I'm French). Thank > you. :o) > > > Peace, > Hugues > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lawrence Israelson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:21 PM > Subject: MM: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan > > > > > To those holding the position that artistic beauty is subjective ("eye > > of the beholder" and all that), I must say that I generally agree. Even > > Dylan, great and revered as he is, has plenty of detractors. In another > > relatively recent "list," Rolling Stone magazine announced its choices > > for the 500 best songs of all time, and "Like A Rolling Stone" came out > > on top. Afterwards, some folks ridiculed the idea because the song > > doesn't even have a bridge. > > > > Although the assertion can never be definitively "proven," I would like > > to offer a couple of observations that support the notion that Bob Dylan > > *may* be the world's greatest living songwriter: > > > > 1) People have paid attention to his music for more than 40 years > > despite the fact that he can't really sing; and > > > > 2) The number of performers who have recorded their own versions of > > Dylan songs is astonishing. > > > > Peace, > > Larry I in LA > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V10 #89 *********************************