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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Friday, August 4 2006 Volume 10 : Number 087 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams ["hugues" ] MM: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan ["Lawrence Israelson" ] MM: Dixie Chicks ["rockerpgh _" ] Re: MM: Dixie Chicks [Olivia Olson ] RE: MM: Dixie Chicks ["Joseph Eckstrom" ] MM: Another Patty Cover? ["Sandi Campbell" ] Re: MM: Another Patty Cover? [kaycee973@aol.com] Re: MM: Another Patty Cover? ["Joseph Eckstrom" ] Re: MM: Another Patty Cover? [pam6221971@comcast.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:35:10 +0200 From: "hugues" Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams That's what I said: you don't demonstrate anything Dylan #1 isn't more objective than the other ranking - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tatlow" To: "hugues" ; <> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > No Dyan would be #1 under any criteria, how can he not. You may not like him > as a performer. I think that even Patty has covered Dylan's Hollis Brown.. I > don't see how you can't see that Dylan is the best songwriter alive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hugues" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > > > > Then the Dylan #1 is total subjective too... > > > > I don't see how you can objectively demonstrate he's the best songwriter > > alive... > > > > It all depends of different criteria... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Tatlow" > > To: ; <>; > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:44 PM > > Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > > > > > >> I agree, I think that with the exception of Dylan as #1 the ranking is > > total > >> subjective. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: ; > >> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:23 AM > >> Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > >> > >> > >> > As someone said earlier on this post, art is subjective. The list > > proves > >> > that theory- in my opinion it's pretty random. The only songwriter's > >> > placement > >> > that makes sense to me is Bob Dylan as #1. Other than that...random! > >> > But > >> > good job to Patti for making #19! > >> > > >> > > >> > In a message dated 8/1/2006 10:33:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > >> > o.hugues@wanadoo.fr writes: > >> > > >> > I thought we had posted the list here. Here it is. You still should > >> > buy > >> > Paste magazine. The more so as they use to have DVD and CD > >> > compilations > >> > (or > >> > CD only) along with each number. :o) > >> > > >> >> 100 T-Bone Burnett > >> >> 99 Outkast > >> >> 98 Jay Farrar > >> >> 97 Josh Ritter > >> >> 96 Jimmy Cliff > >> >> 95 Patti Smith > >> >> 94 Sam Phillips > >> >> 93 Joseph Arthur > >> >> 92 Alejandro Escovedo > >> >> 91 Drive By Truckers > >> >> 90 Nick Cave > >> >> 89 Victoria Williams > >> >> 88 Parliment > >> >> 87 Lyle Lovett > >> >> 86 Sam Beam (Iron & Wine) > >> >> 85 David Bazan (Pedro the Lion, Headphones) > >> >> 84 They Might Be Giants > >> >> 83 Fleetwood Mac (Buckingham, Nicks, McVie) > >> >> 82 John Darnielle (The Mountain Goats) > >> >> 81 The Flaming Lips > >> >> 80 Pink Floyd > >> >> 79 Stephen Malkmus > >> >> 78 Robert Pollard > >> >> 77 Bruce Cockburn > >> >> 76 Will Oldham > >> >> 75 Ron Sexsmith > >> >> 74 Over The Rhine > >> >> 73 Julie Miller > >> >> 72 Michael Jackson > >> >> 71 Vic Chestnut > >> >> 70 Alex Chilton > >> >> 69 Merle Haggard > >> >> 68 Allen Toussaint > >> >> 67 Conor Oberst > >> >> 66 Charles Thompson (aka Frank Black) > >> >> 65 Bill Mallonee (Vigilantes of Love) > >> >> 64 Andy Partridge > >> >> 63 Richard Thompson > >> >> 62 Sting > >> >> 61 John Hiatt > >> >> 60 Jimmy Webb > >> >> 59 Jack White > >> >> 58 Sly Stone > >> >> 57 Morrissey > >> >> 56 James Brown > >> >> 55 Dolly Parton > >> >> 54 Aimee Mann > >> >> 53 James Taylor > >> >> 52 Paul Westerberg > >> >> 51 Dan Penn & Spooner Oldham > >> >> 50 Public Enemy > >> >> 49 Cat Stevens > >> >> 48 Gillian Welch / David Rawlings > >> >> 47 Sufjan Stevens > >> >> 46 David Byrne > >> >> 45 Jackson Browne > >> >> 44 Al Green > >> >> 43 Ryan Adams > >> >> 42 Loretta Lynn > >> >> 41 Ray Davies > >> >> 40 Burt Bacharach & Hal David > >> >> 39 Led Zeppelin > >> >> 38 Kris Kristofferson > >> >> 37 Smokey Robinson > >> >> 36 Beck > >> >> 35 Steve Earle > >> >> 34 John Fogerty > >> >> 33 Pete Townshend > >> >> 32 Lieber & Stoller > >> >> 31 Carole King > >> >> 30 John Prine > >> >> 29 Tom Petty > >> >> 28 Robbie Robertson > >> >> 27 Radiohead > >> >> 26 REM > >> >> 25 Chuck Berry > >> >> 24 Jeff Tweedy > >> >> 23 Elton John / Bernie Taupin > >> >> 22 Lucinda Williams > >> >> 21 Lou Reed > >> >> 20 Van Morrison > >> >> 19 Patty Griffin > >> >> 18 U2 > >> >> 17 Holland - Dozier- Holland > >> >> 16 David Bowie > >> >> 15 Willie Nelson > >> >> 14 Stevie Wonder > >> >> 13 Paul Simon > >> >> 12 The Rolling Stones > >> >> 11 Randy Newman > >> >> 10 Prince > >> >> 9 Joni Mitchell > >> >> 8 Elvis Costello > >> >> 7 Brian Wilson > >> >> 6 Leonard Cohen > >> >> 5 Paul McCartney > >> >> 4 Tom Waits, Kathleen Brennan > >> >> 3 Bruce Springsteen > >> >> 2 Neil Young > >> >> 1 BOB DYLAN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:21:20 -0700 From: "Lawrence Israelson" Subject: MM: NPC: top living songwriters/Dylan To those holding the position that artistic beauty is subjective ("eye of the beholder" and all that), I must say that I generally agree. Even Dylan, great and revered as he is, has plenty of detractors. In another relatively recent "list," Rolling Stone magazine announced its choices for the 500 best songs of all time, and "Like A Rolling Stone" came out on top. Afterwards, some folks ridiculed the idea because the song doesn't even have a bridge. Although the assertion can never be definitively "proven," I would like to offer a couple of observations that support the notion that Bob Dylan *may* be the world's greatest living songwriter: 1) People have paid attention to his music for more than 40 years despite the fact that he can't really sing; and 2) The number of performers who have recorded their own versions of Dylan songs is astonishing. Peace, Larry I in LA

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She's done the >> "Rock Chick" thing on the album "What's following me" but later offerings >> have been more laid back. >> Eleanor herself doesn't class her stuff as Folk, but prefers the "Rock" >> classification. would say she sits inbetween. >> >> Check her out at http://www.eleanormcevoy.net/ >> >> >> Some of my other likes which went unmentioned are Jonatha Brooke, Missy >> Higgins, and from many a moon ago Linda Ronstadt...... Yes, even her >> 1970's albums still sound great today. >> >> Cant wait for September 18th Shawn Colvin plays her first gig in the UK >> for well over 6 years AND shes comming back for more dates later in the >> year. >> >> Regards >> Tony. - --------------------------------- Open multiple messages at once with the all new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:24:48 -0400 From: "rockerpgh _" Subject: MM: Dixie Chicks From a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette review of the concert in Pittsburgh on July 23, comes the following: With Maines wielding an electric guitar, they ripped through their new "Lubbock or Leave It" and segued to Patty Griffin's "Truth No. 2," which sparked a fire in the audience with the misinterpreted line, "You don't like the truth coming from my mouth." What does the reviewer mean by "misinterpreted?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Olivia Olson Subject: Re: MM: Dixie Chicks I guess the audience must have misunderstood that line, thinking the DC meant something else by it. Olivia rockerpgh _ wrote: From a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette review of the concert in Pittsburgh on July 23, comes the following: With Maines wielding an electric guitar, they ripped through their new "Lubbock or Leave It" and segued to Patty Griffin's "Truth No. 2," which sparked a fire in the audience with the misinterpreted line, "You don't like the truth coming from my mouth." What does the reviewer mean by "misinterpreted?" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:41:28 -0400 From: "Joseph Eckstrom" Subject: RE: MM: Dixie Chicks He means, the line is now used differently by the Chicks to express that their opionions against the president were frowned upon by people who wholeheartedly supported the president. However, many of their fans (including myself) feel Natalie was speaking the truth and should not have been punished for voicing her opinion. Obviously, the line was not meant for that purpose. Thus, after the incident in 2003, the song acquired a new meaning for the Chicks that strayed away from Patty's original intent. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rockerpgh _" To: Subject: MM: Dixie Chicks Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:24:48 -0400 >From a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette review of the concert in Pittsburgh on July 23, >comes the following: > > > >With Maines wielding an electric guitar, they ripped through their new >"Lubbock or Leave It" and segued to Patty Griffin's "Truth No. 2," which >sparked a fire in the audience with the misinterpreted line, "You don't like >the truth coming from my mouth." > > > >What does the reviewer mean by "misinterpreted?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:27:42 -0500 From: "Sandi Campbell" Subject: MM: Another Patty Cover? De-lurking momentarily to report some potential news. I heard an unconfirmed, not even necessarily valid, rumor this morning. I heard that Jessica Simpson was going to be doing a cover of a song called "Let Him Fly" on her new album. Now, the only song by that name that I know is, of course, by Patty, but I don't know for sure that this is the same song she is covering. And, I'm not sure what I think. Though, if true, it would be some more big exposure for this song since the Dixie Chicks. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the Dixie Chicks, but I do think it was good that they did the cover. Anyway, if anyone has heard anything to confirm/deny, well, I just found it curious when I heard about it. - -Sandi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:08:41 -0400 From: kaycee973@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Another Patty Cover? SAY IT AINT SO!! - -----Original Message----- From: beemergirl1@sbcglobal.net To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:27 PM Subject: MM: Another Patty Cover? De-lurking momentarily to report some potential news. I heard an unconfirmed, not even necessarily valid, rumor this morning. I heard that Jessica Simpson was going to be doing a cover of a song called "Let Him Fly" on her new album. Now, the only song by that name that I know is, of course, by Patty, but I don't know for sure that this is the same song she is covering. And, I'm not sure what I think. Though, if true, it would be some more big exposure for this song since the Dixie Chicks. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the Dixie Chicks, but I do think it was good that they did the cover. Anyway, if anyone has heard anything to confirm/deny, well, I just found it curious when I heard about it. - -Sandi ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:18:06 -0400 From: "Joseph Eckstrom" Subject: Re: MM: Another Patty Cover? Unfortunately, it is so. http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1537645/20060801/simpson_jessica.jhtml?headlines=true -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kaycee973@aol.com To: beemergirl1@sbcglobal.net, mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Another Patty Cover? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:08:41 -0400 > SAY IT AINT SO!! > > >-----Original Message----- >From: beemergirl1@sbcglobal.net >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Sent: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:27 PM >Subject: MM: Another Patty Cover? > > >De-lurking momentarily to report some potential news. I heard an >unconfirmed, not even necessarily valid, rumor this morning. I heard that >Jessica Simpson was going to be doing a cover of a song called "Let Him Fly" >on her new album. Now, the only song by that name that I know is, of >course, by Patty, but I don't know for sure that this is the same song she >is covering. And, I'm not sure what I think. Though, if true, it would be >some more big exposure for this song since the Dixie Chicks. Personally, >I'm not a big fan of the Dixie Chicks, but I do think it was good that they >did the cover. Anyway, if anyone has heard anything to confirm/deny, well, >I just found it curious when I heard about it. > > > >-Sandi >________________________________________________________________________ >Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:14:12 +0000 From: pam6221971@comcast.net Subject: Re: MM: Another Patty Cover? I think I'm going to be sick to my stomach. - -------------- Original message -------------- From: kaycee973@aol.com > SAY IT AINT SO!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beemergirl1@sbcglobal.net > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:27 PM > Subject: MM: Another Patty Cover? > > > De-lurking momentarily to report some potential news. I heard an > unconfirmed, not even necessarily valid, rumor this morning. I heard that > Jessica Simpson was going to be doing a cover of a song called "Let Him Fly" > on her new album. Now, the only song by that name that I know is, of > course, by Patty, but I don't know for sure that this is the same song she > is covering. And, I'm not sure what I think. Though, if true, it would be > some more big exposure for this song since the Dixie Chicks. Personally, > I'm not a big fan of the Dixie Chicks, but I do think it was good that they > did the cover. Anyway, if anyone has heard anything to confirm/deny, well, > I just found it curious when I heard about it. > > > > -Sandi > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. > All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V10 #87 *********************************