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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Thursday, August 3 2006 Volume 10 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: RE: Serious female singers ["Tony Mackness" ] Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams ["hugues" ] Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams ["Michael Tatlow" ] Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams [Jonathan Buttrick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:42:25 +0100 From: "Tony Mackness" Subject: MM: RE: Serious female singers > Re: MM: RE: Serious female singers... > > Forgive me for the "late" posting, but i've just been catching up with > some MM digest postings from a couple of weeks ago!! > > On the subject of female singers, my personal favourite seems to have gone > unmentioned in all the various postings, so it's a belated mention here > for > Eleanor McEvoy. > > With six albums to her name, she also wrote the title track for Ireland's > biggest selling album of all time "Only a womans heart". She's done the > "Rock Chick" thing on the album "What's following me" but later offerings > have been more laid back. > Eleanor herself doesn't class her stuff as Folk, but prefers the "Rock" > classification. would say she sits inbetween. > > Check her out at http://www.eleanormcevoy.net/ > > > Some of my other likes which went unmentioned are Jonatha Brooke, Missy > Higgins, and from many a moon ago Linda Ronstadt...... Yes, even her > 1970's albums still sound great today. > > Cant wait for September 18th Shawn Colvin plays her first gig in the UK > for well over 6 years AND shes comming back for more dates later in the > year. > > Regards > Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:41:14 -0400 From: "Michael Tatlow" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Serious female singers Check out Grace Potter.......http://www.gracepotter.com/ very serious - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Mackness" To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:42 AM Subject: MM: RE: Serious female singers >> Re: MM: RE: Serious female singers... >> >> Forgive me for the "late" posting, but i've just been catching up with >> some MM digest postings from a couple of weeks ago!! >> >> On the subject of female singers, my personal favourite seems to have >> gone unmentioned in all the various postings, so it's a belated mention >> here for >> Eleanor McEvoy. >> >> With six albums to her name, she also wrote the title track for Ireland's >> biggest selling album of all time "Only a womans heart". She's done the >> "Rock Chick" thing on the album "What's following me" but later offerings >> have been more laid back. >> Eleanor herself doesn't class her stuff as Folk, but prefers the "Rock" >> classification. would say she sits inbetween. >> >> Check her out at http://www.eleanormcevoy.net/ >> >> >> Some of my other likes which went unmentioned are Jonatha Brooke, Missy >> Higgins, and from many a moon ago Linda Ronstadt...... Yes, even her >> 1970's albums still sound great today. >> >> Cant wait for September 18th Shawn Colvin plays her first gig in the UK >> for well over 6 years AND shes comming back for more dates later in the >> year. >> >> Regards >> Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:44:13 -0400 From: "Michael Tatlow" Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams I agree, I think that with the exception of Dylan as #1 the ranking is total subjective. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > As someone said earlier on this post, art is subjective. The list proves > that theory- in my opinion it's pretty random. The only songwriter's > placement > that makes sense to me is Bob Dylan as #1. Other than that...random! > But > good job to Patti for making #19! > > > In a message dated 8/1/2006 10:33:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > o.hugues@wanadoo.fr writes: > > I thought we had posted the list here. Here it is. You still should buy > Paste magazine. The more so as they use to have DVD and CD compilations > (or > CD only) along with each number. :o) > >> 100 T-Bone Burnett >> 99 Outkast >> 98 Jay Farrar >> 97 Josh Ritter >> 96 Jimmy Cliff >> 95 Patti Smith >> 94 Sam Phillips >> 93 Joseph Arthur >> 92 Alejandro Escovedo >> 91 Drive By Truckers >> 90 Nick Cave >> 89 Victoria Williams >> 88 Parliment >> 87 Lyle Lovett >> 86 Sam Beam (Iron & Wine) >> 85 David Bazan (Pedro the Lion, Headphones) >> 84 They Might Be Giants >> 83 Fleetwood Mac (Buckingham, Nicks, McVie) >> 82 John Darnielle (The Mountain Goats) >> 81 The Flaming Lips >> 80 Pink Floyd >> 79 Stephen Malkmus >> 78 Robert Pollard >> 77 Bruce Cockburn >> 76 Will Oldham >> 75 Ron Sexsmith >> 74 Over The Rhine >> 73 Julie Miller >> 72 Michael Jackson >> 71 Vic Chestnut >> 70 Alex Chilton >> 69 Merle Haggard >> 68 Allen Toussaint >> 67 Conor Oberst >> 66 Charles Thompson (aka Frank Black) >> 65 Bill Mallonee (Vigilantes of Love) >> 64 Andy Partridge >> 63 Richard Thompson >> 62 Sting >> 61 John Hiatt >> 60 Jimmy Webb >> 59 Jack White >> 58 Sly Stone >> 57 Morrissey >> 56 James Brown >> 55 Dolly Parton >> 54 Aimee Mann >> 53 James Taylor >> 52 Paul Westerberg >> 51 Dan Penn & Spooner Oldham >> 50 Public Enemy >> 49 Cat Stevens >> 48 Gillian Welch / David Rawlings >> 47 Sufjan Stevens >> 46 David Byrne >> 45 Jackson Browne >> 44 Al Green >> 43 Ryan Adams >> 42 Loretta Lynn >> 41 Ray Davies >> 40 Burt Bacharach & Hal David >> 39 Led Zeppelin >> 38 Kris Kristofferson >> 37 Smokey Robinson >> 36 Beck >> 35 Steve Earle >> 34 John Fogerty >> 33 Pete Townshend >> 32 Lieber & Stoller >> 31 Carole King >> 30 John Prine >> 29 Tom Petty >> 28 Robbie Robertson >> 27 Radiohead >> 26 REM >> 25 Chuck Berry >> 24 Jeff Tweedy >> 23 Elton John / Bernie Taupin >> 22 Lucinda Williams >> 21 Lou Reed >> 20 Van Morrison >> 19 Patty Griffin >> 18 U2 >> 17 Holland - Dozier- Holland >> 16 David Bowie >> 15 Willie Nelson >> 14 Stevie Wonder >> 13 Paul Simon >> 12 The Rolling Stones >> 11 Randy Newman >> 10 Prince >> 9 Joni Mitchell >> 8 Elvis Costello >> 7 Brian Wilson >> 6 Leonard Cohen >> 5 Paul McCartney >> 4 Tom Waits, Kathleen Brennan >> 3 Bruce Springsteen >> 2 Neil Young >> 1 BOB DYLAN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:40:35 +0200 From: "hugues" Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams Then the Dylan #1 is total subjective too... I don't see how you can objectively demonstrate he's the best songwriter alive... It all depends of different criteria... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tatlow" To: ; <>; Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > I agree, I think that with the exception of Dylan as #1 the ranking is total > subjective. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:23 AM > Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > > > > As someone said earlier on this post, art is subjective. The list proves > > that theory- in my opinion it's pretty random. The only songwriter's > > placement > > that makes sense to me is Bob Dylan as #1. Other than that...random! > > But > > good job to Patti for making #19! > > > > > > In a message dated 8/1/2006 10:33:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > o.hugues@wanadoo.fr writes: > > > > I thought we had posted the list here. Here it is. You still should buy > > Paste magazine. The more so as they use to have DVD and CD compilations > > (or > > CD only) along with each number. :o) > > > >> 100 T-Bone Burnett > >> 99 Outkast > >> 98 Jay Farrar > >> 97 Josh Ritter > >> 96 Jimmy Cliff > >> 95 Patti Smith > >> 94 Sam Phillips > >> 93 Joseph Arthur > >> 92 Alejandro Escovedo > >> 91 Drive By Truckers > >> 90 Nick Cave > >> 89 Victoria Williams > >> 88 Parliment > >> 87 Lyle Lovett > >> 86 Sam Beam (Iron & Wine) > >> 85 David Bazan (Pedro the Lion, Headphones) > >> 84 They Might Be Giants > >> 83 Fleetwood Mac (Buckingham, Nicks, McVie) > >> 82 John Darnielle (The Mountain Goats) > >> 81 The Flaming Lips > >> 80 Pink Floyd > >> 79 Stephen Malkmus > >> 78 Robert Pollard > >> 77 Bruce Cockburn > >> 76 Will Oldham > >> 75 Ron Sexsmith > >> 74 Over The Rhine > >> 73 Julie Miller > >> 72 Michael Jackson > >> 71 Vic Chestnut > >> 70 Alex Chilton > >> 69 Merle Haggard > >> 68 Allen Toussaint > >> 67 Conor Oberst > >> 66 Charles Thompson (aka Frank Black) > >> 65 Bill Mallonee (Vigilantes of Love) > >> 64 Andy Partridge > >> 63 Richard Thompson > >> 62 Sting > >> 61 John Hiatt > >> 60 Jimmy Webb > >> 59 Jack White > >> 58 Sly Stone > >> 57 Morrissey > >> 56 James Brown > >> 55 Dolly Parton > >> 54 Aimee Mann > >> 53 James Taylor > >> 52 Paul Westerberg > >> 51 Dan Penn & Spooner Oldham > >> 50 Public Enemy > >> 49 Cat Stevens > >> 48 Gillian Welch / David Rawlings > >> 47 Sufjan Stevens > >> 46 David Byrne > >> 45 Jackson Browne > >> 44 Al Green > >> 43 Ryan Adams > >> 42 Loretta Lynn > >> 41 Ray Davies > >> 40 Burt Bacharach & Hal David > >> 39 Led Zeppelin > >> 38 Kris Kristofferson > >> 37 Smokey Robinson > >> 36 Beck > >> 35 Steve Earle > >> 34 John Fogerty > >> 33 Pete Townshend > >> 32 Lieber & Stoller > >> 31 Carole King > >> 30 John Prine > >> 29 Tom Petty > >> 28 Robbie Robertson > >> 27 Radiohead > >> 26 REM > >> 25 Chuck Berry > >> 24 Jeff Tweedy > >> 23 Elton John / Bernie Taupin > >> 22 Lucinda Williams > >> 21 Lou Reed > >> 20 Van Morrison > >> 19 Patty Griffin > >> 18 U2 > >> 17 Holland - Dozier- Holland > >> 16 David Bowie > >> 15 Willie Nelson > >> 14 Stevie Wonder > >> 13 Paul Simon > >> 12 The Rolling Stones > >> 11 Randy Newman > >> 10 Prince > >> 9 Joni Mitchell > >> 8 Elvis Costello > >> 7 Brian Wilson > >> 6 Leonard Cohen > >> 5 Paul McCartney > >> 4 Tom Waits, Kathleen Brennan > >> 3 Bruce Springsteen > >> 2 Neil Young > >> 1 BOB DYLAN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:13:31 -0400 From: "Michael Tatlow" Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams No Dyan would be #1 under any criteria, how can he not. You may not like him as a performer. I think that even Patty has covered Dylan's Hollis Brown.. I don't see how you can't see that Dylan is the best songwriter alive. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "hugues" To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:40 AM Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > Then the Dylan #1 is total subjective too... > > I don't see how you can objectively demonstrate he's the best songwriter > alive... > > It all depends of different criteria... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Tatlow" > To: ; <>; > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > > >> I agree, I think that with the exception of Dylan as #1 the ranking is > total >> subjective. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:23 AM >> Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams >> >> >> > As someone said earlier on this post, art is subjective. The list > proves >> > that theory- in my opinion it's pretty random. The only songwriter's >> > placement >> > that makes sense to me is Bob Dylan as #1. Other than that...random! >> > But >> > good job to Patti for making #19! >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 8/1/2006 10:33:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> > o.hugues@wanadoo.fr writes: >> > >> > I thought we had posted the list here. Here it is. You still should >> > buy >> > Paste magazine. The more so as they use to have DVD and CD >> > compilations >> > (or >> > CD only) along with each number. :o) >> > >> >> 100 T-Bone Burnett >> >> 99 Outkast >> >> 98 Jay Farrar >> >> 97 Josh Ritter >> >> 96 Jimmy Cliff >> >> 95 Patti Smith >> >> 94 Sam Phillips >> >> 93 Joseph Arthur >> >> 92 Alejandro Escovedo >> >> 91 Drive By Truckers >> >> 90 Nick Cave >> >> 89 Victoria Williams >> >> 88 Parliment >> >> 87 Lyle Lovett >> >> 86 Sam Beam (Iron & Wine) >> >> 85 David Bazan (Pedro the Lion, Headphones) >> >> 84 They Might Be Giants >> >> 83 Fleetwood Mac (Buckingham, Nicks, McVie) >> >> 82 John Darnielle (The Mountain Goats) >> >> 81 The Flaming Lips >> >> 80 Pink Floyd >> >> 79 Stephen Malkmus >> >> 78 Robert Pollard >> >> 77 Bruce Cockburn >> >> 76 Will Oldham >> >> 75 Ron Sexsmith >> >> 74 Over The Rhine >> >> 73 Julie Miller >> >> 72 Michael Jackson >> >> 71 Vic Chestnut >> >> 70 Alex Chilton >> >> 69 Merle Haggard >> >> 68 Allen Toussaint >> >> 67 Conor Oberst >> >> 66 Charles Thompson (aka Frank Black) >> >> 65 Bill Mallonee (Vigilantes of Love) >> >> 64 Andy Partridge >> >> 63 Richard Thompson >> >> 62 Sting >> >> 61 John Hiatt >> >> 60 Jimmy Webb >> >> 59 Jack White >> >> 58 Sly Stone >> >> 57 Morrissey >> >> 56 James Brown >> >> 55 Dolly Parton >> >> 54 Aimee Mann >> >> 53 James Taylor >> >> 52 Paul Westerberg >> >> 51 Dan Penn & Spooner Oldham >> >> 50 Public Enemy >> >> 49 Cat Stevens >> >> 48 Gillian Welch / David Rawlings >> >> 47 Sufjan Stevens >> >> 46 David Byrne >> >> 45 Jackson Browne >> >> 44 Al Green >> >> 43 Ryan Adams >> >> 42 Loretta Lynn >> >> 41 Ray Davies >> >> 40 Burt Bacharach & Hal David >> >> 39 Led Zeppelin >> >> 38 Kris Kristofferson >> >> 37 Smokey Robinson >> >> 36 Beck >> >> 35 Steve Earle >> >> 34 John Fogerty >> >> 33 Pete Townshend >> >> 32 Lieber & Stoller >> >> 31 Carole King >> >> 30 John Prine >> >> 29 Tom Petty >> >> 28 Robbie Robertson >> >> 27 Radiohead >> >> 26 REM >> >> 25 Chuck Berry >> >> 24 Jeff Tweedy >> >> 23 Elton John / Bernie Taupin >> >> 22 Lucinda Williams >> >> 21 Lou Reed >> >> 20 Van Morrison >> >> 19 Patty Griffin >> >> 18 U2 >> >> 17 Holland - Dozier- Holland >> >> 16 David Bowie >> >> 15 Willie Nelson >> >> 14 Stevie Wonder >> >> 13 Paul Simon >> >> 12 The Rolling Stones >> >> 11 Randy Newman >> >> 10 Prince >> >> 9 Joni Mitchell >> >> 8 Elvis Costello >> >> 7 Brian Wilson >> >> 6 Leonard Cohen >> >> 5 Paul McCartney >> >> 4 Tom Waits, Kathleen Brennan >> >> 3 Bruce Springsteen >> >> 2 Neil Young >> >> 1 BOB DYLAN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:39:07 -0400 From: Jonathan Buttrick Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams how can you not see this as a subjective matter? i know some people that would put tupac far above dylan. to each his own. Michael Tatlow wrote: > No Dyan would be #1 under any criteria, how can he not. You may not > like him as a performer. I think that even Patty has covered Dylan's > Hollis Brown.. I don't see how you can't see that Dylan is the best > songwriter alive. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "hugues" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams > > >> Then the Dylan #1 is total subjective too... >> >> I don't see how you can objectively demonstrate he's the best songwriter >> alive... >> >> It all depends of different criteria... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tatlow" >> >> To: ; <>; >> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 3:44 PM >> Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams >> >> >>> I agree, I think that with the exception of Dylan as #1 the ranking is >> total >>> subjective. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: >>> To: ; >>> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: MM: Re: lucinda williams >>> >>> >>> > As someone said earlier on this post, art is subjective. The list >> proves >>> > that theory- in my opinion it's pretty random. The only >>> songwriter's >>> > placement >>> > that makes sense to me is Bob Dylan as #1. Other than >>> that...random! >>> > But >>> > good job to Patti for making #19! >>> > >>> > >>> > In a message dated 8/1/2006 10:33:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>> > o.hugues@wanadoo.fr writes: >>> > >>> > I thought we had posted the list here. Here it is. You still >>> should > buy >>> > Paste magazine. The more so as they use to have DVD and CD > >>> compilations >>> > (or >>> > CD only) along with each number. :o) >>> > >>> >> 100 T-Bone Burnett >>> >> 99 Outkast >>> >> 98 Jay Farrar >>> >> 97 Josh Ritter >>> >> 96 Jimmy Cliff >>> >> 95 Patti Smith >>> >> 94 Sam Phillips >>> >> 93 Joseph Arthur >>> >> 92 Alejandro Escovedo >>> >> 91 Drive By Truckers >>> >> 90 Nick Cave >>> >> 89 Victoria Williams >>> >> 88 Parliment >>> >> 87 Lyle Lovett >>> >> 86 Sam Beam (Iron & Wine) >>> >> 85 David Bazan (Pedro the Lion, Headphones) >>> >> 84 They Might Be Giants >>> >> 83 Fleetwood Mac (Buckingham, Nicks, McVie) >>> >> 82 John Darnielle (The Mountain Goats) >>> >> 81 The Flaming Lips >>> >> 80 Pink Floyd >>> >> 79 Stephen Malkmus >>> >> 78 Robert Pollard >>> >> 77 Bruce Cockburn >>> >> 76 Will Oldham >>> >> 75 Ron Sexsmith >>> >> 74 Over The Rhine >>> >> 73 Julie Miller >>> >> 72 Michael Jackson >>> >> 71 Vic Chestnut >>> >> 70 Alex Chilton >>> >> 69 Merle Haggard >>> >> 68 Allen Toussaint >>> >> 67 Conor Oberst >>> >> 66 Charles Thompson (aka Frank Black) >>> >> 65 Bill Mallonee (Vigilantes of Love) >>> >> 64 Andy Partridge >>> >> 63 Richard Thompson >>> >> 62 Sting >>> >> 61 John Hiatt >>> >> 60 Jimmy Webb >>> >> 59 Jack White >>> >> 58 Sly Stone >>> >> 57 Morrissey >>> >> 56 James Brown >>> >> 55 Dolly Parton >>> >> 54 Aimee Mann >>> >> 53 James Taylor >>> >> 52 Paul Westerberg >>> >> 51 Dan Penn & Spooner Oldham >>> >> 50 Public Enemy >>> >> 49 Cat Stevens >>> >> 48 Gillian Welch / David Rawlings >>> >> 47 Sufjan Stevens >>> >> 46 David Byrne >>> >> 45 Jackson Browne >>> >> 44 Al Green >>> >> 43 Ryan Adams >>> >> 42 Loretta Lynn >>> >> 41 Ray Davies >>> >> 40 Burt Bacharach & Hal David >>> >> 39 Led Zeppelin >>> >> 38 Kris Kristofferson >>> >> 37 Smokey Robinson >>> >> 36 Beck >>> >> 35 Steve Earle >>> >> 34 John Fogerty >>> >> 33 Pete Townshend >>> >> 32 Lieber & Stoller >>> >> 31 Carole King >>> >> 30 John Prine >>> >> 29 Tom Petty >>> >> 28 Robbie Robertson >>> >> 27 Radiohead >>> >> 26 REM >>> >> 25 Chuck Berry >>> >> 24 Jeff Tweedy >>> >> 23 Elton John / Bernie Taupin >>> >> 22 Lucinda Williams >>> >> 21 Lou Reed >>> >> 20 Van Morrison >>> >> 19 Patty Griffin >>> >> 18 U2 >>> >> 17 Holland - Dozier- Holland >>> >> 16 David Bowie >>> >> 15 Willie Nelson >>> >> 14 Stevie Wonder >>> >> 13 Paul Simon >>> >> 12 The Rolling Stones >>> >> 11 Randy Newman >>> >> 10 Prince >>> >> 9 Joni Mitchell >>> >> 8 Elvis Costello >>> >> 7 Brian Wilson >>> >> 6 Leonard Cohen >>> >> 5 Paul McCartney >>> >> 4 Tom Waits, Kathleen Brennan >>> >> 3 Bruce Springsteen >>> >> 2 Neil Young >>> >> 1 BOB DYLAN ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V10 #86 *********************************