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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Saturday, July 15 2006 Volume 10 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts [RbSayre@aol.com] MM: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts ["Steve Merce] MM: RE: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts ["Jim Mur] MM: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts ["rockerpgh _] MM: Re: RE: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts ["Ste] MM: Re: [EDA] You Know What... [Kiwi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:54:53 EDT From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: MM: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts That was an interesting article. However, one factor that has certainly made me lose interest in a lot of the people mentioned is that the albums they've been making have just not been as good. Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow and Jewel are perfect examples of artists that I used to love, who have released albums that I've found to be majorly disappointing. I can't even listen to the latest Jewel disc. In fact, I find that the majority of new music I have found myself *loving* lately are all independent artists (or those who are virtually unknown in the States) whom I've discovered on my own- Holly Palmer, Beth Thornley & Paul Bryan are who I'm listening to now. There are certainly artists who have remained consistently great- Patty, Aimee Mann, Indigo Girls, Bic Runga, Ben Folds- but more and more these days I find that when it comes to some of my old favorites, I'm happier listening to the old stuff than their latest release. It's actually kinda depressing. - -Rick *It may be that the satisfaction I need depends on my going away, so that when I've gone & come back I'll find it at home.* -Rumi a better version of me *even things that seem still are still changing* -ben folds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:39:41 +0100 From: "Steve Mercer \(MDM\)" Subject: MM: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts Interesting article, but why is chart success that important? Here in England we never(or rarely)hear Patty on the radio (with the exception of the Bob Harris radio 2 shows). The good music seems to escape the general public most of the time. Which is a pity for the artists(financial reward etc). Even our own Thea Gilmore is unkown to most. Check her out if the name is new to you! Also, can we really expect great singer/songwriters such as Sarah McLachlan to come up with the goods everytime? Should we just be thankful for what she has already given to us? True, Patty delivers everytime (so far that is) and if she never recorded again I would just treasure the music to date. I still listen to BLUE - Joni (retired bless her) but the music lives on! There is so much good music out there (mainly from your side of the pond)... Lyn Miles, Wailin Jennys, Dar Williams, Neal Casal, Todd Thibaud, Eric Bibb etc etc etc.......... (The list is endless) Daytime radio over here - No chance. So, whats it all about? See ya Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: MM: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts > That was an interesting article. However, one factor that has certainly > made > me lose interest in a lot of the people mentioned is that the albums > they've > been making have just not been as good. Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow and > Jewel > are perfect examples of artists that I used to love, who have released > albums > that I've found to be majorly disappointing. I can't even listen to the > latest > Jewel disc. > In fact, I find that the majority of new music I have found myself > *loving* > lately are all independent artists (or those who are virtually unknown in > the > States) whom I've discovered on my own- Holly Palmer, Beth Thornley & Paul > Bryan are who I'm listening to now. There are certainly artists who have > remained consistently great- Patty, Aimee Mann, Indigo Girls, Bic Runga, > Ben Folds- > but more and more these days I find that when it comes to some of my old > favorites, I'm happier listening to the old stuff than their latest > release. It's > actually kinda depressing. > > -Rick > *It may be that the satisfaction I need depends on my going away, > so that when I've gone & come back I'll find it at home.* -Rumi > a better version of me > *even things that seem still are still changing* -ben folds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:52:37 -0400 From: "Jim Murphy" Subject: MM: RE: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts Boy did I get a kick out of your post here about the music. In the past two years, here in the States all we have been getting on a weekly basis is the next big thing from the UK. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mercer (MDM) Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:40 AM To: RbSayre@aol.com; mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts Interesting article, but why is chart success that important? Here in England we never(or rarely)hear Patty on the radio (with the exception of the Bob Harris radio 2 shows). The good music seems to escape the general public most of the time. Which is a pity for the artists(financial reward etc). Even our own Thea Gilmore is unkown to most. Check her out if the name is new to you! Also, can we really expect great singer/songwriters such as Sarah McLachlan to come up with the goods everytime? Should we just be thankful for what she has already given to us? True, Patty delivers everytime (so far that is) and if she never recorded again I would just treasure the music to date. I still listen to BLUE - Joni (retired bless her) but the music lives on! There is so much good music out there (mainly from your side of the pond)... Lyn Miles, Wailin Jennys, Dar Williams, Neal Casal, Todd Thibaud, Eric Bibb etc etc etc.......... (The list is endless) Daytime radio over here - No chance. So, whats it all about? See ya Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: MM: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts > That was an interesting article. However, one factor that has certainly > made > me lose interest in a lot of the people mentioned is that the albums > they've > been making have just not been as good. Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow and > Jewel > are perfect examples of artists that I used to love, who have released > albums > that I've found to be majorly disappointing. I can't even listen to the > latest > Jewel disc. > In fact, I find that the majority of new music I have found myself > *loving* > lately are all independent artists (or those who are virtually unknown in > the > States) whom I've discovered on my own- Holly Palmer, Beth Thornley & Paul > Bryan are who I'm listening to now. There are certainly artists who have > remained consistently great- Patty, Aimee Mann, Indigo Girls, Bic Runga, > Ben Folds- > but more and more these days I find that when it comes to some of my old > favorites, I'm happier listening to the old stuff than their latest > release. It's > actually kinda depressing. > > -Rick > *It may be that the satisfaction I need depends on my going away, > so that when I've gone & come back I'll find it at home.* -Rumi > a better version of me > *even things that seem still are still changing* -ben folds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:19:09 -0400 From: "rockerpgh _" Subject: MM: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts Agree about Sarah and Sheryl. Don't know about Jewel, haven't heard her latest, though she was never that high on my list anyway. However, Sarah was at one time up there with Patty, on the basis of Fumbling Towards Ecstasy which gets 5 stars just like Patty's Living With Ghosts; Sarah's Solace was also excellent at 4 stars. To Sarah's credit, she had some nice singles on Surfacing, but that album and subsequent were good or fair. ----- Original Message ----- From: RbSayre@aol.com To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:54 AM Subject: MM: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts That was an interesting article. However, one factor that has certainly made me lose interest in a lot of the people mentioned is that the albums they've been making have just not been as good. Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow and Jewel are perfect examples of artists that I used to love, who have released albums that I've found to be majorly disappointing. I can't even listen to the latest Jewel disc. In fact, I find that the majority of new music I have found myself *loving* lately are all independent artists (or those who are virtually unknown in the States) whom I've discovered on my own- Holly Palmer, Beth Thornley & Paul Bryan are who I'm listening to now. There are certainly artists who have remained consistently great- Patty, Aimee Mann, Indigo Girls, Bic Runga, Ben Folds- but more and more these days I find that when it comes to some of my old favorites, I'm happier listening to the old stuff than their latest release. It's actually kinda depressing. -Rick *It may be that the satisfaction I need depends on my going away, so that when I've gone & come back I'll find it at home.* -Rumi a better version of me *even things that seem still are still changing* -ben folds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:42:25 +0100 From: "Steve Mercer \(MDM\)" Subject: MM: Re: RE: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts For example? PS Forgot to mention Rosie Thomas - How could I? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Murphy" To: "'Steve Mercer (MDM)'" ; ; Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: MM: RE: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts > Boy did I get a kick out of your post here about the music. In the past > two > years, here in the States all we have been getting on a weekly basis is > the > next big thing from the UK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Steve Mercer (MDM) > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:40 AM > To: RbSayre@aol.com; mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: Re: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts > > Interesting article, but why is chart success > that important? > Here in England we never(or rarely)hear > Patty on the radio (with the exception of > the Bob Harris radio 2 shows). > The good music seems to escape the general > public most of the time. Which is a pity for the > artists(financial reward etc). > Even our own Thea Gilmore is unkown to most. > Check her out if the name is new to you! > Also, can we really expect great singer/songwriters > such as Sarah McLachlan to come up with the > goods everytime? Should we just be thankful > for what she has already given to us? > True, Patty delivers everytime (so far that is) > and if she never recorded again I would just > treasure the music to date. > I still listen to BLUE - Joni (retired bless her) > but the music lives on! > There is so much good music out there (mainly > from your side of the pond)... > Lyn Miles, Wailin Jennys, Dar Williams, Neal Casal, > Todd Thibaud, Eric Bibb etc etc etc.......... > (The list is endless) > Daytime radio over here - No chance. > So, whats it all about? > See ya > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:54 AM > Subject: MM: Serious female singers harder to find on the charts > > >> That was an interesting article. However, one factor that has certainly >> made >> me lose interest in a lot of the people mentioned is that the albums >> they've >> been making have just not been as good. Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow and >> Jewel >> are perfect examples of artists that I used to love, who have released >> albums >> that I've found to be majorly disappointing. I can't even listen to the >> latest >> Jewel disc. >> In fact, I find that the majority of new music I have found myself >> *loving* >> lately are all independent artists (or those who are virtually unknown in >> the >> States) whom I've discovered on my own- Holly Palmer, Beth Thornley & >> Paul >> Bryan are who I'm listening to now. There are certainly artists who >> have >> remained consistently great- Patty, Aimee Mann, Indigo Girls, Bic Runga, >> Ben Folds- >> but more and more these days I find that when it comes to some of my old >> favorites, I'm happier listening to the old stuff than their latest >> release. It's >> actually kinda depressing. >> >> -Rick >> *It may be that the satisfaction I need depends on my going away, >> so that when I've gone & come back I'll find it at home.* -Rumi >> a better version of me >> *even things that seem still are still changing* -ben folds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:56:23 -0400 From: Kiwi Subject: MM: Re: [EDA] You Know What... "When MTV? WHEN? (okay, enough ranting! And I really do like Ashlee Simpson, Ashley Parker Angel, and Cheyenne...i have all of their cd's, so no disrespect to them.)" Honestly, this is the reason they make these show, they work, the albums sell. We all wonder why reality TV and tabloids are doing so well too. Everyone complains about how shallow and obsessed with pop culture our society has become, yet everyone knows the name of Bradgelina and Tomkats babies, and we all can offer an opinion on Janice Dickinson, Kristin Cavallari and Paris Hilton (if you don't know at least one of those names give yourself two points!!). Most people I know claim to be above pop culture stupidity (myself included), yet we all watch The Soup. It's a guilty pleasure thing I guess, and the media is quite aware that even if we claim to hate all of it, we will still tune in, even if it's just to make fun. I could be totally wrong, but I think it has to do with escapism and control. There is so much going on in the world that we can't do anything about...I know that I get nightmares from watching the news sometimes. Pop culture is more manageable...when we see a picture of Lindsay Lohan falling down drunk outside of a club or a 16 year old girl throw a tantrum because her father won't buy her a diamond tiara for her birthday we can think to ourselves "Gee, now I'm actually glad I don't have that much money or fame, look how screwed up my priorities would be." And then we laugh and make fun of them with our friends. When we see pictures of dead soldiers and hear reports of nuclear weapons in the Mideast we get knots in our stomachs and feel helpless. We don't like to think about it because there is nothing we can do to help the situation, and heaven knows bringing up nuclear annihilation at the water cooler won't get you invited to the after work happy hour at TGI Friday so we change the channel and watch American Idol. On 7/15/06, Matt Sullivan wrote: > > I'm getting really tired of all these reality shows on MTV that document > an > artist trying to make a debut album. I understand how the process works, > so > I don't need to see Cheyenne and Ashlee Simpson do it. Not do discredit > them > as artists, but you're TV show shouldn't be you're gimmick to sell > records. > You're talent should be you're gimmick. I can understand Ashley Parker > Angel > doing it, because he went from being in a boy band to being a solo artist. > Not that the show helped him, because his album is doing worse than > Jewel's. > Like I said, I'm not saying their not talented, because I actually like > all > of them. I'm just saying that the format MTV is using is getting pretty > old. > But I'm not going to lie... if I was a new artist trying to get a > following, > I'd probably take the million dollars and do the show too. But that > wouldn't > happen because I'm not a younger sibiling of someone who has a show on the > network, and I certainly wasn't in a boy band. > > Can we change the format MTV? How bout we have an established artist > making > an album who is trying to fit into a musical world that feels like they've > had their time? An artist who wants to show people that they still make > good > music even when the charts are dominated by hip-hop and r&b. I'm not > necessarily saying Jewel. But her or someone of her fame who is struggle > to > get their music played on the radio. There are so many talent artists who > are still putting out great albums, but aren't getting much attention > anymore. Can we show what it's like for them? Sitting in meetings > discussing > how they have to present their new material in a way that doesn't make it > seam like they sold out or are making music that sounds just like their > past > efforts? Making new fans while not seaming distant to their loyal ones? > > When MTV? WHEN? > (okay, enough ranting! And I really do like Ashlee Simpson, Ashley Parker > Angel, and Cheyenne...i have all of their cd's, so no disrespect to them.) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V10 #72 *********************************