From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V9 #173 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcertDB.php * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V8 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. * Also, PLEASE do not quote an entire digest when you reply to the * list. Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Monday, September 12 2005 Volume 09 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Re: NPC: 9.3% loss in members ["hugues" ] RE: MM: Patty on PBS ["Paul Russell" ] RE: MM: Patty on PBS [jmphlbat@comcast.net] MM: A Truth about the Artist/Fan Relationship [Jon45678@aol.com] RE: MM: A Truth about the Artist/Fan Relationship ["Dennis Flynn" ] RE: MM: A Truth about the Artist/Fan Relationship ["Charles Ott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:01:59 +0200 From: "hugues" Subject: MM: Re: NPC: 9.3% loss in members well, we have just driven away people who don't like to get posts on their mailing list they were waiting to be reminded that the list exists Hugues - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Connell" To: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: MM: NPC: 9.3% loss in members > Last Sunday evening we was 396 strong. This Sunday evening we is 359. > > Nothing like a good ol' stupid thread or two to drive people away. > > Just thought I'd post the casualty numbers. > > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:33:37 -0400 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: RE: MM: Patty on PBS Murph, Are you talking about the Austin City Limits show last year where she did: "Useless Desires" "When it don't come easy" and like three or four others? Or is this another show? Peace love and vegetable rights Paul ************************************* * * You can stop masterbating vigorously, * by the way. * * -- Paul Russell (me!) * Long story, you don't want to know * ************************************* - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jim Murphy" To: Subject: MM: Patty on PBS Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:52:07 -0400 The interview and show that Patty taped for PBS last year was advertised on NJN the New Jersey Public TV Station this weekend. All they said was that it was coming in the fall. No dates or times, so keep a look out for it on your local station Murph http://www.popatv.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:15:49 +0000 From: jmphlbat@comcast.net Subject: RE: MM: Patty on PBS It is a different show, follow the link in the last email for a preview - -------------- Original message -------------- > Murph, > > Are you talking about the Austin City Limits show last year where she did: > "Useless Desires" > "When it don't come easy" > and like three or four others? > > Or is this another show? > > Peace love and vegetable rights > > Paul > > > > ************************************* > * > * You can stop masterbating vigorously, > * by the way. > * > * -- Paul Russell (me!) > * Long story, you don't want to know > * > ************************************* > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Jim Murphy" > To: > Subject: MM: Patty on PBS > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:52:07 -0400 > > The interview and show that Patty taped for PBS last year was advertised on > NJN the New Jersey Public TV Station this weekend. All they said was that it > was coming in the fall. No dates or times, so keep a look out for it on your > local station > > Murph > > http://www.popatv.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:14:53 EDT From: Jon45678@aol.com Subject: MM: A Truth about the Artist/Fan Relationship Greetings, Mad Mission-ers-- As I've read the threads regarding the why-isn't-Patty-more-receptive-to-her-fans threads, I was reminded of a PBS program I saw about five years ago. It was about what lesser-known artists have to go through when they tour. Two of the artists in the documentary were Julia Fordham and Shawn Colvin. Camera crews simply followed them around during their respective tours. One truth that became extremely clear during the program is that while touring is rewarding in a number of ways, it is also absolutely EXHAUSTING--physically, mentally and emotionally. The artists not only have to deal with the stress of daily travel, but they have to spend lots of time and energy doing media promotions, etc., in addition to performing in a different venue every night. Both Fordham and Colvin expressed feeling somewhat guilty because they WISHED they could give more to their fans--more time, energy, attention, meet-and-greets, whatever--but they just didn't HAVE the time and/or the energy to satisfy everyone. I also recall reading a quote from Neil Young awhile back. He said that before and after his shows, he stays hidden backstage. Why? Because it's a necessity. His remark was something like "Unfortunately, fans will suck every bit of life out of you if you let them." Now, Neil's definitely not "anti-fan"--in fact, I met him at a greeting card store where I live (he's got his ranch in the area) and he couldn't have been nicer--but he was simply stating a fact. It should be enough for any fan of a singer/songwriter to simply allow him or her to perform their songs and then move on to the next stop. No artist "owes" a fan any more than that. Ciao for now, JON BRYANT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:26:47 +0000 From: "Dennis Flynn" Subject: RE: MM: A Truth about the Artist/Fan Relationship Mark Heard summed it all pretty nicely in a song a few years back: "In the Gaze Of the Spotlight's Eye" "In the gaze of the spotlight's eye A long way from home Still nauseous from a turbulent sky Up on the stage alone The live end of a microphone Point-blank to my soul I'm trying hard To keep my self-control I want to go home I wish that this night would end I've got to go on And shoot from the heart again Somebody came for the rock n' roll Somebody carne for a smile Somebody came for a sermon in song Or something to call worthwhile The expectations of who-knows-who Examining my soul Unknown faces expecting me to play some role And oh, I want to go home I wish that this night would end But I've got to go on And shoot from the heart again I don't have no magical words No pockets full of spiritual jewels I only know about the way things are In light of the simple truth I don't know which hearts are breaking Or whose flags are truly unfurled Between here and heaven and the outside world And oh, I want to go home I wish that this night would end But I've got to go on And shoot from the heart again" Written by Mark Heard ) 1983 Bug 4n Bear Music >From: Jon45678@aol.com >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: A Truth about the Artist/Fan Relationship >Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:14:53 EDT > >Greetings, Mad Mission-ers-- > > As I've read the threads regarding the >why-isn't-Patty-more-receptive-to-her-fans threads, I was reminded of a PBS >program I saw about five years ago. >It was about what lesser-known artists have to go through when they tour. >Two >of the artists in the documentary were Julia Fordham and Shawn Colvin. >Camera >crews simply followed them around during their respective tours. > > One truth that became extremely clear during the program is that while >touring is rewarding in a number of ways, it is also absolutely >EXHAUSTING--physically, mentally and emotionally. The artists not only >have to deal with the >stress of daily travel, but they have to spend lots of time and energy >doing >media promotions, etc., in addition to performing in a different venue >every >night. Both Fordham and Colvin expressed feeling somewhat guilty because >they >WISHED they could give more to their fans--more time, energy, attention, >meet-and-greets, whatever--but they just didn't HAVE the time and/or the >energy to >satisfy everyone. > > I also recall reading a quote from Neil Young awhile back. He said >that >before and after his shows, he stays hidden backstage. Why? Because it's >a >necessity. His remark was something like "Unfortunately, fans will suck >every >bit of life out of you if you let them." Now, Neil's definitely not >"anti-fan"--in fact, I met him at a greeting card store where I live (he's >got his ranch >in the area) and he couldn't have been nicer--but he was simply stating a >fact. > > It should be enough for any fan of a singer/songwriter to simply allow >him >or her to perform their songs and then move on to the next stop. No artist >"owes" a fan any more than that. > > Ciao for now, > > JON BRYANT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:15:26 EDT From: Jon45678@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Re: song request issue In a message dated 9/8/05 4:55:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sarahandnikki@ntlworld.com writes: > Imagine somebody you don't know freaks out at the very sight of you and > wants to touch you. Hugging is probably not going to be your first impulse, > particularly if you are a shy woman who has demonstrated a surprise at > having fans at all. Sarah, your comment makes me think back 25 years to the night John Lennon was murdered. "The man whose name will not be mentioned" (as Paul McCartney identifies him) waited outside Lennon's apartment building--like many adoring fans had-- and got his autograph as he walked by. When Lennon returned a few hours later, that same "adoring fan" pumped five hollow-point bullets into him. Today, artists MUST be cautious when dealing with fans, especially in one-on-one confrontations. You just don't know who might simply be a flustered, overly-zealous admirer--and who could be a murdering lunatic. Ciao for now, JON BRYANT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:30:44 -0400 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: Re: MM: Re: song request issue Sorry that I believe people are basically kind, good and honest. I forgot we live in a society that tries to keep people from leaving their front doors. Can't have the kids go out by themselves on Halloween, have to "celebrate" halloween in the day time. Can't talk to any of my fans because they might be wielding weapons. Can't sit on the public toilet because I'll get aids or pregnant. Can't drink tap water because it will kill me. Can't take a pocket knife on a plane because I could hijack it. Yes, it's really important to live as long as possible without trusting anyone or venturing out of the hole. That's a real life to lead. Put on some Barney cartoons and cower in the blankets at night. Put on SPF 50 every time you go outside while you're at it. I think it's in real poor taste that Jon compares the actions of MM fans to a killer. Emma, don't worry. I don't think you are a psycho. By the way, the lead singer of Against Me! Tom Gabel, ALSO came out and shook peoples' hands, signed autographs, and yes hugged people after the show (he hugged people during the show that would jump up on stage). His parents were even at the show, and they were in the unmoshing area near the sound board. Tom Gabel is actually a shy guy to new people in person, but he's out there being a nice guy. Peace love and vegetable rights Paul ************************************* * * You can stop masterbating vigorously, * by the way. * * -- Paul Russell (me!) * Long story, you don't want to know * ************************************* - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jon45678@aol.com To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: Re: song request issue Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:15:26 EDT In a message dated 9/8/05 4:55:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sarahandnikki@ntlworld.com writes: > Imagine somebody you don't know freaks out at the very sight of you and > wants to touch you. Hugging is probably not going to be your first impulse, > particularly if you are a shy woman who has demonstrated a surprise at > having fans at all. Sarah, your comment makes me think back 25 years to the night John Lennon was murdered. "The man whose name will not be mentioned" (as Paul McCartney identifies him) waited outside Lennon's apartment building--like many adoring fans had-- and got his autograph as he walked by. When Lennon returned a few hours later, that same "adoring fan" pumped five hollow-point bullets into him. Today, artists MUST be cautious when dealing with fans, especially in one-on-one confrontations. You just don't know who might simply be a flustered, overly-zealous admirer--and who could be a murdering lunatic. Ciao for now, JON BRYANT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:31:51 +0000 From: "Charles Ott" Subject: RE: MM: A Truth about the Artist/Fan Relationship Jon - they owe us nothing more than their beautiful art. Anything else is gravy. These singer/songwriters who don't get the big record companies $$$ and pampering work themselves ragged. Take Care, Julie
From: Jon45678@aol.com
To: mad-mission@smoe.org
Subject: MM: A Truth about the Artist/Fan Relationship
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:14:53 EDT
>Greetings, Mad Mission-ers--
>
> As I've read the threads regarding the
>why-isn't-Patty-more-receptive-to-her-fans threads, I was reminded of a PBS program I saw about five years ago.
>It was about what lesser-known artists have to go through when they tour. Two
>of the artists in the documentary were Julia Fordham and Shawn Colvin. Camera
>crews simply followed them around during their respective tours.
>
> One truth that became extremely clear during the program is that while
>touring is rewarding in a number of ways, it is also absolutely
>EXHAUSTING--physically, mentally and emotionally. The artists not only have to deal with the
>stress of daily travel, but they have to spend lots of time and energy doing
>media promotions, etc., in addition to performing in a different venue every
>night. Both Fordham and Colvin expressed feeling somewhat guilty because they
>WISHED they could give more to their fans--more time, energy, attention,
>meet-and-greets, whatever--but they just didn't HAVE the time and/or the energy to
>satisfy everyone.
>
> I also recall reading a quote from Neil Young awhile back. He said that
>before and after his shows, he stays hidden backstage. Why? Because it's a
>necessity. His remark was something like "Unfortunately, fans will suck every
>bit of life out of you if you let them." Now, Neil's definitely not
>"anti-fan"--in fact, I met him at a greeting card store where I live (he's got his ranch
>in the area) and he couldn't have been nicer--but he was simply stating a
>fact.
>
> It should be enough for any fan of a singer/songwriter to simply allow him
>or her to perform their songs and then move on to the next stop. No artist
>"owes" a fan any more than that.
>
> Ciao for now,
>
> JON BRYANT
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:38:00 +0000 From: "Charles Ott" Subject: Re: MM: Re: song request issue Jon (or anyone) - Didn't someone actually snap a photo of the moment Lennon was shot? I don't know if I've embellished it in my mind or something, but, I seem to remember this. Take Care, Julie
From: Jon45678@aol.com
To: mad-mission@smoe.org
Subject: Re: MM: Re: song request issue
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:15:26 EDT
>In a message dated 9/8/05 4:55:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>sarahandnikki@ntlworld.com writes:
>
> > Imagine somebody you don't know freaks out at the very sight of you and
> > wants to touch you. Hugging is probably not going to be your first
>impulse,
> > particularly if you are a shy woman who has demonstrated a surprise at
> > having fans at all.
>
> Sarah, your comment makes me think back 25 years to the night John Lennon
>was murdered. "The man whose name will not be mentioned" (as Paul McCartney
>identifies him) waited outside Lennon's apartment building--like many adoring
>fans had-- and got his autograph as he walked by. When Lennon returned a few
>hours later, that same "adoring fan" pumped five hollow-point bullets into him.
>
> Today, artists MUST be cautious when dealing with fans, especially in
>one-on-one confrontations. You just don't know who might simply be a flustered,
>overly-zealous admirer--and who could be a murdering lunatic.
>
> Ciao for now,
>
> JON BRYANT
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