From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V9 #170 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcertDB.php * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V8 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. * Also, PLEASE do not quote an entire digest when you reply to the * list. Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Saturday, September 10 2005 Volume 09 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: MM: Sense of Entitlement ["Paul Russell" ] MM: Just some bitch who's probably got no life, [joesi@gis.net] Re: MM: Sense of Entitlement ["hugues" ] Re: MM: Sense of Entitlement ["Paul Russell" ] Re: MM: Name callers! ["NICOLE DEWALL" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:46:16 -0400 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: RE: MM: Sense of Entitlement And I'm saying that it's okay for Patty to not like her fans. Wendy O Williams didn't like her fans. Johnny Rotten still doesn't like his fans. ****Warning warning, long email Will Robinson******** Because you buy her CDs and go to her concerts? So what? You buy a CD or go to a concert and what you get in return in music that touches your soul. That is all you deserve. Why buy CDs when you can get them free off the Internet? ha ha ha ha Sorry. I couldn't resist that one. Consider me actually closing that can of worms before I open it. lips zipped. Buttoned. locked. and the key thrown away. mrph mphh mnphn. Well, Patty Griffin has never actually done anything for me that I know of. So, I don't understand the "all you deserve" stuff. She's never bought me a drink (although she might if I showed a little more leg next time), she's never fixed my car, or brought me food to my table. Like a delicious steak. Chateaubriand perhaps. Oh! it's heaven. Food down my throat. Oh God gotta wash that down with some Guinness stout! I also don't undestand why people think they are entitled to a musician's absolute attention and playing everything they request. That makes no sense at all. If you want to have that sort of control over a musician you'll need to buy more of her than a few albums or a few concert tickets. And then unless her name is Mozart or Bach who lived for that stuff, then you are probably going to stifle her creativity anyway. I'm glad she politely turned down the requesters in Sheffield. Because that was pretty recent, and it sounds like she's doing the decent thing; that means she's getting better at being polite. We don't expect these things from other people doing their job, why expect it from celebrities. We (and I'm using the term "we" very loosely here because I don't actually care) expect it from celebrities because "we" see them on TV and newspapers and magazines and everything everyday. "We" identify with them. How often do you see some people talking about the guest on last night's Leno or Letterman or Arsenio Hall show? Well, maybe people aren't talking about the Arsenio Hall show anymore. The celebrity is on to promote a new book, TV show, tatoo, product line, movie, etc. They have to talk about themselves and be likable. Show Rapport. Then we identify with them and want the product they are offering. It seems I'm getting a lot of "leave Patty in Peace" sentiment; but if that were the case, why should any of us buy her stuff, go to her shows, etc? That's certainly not leaving her in peace because we want her to make more and sing and write and replay. And she's certainly not leaving us in peace because she's touring and releasing albums. What you are describing comes with the territory of celebritydom. It's something many don't think about in their teens when they sit there telling themselves they want to be a big star. Then when they get there and find that they have to dodge photographers and fans and critics, it's not as dreamy as they first thought. The waitress didn't take the job so she could clean up your gum you left on the bottom of the counter as a joke, but that's part of her job that she might not like to do. The doctor didn't study nine years so that he could be the target of a bogus malpractice suit that some lawyer convinced some upset family to start in order to gain monetarily from their son's death in the hospital. One of the things that really rips my gnads is when I'm at a pub and there's someone playing originals or covers that are "genre" related to the establishment, and some jackoff shouts his ugly head to hear something way out of place. Like when I was in some Boston Irish Pub. Here was this Irish folk singer singing Irish tunes, and some crackhead was shouting for "American Pie." Hmmm. You are in an Irish Pub. You have an actual Irish man singing with a guitar here, and all you can muster to think about in your "wanna-get-laid cheap chain-around-the-neck and shirt unbuttoned-down-to-your-belt" fool looking self is to hear a horribly overplayed song? Go jerkoff in the restroom and get it over with already. It's a little different when someone wants to hear a song the musician actually sings or wrote. It's a little different when someone accidentally spills coffee all over the waitress' table. It's a little different when the doctor used severe negligence causing the death of the son. Does she "owe" us as listeners and fans anything? She doesn't owe us a song. But she does owe us to be polite to us if she's a decent human being. I'm polite to strangers. I'm polite to wacked out strangers. I'm not polite to rude people. I was at this bar one night with my sister who was visiting and this guy was looking at me grinning. After a while he came over to me and told me he liked my show on TV. I thought that was weird but cool. I couldn't imagine ANYONE actually liking that show, but I thanked him. I didn't freak out on him. Yes, I would have given him a hug if he'd ask. I was just amazed that someone besides my neighbors and friends watched the show. And if she doesn't feel she needs to be polite to some jackass in the third row shouting out all the songs he knows Patty Griffin sings, well of course that's okay. He's not respecting her. She needs to crowd surf over to him and kick him in the teeth. But most people are just normal, perhaps shy people who want Patty Griffin to know they know more songs of her than just her latest album. It's like a quick "I know more of your material. I love your work. hi!". Well for those people, she needs to be polite to them. Politely decline if she wants, but show some better manners than "I don't do requests". You see it all the time, there's always that distinction between the longtime fans and the bandwagon fans? A Braves fan will want to have been a Braves fan through the rotten years or she doesn't get as much respect. A bit of rivalry. I mean look at us, we use a packet of M&Ms to go out and identify each other, sometimes having Patty Griiffin herself autograph a bag of M&Ms. Do you know how weird that is? "here, please sign my bag of M&Ms even though you don't work for MARS." How many times has William Shatner had to greet people who are wearing vulcan ears or whole Kilngon costumes. There's a dentist office here in Florida where the whole office is set as a sick bay or whatever it's called in the Starship. Enterprise. And they're all wearing sick bay outfits and stuff. She knows we love her stuff. She owes us to be a decent human being to us. There's a "blogger" called the Yarn Harlot who quilts and gives good advice and funny stories about quilting and her life. She recently went on tour in the West and Canada. She's quite popular and gets crowded with fans. Do you think there are many people she doesn't want to give the time of day to? I would say so, but she meets everyone and signs things and checks out everyone's stitching and gives advice. But she's polite to them. Could you imagine checking out fifty people's knitting projects a day? God, can you imagine what's going to happen when people start coming up to Patty Griffin with a guitar in hand to play songs to her for advice? She needs to be polite. I also think she needs to play two requests, not because she owes me anything. Because she wants to do it. Because she wants to show she's part of the people, she feels their pain. However if she's not gonna do that, she definitely needs to be polite. And she owes Emma a hug. "You're just jealous because I've been online chatting with hot babes all day." Peace love and vegetable rights, Paul ************************************* * * You can stop masterbating vigorously, * by the way. * * -- Paul Russell (me!) * Long story, you don't want to know * ************************************* >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Jonathan Cass >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: Sense of Entitlement >Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:14:40 -0400 > > > >After reading the slew of emails over the past couple days, what I don't get >is the incredible sense of entitlement that so many fans have for their >favorite artists. > Maybe Patty doesn't like being in the spotlight. Maybe she doesn't want >legions of adoring fans viewing her as a goddess. Maybe she doesn't want to >be a "star" and just wants to be Patty. Maybe the thought of a random >stranger coming up and asking for a hug seems as creepy to her as it would >to the rest of us. Maybe she just enjoys making and playing music. > Why does she owe you anything else? Because you buy her CDs and go to her >concerts? So what? You buy a CD or go to a concert and what you get in >return in music that touches your soul. That is all you deserve. Patty (and >any other artist or celebrity) owes you nothing more. Do you deserve a hug >from your doctor because he cured that rash? Do you deserve an autograph >from your waitress because she gave you good service and the best damn steak >you've had in awhile? We don't expect these things from other people doing >their job, why expect it from celebrities. > Instead of complaining that an artist isn't giving hugs, autographs or >taking requests why not enjoy what they are there for - to play music. If >you are lucky enough to get a hug, autograph or your request played - great, >but don't take it personal if those things don't happen. > I can understand the emotion of having a connection to music and therefore >you feel a connection to the artist that created it. But let's be honest >here, you don't know that artist and you are not friends. If the artist >isn't thrilled about hanging out with you they are not being stuckup or >snobby, they just don't wish to pretend to be friends with every stranger >they meet. > Have any of you people complaining listened to the lyrics of "One More >Girl"??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:46:58 -0700 From: joesi@gis.net Subject: MM: Just some bitch who's probably got no life, lyrics by patty griffin One More Girl I took off my iron smile Because I found it weighed me down Tomorrow when the world wakes up I'll be in another town You don't know what you want But at this moment it could be me You move your hand across my knee Turn me into some novelty Yes I'm one more girl on the stage Just one more ass that got stuffed in some jeans And it's one more day that you don't find true love Because you don't know what it means Did you ever take the time to Think about who I might be Where I've been What I'm thinking Who I love, what I seen I'm one more car out on the road that You might pass on your way home Someone's sister, someone's wife or Just some bitch who's probably Got no life, yes I'm One more girl on the stage Just one more ass that got stuffed into jeans Just one more day that you don't find true love Because you don't know what it means One day we'll be a pile of ashes For the best of time, it passes So take your hand off my knee Do you know what it means to be One more girl on the stage Just one more ass that got stuffed in some jeans Just one more day that you don't find true love Because you don't know what it means on the unreleased 2000 album, Silver Bell ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ when i heard it sung she really cut loose I'm not sure I've heard a studio version what a great line... Just some bitch who's probably Got no life, another singer\songwriter y'all should check out is Martin Sexton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:47:46 +0200 From: "hugues" Subject: Re: MM: Sense of Entitlement - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" > And I'm saying that it's okay for Patty to not like her fans. Oh, she doesn't like her fans now. Just brilliant. Hugues (who decided to skip every Paul Russell's post from now on) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:10:31 -0400 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: Re: MM: Sense of Entitlement Fooken brilliant! Buy the Whey. To everyone's pleasure, I don't normally get to check my email and respond this much. I'm just procrastinating on a project right now. Two. I'm procrastinating on Two projects right now. Three. There is no third project on which I'm procrastinating. The number of procrastinated projects is two. This week has been different much to the chagrin of some. But soon you should only hear the occasional rant again. Amen to that, Brother Jesus, Sister Mary, Mother of God, wife of Joseph, friend of Peter, and a chance meeting with Brian. ha ha Peace love and vegetable rights, Paul PS-Aside note to Hugues to isn't reading this anyway (hell I don't even know if I'm writing it correctly so it doesn't matter): Yay ! Je ne devrai ripondre plus ` quelqu'un qui pense qu'il sait tout. ************************************* * * You can stop masterbating vigorously, * by the way. * * -- Paul Russell (me!) * Long story, you don't want to know * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:29:26 -0700 From: "NICOLE DEWALL" Subject: Re: MM: Name callers! The best way to make sure that she is even more "stand-offish" is to let her know that several people think that she is a snob...... Don't you think that in some way this mass mailing gets back to her? How would that make you all feel? It's not nice to call names.... Go to work, pay your bills, buy her tickets, enjoy her music, Nicole _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V9 #170 *********************************