From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V9 #166 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcertDB.php * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V8 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. * Also, PLEASE do not quote an entire digest when you reply to the * list. Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, September 7 2005 Volume 09 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: to request or not to request [Mooodeee@aol.com] MM: song request issue ["emma rodrigues" ] MM: please take me off this list [] Re: MM: Let me off! [NPC] [FlamingRed74@aol.com] MM: How to unsubscribe from a Mad-Mission mailing list [Mike Connell ] Re: NPG: MM: song request issue ["Paul Russell" ] RE: MM: song request issue ["Paul Russell" ] Re: NPG: MM: song request issue [Lance Macdonald ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:05:06 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: to request or not to request Yes, to everything Sharon said and I'll add that artists are ALWAYS more in love with their new material---it's their current expressive self, it's fresh and feels good playing it (and they're not sick of it or haven't forgotten how to play it). But that affection for the new material gets reinforced by the label's need to promote what's current, especially to support the CD for radio play. Most requests from what I've seen tend to be the oldies or the obscuries, so I would imagine that could easily have something to do with not taking them, if not be the sole reason. My favorite Patty was the wild woman who thrashed her head and dug into the guitar like she was beating the sh*t out of it.... Wiggly... Cain.... I write the book... I appreciate that country music sells and softening things broadens the audience, but d*mn I sure miss that Patty. Mimi (pouting back into lurkdom) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:11:37 -0700 From: "emma rodrigues" Subject: MM: song request issue i agree with everyones ideas on song requests. sometimes artists dont want to for their own reasons and that is understandable....... but..... i must admit that patty is a little stand offishwith her fans. (not that i love her any less) :) from what ive seen of her shows, she never really tries to communicate with the fans. im talking about fan participation. maybe shes just really into the music and focused on giving the best possible show. im not sure but i have definetly felt a lack of connectedness from her.... and now my personal trauma.... i went to one of patty's concerts and somehow managed to get backstage. i tracked her down and when she turned around to look at me, i totally started freaking out and shaking. when she walked up to me, the only thing i could think to say was "i love you patty. can i have a hug?" she looked at me like i was crazy and hesitantly shook my hand before walking away. i was sooooooo overwhelmingly embarrassed. it still makes me blush. but the more i think about it i wonder, why didnt she just give me a hug. i was a fan who was obviously nervous and totally excited to meet her. she could of at least smiled at me and said i was funny or something... i dunno. i still love patty and i think shes awesome, but possibly a little snobby??? just food for thought........... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:02:23 -0400 From: Subject: MM: please take me off this list ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:57:34 EDT From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Let me off! [NPC] There are clear instructions on how to get off these lists when you sign up. Mass mailing the entire list, 99.999999999% of which have absolutely no power to take you off is NOT THE WAY! LOL Dave In a message dated 9/7/2005 7:59:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mooodeee@aol.com writes: And there droppin' like FLIES! ::blzzlzlp:: Mimi (LMAO) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:11:48 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: How to unsubscribe from a Mad-Mission mailing list To maybe stem the tide of ludicrousness of people emailing the list asking off instead of the list manager (who's posted a few times in the last 24 hours) or (God forbid) doing it right, this is the form-email/reply I have to send to people who do it wrong or email the list etc. Mike _____________________________________________________ Before you unsubscribe, please note there IS a news only version of the Patty Griffin mailing list. Very few posts, no discussion, just news about Patty. (tour info, magazine articles etc) Details at the end of this email. Howdy, I'm Mike and I manage the Mad-Mission mailing list. Very recently, you expressed a desire either to the list or someone that you wish to unsubscribe. 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Maybe 2 posts a month. * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL and/or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:31:40 -0400 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: Re: MM: Let me off! [NPC] No wait! I'll do it. Ala kazam! Now they're off the list. It' s a good thing they used the mass mailing system instead of the proper "unsubscribe" way. Otherwise my magical powers would get rusty. Excuse me while I go sacrifice some goats. And then off to MUG NIGHT!!! The Guinness, it be flowin. Peace love and vegetable rights. Paul ************************************* * * You can stop masterbating vigorously, * by the way. * * -- Paul Russell (me!) * Long story, you don't want to know * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:54:20 -0400 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: Re: NPG: MM: song request issue Kim, Thanks for the input. I'll admit I fly off the handle every now and then. I don't mean to cause debates. I like to play the devil's advocate, but I will acknowledge good feedback that counters what I have to say. However, when people just use their emails to try to make me look like an ass; well, then I throw off the gloves. I don't need anyone's help to look like an ass. I'm very good at that already. Trust me. Peace love and vegetable rights, Paul PS- does it bother anyone else that I spelled "masturbate" wrong on my quote below? There is someone (a fellow MMer) who is going absolute bezerker on me because 1- I misspelled it. 2- I won't correct it. 3- I have the mere word "masterbation" in my signature that gets sent off every time I send an email. ************************************* * * You can stop masterbating vigorously, * by the way. * * -- Paul Russell (me!) * Long story, you don't want to know * ************************************* - ----Original Message Follows---- From: kaycee973@aol.com To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPG: MM: song request issue Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:42:04 -0400 Paul, Very Very funny and Very Very True. "the last time I brought up that Patty should be a little nicer (which I believe was either 1999 or 1998) it wasn't like I dropped a bomb. I got a few nods and a few disagreements. Now it's as if I told a bunch of followers at a revival that Jesus Christ didn't exist. About like two months ago I remember someone complained that the Patty Griffin concert sucked. You would have thought he walked into a Republican convention with a "Down with Bush" T-shirt on (an acquaintance of mine did something similar by the way, and he got arrested). I didn't really like reading the post, but then I couldn't believe that someone responded something to the fact that "well, if you think Patty Griffin's concert sucked, you suck and should leave the list." Alot of the time, you get flamed on here for having an opinion that differs from the list. I have a big mouth and have learned its better to keep it shut here then to start a dogfight. You simply cant have and express an opinion without being at the ready to defend it with all your might if it should differ from the group...and I really dont have time to do that. I enjoy the discussions, but these arent really discussions.. more like debates .. which is ok (sometimes), but not for everyone. ~Kim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:22:37 -0400 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: RE: MM: song request issue Emma, It could have been an off night for her or something. I know she's a little shy. I'm pretty sure she used to give hugs to fans...I think I've even seen pictures. But it could also be more of the possibility I was talking about that she's a getting little snobby. I mean, we truly won't know. But if we can all exchange experiences we might be able to identify better which she leans toward. She is definitely a mystery. I say she doesn't like her fans as much as is perceived to be. I think Hughes feels that she's really soulful and perhaps (as you said as well), she feels her music coming through herself so much that she could be only slightly even aware that anything else is happening. That would, indeed, make her seem indifferent to her fans. Anyway, That's sooo cool you got to go backstage!! Holy crap!! When I saw her with Emmylou Harris it was absolutely amazing. And I was back in row gazillion. It didn't matter. Pure ecstasy. Peace love and vegetable rights, Paul ************************************* * * You can stop masterbating vigorously, * by the way. * * -- Paul Russell (me!) * Long story, you don't want to know * ************************************* - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "emma rodrigues" To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: song request issue Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:11:37 -0700 i agree with everyones ideas on song requests. sometimes artists dont want to for their own reasons and that is understandable....... but..... i must admit that patty is a little stand offishwith her fans. (not that i love her any less) :) from what ive seen of her shows, she never really tries to communicate with the fans. im talking about fan participation. maybe shes just really into the music and focused on giving the best possible show. im not sure but i have definetly felt a lack of connectedness from her.... and now my personal trauma.... i went to one of patty's concerts and somehow managed to get backstage. i tracked her down and when she turned around to look at me, i totally started freaking out and shaking. when she walked up to me, the only thing i could think to say was "i love you patty. can i have a hug?" she looked at me like i was crazy and hesitantly shook my hand before walking away. i was sooooooo overwhelmingly embarrassed. it still makes me blush. but the more i think about it i wonder, why didnt she just give me a hug. i was a fan who was obviously nervous and totally excited to meet her. she could of at least smiled at me and said i was funny or something... i dunno. i still love patty and i think shes awesome, but possibly a little snobby??? just food for thought........... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:46:57 -0400 From: Lance Macdonald Subject: Re: NPG: MM: song request issue Hey Kim, why don't you just go and get married or somethin' and stop tellin' us all wot to do!!!! love, uncle lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 23:03:39 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Qualls" Subject: RE: MM: song request issue All, I'll just weigh in with my own brief personal experience with Patty at the May concert at the Cat's Cradle in Carrboro (I think the Cradle was the only "dive" she hit on the whole tour, and she told the audience she specifically asked her tour manager if she could go there because she had such good memories from the Cradle from earlier in her career when she played there several times). I waited around a LONG time after the show was over to see if I could get Patty to sign my Living With Ghosts CD booklet. Some people who were also waiting said that Patty had the reputation of being shy when confronted with large groups of her fans, so she tended to wait a while before coming out to her bus, to let the crowd thin out a bit. But her people did pass out free Patty posters to those of us diehards who hung around. When she finally came out, she was very sweet, and yes, a little shy. She signed both my CD booklet and the poster (which I have framed and hanging in my living room). She was nice enough to let me babble on for a minute or two about how much certain songs of hers have meant to me at key times in my life. She seemed touched by what I said, and was very gracious. So, I don't think she's snobby at all. But that's just me, based on one experience. Others may have differing experiences. Jeff At 10:22 PM 9/7/2005 -0400, Paul Russell wrote: >Emma, > >It could have been an off night for her or something. I know she's a >little shy. I'm pretty sure she used to give hugs to fans...I think I've >even seen pictures. But it could also be more of the possibility I was >talking about that she's a getting little snobby. > >I mean, we truly won't know. But if we can all exchange experiences we >might be able to identify better which she leans toward. She is >definitely a mystery. > >I say she doesn't like her fans as much as is perceived to be. I think >Hughes feels that she's really soulful and perhaps (as you said as well), >she feels her music coming through herself so much that she could be only >slightly even aware that anything else is happening. That would, indeed, >make her seem indifferent to her fans. Anyway, > >That's sooo cool you got to go backstage!! Holy crap!! > >When I saw her with Emmylou Harris it was absolutely amazing. And I was >back in row gazillion. It didn't matter. Pure ecstasy. > >Peace love and vegetable rights, > >Paul > > > >************************************* >* >* You can stop masterbating vigorously, >* by the way. >* >* -- Paul Russell (me!) >* Long story, you don't want to know >* >************************************* > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "emma rodrigues" >To: mad-mission@smoe.org >Subject: MM: song request issue >Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:11:37 -0700 > >i agree with everyones ideas on song requests. sometimes artists dont want >to for their own reasons and that is understandable....... but..... i must >admit that patty is a little stand offishwith her fans. (not that i love >her any less) :) from what ive seen of her shows, she never really tries >to communicate with the fans. im talking about fan participation. maybe >shes just really into the music and focused on giving the best possible >show. im not sure but i have definetly felt a lack of connectedness from >her.... >and now my personal trauma.... >i went to one of patty's concerts and somehow managed to get backstage. i >tracked her down and when she turned around to look at me, i totally >started freaking out and shaking. when she walked up to me, the only thing >i could think to say was "i love you patty. can i have a hug?" she looked >at me like i was crazy and hesitantly shook my hand before walking away. i >was sooooooo overwhelmingly embarrassed. it still makes me blush. but the >more i think about it i wonder, why didnt she just give me a hug. i was a >fan who was obviously nervous and totally excited to meet her. she could >of at least smiled at me and said i was funny or something... i dunno. i >still love patty and i think shes awesome, but possibly a little snobby??? >just food for thought........... > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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