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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Wednesday, September 7 2005 Volume 09 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: please take me off list.. [Glennis McMurray ] MM: to request or not to request [sharon G ] MM: please take me off the list ["amanda *" ] MM: Woo hoo! ["McGuire, John" ] MM: Please take me off the list [] RE: MM: song request issue [SteveD ] MM: Let me off! [Sherry Chaudoin ] MM: please take me off [Sarah Ramowski ] NPG: MM: song request issue ["Paul Russell" ] Re: NPG: MM: song request issue [kaycee973@aol.com] Re: MM: Let me off! [NPC] [Mooodeee@aol.com] MM: RE: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) ["emma rodrigues" Subject: Re: MM: please take me off list.. take me off as well. thank you. Jessica Jones wrote:Please take me off too. >>> 9/6/2005 5:53:09 PM >>> thank you www.glennismcmurray.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:50:59 -0400 From: Jon Buttrick Subject: Re: MM: song request issue you're not pointing out anything obvious, because it's only obvious to you. some of her fans like it when her band is loud. and i have in fact seen her do a request. so there's that. On 9/7/05, Paul Russell wrote: > > **********making up for evil gary a bit here while I'm sober and feeling > prickish********** > > oh boo hoo! > > My name is Patty Griffin and I can't remember songs even though I've only > released a half dozen albums (fewer actually)! > > Give me a break, genius. > > You two are retarded. What are you saying? That women can't remember songs > but men can or something? Well, if a band that makes money playing songs > for a living can't remember their own material, that's sort of being a > hack > performer. AC/DC plays songs from like 30 years ago and Scott isn't even > playing with them anymore (yes, the songs are simple and usually the same > chords, that's not my point). It's not like Patty is waiting tables or an > air traffic controller during the day or something. She eats and breathes > music now. Do you know how boring it can be driving from place to place? > Plenty of time to say "you know what? Why don't I play "yadda yadda" > tonight > while y'all are re-tuning for "yadda part II?" > > > I don't request songs (unless I know them and they are my friends). I > don't > really care otherwise. I'm pointing out my observations being on this > list. > However, you are just "covering" for a musician you don't even know? > > Oh yeah I know. "I've met her and she's really sweet." Jesus, that's > exactly what people say about meeting former President Clinton (I kid you > not, I've read two editorials with that exact wording about how sweet he > is, > one in 1995 at ASU and one in 1997 at BU). When's the last time you spoke > with her on a telephone? She just calls you up and says "Oh hi Steve. Man, > this tour is killing me. All these requests. What do they think I am? Oh > I've got to call John McGuire next; he's on my speed dial." > > So you're telling me that if her name was Billy Joel or Elton John or > Bruce > Springsteen or Jackson Browne, then she'd have to know quite a few more > songs, because they certainly have more songs under their belt. David > Bowie > had a special tour to retire old songs so he wouldn't have to play them > anymore. Does Patty Griffin have that many songs? Maybe she should do a > retire tour. > > Oh, these fans with their requests. Why don't they shut up already? Just > give me your money to see me play, then leave. That's pretty rude to me. > Yes, she rudely doesn't take requests. Saying things like: > > "I'm sorry, I would have to re-tune my guitar for that one and it would > take > up too much time from the regular set" or > > "I would need to practice that one a few times before I feel comfortable > playing it again" or even > > "that song doesn't keep up with the mood for the rest of the set" are all > nice responses to disruptive fans shouting out stupid requests. Simply > plodding up to the mic and saying "I don't do requests" is rude. > > As you recall, I didn't say she should have every song she ever wrote > memorized. I said she should have about two songs she knows her hardcore > fans like on hand. Then if that song is requested, she could play it. And > viola, she is playing a request without playing a request. > > I'm sorry, but she's still on my "doesn't like her fans" list: > A) She knows her hardcore fans think her band is too loud and drown her > out....and she does nothing > B) She flat out refuses to take requests, even before a show > C) Next she would need to actually spit on her fans to secure her place up > at the top of the list. > > There's nothing wrong about not liking your fans. I like a few artists who > don't like fans at all. The music is still great. Patty Griffin is no > exception because she's an awesome singer/songwriter. I'm just pointing > out > what is obvious. Some fans on this list just don't see the forest from the > trees. They surround themselves with the good and jump on anyone who says > anything they perceive to be bad about Patty Griffin. I love Patty > Griffin. > There's nothing bad about not liking your fans, some musicians like fans > and some musicians don't. > > Enraptured by her voice since 1997? Yes, I am. > > Going to her shows and not request something? Of course I go and won't > request any songs. I'll be too drunk to even speak. > > Noticing that her actions are not as sweet and nice as everyone says? You > bet. > > Maybe if she truly is as sweet and kind and caring as everyone says, then > she'll work harder to improve customer service. Because when it boils down > to the pot, fans are customers. > > Now, I'll go see how well wine actually keeps overnight and get drinking. > > Peace love and vegetable rights, > > Paul > > > > > > ************************************* > * > * You can stop masterbating vigorously, > * by the way. > * > * -- Paul Russell (me!) > * Long story, you don't want to know > * > ************************************* > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: SteveD > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: song request issue > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:31:57 -0700 (PDT) > > I think John McGuire answered this correctly (and he would know) but I'd > just like to add that when you have a song bag with potentially 100+ > songs, > it is nearly impossible to have them all practiced up to the point where > you > can do them justice, just in case you get a request. Those of you who have > performed regularly know this fact all too well. > > Also, Patty is the least likely artist to be rude. She is the sweetest, > kindest artist I've even met. The original complainer smacks of a troll. > We > all should just be grateful that Patty is out there doing the quality work > that she does. > -SteveD > > quote:"What the heck gives with Patty anyway? She rudely doesn't take > requests." > > > > --------------------------------- > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:37:08 -0400 From: sharon G Subject: MM: to request or not to request From my experience MOST requests are standards that are in the setlist anyway. Fans that yell out songs generally want to hear the ones that are the best known.. There are some artists who don't remember songs, cant play them on the brand of guitar that they are using, don't remember the words, aren't gonna stumble or have another song in mind. Its interesting when I read posts that talking about performers on stage for the ones who pay the tickets.. They need the ticketholders but are not beholding to them. Buying a ticket doesn't reserve you anything but a spot or seat at the show.. It doesn't give you the right to hear the song that you want to hear or to cat call the performer or to yell for your song. Its not a two way conversation unless the artist asks for it.. I have seen artists who don't have set lists and others that are strict about it I have seen Loretta Lynn take an all request show and I have seen Dar Wiliams with 3 songs on her 17 song setlist, both artists were comfortable enough with the requests or saying NO to requests that they could not meet. Some artists DON'T LIKE TO SAY NO. some are working on new material some Like the structure of knowing what they going to play Some have a headache and don't want to work that hard, that night. Some want to got home or have had a hard day... I don't request unless I am asked Sharon G ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:38:12 -0500 From: "amanda *" Subject: MM: please take me off the list thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:48:17 -0500 From: "McGuire, John" Subject: MM: Woo hoo! This is the most my name has been tossed about in a long long time!!! :P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:15:13 -0700 From: Subject: MM: Please take me off the list Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: SteveD Subject: RE: MM: song request issue Troll. I'm not gonna play your hostility game. Bye bye. >Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:37:30 -0400 >From: "Paul Russell" >Subject: RE: MM: song request issue > >**********making up for evil gary a bit here while I'm sober and feeling >prickish********** > >oh boo hoo! > >My name is Patty Griffin and I can't remember songs even though I've only >released a half dozen albums (fewer actually)! > >Give me a break, genius. > >You two are retarded. - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:18:06 -0400 From: Sherry Chaudoin Subject: MM: Let me off! I picked the wrong time to join this list. > Sherry Chaudoin Director/Broadcast and Print Production Paul Schultz 427 South Fourth Street Suite 301 Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502.587.2961 office 502.587.2911 fax 502.299.8967 mobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:52:19 -0700 From: Sarah Ramowski Subject: MM: please take me off ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:38:24 -0400 From: "Paul Russell" Subject: NPG: MM: song request issue Cool! I'm a "troll." I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds like something to do with being short and stocky, and keeping damsels in distress. I can handle that. I'll have to take distress off first though. So I can keep the damsels in it. Because, you know, that's what trolls do. Or they keep you from crossing bridges. But that's boring. I'm definitely a damsel troll. How come the only reasoned replies I got regarding my observations were from Jon, Sharon, John (I'm affraid you're getting mentioned again), and Hughes (minus his last post of which I didn't really understand)? What's with the touchy feely people? I'm putting conversation out there, and it has to do with Patty Griffin. Sure, I called someone a retard, but I didn't start the name calling, he did. Plus, he was basically telling me that I didn't have a right to my opinion. And how come there are so many people on this list that don't follow directions? You want to know how to take your name off the list? Here's what you do instead of sending your request to everyone on the list: - ------------- If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to : unsubscribe Or you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe mad-mission - ------------ That said, what gives yo?? Man, the last time I brought up that Patty should be a little nicer (which I believe was either 1999 or 1998) it wasn't like I dropped a bomb. I got a few nods and a few disagreements. Now it's as if I told a bunch of followers at a revival that Jesus Christ didn't exist. About like two months ago I remember someone complained that the Patty Griffin concert sucked. You would have thought he walked into a Republican convention with a "Down with Bush" T-shirt on (an acquaintance of mine did something similar by the way, and he got arrested). I didn't really like reading the post, but then I couldn't believe that someone responded something to the fact that "well, if you think Patty Griffin's concert sucked, you suck and should leave the list." I had thought that since I was on this list in the 90s that things would change when I re-joined, but I had thought it would be Patty changing and not the conservativeness of the group. I had actually thought that once she became the main act that the sound "would get better" for most on this list who thought she was too loud with the band. I'm not a folk person, and most of the music I listen to you have to know the lyrics beforehand or else you won't know what they are screaming; but I can definitely see the folk point of view. I like her that way too. At the time we were blaming it on the Late Show audio, or that she was the opening act and the sound board is set for the main act. From the concert posts, it sounds like the sound is still too much band and not enough Patty (for some people). So, basically the sound is the same as its always been. And thank you for letting me know that she has actually taken a request recently. That's helpful to know. Maybe she's getting nicer than my current perception of her is. Peace love and vegetable rights, Paul ************************************* * * You can stop masterbating vigorously, * by the way. * * -- Paul Russell (me!) * Long story, you don't want to know * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 19:42:04 -0400 From: kaycee973@aol.com Subject: Re: NPG: MM: song request issue Paul, Very Very funny and Very Very True. "the last time I brought up that Patty should be a little nicer (which I believe was either 1999 or 1998) it wasn't like I dropped a bomb. I got a few nods and a few disagreements. Now it's as if I told a bunch of followers at a revival that Jesus Christ didn't exist. About like two months ago I remember someone complained that the Patty Griffin concert sucked. You would have thought he walked into a Republican convention with a "Down with Bush" T-shirt on (an acquaintance of mine did something similar by the way, and he got arrested). I didn't really like reading the post, but then I couldn't believe that someone responded something to the fact that "well, if you think Patty Griffin's concert sucked, you suck and should leave the list." Alot of the time, you get flamed on here for having an opinion that differs from the list. I have a big mouth and have learned its better to keep it shut here then to start a dogfight. You simply cant have and express an opinion without being at the ready to defend it with all your might if it should differ from the group...and I really dont have time to do that. I enjoy the discussions, but these arent really discussions.. more like debates .. which is ok (sometimes), but not for everyone. ~Kim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:48:52 EDT From: Mooodeee@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Let me off! [NPC] And there droppin' like FLIES! ::blzzlzlp:: Mimi (LMAO) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:50:55 -0700 From: "emma rodrigues" Subject: MM: RE: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) >From: postmaster@mail.hotmail.com >To: guitargirl1984@hotmail.com >Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:58:28 -0700 > >This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. > >Delivery to the following recipients failed. > > madmission@smoe.org >From: "emma rodrigues" >To: mad-mission@smoe.com >Subject: RE: MM: Patty / requests >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:57:16 -0700 > >i agree with everyones ideas on song requests. sometimes artists dont want >to for their own reasons and that is understandable....... but..... i must >admit that patty is a little stand offishwith her fans. (not that i love >her any less) :) from what ive seen of her shows, she never really tries to >communicate with the fans. im talking about fan participation. maybe shes >just really into the music and focused on giving the best possible show. im >not sure but i have definetly felt a lack of connectedness from her.... >and now my personal trauma.... >i went to one of patty's concerts and somehow managed to get backstage. i >tracked her down and when she turned around to look at me, i totally >started freaking out and shaking. when she walked up to me, the only thing >i could think to say was "i love you patty. can i have a hug?" she looked >at me like i was crazy and hesitantly shook my hand before walking away. i >was sooooooo overwhelmingly embarrassed. it still makes me blush. but the >more i think about it i wonder, why didnt she just give me a hug. i was a >fan who was obviously nervous and totally excited to meet her. she could of >at least smiled at me and said i was funny or something... i dunno. i still >love patty and i think shes awesome, but possibly a little snobby??? just >food for thought........... > >>From: "hugues" >>To: "Bruce Greenberg" , >>Subject: MM: Patty / requests >>Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:31:16 +0200 >> >> > But I when I made >> > a pre-request for her show in L.A. (which was just a few weeks away) >>she >> > was very upfront about not playing the song I wanted. Not everyone can >> > be a Shawn Colvin or Jill Sobule (who always play requests during their >> > shows). >> > >> > Bruce >> >>Well, artists like Jill Sobule or Amy Rigby and others often ask requests >>because they often don't know what to sing next!... >> >>They sing with soul, though. They know how to sing the songs they wrote >>with >>the right feelings. The difference with Patty may be that Patty adds an >>important performing dimension to the songs she wrote. Jill Sobule or Amy >>Rigby are songwriters first, and offer their songs the way they can, with >>their personal charm and wit. Patty isn't only a songwriter, she's also a >>performer of a higher range. >> >>That said, Patty could remind herself that the great Billie Holiday did >>requests... but we live in modern times with better human rights as well! >> >>I said "better", not "perfect"............(censored!) >> >>Hugues > >_________________________________________________________________ >Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V9 #165 *********************************