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Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Thursday, May 13 2004 Volume 08 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MM: Impossible Dream ["Paul Mepschen" ] MM: No Profanity Here I Swear [MikeBrns4U@aol.com] MM: Re: Seattle show?? [Steve Berry ] RE: MM: No Profanity Here I Swear ["Dennis Flynn" ] RE: MM: No Profanity Here I Swear ["Bonnie Lombard" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:58:27 +0200 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: MM: Impossible Dream Hey all, A link to an article in the Boston Globe (I think?) was posted a couple of digests before, but I deleted it. Anyone still have it? Please forward it to me. I must say that I am very impressed by the new album - I think even more so than with 1000 Kisses or the live album, right now. I haven't been listening to Patty for a long time -- I started really listening after I heard 'A Kiss In Time' a while ago -- it was on while I was working on a paper when suddenly the terrible terrible sadness of these songs (and patty's voice) hit me, hard. Now, I'm a sucker for that kind of sadness -- I'm not a depressed person, because there's refuge in a little irony towards your own being in the world, but I do generally think the world is a pretty sad place, and I'm glad some people are actually acknowledging it and find ways of translating suffering, despair, sadness into words and songs. That's why that guy in People Magazine was so wrong - yes ID is a very sad album, but hey -- it's a f*cked up world (and I don't mean politically perse, allthough also politically.) My favorite songs are 'When it don't come easy' and 'Florida', but Kite Song and Useless Desires are close in line. I love love love this line: "Little sister just remember, as you wonder through the blue, The little kite that you send flying, one Sunday afternoon, Made of something light as nothing, Made of joy that mattters too, How the little dreams we dream, Are all we can really do. " Made of something light as nothing -- wow, that's just so beyond words. That's really great poetic imagination. And, yes, there's some reason for a little hope. However, as these lines exemplify, there's also a lot of reason for a little more contemplation (if not despair): "Isn't it hard sometimes, Isn't it lonely, How I still hang around here, And there's nothing to hold me." Anyway, I don't wanne depress anyone. No tears, Paul of the Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:06:22 EDT From: MikeBrns4U@aol.com Subject: MM: No Profanity Here I Swear Subj: RE: MM: Patty Griffin returns to Boston Date: 5/10/04 11:44:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: starwheel100@hotmail.com To: MikeBrns4U@aol.com, mad-mission@smoe.org Sent from the Internet (Details) Nice review. But as a newbie I may not "get" the humor here, but is the profanity really necessary or is it purely used for shock value? >> Dear Starwheel and Mad Missionaries, This reply is addressed to Starwheel individually, as well as the group, because Starwheel shared with both me individually as well as the group. Like you, Starwheel 100, I'm a newbie myself, a no good do-bee at that, as Miss Jean used to call me back in Romper Room, otherwise known as Kinder "Gentler" Garden, when she made me stay me all day under the piano. So don't take my un-gettable un-edible regrettable forgettable humor as being representative of the group. I have been banned from here and there before and will again, right now, in fact. MM members see my email byline coming a mile away and can always choose to lose me by deleting. But sincere thanks to you, "Wish Upon A" 100 Starwheels, for the compliment on the review. You are the only one who did compliment me on it and I do indeed appreciate it. You're too kind. Now let's get down to profanity. Mr. Prosecutor. - -- Thanks, Mike. Romper! Bomper! Stomper-Boo! Tell me! Tell me! Tell Me-do! Mikey, is the profanity REALLY necessary? What do you have to say for yourself, young man? Cat gut your tongue? Or is it used just for shock value? Your father, Armand "Arm & Hammer" Burns, even though he cursed all the time, didn't he righteously beat you as a child for doing so? And your mother, Maria Anita "No More" Burns, who showed proper respect by never interrupting your father's regular daily schedule of beatings and cursings, didn't she still try to teach you right from wrong by washing your mouth out with soap for swearing? And while in Catholic grammar school, Our Lady's Comforter of the Afflicted no less (talk about your actual, real funny names club), Mickey Mouse weren't you picked on just about everyday for 8 years by nearly all the other boys in your grade, and on at least one occasion, even by ALL of them at once, and wasn't that all because your big mouth wouldn't back down? And when Matthew "Condom" Condon clapped that chalky eraser all across your back in 8th grade class, didn't your oh so sweet lay teacher, Miss "I wish She Was My Her" Maher, didn't she send you alone to the principal's office because you responded with a rude word? At your place of employ no less than two years ago, after being yelled at and followed and cornered by a fellow worker, Mark Philips "Screwhead," instead of keeping your trap shut Michael, did you not instead fall into that same trap by saying a curse word under your breath for which you were then duly served a written warning? And now here and now, in Mad Mission land, where everything is 1000 Big Red Kissy & Impossible Dreamy Lovey-Dovey All The Time, is not your flaming filth and fury unappreciated? Particularly when you're talking about the good ol' USA, Land of My Pilgrim's Pride, Land of Indian Genocide and Black Slavery? Why Let's Support The Troops and He's Still Our President, while we're Under Mom's Thumb and Apple Pope Pie? Have you no respect for your fellow countrymen at least, still trying in vain to recover from the deep scars caused from the unholy sight of Janet Jackson's lass garment of malfunction? Is not the government and its radio mockingbird, the conglomerate monopoly "Let Me Make This Perfectly" Clear Channel, are they not justified in kicking Howard's "End" Stern right off the air for his coarse language and practices? Was not Sinclair "Sins of Clarity" Broadcasting right in dropping Nightline's "Frightline" when it dared to air the names of all the dead US soldiers in Iraq? Have these people no shame and secrecy? Is the president not prudent to take the press to task for publishing the photos of Iraqi prisoners tortured at the hands of our troops? Is the president not sincere in saying that his Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is doing a "superb" job even though he was only able to keep these abuses hidden for a few months? By insisting there is no clean and safe environment for gay marriage and abortion, is the president not righteous in declaring himself "the human rights president," in fact, "the most superb human rights president ever?" And the other Mad Missionaries, as you insist on calling them -- even though it appears it is they who are quite sane and reasonable, while it is in fact you who are the Mad Hatter, as your crazy and angry, "shock and awe" full of it tactics do attest -- have you seen these All Good People use bad language? Does Patty Griffin herself resort to monstrous profanity on her albums? No. And why is that, Mr. Mike Burns? - -- Beats me. - -- The Prosecution gives up... Mad Magic Mirror tell me today Did all my Missionary Friends have fun at play? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Berry Subject: MM: Re: Seattle show?? Jess wrote: "What zoo show in Seattle? I looked around the web and don't see it listed anywhere on Patty's sites or on http://www.zoo.org/special_events/zoo_tunes/tunes.html. Are you sure about this?" Ooops! I read somewhere that the Emmylou/Patty Griffin show would come to Seattle, but I no longer know where. They will be at the zoo in Portland, though! - -- SteveB PS -- that Boston Globe article was very interesting, especially the part about Patty's first (shelved) album being produced by Nile Rogers. I'd really like to hear that someday! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:59:15 -0400 From: "Dennis Flynn" Subject: RE: MM: No Profanity Here I Swear Very creative response. You presume to draw up in your imagination a "Mr. Prosecutor" when asked a simple question. Was the profanity necessary? Based upon the rant below, no it wasn't. But I admire your profanity-free audacity in this response. And it seems the nature of your prior email as well as this one was to garner a reaction. As much as you are not ashamed of the state of mind you express in your emails, nor am I ashamed of my responses to yours, fellow newbie. And the two of us get to entertain the "1000 Big Red Kissy & Impossible Dreamy Lovey-Dovey All The Time" readers in this forum with our own sweet exchange. Your angry at the world, I get it. And it sounds like you had a relatively difficult life and got picked on and punished by other kids and nuns, whatever, blah-blah-blah. Cry me a river. You think bad things only happen to you? You want to call me a hypocrite, be my guest. Yes, I yell "s**t" when I stump my toe and call other drivers "a**holes" when they cut me off in traffic. That's not the point, Mr. Burns. We all have the right to curse. But we also have the right to be offended, much as you have been by the things you describe in your rant. And yes, there are worse things in the world than cursing. So what? That's just an excuse. Like all choices, cursing has a time and a place. It can be therapeutic and it can also be quite effective to get your point across. But it also also requires a little self-control. If you can't exercise any self-control then don't presume you are any different than the people you criticize in your rant. So the next time you feel the urge to tell me and the rest of this group about how you f****d Peaches, get a grip. You may as well be slapping an eraser to the back of our heads. Now back to my smoke-free happy place. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:45:59 -0700 From: "Roy Larsen" Subject: RE: MM: Re: Seattle show?? Ok, reading the message carefully this time as not to get my zoos mixed up...... :o) If you haven't heard the news, Patty will be coming to the PNW with the Impossible Dream Tour!!! Portland - Aladdin: 6/20 Seattle - Moore Theater: 6/21 also S.F. - Fillmore: 6/18 LA - Ford Theater 6/17 Roy - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Steve Berry To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Re: Seattle show?? Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Jess wrote: "What zoo show in Seattle? I looked around the web and don't see it listed anywhere on Patty's sites or on http://www.zoo.org/special_events/zoo_tunes/tunes.html. Are you sure about this?" Ooops! I read somewhere that the Emmylou/Patty Griffin show would come to Seattle, but I no longer know where. They will be at the zoo in Portland, though! - -- SteveB PS -- that Boston Globe article was very interesting, especially the part about Patty's first (shelved) album being produced by Nile Rogers. I'd really like to hear that someday! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:18:00 -0400 From: "Bonnie Lombard" Subject: RE: MM: No Profanity Here I Swear Thank you Dennis. You've eloquently expressed an opinion held by many on this list. I've worked with a wild bunch of steelworkers for a couple of years and got used to the profanity that punctuated all that was said, but admired those few that got their message across without the expletives. That being said, I still prefer that Mike (or whoever) rants in whatever way he/she chooses. I like the passion and enthusiam and originality that Mike brings to the list. I appreciate his sense of humor. He has an intelligence and a flair for expressing it that is unmatched! I just arrived home from seeing Patty is Pittsburgh. Too wonderful for words. Maybe Mike could conjure up a couple? From: "Dennis Flynn" To: MikeBrns4U@aol.com, mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: RE: MM: No Profanity Here I Swear Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:59:15 -0400 Like all choices, cursing has a time and a place. It can be therapeutic and it can also be quite effective to get your point across. But it also also requires a little self-control. If you can't exercise any self-control then don't presume you are any different than the people you criticize in your rant. ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V8 #119 *********************************