From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V8 #43 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcertDB.php * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V8 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. * Also, PLEASE do not quote an entire digest when you reply to the * list. Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Sunday, February 29 2004 Volume 08 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Politics and Art ["hugues" ] MM: Dana's Holy Grail ["Scott Zimmerman" ] MM: RE: mad-mission-digest V8 #42 ["Steve Del" ] MM: Re: Hello... [Rongrittz@aol.com] MM: That song mentioned earlier...NPC ["Scott Zimmerman" ] Re: MM: Politics and Art ["Don Henn" ] MM: Fw: Suddenly I feel old ["Don Henn" ] MM: music, politics and more [sharon G ] Re: MM: Politics and Art ["Bonnie Lombard" ] MM: On to happier topics...like Patty's tour! ["Becca Jarry" Subject: Re: MM: Politics and Art > After thinking about this for a while I did realize that most folk music > is pretty political....I mean my first introduction to folk was Joan > Baez and Bob Dylan. All of the folk artists I listen to mix politics > with their music. And when you think of it, most young folk artists > today were probably heavily influenced by the music of the 60's. Folk artists and artists in general are sensitive, pacifist, human individuals. If they are against war and inegalities, this is not a coincidence. And this is far from any cliche, they've been giving a message over centuries now, writers, musicians and painters, or songwriters. This is not a stupid tradition. This is human. Some people say politics and art are different things - that politics are realistic and that art is dream. I disagree with this point. I say: politics should be more human, and definitely forget about patriotism. Hugues ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 01:00:02 -0600 From: "Scott Zimmerman" Subject: MM: Dana's Holy Grail Dana , Dana! Theres not much about your Holy Grail Mad Mission I could say, except Sign Me Up! Haha! Someday, somehow somewhere, (sorry, about went Westside on y'all) then...One of us will uncover that gold, pull the sword from the stone, raise the sunken chest, & find that grail! , There's a knighthood in the MM realm for the Lord or Lady who's quest comes nigh to that hallowed cup. Ooh the drama of it all! But wilst that noble soul share the glory with us all, or deem it a solumn duty to hide the object of conquest, and treasure it in secret? An event forseen and forlorned by many, and perhaps committed by the few, or the one. OK, back to now...in my head anyway. hehe I have to mention Patty's song "Driving". Last summer I took a long, solo, Night-time roadtrip (400 miles one way) to see Patty & others at the Rocky Mountain Folks Fest, a couple of weeks before flying out for Strawberry. I had only had Silver Bell for about a week so It kept me going through the night. But that song...driving, I swear, everyone should take this song with them on a long moonlight ride. I never, ever wanted that song to end! Love it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:40:27 -0800 From: "Steve Del" Subject: MM: RE: mad-mission-digest V8 #42 This is great... >Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:13:49 -0500 >From: Oldrancocas@aol.com >Subject: MM: Evil G's Politics and Art > >I love politics in my music too. This is why I love Pattys "Big Daddy" >which is an obvious reference to John Kerry hunting down rich women, so he >can have enough money to run for the Big House. LOL! Too funny. OK, so you're not so evil. Then Linda said: >Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:11:36 -0500 (EST) >From: lindee37@webtv.net (Lindee) >Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art >...I know I felt like puking when I >heard this country artist singing this song that pretty much backed up >going to war with Iraq because "don't you remember that September >day"....or something like that. LOL! I'm dying here. too funny again...I puked too. Then Dana in Berkeley said: >Little God and Driving are 2 others that need to come out. And "One More Girl"...and and... >I would love to hear the rest of those Living With Ghosts arrangements with >the band. Me too. Well, now that that's settled. Later, - -Steve _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 02:47:44 EST From: Rongrittz@aol.com Subject: MM: Re: Hello... >> I would especially like to hear her versions of "Top of the World" and "Truth #2", which were, IMHO, butchered by the Dixie Chicks (Sorry to any DC fans out there....I don't mean to offend.) << Wait a second. If you haven't heard Patty's versions of the two songs, how can you possibly have enough of a frame of reference to say that the Dixie Chicks butchered them? RG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 02:49:48 -0600 From: "Scott Zimmerman" Subject: MM: That song mentioned earlier...NPC That's Darryl Worley's song "Have you Forgotton?" Just a note about it... Many, not all, of these recent songs seem more directly related to support of our troops. Yes there are questions for citizens in most war related songs, as it should be. Anyway, I'm proud of the artists that have taken the opportunity to go entertain our troops overseas. The artists like Toby Keith, Darryl Worley, and Aaron Tippin, played for the same troops as did Joan Jett and comedian Al Franken. Back home here, people may think it is staged, everytime they see a soldier at a concert somewhere, given a microphone to request or comment on a war related song. Whichever points the songs seem to be making, those men and women are the ones who deserve our attention. I just happened to catch part of "Grand ole opry live" last night, When a young soldier, once again, was given the opportunity to request his favorite song, in particular, from Darryl Worley who was playing there. Have You Forgotton, was his choice, and singer obliged the soldier. The cameras did pan back to the soldier a couple of times, and he was singing along, as many in the crowd were. What was great, and no question about it, were the peoples' expressions of gratitude toward the soldier. What is really great? Seems our soldiers really will have the respect of many people when they get back home! Something we didn't have, returning from Vietnam. For those who would tell them something like..."Your buddies died, cause your President lied!" Please don't do that! That is disrespectful to the soldier, who is bound by his oath. Whatever you believe, remember the Soldiers don't have a choice. They are fighting a war, regardless of what it is about, or what you think it's about, they're not going to walk away. They are, and have to, remain focused on their jobs. You know, every single day, lives depend on it. Now that the media has backed somewhat away from terrorism and Iraq, except for how it effects the campaigns and elections, it seems more important for individuals to remember, and support, our troops. It's not likely they'll be home for a while, no matter who's elected President next January. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 04:43:48 -0500 From: "Don Henn" Subject: Re: MM: The New Album: A Question I'm pretty sure I recall Patty saying that the "rowing song" is actually titled " Letters From Home" Don > The track list is posted in the forum at pattygriffin.net... > http://www.pattygriffin.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=gener;action=display;num=1075394682 > > But I'll paste it here... > 1 Love Throws a Line > 2 Cold as It Gets > 3 Kite > 4 Standing > 5 Useless Desires > 6 Top of the World > 7 Rowing Song > 8 Don't Come Easy > 9 Florida > 10 Mother of God > 11 Icicles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:15:10 -0500 From: "Don Henn" Subject: Re: MM: Politics and Art MMers , Guess the hibernating is over. I never concerned myself much with the politics in a song , as long as it was great music. After all , it's only one point of view , & one could hardly have a considered point of view w/o having an open mind to others. As with fiction writers , the ones who push their political agenda too much , do so at the expense of their art. Patty's not one of them. Patty has strong anti-war sentiments , but they're general & against all war , not one side or another. At least that's my take. Hope this subject has run it's course , & the sound of axes being ground will now fade. Second only to a warm gun , happiness is a sharp ax. ( been chopping wood for my fireplace lately : ) The vitriol from both ends of the idealogical spectrum is as great a contributor to global discord as is poverty & desperation , possibly moreso , b/c the ones in the best position to address the problems spend all of their energy fighting each other for the power to "do it right " ( our way ). To put my .02 worth in , I find it curious that so many people live in their idyllic illusions while violence & aggression grow , & save their hatred for those who would finally take a stand against it. On to " Impossible Dream " , & a spring Patty tour. You sacrifice and pay your fines To the God of single minds. Patty Griffin "Song for the Eighties" In the battle of time In the battle of will It's only your hope And your heart That gets killed Patty Griffin "Sweet Lorraine" Don ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:28:09 -0500 From: "Don Henn" Subject: MM: Fw: Suddenly I feel old MMers , Forgot to add this to my last post. Don ******************************************** > Hi Don: > > For some reason I can't post to the list. Perhaps you can send it > along to the list if you see fit. > > > Hey Everyone: > > I read Don's post about not traveling a mere 1,500 miles to see Patty > perform for an hour, and suddenly I felt very old. Don, say it ain't true! > I'm going to start scoping out my wheelchair soon, as the end must be near. > > Seriously, though, congrats on the new house. My brother once told me that > if you move and you still haven't unpacked something after a year, throw it > out, give it away, or recycle it. Good advice. > > Jerry Skomer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:40:42 -0500 From: sharon G Subject: MM: music, politics and more I can understand that there are artists who are more political in the live shows than others and others who are more curtailed.. The history of folk music is riddled with politics as the music is.. I happen to agree with the aritsts i listen to.. Recently, I saw Bette Midler who HAS a specific opinion about the state of affairs.. I have friends who come to shows, love the music and see past the politics.. they are NRA members, conservative, etc.. They know what they are going to hear and see... they choose to come or not.. I think that an artist can use the platform that they have to create change.. Some can argue.. Its only about the music... when i go to hear julie miller, i know there will be christian content.. i know she may quote the bible which she has done and express her view of religion and her devotion to G-d.. i happen to love her music so i listen politely and keep listening.. she cant separate her beliefs from her writings... I know what i am paying to see.. as for Dar, she has a group of "fans" who are powerful college students and if she can help them express THeir voice, not necessarily HER voice.. she helps remind them that they have that voice.. except when she openly supports Nader....i'll defend her free speech as i posted early.. mary chapin is more careful about her political views... she gets a lot of email that is contrary.. the organizations she supports are mainstream and important.. Ms carpenter is aware that her music has touched a wide variety of people with a wide variety of beliefs..and she really tries not to alienate them...she is honest in her dismay of the current administration... dont email her... she wont reply if you email her about her political beliefs and She isnt a coward.... best to you all on a sunday... vote on super tuesday if you can.... sharon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:48:53 -0500 From: "Bonnie Lombard" Subject: Re: MM: Politics and Art Donn says: To put my .02 worth in , I find it curious that so many people live in their idyllic illusions while violence & aggression grow , & save their hatred for those who would finally take a stand against it. Bonnie says: Well Said! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:49:54 -0500 From: "Becca Jarry" Subject: MM: On to happier topics...like Patty's tour! Hey MMers, While it's been an interesting few days with the rainstorm of posts, I wanted to digress to the truly important topics such as Patty's tour dates. I noticed Pollstar doesn't list anything other than a TX show but I got a newsletter in the mail the other day. It's from Songstreet Productions and lists a Patty show at the Berklee Performance Center in Boston, MA for May 9th. That's a Sunday thank heaven and show time is 7:30pm. Ticket sale date is TBA but www.songstreetproductions.net will announce the date soon. Or call 617-628-3390 after March 1st for more info. Right now it looks like ticket prices will be 25.50 or 27.50 when they are available. I hope more tour info comes out soon and that she plays a few more shows out here in the East. Just wanted to share the news and I for one will be anxiously waiting to buy tix for this show. Hope to see some MMers there too. Becca _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:03:37 -0500 From: Oldrancocas@aol.com Subject: MM: Lat Evil Gary word on Music/politics I think the guy that sat in front of me at an Ani Difranco concert said it best. After listening to Ani rail about how Abu Jamal was innocent of killing a cop in Philly, he simply stood up, and in this incredible silence yelled at the top of his lungs for all to hear... "Shut the fuck up and sing!" Enough said on this topic. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:11:30 EST From: FlamingRed74@aol.com Subject: Re: MM: Lat Evil Gary word on Music/politics After some consideration, I have to agree with EG on this one. At first I said that I wish artists would leave the subject of politics out of their music. After some thought, what annoys me is not when artists actually sing about it, but when they won't stop talking about it in between songs at shows. It's funny also, that someone said Don made them feel old. LOL Don makes ME feel old at times, and I think I'm a good 30 years younger than he is. :-) Dave In a message dated 02/29/2004 10:07:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Oldrancocas@aol.com writes: I think the guy that sat in front of me at an Ani Difranco concert said it best. After listening to Ani rail about how Abu Jamal was innocent of killing a cop in Philly, he simply stood up, and in this incredible silence yelled at the top of his lungs for all to hear... "Shut the fuck up and sing!" Enough said on this topic. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:29:35 -0500 From: "Jim Murphy" Subject: MM: RE: On to happier topics...like Patty's tour! If you want up to the date info on Patty's tour dates visit us at www.pattygriffin.net. We list most tour dates within hours of the contracts being signed. Tickets for the Boston show can be obtained also from the Box Office at 617-747-2261 or through Patty's official site http://www.pattygriffintickets.musictoday.com/PattyGriffin/calendar.aspx Murph - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Becca Jarry Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:50 AM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: On to happier topics...like Patty's tour! Hey MMers, While it's been an interesting few days with the rainstorm of posts, I wanted to digress to the truly important topics such as Patty's tour dates. I noticed Pollstar doesn't list anything other than a TX show but I got a newsletter in the mail the other day. It's from Songstreet Productions and lists a Patty show at the Berklee Performance Center in Boston, MA for May 9th. That's a Sunday thank heaven and show time is 7:30pm. Ticket sale date is TBA but www.songstreetproductions.net will announce the date soon. Or call 617-628-3390 after March 1st for more info. Right now it looks like ticket prices will be 25.50 or 27.50 when they are available. I hope more tour info comes out soon and that she plays a few more shows out here in the East. Just wanted to share the news and I for one will be anxiously waiting to buy tix for this show. Hope to see some MMers there too. Becca _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V8 #43 ********************************