From: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org (mad-mission-digest) To: mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Subject: mad-mission-digest V8 #40 Reply-To: mad-mission@smoe.org Sender: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-mad-mission-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * mad-mission-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Patty's tour dates, go to: * http://www.pattygriffin.net/PattyInConcertDB.php * OR * go to http://www.atorecords.com * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: mad-mission-digest V8 #___ gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. * Also, PLEASE do not quote an entire digest when you reply to the * list. Edit out anything you are not referring to. mad-mission-digest Friday, February 27 2004 Volume 08 : Number 040 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MM: Simmer, people!! [Elizabeth_Stephenson@computerhorizons.com] RE: MM: Politics and Art ["Charles Ott" ] MM: new songs ["Sarah =^..^=" ] Re: MM: Politics and Art [Mark ] MM: re: WILL ANY ONE SPILL THE BEANS? [Kaycee973@aol.com] Re: MM: re: WILL ANY ONE SPILL THE BEANS? [Jon Crouse ] RE: MM: re: WILL ANY ONE SPILL THE BEANS? ["Jim Murphy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:21:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth_Stephenson@computerhorizons.com Subject: Re: MM: Simmer, people!! Midgets?? did someone say midgets?? Really, people.. you hibernating patty fans seemed to have awoken on the wrong side of the cave. I listen to music to escape this kind of political newsy chatter. I liked it when you guys talked about Pattys music and how much you like her. I miss that.. now, please, tell us how you heard the song/cd... please!!!???? Liz Carlson Client Services Manager COMPUTER HORIZONS CORP. 973-299-4208 Emily Kite cc: Sent by: Subject: MM: Simmer, people!! owner-mad-mission@smoe.o rg 02/27/2004 12:31 PM Musicians are not here to give us what we want to hear, they're here to express themselves and their place in the world. By a musician leaving out of their material something that meant something to them, whether it be politics or poverty or midgets, because of their audience's feedback, they would not be doing their 'job'. We want an open, raw expression of their minds and hearts, as long as it's not too political? Come on. How about some gratitude for them having the bravery to put it out there, and giving it to us to hear, no matter what the message is? Everyone is free to interpret, but I think we need to bring it back to basics for just a moment: Artists would be artists whether or not the audience was there to applaud (or in this case refuse to go to shows and renounce their devotion). Let's have some respect and gratitude for the fact that we all love an artist who isn't afraid to express herself; Let's remember that we love musicians for their MUSIC, not their messag! e. FEEL THE LOVE! Emily Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:38:06 +0000 From: "Charles Ott" Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art Ira, Chagall is one of my all time favorite artists! That's such a great comparison, I see it and I love it! >From: "Ira Post" >Reply-To: "Ira Post" >To: "mad mission (mad mission)" >Subject: MM: Politics and Art >Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:17:16 -0500 > >As a singer, Patty reminds me most of Marc Chagall - the painter. She seems >to portraying dreams of thoughts rather than the thoughts themselves. > >April, give me a break. You should have been around in the sixties. Valid >artistic expression requires an artist to be open and honest and say what she >or he actually feels. If you want canned music listen to top 40 trash. > >Ira - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:31:44 -0500 From: "Sarah =^..^=" Subject: MM: new songs It seems - amidst all this jibber-jabber of politics and whether or not you like artist being political or not (which i think is asanine, it's THEIR music) - that the question of "where are you folks hearing these songs?" keeps coming up but never gets answered! I've been waiting for the replies to THAT question... sigh. but to no avail. ;) Some of you have even heard the ENTIRE new album!? How were you able to pull THAT off!? Give us the scoop! Are you all in on some private club that lets you hear new Patty tunes early? And for gods' sake - what's wrong with promoting peace and love through music!? TGIF y'all.... Sarah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You're gonna dance to jah music, dance, We're gonna dance to jah music, dance, Forget your troubles and dance, Forget your sorrows and dance, Forget your sickness and dance, Forget your weakness and dance. . ." -- Bob Marley - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Subject: Re: MM: Politics and Art It's kind of ironic that in this time when so many are being dogged for "selling out" we would have anything but nice things to say about those who have not sold out. And who speak their mind...whether we agree or not. If we all respected each other's opinions without taking the opportunity as a chance to personally slam someone, we could enjoy the diversity of those opinions without the fall-out of anger. And....man, wouldn't the world be boring if we all agreed. - -------actually, I probrably would not have caught the "meaning" behind the song if it hadn't been brought up....I don't think I am quite that bright :) Steve Del wrote: The album is not political. One or two songs could be interpreted that way, but so what. I wouldn't even have noticed if it wasn't brought to my attention. Great writers can write what they want. Neil has done it well for years. As long as it's an original thought, and not a regurgitation of of what some partisan lawyers spew on cable TV spin shows, then it's OK by me and probably OK by most of us. And I am pretty sure Patty speaks her own mind...I don't think she even watches cable TV un-news. That said, wait till you hear the album before you all go off half cocked. For those of you who are songwriters, you know you write what comes to you and we can only wish we could write songs as tasteful as Patty. Could we now just enjoy the music and not dissect everything, especially when you haven't even heard it? peace, - -s >- ----Original Message Follows---- >From: [someone] >To: >Subject: MM: Politics and Art >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:51:23 -0800 > >I am so sad to hear that Patty's new album is political. _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ Practice Safe Snacking......Use Condiments. Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:13:33 EST From: Kaycee973@aol.com Subject: MM: re: WILL ANY ONE SPILL THE BEANS? is there anyone out there that is willing to tell us where they were able to hear all these songs?? to say i am green with jealousy is an understatement! ~kim I wish you could see me when I am flying in my dreams.. the way I laugh there way up high.. they way I look, when I fly.... THE WAY I LAUGH ...THE WAY I FLY.... *patty griffin, chief ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:06:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Crouse Subject: Re: MM: re: WILL ANY ONE SPILL THE BEANS? Well, unless someone wants to offer another explanation.... An unknown someone who posts at pattygriffin.net apparently purchased a bootleg copy of Impossible Dream that was being offered on eBay, so one possibility is that it's being circulated. Kaycee973@aol.com wrote: is there anyone out there that is willing to tell us where they were able to hear all these songs?? to say i am green with jealousy is an understatement! ~kim I wish you could see me when I am flying in my dreams.. the way I laugh there way up high.. they way I look, when I fly.... THE WAY I LAUGH ...THE WAY I FLY.... *patty griffin, chief Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:12:58 -0500 From: "Jim Murphy" Subject: MM: Darcie Miner Hey everyone, just to let you know that our own Darcie Miner will be co-headlining a show at "The Point" on Sunday April 4, 2004 at 7:00 PM The Point is one of the premier coffee house in the Country. Darcie will be there with "Common Rotation. So everyone in the Philadelphia area, please come out and see Darcie. Tickets are $10.00 thanks Murph - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of April Fritz Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:51 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: Politics and Art I am so sad to hear that Patty's new album is political. I love Patty's music and she has helped me get through many sad times. She was the first person I was able to listen to after I lost my own record deal. For a year afterward I couldn't even turn on the radio. One thing I love about her music is that she makes it so personal that I find many universal truths in her words and thus don't feel quite so alone. I'm not saying that artist don't have a right to use their platform to speak their minds politically it's just that for me politics is something that needs to be debated, to be talked about. Listening to politics in music is like listening to a sermon and if you don't agree with the premises there is nothing you can do but turn the person off. Further, at least for me, it has the effect of tainting the artists other work. I can't listen to them without thinking about how much I disagree with their politics. This happened to me with Kris Delmhorst. I refused to see her live show because I knew it would be littered with attacks against what I believe in politically and philosophically. I just wish with all my heart that these artists would leave the politics aside so that we can enjoy their art and feel the human connection with them. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Becca Jarry Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:09 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: MM: As cold as it gets I just read the review for Impossible Dream on the ATO records site and sure enough it does mention some political flavor to the album. No doubt Patty is speaking her mind through the music and this song is meant for Bush. Pretty cool. Becca _________________________________________________________________ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:52:58 -0500 From: "Jim Murphy" Subject: RE: MM: re: WILL ANY ONE SPILL THE BEANS? Yes, actually two someone's who are a member on the other site did purchases and advanced copy of the cd off of ebay. But there are others who were able to obtain the advanced CD legally through friend of the record company, DJ's or record distributors. If you know someone in the business, it doesn't hurt to ask. Are there bootlegs copies out there yes, there always is. Murph - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jon Crouse Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:07 PM To: mad-mission@smoe.org Subject: Re: MM: re: WILL ANY ONE SPILL THE BEANS? Well, unless someone wants to offer another explanation.... An unknown someone who posts at pattygriffin.net apparently purchased a bootleg copy of Impossible Dream that was being offered on eBay, so one possibility is that it's being circulated. Kaycee973@aol.com wrote: is there anyone out there that is willing to tell us where they were able to hear all these songs?? to say i am green with jealousy is an understatement! ~kim I wish you could see me when I am flying in my dreams.. the way I laugh there way up high.. they way I look, when I fly.... THE WAY I LAUGH ...THE WAY I FLY.... *patty griffin, chief Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:57:25 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: MM: All please read. VERY important MM list message! Hi all :-) I haven't had the time to read what's been transpiring on this list the last day or two. However, something is happening that MUST be addressed or we will have MAJOR problems at smoe.org, not just this Mad-Mission mailing list. Some AOL foik on this list have been reporting this list as spam to AOL. One in particular has reported it about 40 times. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT! This list is NOT spam! It's something you subscribed to, whether it's what you expected or not. If you want off, just email me asking for instructions on how to unsubscribe or how to switch to a lesser volume version of the list (including a VERY low volume news-only version) and I will send you a private email with clear instructions on what to do. If AOLers continue to report list mail as spam to AOL, *ALL* smoe.org emails from *ALL* mailing lists hosted by smoe.org would get blocked by AOL and that means *thousands* of subscribers on well over 100 different mailing lists. (and it's a MAJOR pain in the you-know-what to rectify this situation with AOL, not to mention the problem we'd have behind the scenes with all those blocked emails being sent back to the list owners...you think it's a pain with 40 emails a day on this list, just think of the thousands of blocked emails that would be returned to my inbox.) So please, I implore you, if you are having problems with the lists' volume, just ask me for help. Thanks :-) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:10:45 -0800 From: "john meadows" Subject: MM: Jeeze I don't post much, but I read the posts here. I'm on the digest version. Two things. 1. Several people have asked where people are getting this new song, and no one has yet to answer them whatsoever. Can someone enlighten the rest of us who don't know? 2. To reply to a post with a 4 or 5 line response, or even a much longer response is all fine and dandy. But when you simply hit "reply", you also send the entire message you're responding too. That, and perhaps several other people's responses to the same message, so that with your short response, you're actually sending a hundred line message. In the digest version of this list, it makes it very difficult to read the messages, since it's hard to tell where one post starts and another ends. It's called editing. It's not very hard, and saves a lot of bandwidth and squinting. Take the part of the post you want to respond to, highlight it, copy it, paste it into your message, and delete the rest. Sorry to sound pissy, but it really, really gets difficult to read. Here's an example. The response to this post is 6 lines long. The rest is 4 other previous responses, plus all the BS that some mailers add to the bottom of a post. I've removed the name of the "offender". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 From: Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art You were right on target, Roy. Aside from the fact that some of the finest and most lasting musical expression of the past sixty years has dealt squarely with politics and war, it's self- absorbed to think valid artistic expressions are produced with the viewer's appetites in mind. Perhaps this album isn't written with you in mind, April - but if it's honest, than it's sure to speak to someone else. To say it's artistically invalid work because it wasn't crafted to delight your topical fancy is not reasonable criticism. Any respectable artist would tell you to sod off. On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:37:01 -0800, Roy Larsen wrote > "....there is sadly no possibility > of "interesting discussion" > (as you put it) with you". > > Sadly April, it appears not....... > > Peace (if that's not too political) > Roy > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "April Fritz" > To: "'Roy Larsen'" , > Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:55:07 -0800 > > Roy - if you cannot see the difference between the lyrics to "As Cold as it > Gets" and "Tony" or "Poor Man's House" then there is sadly no possibility of > "interesting discussion" (as you put it) with you. Perhaps you mis-spoke. > If the song were about the "human condition" of war that would be one thing > but it seems to me to be more of an attack on one individual. > > For the record, I am exposed to distasteful ideas and emotions on a daily > basis. The silliness of Patty's lyric only saddens me. I think it is > beneath her. Hopefully the whole album will not be this trite. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Larsen [mailto:roy_larsen@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 6:37 PM > To: april@aprilville.com; mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: RE: MM: Politics and Art > > I would suggest that the whole purpose of art is to evoke emotions. Those > emotions could be associated with personal relationships, such as finding or > > losing love, as well as the human condition, such as poverty, war, and > injustice. Poor Man's House, Shells, and Tony would be classic examples > from Patty on the human condition. And of course, the problems, causes, and > > solutions to the human condition are by their nature political. > > It's true that you can't debate with a painting, or a song, or a sculpture, > but art can certainly spur a lot of interesting discussion between open > minded folks. I believe this is the reason good art exists. But I also > feel that for one to appreciate Art as an expression, one must be willing to > > be exposed to ideas and emotions that are distasteful. I would hope that a > few distasteful experiences with an artist would not invalidate his/her > whole body of work if it brought much more pleasure and comfort than not. > > Roy > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "April Fritz" > To: > Subject: MM: Politics and Art > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:51:23 -0800 > > I am so sad to hear that Patty's new album is political. I love Patty's > music and she has helped me get through many sad times. She was the first > person I was able to listen to after I lost my own record deal. For a year > afterward I couldn't even turn on the radio. One thing I love about her > music is that she makes it so personal that I find many universal truths in > her words and thus don't feel quite so alone. I'm not saying that artist > don't have a right to use their platform to speak their minds politically > it's just that for me politics is something that needs to be debated, to be > talked about. Listening to politics in music is like listening to a sermon > and if you don't agree with the premises there is nothing you can do but > turn the person off. Further, at least for me, it has the effect of > tainting the artists other work. I can't listen to them without thinking > about how much I disagree with their politics. This happened to me with > Kris Delmhorst. I refused to see her live show because I knew it would be > littered with attacks against what I believe in politically and > philosophically. I just wish with all my heart that these artists would > leave the politics aside so that we can enjoy their art and feel the human > connection with them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mad-mission@smoe.org [mailto:owner-mad-mission@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Becca Jarry > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 4:09 PM > To: mad-mission@smoe.org > Subject: MM: As cold as it gets > > I just read the review for Impossible Dream on the ATO records site and sure > > enough it does mention some political flavor to the album. No doubt Patty > is speaking her mind through the music and this song is meant for Bush. > Pretty cool. > Becca > > _________________________________________________________________ > Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial > offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. > http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx > > _________________________________________________________________ > Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage  4 plans to choose from! > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ - - -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See what I mean? Imagine this repeated several times in a digest. Ok. That's all. Do as you will..... john in sumner wa ------------------------------ End of mad-mission-digest V8 #40 ********************************